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AlleyCat
2025-02-22 23:27:39 UTC
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"In five years, scientists predict we will have the 1st ice-free Arctic."

- John Kerry in 2009

Hey Lurch... it's 2025.

Stillll no ice-free Arctic!

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February:

US Cold Records Mount

Relentless Snow Slams Turkey

Big Accumulations Across Northern India

Japan Buried

Deep Freeze Grips Central Europe

Long-Standing Records Fall Across America

One Of Antarctica's Earliest -60c's On Record

Record Cold Czech Republic

Northern Hemisphere Snow Above Average

Japan's Resorts At 20+ Feet

Antarctica Nears -60c

Cold Records Begin Falling Across U.S.

Canada Breaks Long-Standing Benchmarks

Montreal's Historic Snowfall

Australia Cools

Drop In Albedo Hunga Tonga Hunga Hai"apai Causing Warming?

"Life-Threatening Cold" Enters The U.S.

Record February Cold Grips Australia

Poland To -41.1c (-42f)

Vostok At -57.4c (-71.3f)

Orilla On Brink Of Historic Snowfall Record

Japan's Snow Continues To Impress

Antarctica At -55.1c (-67.2f)

The Climate Racket Is Collapsing

Big Gains On Greenland

Antarctic Below -50c (-58f)

Records Fall Across The Northwest

Record Snow Destroys Japan's Apple Orchards

Cold Sends Romania's Gas Prices Soaring

"The Freezer Door Is About To Be Opened (Again!)"

Saudi Arabia's Rare Freeze

Japan's Record Snow Turns Deadly

America's Coldest January Since 1988

Record Uptick In Northern Hemisphere Snow Extent

Snow Records Continue To Fall Across Japan

Intense Freeze Sweeps S. Korea

MP's Rare Chill

Turkey's Record Gas Consumption Amid Big Freeze

Record Cold Grips B.C.

Arctic Blast To Wallop The U.S.

Heavy Snow Hits Iran

Himachal Pradesh Suffers Intense Lows/Snows

Rare Low-Elevation Flurries In Taiwan

Japan Ski Resort Surpasses 20 Feet

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovery: Climate Models In Crisis

Concordia At -48.5c (-55.3f)

Arctic Outbreak Round Two

New Nature Study: No Slow Down In Amoc

NOAA Data Practices Investigated

Global Temperatures Cool Significantly In January

Record Snows Persist In Japan

No Sea-Level Rise Since 1800s

Blizzards On Sakhalin

Finland Nears -40c (-40f)

Record February Cold Threatens Northern China

All-Time Snow Totals Sweep Japan

4 Feet In 3 Days Buries The Alps

Stable Temperatures In Greenland, Study Finds

Arctic Blast To Slam The U.S.

Sakhalin Blizzards

Scientists Say Global Warming Could Cool The UK

Snow In Japan Exceeds 17 Feet

Another "Polar Express" Looms For The U.S.

Cold Chokes Spanish Vegetables

NASA Removes Past Temperature Data
Alan
2025-02-22 23:36:33 UTC
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Post by AlleyCat
"In five years, scientists predict we will have the 1st ice-free Arctic."
- John Kerry in 2009
Hey Lurch... it's 2025.
Stillll no ice-free Arctic!
But the unmistakable trend is still down...

<https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/?intent=121>
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 00:27:24 UTC
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Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
"In five years, scientists predict we will have the 1st ice-free Arctic."
- John Kerry in 2009
Hey Lurch... it's 2025.
Stillll no ice-free Arctic!
But the unmistakable trend is still down...
<https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/?intent=121>
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Alan
2025-02-23 00:49:55 UTC
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Post by Mercy-a-lago
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:36:33 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
"In five years, scientists predict we will have the 1st ice-free Arctic."
- John Kerry in 2009
Hey Lurch... it's 2025.
Stillll no ice-free Arctic!
But the unmistakable trend is still down...
<https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/?intent=121>
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
So you admit it's happening.

Good.

That is progress... ...for you.
AlleyCat
2025-02-23 01:12:56 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:49:55 -0800, Alan says...
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Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
So you admit it's happening.
No... he's trolling the fuck out of you and you fell for it.


Tanker stuck in Polar Ice. Polar Bear trying to climb up!
https://x.com/i/status/1604916489982967808


BREAKING: POLAR BEARS GOING EXTINCT!


A Canadian freighter with 17 people on board is stuck off the shores of Buffalo. The 663 foot Manitoulin has been stuck for several days with multiple attempts from icebreakers to clear the path to
no avail. - Jan. 24
https://x.com/i/status/1883246984808841629
https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/freighter-freed-from-ice-on-frozen-lake-erie/1737976


GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING! GLOBAL WARMING!
https://x.com/i/status/1892531566854672500
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 18:43:05 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 19:12:56 -0600
Post by AlleyCat
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:49:55 -0800, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
So you admit it's happening.
No... he's trolling the fuck out of you and you fell for it.
Ssshhh....

;-)
AlleyCat
2025-02-24 01:46:20 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 11:43:05 -0700, Mercy-a-lago says...
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Post by AlleyCat
No... he's trolling the fuck out of you and you fell for it.
Ssshhh....
OK.

=====

February:

US Cold Records Mount

Relentless Snow Slams Turkey

Big Accumulations Across Northern India

Japan Buried

Deep Freeze Grips Central Europe

Long-Standing Records Fall Across America

One Of Antarctica's Earliest -60c's On Record

Record Cold Czech Republic

Northern Hemisphere Snow Above Average

Japan's Resorts At 20+ Feet

Antarctica Nears -60c

Cold Records Begin Falling Across U.S.

Canada Breaks Long-Standing Benchmarks

Montreal's Historic Snowfall

Australia Cools

Drop In Albedo Hunga Tonga Hunga Hai"apai Causing Warming?

"Life-Threatening Cold" Enters The U.S.

Record February Cold Grips Australia

Poland To -41.1c (-42f)

Vostok At -57.4c (-71.3f)

Orilla On Brink Of Historic Snowfall Record

Japan's Snow Continues To Impress

Antarctica At -55.1c (-67.2f)

The Climate Racket Is Collapsing

Big Gains On Greenland

Antarctic Below -50c (-58f)

Records Fall Across The Northwest

Record Snow Destroys Japan's Apple Orchards

Cold Sends Romania's Gas Prices Soaring

"The Freezer Door Is About To Be Opened (Again!)"

Saudi Arabia's Rare Freeze

Japan's Record Snow Turns Deadly

America's Coldest January Since 1988

Record Uptick In Northern Hemisphere Snow Extent

Snow Records Continue To Fall Across Japan

Intense Freeze Sweeps S. Korea

MP's Rare Chill

Turkey's Record Gas Consumption Amid Big Freeze

Record Cold Grips B.C.

Arctic Blast To Wallop The U.S.

Heavy Snow Hits Iran

Himachal Pradesh Suffers Intense Lows/Snows

Rare Low-Elevation Flurries In Taiwan

Japan Ski Resort Surpasses 20 Feet

Antarctic Sea Ice Recovery: Climate Models In Crisis

Concordia At -48.5c (-55.3f)

Arctic Outbreak Round Two

New Nature Study: No Slow Down In Amoc

NOAA Data Practices Investigated

Global Temperatures Cool Significantly In January

Record Snows Persist In Japan

No Sea-Level Rise Since 1800s

Blizzards On Sakhalin

Finland Nears -40c (-40f)

Record February Cold Threatens Northern China

All-Time Snow Totals Sweep Japan

4 Feet In 3 Days Buries The Alps

Stable Temperatures In Greenland, Study Finds

Arctic Blast To Slam The U.S.

Sakhalin Blizzards

Scientists Say Global Warming Could Cool The UK

Snow In Japan Exceeds 17 Feet

Another "Polar Express" Looms For The U.S.

Cold Chokes Spanish Vegetables

NASA Removes Past Temperature Data
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 18:33:45 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:49:55 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:36:33 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
"In five years, scientists predict we will have the 1st ice-free Arctic."
- John Kerry in 2009
Hey Lurch... it's 2025.
Stillll no ice-free Arctic!
But the unmistakable trend is still down...
<https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/?intent=121>
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
So you admit it's happening.
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Alan
2025-02-23 18:53:38 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:49:55 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:36:33 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
"In five years, scientists predict we will have the 1st ice-free Arctic."
- John Kerry in 2009
Hey Lurch... it's 2025.
Stillll no ice-free Arctic!
But the unmistakable trend is still down...
<https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/arctic-sea-ice/?intent=121>
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
So you admit it's happening.
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
First of all, let's be clear:

Are you admitting that it is happening?

Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage" is if the
Arctic gets to ice-free.
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 19:47:18 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:53:38 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Are you admitting that it is happening?
Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage" is if
the Arctic gets to ice-free.
Which has happened, due to jet stream perturbations.

https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today

In the Antarctic, daily sea ice extent fell below the long-term average
after a brief period of above-average daily extents, ending the month
just above the lowest 25 percent of ice extents for the day.
Alan
2025-02-23 20:26:50 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:53:38 -0800
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Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Are you admitting that it is happening?
Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage" is if
the Arctic gets to ice-free.
Which has happened, due to jet stream perturbations.
Name a SINGLE TIME that ANY PASSAGE through the Arctic has been ice free.
Post by Mercy-a-lago
https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today
In the Antarctic, daily sea ice extent fell below the long-term average
after a brief period of above-average daily extents, ending the month
just above the lowest 25 percent of ice extents for the day.
Why did you just try to change the subject?
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 21:33:05 UTC
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Post by Mercy-a-lago
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:53:38 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Are you admitting that it is happening?
Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage" is if
the Arctic gets to ice-free.
Which has happened, due to jet stream perturbations.
Name a SINGLE TIME that ANY PASSAGE through the Arctic has been ice free.
That's your necessity for "easier navigation and passage" - not mine.
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Post by Mercy-a-lago
https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today
In the Antarctic, daily sea ice extent fell below the long-term
average after a brief period of above-average daily extents, ending
the month just above the lowest 25 percent of ice extents for the
day.
Why did you just try to change the subject?
Why did you just ignore the jet stream's DOMINANT role in this anomalous
high latitudinal warming?

We all know why, you just need to say it.
Alan
2025-02-23 22:03:11 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:53:38 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Are you admitting that it is happening?
Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage" is if
the Arctic gets to ice-free.
Which has happened, due to jet stream perturbations.
Name a SINGLE TIME that ANY PASSAGE through the Arctic has been ice free.
That's your necessity for "easier navigation and passage" - not mine.
You claimed the the Arctic being "ice-free" "has happened".

Clue time: it hasn't.
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 22:15:19 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:26:50 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:53:38 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Are you admitting that it is happening?
Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage" is
if the Arctic gets to ice-free.
Which has happened, due to jet stream perturbations.
Name a SINGLE TIME that ANY PASSAGE through the Arctic has been ice free.
That's your necessity for "easier navigation and passage" - not mine.
You claimed the the Arctic being "ice-free" "has happened".
Clue time: it hasn't.
It's gone to as low as 25%, possibly less for a short time - close
enough.
Alan
2025-02-23 22:51:17 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:26:50 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:53:38 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Are you admitting that it is happening?
Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage" is
if the Arctic gets to ice-free.
Which has happened, due to jet stream perturbations.
Name a SINGLE TIME that ANY PASSAGE through the Arctic has been ice free.
That's your necessity for "easier navigation and passage" - not mine.
You claimed the the Arctic being "ice-free" "has happened".
Clue time: it hasn't.
It's gone to as low as 25%, possibly less for a short time - close
enough.
Not for navigation and passage it's not.

But moreover, the world isn't in desperate need of "navigation and
passage" through the Arctic.
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 23:12:34 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:26:50 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:53:38 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Are you admitting that it is happening?
Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage" is
if the Arctic gets to ice-free.
Which has happened, due to jet stream perturbations.
Name a SINGLE TIME that ANY PASSAGE through the Arctic has been ice free.
That's your necessity for "easier navigation and passage" - not mine.
You claimed the the Arctic being "ice-free" "has happened".
Clue time: it hasn't.
It's gone to as low as 25%, possibly less for a short time - close
enough.
Not for navigation and passage it's not.
Your polar navigation resume is where?
Post by Alan
But moreover, the world isn't in desperate need of "navigation and
passage" through the Arctic.
Why so expansive a metric as "the world"?

That's a strawman.
Alan
2025-02-23 23:19:57 UTC
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:26:50 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:53:38 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Are you admitting that it is happening?
Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage" is
if the Arctic gets to ice-free.
Which has happened, due to jet stream perturbations.
Name a SINGLE TIME that ANY PASSAGE through the Arctic has been ice free.
That's your necessity for "easier navigation and passage" - not mine.
You claimed the the Arctic being "ice-free" "has happened".
Clue time: it hasn't.
It's gone to as low as 25%, possibly less for a short time - close
enough.
Not for navigation and passage it's not.
Your polar navigation resume is where?
Commercial vessels cannot pass through the Arctic ice pack.

This is not highly specialized and/or secret knowledge.
Post by Mercy-a-lago
Post by Alan
But moreover, the world isn't in desperate need of "navigation and
passage" through the Arctic.
Why so expansive a metric as "the world"?
That's a strawman.
So who needs it?
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 23:31:01 UTC
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Post by Alan
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On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 12:26:50 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
On Sun, 23 Feb 2025 10:53:38 -0800
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Are you admitting that it is happening?
Because the only way you get "easier navigation and passage"
is if the Arctic gets to ice-free.
Which has happened, due to jet stream perturbations.
Name a SINGLE TIME that ANY PASSAGE through the Arctic has been ice free.
That's your necessity for "easier navigation and passage" - not mine.
You claimed the the Arctic being "ice-free" "has happened".
Clue time: it hasn't.
It's gone to as low as 25%, possibly less for a short time - close
enough.
Not for navigation and passage it's not.
Your polar navigation resume is where?
Commercial vessels cannot pass through the Arctic ice pack.
Why do you do this to yourself?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_shipping_routes

Arctic shipping routes are the maritime paths used by vessels to
navigate through parts or the entirety of the Arctic. There are three
main routes that connect the Atlantic and the Pacific oceans: the
Northeast Passage, the Northwest Passage, and the mostly unused
Transpolar Sea Route.[2] In addition, two other significant routes
exist: the Northern Sea Route, and the Arctic Bridge

The Northeast Passage (NEP) is relatively easier owing to lower overall
ice extent and open water in the Barents Sea. Unlike similar latitudes
in Alaska or in Canada, this area remains ice-free due to currents of
warm water from the Gulf Stream, feeding into the North Atlantic. For
both the NSR and NEP, in summer months the sea ice recedes more quickly
compared to the NWP area. This characteristic has become more notable
since the early 2000s due to successive low-records of ice age,
thickness and extension
Post by Alan
This is not highly specialized and/or secret knowledge.
And yet somehow you fell flat on your foolish face:

The economic viability of the Arctic routes does not only depend on
their time efficiency; as a review commissioned by the UK government
points out, there are many costs to be considered. Firstly, the review
notes that Russia imposes tariffs on the NSR, the most used shipping
route because of its favourable ice conditions, as opposed to Canada
that imposes no tariffs on the use of the NWP, which, however, has
worse ice conditions. The TSR can also be considered as an attractive
prospect in the future, if the Arctic sea ice recedes considerably.


https://arctic-council.org/news/types-of-ships-operating-in-the-arctic/

Fishing vessels in Arctic waters

Fishing vessels accounted for 729 ships in the Arctic Polar Code area
in 2022. The majority of these (77%) are vessels for catching fish
whose method is other than trawling, such as long liners, purse seiners
and others. Fish factory ships accounted for 20% of total fishing
vessels, which includes trawlers and vessels fitted out with a factory
for refrigerating, processing and possibly canning. Other less frequent
fishing vessels include fish carriers, fishery patrol vessels, fishery
research vessels and seal catchers.

Cargo ships in Arctic waters

Cargo ships accounted for 182 ships in the Arctic Polar Code area in 2022. The majority of these (82%) are general cargo ships with a single or multi deck for the carriage of various types of dry cargo, where cargo is loaded and unloaded through weather deck hatches. The second most common type were deck cargo ships (15%), which are vessels arranged for carrying unitized cargo on deck only. Just two cargo ships were classified as heavy load carriers, which are vessels able to carry heavy and/or outsized individual cargos.

Bulk Carriers in Arctic waters

Bulk carriers transport cargo in specially designated compartments. The three major bulk cargoes worldwide are iron ore, coal and grain.

There were 114 bulk carriers in the Arctic Polar Code area in 2022. The majority of bulk carriers (94%) were single deck cargo vessels with an arrangement of topside ballast tanks for the carriage of bulk dry cargo of a homogenous nature. Six bulk carriers were ore/oil carriers constructed for the alternative carriage of crude oil.

Cruise ships and tourism

Cruise ships are mainly used for tourism and typically embark on roundtrip voyages, stopping at various ports where passengers can take part in shore excursions. Cruise ships often enter the Arctic waters area several times each year. For example, in 2022, 78 cruise ships made 250 entries into the Arctic Polar Code area. Cruise ships accounted for five percent of unique ships in the Arctic Polar Code area in 2022.

Natural resources and ships in the Arctic
Natural resource exploration is one of the drivers for shipping in the Arctic. Ships involved in this work made up 18% of unique ships in the Arctic Polar Code area in 2022. This includes:

Bulk carriers, 114 ships
Chemical tankers, 55 ships
Oil product tankers, 51 ships
Offshore supply ships, 29 ships
Gas tankers, 26 ships
Crude oil tankers, 16 ships
Other ship types are also likely to support natural resource
exploration, including tugboats and icebreakers.
Post by Alan
Post by Mercy-a-lago
Post by Alan
But moreover, the world isn't in desperate need of "navigation and
passage" through the Arctic.
Why so expansive a metric as "the world"?
That's a strawman.
So who needs it?
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10584-023-03568-3

Declining sea ice has also increased the accessibility of marine
shipping routes (Smith and Stephenson 2013). Strengthened integration
between Arctic and global economies has also facilitated increased
vessel traffic for resource development (Larsen and Huskey 2015;
Brigham 2021). Together, these changes have created a metacoupled
Arctic that is highly interconnected with global systems

We now know that Arctic vessel traffic has been increasing in recent
years, with the number of ships operating in Arctic waters and the
total distance travelled growing by approximately 25% and 75%,
respectively, between 2013 and 2019 (PAME 2020).

AIS transponders are required on all passenger vessels, all cargo
vessels over 500 gross tons, and all vessels over 300 gross tons on an
international voyage (IMO 2002). When operational, AIS transponders
project signals at a maximum interval of every 2 min (and more
frequently when the vessel is underway). These signals are received by
other vessels, terrestrial receivers, and/or satellite-based receivers.
The higher resolution of the AIS data used in this analysis represents
an improvement upon previous studies that have analyzed ship locations
within sea ice which used imputed track lines between once-daily
locations (Pizzolato et al. 2016).

We repeated this process for all vessel types combined and also for
four vessel type subsets (cargo, tanker, fishing, and other vessels).
Following the methods of Kapsar et al. (2022b), we designated vessel
types using the two-digit code transmitted in static AIS transmission.
In this method, “Other” vessels include all vessels not explicitly
falling into one of the three types (cargo, fishing, tanker). The
“Other” designation thus includes research vessels, tugs, passenger
ships, search and rescue vessels, and ice breakers.
AlleyCat
2025-02-24 01:55:47 UTC
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Post by Mercy-a-lago
That's your necessity for "easier navigation and passage" - not mine.
You claimed the the Arctic being "ice-free" "has happened".
Clue time: it hasn't.
"The Arctic was last ice-free in summer about 2.6 million years ago, during a period that is often studied to understand future climate scenarios."

"Arctic ice has fluctuated over geologic time, and there have been periodic examples of a completely ice-free Arctic over the last 350,000 years."

"Plankton evidence reveals a seasonally ice-free ocean during the Last Interglacial"

"A subpolar species associated with Atlantic water expanded far into the Arctic Ocean during the Last Interglacial, analysis of microfossil content of sediment cores reveals. This implies that
summers in the Arctic were ice free during this period. The findings are published in Nature Geoscience."

"The last time the Arctic ice caps completely melted was around 125,000 years ago during the Eemian interglacial period."

LOL

When "peer-reviewed" papers, authors and science articles can't agree, why should we believe those who write them?

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February:

US Cold Records Mount

Relentless Snow Slams Turkey

Big Accumulations Across Northern India

Japan Buried

Deep Freeze Grips Central Europe

Long-Standing Records Fall Across America

One Of Antarctica's Earliest -60c's On Record

Record Cold Czech Republic

Northern Hemisphere Snow Above Average

Japan's Resorts At 20+ Feet

Antarctica Nears -60c

Cold Records Begin Falling Across U.S.

Canada Breaks Long-Standing Benchmarks

Montreal's Historic Snowfall

Australia Cools

Drop In Albedo Hunga Tonga Hunga Hai"apai Causing Warming?

"Life-Threatening Cold" Enters The U.S.

Record February Cold Grips Australia

Poland To -41.1c (-42f)

Vostok At -57.4c (-71.3f)

Orilla On Brink Of Historic Snowfall Record

Japan's Snow Continues To Impress

Antarctica At -55.1c (-67.2f)

The Climate Racket Is Collapsing

Big Gains On Greenland

Antarctic Below -50c (-58f)

Records Fall Across The Northwest

Record Snow Destroys Japan's Apple Orchards

Cold Sends Romania's Gas Prices Soaring

"The Freezer Door Is About To Be Opened (Again!)"

Saudi Arabia's Rare Freeze

Japan's Record Snow Turns Deadly

America's Coldest January Since 1988

Record Uptick In Northern Hemisphere Snow Extent

Snow Records Continue To Fall Across Japan

Intense Freeze Sweeps S. Korea

MP's Rare Chill

Turkey's Record Gas Consumption Amid Big Freeze

Record Cold Grips B.C.

Arctic Blast To Wallop The U.S.

Heavy Snow Hits Iran

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Japan Ski Resort Surpasses 20 Feet

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NOAA Data Practices Investigated

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Cold Chokes Spanish Vegetables

NASA Removes Past Temperature Data

Kevin
2025-02-23 04:58:09 UTC
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Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Personally I like the massive hurricanes, tornadoes and floods devistating
the Trump supporting red shithole states and watching their insurance rates
soar if they can get insurance at all.

What have you against watching Americans suffer?
w***@npr.org
2025-02-23 08:30:03 UTC
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What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Personally I am a homosexual.
Seek mental health help.
Rudy Canoza
2025-02-23 15:01:07 UTC
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Personally I am a homosexual.
Common knowledge.
-hh
2025-02-23 10:57:03 UTC
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Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Personally I like the massive hurricanes, tornadoes and floods devistating
the Trump supporting red shithole states and watching their insurance rates
soar if they can get insurance at all.
Indeed. The population flight out of Texas & Florida is already
underway, as evidenced by record-high listings of homes for sale:


"A historically high number of new homes are up for sale in the US
South, thanks largely to Florida and Texas."
[...]
"New state regulations this year that were a response to that collapse
require condominium associations to regularly appraise the safety of
their buildings, often collecting more money for maintenance and repairs
as a result.

Add to that higher homeowners insurance premiums as many insurers
abandon the state and condo owners "may not be able to pay this extra
additional amount, and they have to give it up," Yun said."

<https://finance.yahoo.com/news/unsold-new-homes-just-hit-an-all-time-high-in-the-us-south-heres-why-080014698.html>


When just your FL P&C insurance cost is 150% higher than what it was in
2019, now costing 2%/year of your home's value... If you can get it...


-hh
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 19:35:47 UTC
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Post by Mercy-a-lago
What do you have against easier navigation and passage?
Personally I like the massive hurricanes, tornadoes and floods
devistating the Trump supporting red shithole states and watching
their insurance rates soar if they can get insurance at all.
What have you against watching Americans suffer?
You need to be run through a DR wood chipper.
AlleyCat
2025-02-23 00:46:56 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:36:33 -0800, Alan says...
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"In five years, scientists predict we will have the 1st ice-free Arctic."
- John Kerry in 2009
Hey Lurch... it's 2025.
Stillll no ice-free Arctic!
But the unmistakable trend is still down...
Nope... going back up.

With another month left of Arctic sea ice growth, extent is already higher than the winter peak for six other years. The Climate Scam is collapsing.

ftp://osisaf.met.no/prod_test/ice/index/v2p2/nh/osisaf_nh_sie_daily.txt

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGWZhCfbIAAFcm5?format=png&name=large

Arctic sea ice extent is now officially the highest it has been in 18-years. Volume (unadjusted) is higher than the 2004-13 mean. Trend since 2003 is negligible, but since 1979 is down. You'd think
we'd hear about how great this is, but not one peep from scientists or the press.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH8xJVpXEAQOxx0?format=jpg&name=large


Your long-term trends are bullshit. If I used YOUR bullshit trend logic, I could say Earth is getting colder, faggot freak.

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What do you think the "trend" was before the Little Ice Age?

What do you think the "trend" was in the years in red?

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THIS Is Why Chicken Shit Chicken Littles Screech About Climate And Weather And Global Warbling:

The UN Makes it Official: Global Warming Hysteria Is All About Redistributing Wealth

UN IPCC Official Admits 'We Redistribute World's Wealth By Climate Policy'

Global Study Reveals Wealth Redistribution From Blue-Carbon Ecosystems

Failed Climate Policies Are About Wealth Redistribution

"We Redistribute De Facto The World's Wealth By Climate Policy."

How Global Warming Has Made The Rich Richer
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20190502-how-global-warming-has-made-the-rich-richer

The U.N.'s Global Warming War On Capitalism: An Important History Lesson
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2013/01/22/the-u-n-s-global-warming-war-on-capitalism-an-important-history-lesson-2/?sh=4f89a2d429be

The Doha Wealth Redistribution Process Moves On
https://townhall.com/columnists/davidrothbard/2012/12/14/the-doha-wealth-redistribution-process-moves-on-n1465410

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"There is no doubt, that we need to have a complete transformation... the transformation of the economy, and that includes, of course, the private sector."

A carbon tax will change NOTHING, other than the wealth of politicians and countries who beg us for money. THAT was the purpose of the Paris Accord... the ONLY purpose.

Funny... when the government no longer pays for bogus money-grabbing data, the truth comes out.

"It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train running."


"And we're like... the world is going to end in 12 years if we don't address climate change..."

AOC's Top Aide Admits Green New Deal About The Economy, Not Climate
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aocs-top-aide-admits-green-new-deal-
about-the-economy-not-the-climate

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's chief of staff recently admitted that the Green New Deal was not conceived as an effort to deal with climate change, but instead a "how-do-you-change-the-entire
economy thing" -- a remark likely to fuel Republican claims that the deal is nothing more than a thinly veiled socialist takeover of the U.S. economy. "The interesting thing about the Green New Deal
is it wasn't originally a climate thing at all," Saikat Chakrabarti said in May, according to The Washington Post.

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UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The World's Economy
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used-
un-promote-economic-agenda/

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"Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of-
climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/

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U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to-
destroy-capitalism/

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Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-
admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

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United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to Destroy Capitalism
http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02-
27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE
Alan
2025-02-23 00:52:32 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 15:36:33 -0800, Alan says...
Post by Alan
Post by AlleyCat
"In five years, scientists predict we will have the 1st ice-free Arctic."
- John Kerry in 2009
Hey Lurch... it's 2025.
Stillll no ice-free Arctic!
But the unmistakable trend is still down...
Nope... going back up.
Nope.
Post by AlleyCat
With another month left of Arctic sea ice growth, extent is already
higher than the winter peak for six other years. The Climate Scam
is collapsing.
And lower than how many OTHER years?
Post by AlleyCat
ftp://osisaf.met.no/prod_test/ice/index/v2p2/nh/
osisaf_nh_sie_daily.txt
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GGWZhCfbIAAFcm5?format=png&name=large
Why don't you show ALL the years...

...rather than cherry pick?
Post by AlleyCat
Arctic sea ice extent is now officially the highest it has been in
18-years. Volume (unadjusted) is higher than the 2004-13 mean. Trend
since 2003 is negligible, but since 1979 is down. You'd think we'd
hear about how great this is, but not one peep from scientists or
the press.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FH8xJVpXEAQOxx0?format=jpg&name=large
That one doesn't even have data after 2021...
Mercy-a-lago
2025-02-23 18:39:22 UTC
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On Sat, 22 Feb 2025 16:52:32 -0800
Post by AlleyCat
Nope... going back up.
Nope.
Short term:



The Tonga eruption was an extraordinary and extremely rare natural event that caused the record warming of 2023.
00:00 Intro
00:23 Off-scale Warming
02:36 Uncharted Territory
05:53 The Little Boy Is Innocent
09:24 Sulfate Aerosols Are Not Responsible
10:45 CO₂ Increase Didn't Do It
11:39 Tonga Volcano Prime Suspect
15:40 Dismissing Natural Warming

https://judithcurry.com/2024/07/05/hunga-tonga-volcano-impact-on-record-warming/
Gar Henderson
2025-02-23 04:56:30 UTC
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Everything is a big conspiracee when you failed high school science class.
w***@npr.org
2025-02-23 08:36:55 UTC
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Post by Gar Henderson
Everything is a big conspiracee
when you failed high school english class.
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