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It WORKED!!! Scott Brown KILLED the ObamaCare BILL!!!!!!!
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1-20-2013
2010-01-21 03:05:55 UTC
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Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was hers
for the taking!!!!

Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!

And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the ObamaCare
bill!!!!!!

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYWQ5NjQxZmQxMjg=

What's Plan C? [Daniel Foster]

House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."

In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.

“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.

Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear to
happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said, adding:
“We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”

The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.

That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back pages
of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D

GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-21 04:01:00 UTC
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Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C? [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.

And you call that progress?
1-20-2013
2010-01-21 04:15:18 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C? [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
And you call that progress?
Meanwhile, the Party of Incompetence was unable to get anything
done...even though they had a filibuster-proof majority ;^D

Heckuva job, Obama! LOL!!!!!

GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pyjamarama
2010-01-21 04:17:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....

Are you that stupid?

Especially given the fact that government had a major (if not primary)
hand in "all current problems"...

Is there any aspect of their lives that liberals DON'T want to cede to
an all-powerful, nanny-state government?

Besides abortions and smoking lots of pot?
wy
2010-01-21 05:16:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems? You? Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP. What? Oh, you don't have
one? Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should. Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
Post by pyjamarama
Especially given the fact that government had a major (if not primary)
hand in "all current problems"...
No. It's called private health insurance and the fattening of America
that have conspired to increase problems and costs. Otherwise,
explain why health care costs per GDP is nearly twice that of most
other countries. What? Oh, you can't? So you're happy paying at
least twice the price for your life-preserving meds than anyone else
in the world. Cool.
Post by pyjamarama
Is there any aspect of their lives that liberals DON'T want to cede to
an all-powerful, nanny-state government?
Besides abortions and smoking lots of pot?
Yeah, like some chick you've dated hasn't had to do a number on
herself that you probably don't know about or you didn't ever get a
whiff of the demon weed. Mm-hm, yeah, sure. Hippokrit.
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-21 16:12:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems? You? Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP. What? Oh, you don't have
one? Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should. Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die. How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan that entails market solutions. Nothing will get through the
Dems Marxist plans because their solutions are government solutions.
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Especially given the fact that government had a major (if not primary)
hand in "all current problems"...
No. It's called private health insurance and the fattening of America
that have conspired to increase problems and costs. Otherwise,
explain why health care costs per GDP is nearly twice that of most
other countries. What? Oh, you can't? So you're happy paying at
least twice the price for your life-preserving meds than anyone else
in the world. Cool.
You obviously have do not understand the costs of the health care
industry.
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Is there any aspect of their lives that liberals DON'T want to cede to
an all-powerful, nanny-state government?
Besides abortions and smoking lots of pot?
Yeah, like some chick you've dated hasn't had to do a number on
herself that you probably don't know about or you didn't ever get a
whiff of the demon weed. Mm-hm, yeah, sure. Hippokrit.
You just want your girlfriend impregnated by your best friend have a
free abortion.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
wy
2010-01-21 18:42:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems?  You?  Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP.  What?  Oh, you don't have
one?  Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should.  Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die.  How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan  that entails market solutions.  Nothing will get through the
Dems Marxist plans because their solutions are government solutions.
And the CBO shot it down as being more expensive than what the Dems
are proposing.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Especially given the fact that government had a major (if not primary)
hand in "all current problems"...
No.  It's called private health insurance and the fattening of America
that have conspired to increase problems and costs.  Otherwise,
explain why health care costs per GDP is nearly twice that of most
other countries.  What?  Oh, you can't?  So you're happy paying at
least twice the price for your life-preserving meds than anyone else
in the world.  Cool.
You obviously have do not understand the costs of the health care
industry.
All you need to understand is how much the U.S. spends per GDP. That
says it all. And the U.S. is being gouged left, right and center and
any other way you want to look at it compared to other countries.
It's unsustainable, especially as the Baby Boomers begin to crowd the
system now and will keep it crowded for the next 20 years.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Is there any aspect of their lives that liberals DON'T want to cede to
an all-powerful, nanny-state government?
Besides abortions and smoking lots of pot?
Yeah, like some chick you've dated hasn't had to do a number on
herself that you probably don't know about or you didn't ever get a
whiff of the demon weed.  Mm-hm, yeah, sure.  Hippokrit.
You just want your girlfriend impregnated by your best friend have a
free abortion.
That's what all guys want. And that's what Scott Brown will want
after he's offered up his daughters to any takers. After all, he
supports Roe vs. Wade.
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-21 22:24:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems?  You?  Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP.  What?  Oh, you don't have
one?  Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should.  Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die.  How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan  that entails market solutions.  Nothing will get through the
Dems Marxist plans because their solutions are government solutions.
And the CBO shot it down as being more expensive than what the Dems
are proposing.
Without details? That's a pretty weak assumption.
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Especially given the fact that government had a major (if not primary)
hand in "all current problems"...
No.  It's called private health insurance and the fattening of America
that have conspired to increase problems and costs.  Otherwise,
explain why health care costs per GDP is nearly twice that of most
other countries.  What?  Oh, you can't?  So you're happy paying at
least twice the price for your life-preserving meds than anyone else
in the world.  Cool.
You obviously have do not understand the costs of the health care
industry.
All you need to understand is how much the U.S. spends per GDP. That
says it all. And the U.S. is being gouged left, right and center and
any other way you want to look at it compared to other countries.
It's unsustainable, especially as the Baby Boomers begin to crowd the
system now and will keep it crowded for the next 20 years.
We spend a high percentage of our GDP on health care costs, but the
dimwit Congress's do not address why those costs are high. They think
by the magic of legislation costs will go down. In order to lower
costs, Congress would have address every facet of the health care
industry not just insurance. And with all the mandates proposed in the
dimwitted Congressional bills, costs are sure to increase.
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Is there any aspect of their lives that liberals DON'T want to cede to
an all-powerful, nanny-state government?
Besides abortions and smoking lots of pot?
Yeah, like some chick you've dated hasn't had to do a number on
herself that you probably don't know about or you didn't ever get a
whiff of the demon weed.  Mm-hm, yeah, sure.  Hippokrit.
You just want your girlfriend impregnated by your best friend have a
free abortion.
That's what all guys want. And that's what Scott Brown will want
after he's offered up his daughters to any takers. After all, he
supports Roe vs. Wade.
I betcha John Edwards wished his mistress had a government provided
abortion.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
wy
2010-01-21 23:24:56 UTC
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Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems?  You?  Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP.  What?  Oh, you don't have
one?  Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should.  Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die.  How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan  that entails market solutions.  Nothing will get through the
Dems Marxist plans because their solutions are government solutions.
And the CBO shot it down as being more expensive than what the Dems
are proposing.
Without details? That's a pretty weak assumption.
Man, I'm so tired of having to always find these things for you right
wingnuts who are just too lazy to dig up the details yourself. It
only took me 2 seconds to do it. No wonder you guys are always so
paranoid over everything and living in a nightmare of your own
creation, you're so clued out as to what's going anywhere, including
your own country.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/congressional_budget_office_th.html

There. Happy?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Especially given the fact that government had a major (if not primary)
hand in "all current problems"...
No.  It's called private health insurance and the fattening of America
that have conspired to increase problems and costs.  Otherwise,
explain why health care costs per GDP is nearly twice that of most
other countries.  What?  Oh, you can't?  So you're happy paying at
least twice the price for your life-preserving meds than anyone else
in the world.  Cool.
You obviously have do not understand the costs of the health care
industry.
All you need to understand is how much the U.S. spends per GDP.  That
says it all.  And the U.S. is being gouged left, right and center and
any other way you want to look at it compared to other countries.
It's unsustainable, especially as the Baby Boomers begin to crowd the
system now and will keep it crowded for the next 20 years.
We spend a high percentage of our GDP on health care costs, but the
dimwit Congress's do not address why those costs are high.  They think
by the magic of legislation  costs will go down. In order to lower
costs, Congress would have address every facet of the health care
industry not just insurance. And with all the mandates proposed in the
dimwitted Congressional bills, costs are sure to increase.
They did, you just didn't read the bill. You only heard the parts
that Rush Limbaugh allowed you to hear, the distorted parts. In any
case, the bill as it's come to be is a behemoth of unwieldiness anyway
and probably won't save that much money over the next decade,
certainly not as much as in countries where they have a much more
streamlined and efficient approach to cutting all the fat while
keeping drug companies and other sordid interests at arm's length.
Why can they do it and the U.S. always feels so impotent about it?
Maybe part of the problem is the unworkable system of government. If
it were a parliamentary system, things would actually get done and
much more smartly.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Is there any aspect of their lives that liberals DON'T want to cede to
an all-powerful, nanny-state government?
Besides abortions and smoking lots of pot?
Yeah, like some chick you've dated hasn't had to do a number on
herself that you probably don't know about or you didn't ever get a
whiff of the demon weed.  Mm-hm, yeah, sure.  Hippokrit.
You just want your girlfriend impregnated by your best friend have a
free abortion.
That's what all guys want.  And that's what Scott Brown will want
after he's offered up his daughters to any takers.  After all, he
supports Roe vs. Wade.
I betcha John Edwards wished his mistress  had a government provided
abortion.
-
Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-22 16:26:52 UTC
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Post by wy
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Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems?  You?  Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP.  What?  Oh, you don't have
one?  Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should.  Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die.  How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan  that entails market solutions.  Nothing will get through the
Dems Marxist plans because their solutions are government solutions.
And the CBO shot it down as being more expensive than what the Dems
are proposing.
Without details? That's a pretty weak assumption.
Man, I'm so tired of having to always find these things for you right
wingnuts who are just too lazy to dig up the details yourself. It
only took me 2 seconds to do it. No wonder you guys are always so
paranoid over everything and living in a nightmare of your own
creation, you're so clued out as to what's going anywhere, including
your own country.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/congressional_budget_office_th.html
There. Happy?
Why should I?

You will notice your article was on last November. The below article
was in late December. Mine was more up to date.

The dimwit Congressional bills create dozens of new bureaucracies. It
is hard to imagine creating those new bureaucracies will save money.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/20/cbo-senate-health-wont-reduce-deficits-quite/

The Congressional Budget Office said Sunday that the Senate health
care bill would not reduce long-term federal deficits as much as
previously estimated, acknowledging that it made an "error" in its
original analysis.

CBO Director Doug Elmendorf wrote in a letter to Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid that while the correction has no bearing on
estimates for the impact of the bill over the next decade, it does
slightly reduce the amount of money the plan is expected to save for
the 2020-2029 period.

The original estimate said the health care overhaul would yield
deficit reductions worth about one-half percent of GDP -- the revision
put that figure between one-quarter and one-half percent.

He also wrote that savings from Medicare cuts and changes would
add up to about 10 to 15 percent per year in that period, compared
with the 15 percent savings in the original projection.

Elmendorf said the legislation should still reduce budget deficits
after 2019 -- but just not as much.

The CBO rarely makes such long-term estimates for proposed
legislation but in this case did it anyway. Senate Republicans swiftly
seized on the error, calling it "major." In correcting the mistake,
Elmendorf noted that projections for a bill 10-to-20 years down the
road can be highly unreliable.

"The imprecision of these calculations reflects the even greater
degree of uncertainty that attends to them," he wrote.
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Especially given the fact that government had a major (if not primary)
hand in "all current problems"...
No.  It's called private health insurance and the fattening of America
that have conspired to increase problems and costs.  Otherwise,
explain why health care costs per GDP is nearly twice that of most
other countries.  What?  Oh, you can't?  So you're happy paying at
least twice the price for your life-preserving meds than anyone else
in the world.  Cool.
You obviously have do not understand the costs of the health care
industry.
All you need to understand is how much the U.S. spends per GDP.  That
says it all.  And the U.S. is being gouged left, right and center and
any other way you want to look at it compared to other countries.
It's unsustainable, especially as the Baby Boomers begin to crowd the
system now and will keep it crowded for the next 20 years.
We spend a high percentage of our GDP on health care costs, but the
dimwit Congress's do not address why those costs are high.  They think
by the magic of legislation  costs will go down. In order to lower
costs, Congress would have address every facet of the health care
industry not just insurance. And with all the mandates proposed in the
dimwitted Congressional bills, costs are sure to increase.
They did, you just didn't read the bill. You only heard the parts
that Rush Limbaugh allowed you to hear, the distorted parts. In any
case, the bill as it's come to be is a behemoth of unwieldiness anyway
and probably won't save that much money over the next decade,
certainly not as much as in countries where they have a much more
streamlined and efficient approach to cutting all the fat while
keeping drug companies and other sordid interests at arm's length.
Why can they do it and the U.S. always feels so impotent about it?
Maybe part of the problem is the unworkable system of government. If
it were a parliamentary system, things would actually get done and
much more smartly.
Use logic. dimwitted Congressman tried to ram though these 2000 page
bills without knowing what's in it plus the 500 plus pages of costly
amendments. I bet Obama didn't read the bills. The dimwitted Congress
and the inept President said passing this legislation is urgent.
Urgent? It won't cover anyone's health care for four years. How stupid
is that?
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Is there any aspect of their lives that liberals DON'T want to cede to
an all-powerful, nanny-state government?
Besides abortions and smoking lots of pot?
Yeah, like some chick you've dated hasn't had to do a number on
herself that you probably don't know about or you didn't ever get a
whiff of the demon weed.  Mm-hm, yeah, sure.  Hippokrit.
You just want your girlfriend impregnated by your best friend have a
free abortion.
That's what all guys want.  And that's what Scott Brown will want
after he's offered up his daughters to any takers.  After all, he
supports Roe vs. Wade.
I betcha John Edwards wished his mistress  had a government provided
abortion.
-
Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
wy
2010-01-22 21:35:39 UTC
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Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems?  You?  Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP.  What?  Oh, you don't have
one?  Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should.  Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die.  How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan  that entails market solutions.  Nothing will get through the
Dems Marxist plans because their solutions are government solutions.
And the CBO shot it down as being more expensive than what the Dems
are proposing.
Without details? That's a pretty weak assumption.
Man, I'm so tired of having to always find these things for you right
wingnuts who are just too lazy to dig up the details yourself.  It
only took me 2 seconds to do it.  No wonder you guys are always so
paranoid over everything and living in a nightmare of your own
creation, you're so clued out as to what's going anywhere, including
your own country.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/congressional_bud...
There.  Happy?
Why should I?
You will notice your article was on last November. The below article
was in late December. Mine was more up to date.
The dimwit Congressional bills create dozens of new bureaucracies. It
is hard to imagine creating those new bureaucracies will save money.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/20/cbo-senate-health-wont-red...
    The Congressional Budget Office said Sunday that the Senate health
care bill would not reduce long-term federal deficits as much as
previously estimated, acknowledging that it made an "error" in its
original analysis.
    CBO Director Doug Elmendorf wrote in a letter to Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid that while the correction has no bearing on
estimates for the impact of the bill over the next decade, it does
slightly reduce the amount of money the plan is expected to save for
the 2020-2029 period.
    The original estimate said the health care overhaul would yield
deficit reductions worth about one-half percent of GDP -- the revision
put that figure between one-quarter and one-half percent.
    He also wrote that savings from Medicare cuts and changes would
add up to about 10 to 15 percent per year in that period, compared
with the 15 percent savings in the original projection.
    Elmendorf said the legislation should still reduce budget deficits
after 2019 -- but just not as much.
    The CBO rarely makes such long-term estimates for proposed
legislation but in this case did it anyway. Senate Republicans swiftly
seized on the error, calling it "major." In correcting the mistake,
Elmendorf noted that projections for a bill 10-to-20 years down the
road can be highly unreliable.
    "The imprecision of these calculations reflects the even greater
degree of uncertainty that attends to them," he wrote.
Well, if you had actually read both articles and understood basic
math, even with the discrepancy between what the CBO estimated before
and now, there's still a huge significant difference between both
plans, one that doesn't diminish the fact that the Democrat plan will
still save more money than the Republican plan while still covering 10
times as many people in the process. Go ahead and read it, I dare you
to get yerself ejakated. Relying solely on FOX News only makes you
stupid because they simply leave out all the parts that really make
the news story "fair and balanced".
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Especially given the fact that government had a major (if not primary)
hand in "all current problems"...
No.  It's called private health insurance and the fattening of America
that have conspired to increase problems and costs.  Otherwise,
explain why health care costs per GDP is nearly twice that of most
other countries.  What?  Oh, you can't?  So you're happy paying at
least twice the price for your life-preserving meds than anyone else
in the world.  Cool.
You obviously have do not understand the costs of the health care
industry.
All you need to understand is how much the U.S. spends per GDP.  That
says it all.  And the U.S. is being gouged left, right and center and
any other way you want to look at it compared to other countries.
It's unsustainable, especially as the Baby Boomers begin to crowd the
system now and will keep it crowded for the next 20 years.
We spend a high percentage of our GDP on health care costs, but the
dimwit Congress's do not address why those costs are high.  They think
by the magic of legislation  costs will go down. In order to lower
costs, Congress would have address every facet of the health care
industry not just insurance. And with all the mandates proposed in the
dimwitted Congressional bills, costs are sure to increase.
They did, you just didn't read the bill.  You only heard the parts
that Rush Limbaugh allowed you to hear, the distorted parts.  In any
case, the bill as it's come to be is a behemoth of unwieldiness anyway
and probably won't save that much money over the next decade,
certainly not as much as in countries where they have a much more
streamlined and efficient approach to cutting all the fat while
keeping drug companies and other sordid interests at arm's length.
Why can they do it and the U.S. always feels so impotent about it?
Maybe part of the problem is the unworkable system of government.  If
it were a parliamentary system, things would actually get done and
much more smartly.
Use logic. dimwitted Congressman tried to ram though these 2000 page
bills without knowing what's in it plus the 500 plus pages of costly
amendments. I bet Obama didn't read the bills. The dimwitted Congress
and the inept President said passing this legislation is urgent.
Urgent? It won't cover anyone's health care for four years. How stupid
is that?
Of course they know what's in it. What do you think they've been
discussing and hammering out all this time, how to make fruit juice?
And if I were Obama, I wouldn't read a word of that bill either until
it was absolutely finalized, but it doesn't mean he doesn't know how
it's turning out, what's in, what's changed, what's dumped. They all
know what's in it - except for Republicans who choose to steadfastly
stay out in the No cold. And that's why *you* are so clued out,
because you're a Republican who prefers the be in the No cold. Kind
of stupid to be out there freezing up your brain like that, don't ya
think?
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-23 02:20:36 UTC
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Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems?  You?  Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP.  What?  Oh, you don't have
one?  Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should.  Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die.  How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan  that entails market solutions.  Nothing will get through the
Dems Marxist plans because their solutions are government solutions.
And the CBO shot it down as being more expensive than what the Dems
are proposing.
Without details? That's a pretty weak assumption.
Man, I'm so tired of having to always find these things for you right
wingnuts who are just too lazy to dig up the details yourself.  It
only took me 2 seconds to do it.  No wonder you guys are always so
paranoid over everything and living in a nightmare of your own
creation, you're so clued out as to what's going anywhere, including
your own country.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/11/congressional_bud...
There.  Happy?
Why should I?
You will notice your article was on last November. The below article
was in late December. Mine was more up to date.
The dimwit Congressional bills create dozens of new bureaucracies. It
is hard to imagine creating those new bureaucracies will save money.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/20/cbo-senate-health-wont-red...
    The Congressional Budget Office said Sunday that the Senate health
care bill would not reduce long-term federal deficits as much as
previously estimated, acknowledging that it made an "error" in its
original analysis.
    CBO Director Doug Elmendorf wrote in a letter to Senate Majority
Leader Harry Reid that while the correction has no bearing on
estimates for the impact of the bill over the next decade, it does
slightly reduce the amount of money the plan is expected to save for
the 2020-2029 period.
    The original estimate said the health care overhaul would yield
deficit reductions worth about one-half percent of GDP -- the revision
put that figure between one-quarter and one-half percent.
    He also wrote that savings from Medicare cuts and changes would
add up to about 10 to 15 percent per year in that period, compared
with the 15 percent savings in the original projection.
    Elmendorf said the legislation should still reduce budget deficits
after 2019 -- but just not as much.
    The CBO rarely makes such long-term estimates for proposed
legislation but in this case did it anyway. Senate Republicans swiftly
seized on the error, calling it "major." In correcting the mistake,
Elmendorf noted that projections for a bill 10-to-20 years down the
road can be highly unreliable.
    "The imprecision of these calculations reflects the even greater
degree of uncertainty that attends to them," he wrote.
Well, if you had actually read both articles and understood basic
math, even with the discrepancy between what the CBO estimated before
and now, there's still a huge significant difference between both
plans, one that doesn't diminish the fact that the Democrat plan will
still save more money than the Republican plan while still covering 10
times as many people in the process. Go ahead and read it, I dare you
to get yerself ejakated. Relying solely on FOX News only makes you
stupid because they simply leave out all the parts that really make
the news story "fair and balanced".
The mere fact that the dimwitted Democratic bill is over 2000 plus the
pages for back room deals makes it suspicious. Obama in Ohio said one
of the goals of the heath insurance reform bill was to spotlight the
fine print insurance companies put in their contracts to deny claims.
If you don't think the Congressional bills are not loaded "fine print"
you are swimming in a pool of Kool Aid.

According to the Institute of Medicine, almost one-third of U.S.
health care spending goes to waste, duplicative tests, unnecessary or
ill-advised procedures, procedures to repair mistakes, billing and
administrative inefficiencies. American hospitals now have more
personnel working on billing and documentation than providing direct
patient care.
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Especially given the fact that government had a major (if not primary)
hand in "all current problems"...
No.  It's called private health insurance and the fattening of America
that have conspired to increase problems and costs.  Otherwise,
explain why health care costs per GDP is nearly twice that of most
other countries.  What?  Oh, you can't?  So you're happy paying at
least twice the price for your life-preserving meds than anyone else
in the world.  Cool.
You obviously have do not understand the costs of the health care
industry.
All you need to understand is how much the U.S. spends per GDP.  That
says it all.  And the U.S. is being gouged left, right and center and
any other way you want to look at it compared to other countries.
It's unsustainable, especially as the Baby Boomers begin to crowd the
system now and will keep it crowded for the next 20 years.
We spend a high percentage of our GDP on health care costs, but the
dimwit Congress's do not address why those costs are high.  They think
by the magic of legislation  costs will go down. In order to lower
costs, Congress would have address every facet of the health care
industry not just insurance. And with all the mandates proposed in the
dimwitted Congressional bills, costs are sure to increase.
They did, you just didn't read the bill.  You only heard the parts
that Rush Limbaugh allowed you to hear, the distorted parts.  In any
case, the bill as it's come to be is a behemoth of unwieldiness anyway
and probably won't save that much money over the next decade,
certainly not as much as in countries where they have a much more
streamlined and efficient approach to cutting all the fat while
keeping drug companies and other sordid interests at arm's length.
Why can they do it and the U.S. always feels so impotent about it?
Maybe part of the problem is the unworkable system of government.  If
it were a parliamentary system, things would actually get done and
much more smartly.
Use logic. dimwitted Congressman tried to ram though these 2000 page
bills without knowing what's in it plus the 500 plus pages of costly
amendments. I bet Obama didn't read the bills. The dimwitted Congress
and the inept President said passing this legislation is urgent.
Urgent? It won't cover anyone's health care for four years. How stupid
is that?
Of course they know what's in it. What do you think they've been
discussing and hammering out all this time, how to make fruit juice?
Of course? You cannot backup that claim. I see you are writing thing
off the cuff just as long it doesn't contradict Kool Aid drinkers'
talking point.
Post by wy
And if I were Obama, I wouldn't read a word of that bill either until
it was absolutely finalized, but it doesn't mean he doesn't know how
it's turning out, what's in, what's changed, what's dumped. They all
know what's in it - except for Republicans who choose to steadfastly
stay out in the No cold. And that's why *you* are so clued out,
because you're a Republican who prefers the be in the No cold. Kind
of stupid to be out there freezing up your brain like that, don't ya
think?
What happen to the C-SPAN coverage Obama promised. Everything is done
in secret. I really doubt if the dimwitted Congress puts a bill on
Obama's desk he will read it line by line as promised during his
campaign.


-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-21 23:53:32 UTC
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Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's
Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlN
DBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or
more      House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the
message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul
Grijalva told me in an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line
behind this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that
didn’t appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened,
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement
from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone,
underscores the degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure
out a way forward on health care in the wake of last night’s
loss. The unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to
support passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need to
find another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are
scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems? You? Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP. What? Oh, you don't have
one? Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should. Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die. How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan that entails market solutions.
What "market solutions" are you talking about?
wy
2010-01-22 00:16:07 UTC
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Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's
Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlN
DBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or
more      House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the
message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul
Grijalva told me in an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line
behind this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that
didn’t appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened,
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement
from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone,
underscores the degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure
out a way forward on health care in the wake of last night’s
loss. The unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to
support passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need to
find another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are
scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems?  You?  Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP.  What?  Oh, you don't have
one?  Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should.  Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die.  How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan  that entails market solutions.
     What "market solutions" are you talking about?
He doesn't know what market solutions he's talking about. It's market
solutions that got the country in the mess it's in.
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-22 16:26:52 UTC
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Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's
Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlN
DBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or
more      House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the
message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul
Grijalva told me in an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line
behind this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that
didn’t appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened,
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement
from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone,
underscores the degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure
out a way forward on health care in the wake of last night’s
loss. The unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to
support passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need to
find another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are
scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems?  You?  Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP.  What?  Oh, you don't have
one?  Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should.  Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die.  How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan  that entails market solutions.
     What "market solutions" are you talking about?
He doesn't know what market solutions he's talking about. It's market
solutions that got the country in the mess it's in.
You're such a Kool Aid Drinker.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-22 16:25:24 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's
Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlN
DBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or
more      House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the
message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul
Grijalva told me in an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line
behind this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that
didn’t appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened,
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement
from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone,
underscores the degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure
out a way forward on health care in the wake of last night’s
loss. The unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to
support passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need to
find another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are
scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems? You? Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP. What? Oh, you don't have
one? Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should. Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die. How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan that entails market solutions.
What "market solutions" are you talking about?
* Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance
across state lines.

* Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade
associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower
prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.

* Number three: give states the tools to create their own
innovative reforms that lower health care costs.

* Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health
care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that
physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine,
but because they are afraid of being sued.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-23 03:12:57 UTC
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Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy
Kennedy's
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?
q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlN
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
DBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or
more      House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the
message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul
Grijalva told me in an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line
behind this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that
didn’t appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened,
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement
from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone,
underscores the degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure
out a way forward on health care in the wake of last night’s
loss. The unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to
support passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need to
find another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are
scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems? You? Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP. What? Oh, you don't have
one? Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should. Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die. How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until then?
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have offered
a plan that entails market solutions.
What "market solutions" are you talking about?
* Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance
across state lines.
* Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade
associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower
prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
What good is health insurance if companies can just
cancel policies when people get sick?


"Blue Cross of California encouraged employees through performance
evaluations to cancel the health insurance policies of individuals
with expensive illnesses, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) charged at the
start of a congressional hearing today on the controversial practice
known as rescission."

"WellPoint's Blue Cross of California subsidiary and two other
insurers saved more than $300 million in medical claims by canceling
more than 20,000 sick policyholders over a five-year period, the House
committee said. When times are good, the insurance company is happy to
sign you up and take your money in the form of premiums," Stupak said.
"But when times are bad, and you are afflicted with cancer or some
other life-threatening disease, it is supposed to honor its
commitments and stand by you in your time of need,instead, some
insurance companies use a technicality to justify breaking its
promise, at a time when most patients are too weak to fight back."

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
* Number three: give states the tools to create their own
innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
Such as.....?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
* Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health
care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that
physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine,
but because they are afraid of being sued.
Weren't you one of the ones dismissing firearm fatalities
by claiming more people die from medical malpractice?
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-23 16:37:33 UTC
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Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy
Kennedy's
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican*
US
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?
q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlN
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
DBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or
more      House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance
that
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Post by wy
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Post by 1-20-2013
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the
message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul
Grijalva told me in an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line
behind this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that
didn’t appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly
listened,
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement
from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone,
underscores the degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure
out a way forward on health care in the wake of last night’s
loss. The unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to
support passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need to
find another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are
scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems? You? Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP. What? Oh, you don't have
one? Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should. Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major accident,
they will die. How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until
then?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have
offered
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
a plan that entails market solutions.
What "market solutions" are you talking about?
* Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance
across state lines.
* Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade
associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower
prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
What good is health insurance if companies can just
cancel policies when people get sick?
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% is not excessive in
the business world. When you are dealing with such a low margin, every
"T" has to be crossed and every "I" has to have a dot.
Post by 1-20-2013
"Blue Cross of California encouraged employees through performance
evaluations to cancel the health insurance policies of individuals
with expensive illnesses, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) charged at the
start of a congressional hearing today on the controversial practice
known as rescission."
"WellPoint's Blue Cross of California subsidiary and two other
insurers saved more than $300 million in medical claims by canceling
more than 20,000 sick policyholders over a five-year period, the House
committee said. When times are good, the insurance company is happy to
sign you up and take your money in the form of premiums," Stupak said.
"But when times are bad, and you are afflicted with cancer or some
other life-threatening disease, it is supposed to honor its
commitments and stand by you in your time of need,instead, some
insurance companies use a technicality to justify breaking its
promise, at a time when most patients are too weak to fight back."
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17
Health care insurance policies can be cancelled if there is a material
omission or misrepresentation made by a policyholder in the
application for coverage. Even if the policy is issued and premiums
are paid, the insurer can cancel the policy later if they discover
that the policyholder did not disclose significant medical history in
the application. The result is that the policy is canceled, the
insurer does not have to pay for the care that was rendered, and the
premiums paid on the policy are returned to the policyholder (minus a
reasonable cost associated with the period of time during which the
policy was in force).

Generally, state law and the policy itself provide that the insurer
has only 2 years from the date of application to cancel it. If
discovery of the omission or misrepresentation occurs after the
passage of the 2 year period of "contestability," the insurer is
generally out of luck and cannot cancel the policy. After that, an
insurer may only be able to contest a claim on the basis of
intentional fraud on the part of the policyholder.
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
* Number three: give states the tools to create their own
innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
Such as.....?
The feds cannot give a one size fits all to the country. States are
more in tune to their respective regions.
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
* Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health
care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that
physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine,
but because they are afraid of being sued.
The dimwitted Congressional bills do not address tort reform. Health
care costs are rising because doctors feel compelled to practice
defensive medicine.
Post by 1-20-2013
Weren't you one of the ones dismissing firearm fatalities
by claiming more people die from medical malpractice?
More people die from infections contracted in hospitals.

Nevada has a shortage of ob/gyns because of malpractice insurance
rates have priced them out of practice. Why has mal-practice insurance
gone up? Because it is just as costly to fight a frivolous lawsuit as
it is to fight a legitimate lawsuit. Tort reform was conspicuously
omitted in the dimwit Congressional bills.


-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-24 03:24:38 UTC
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Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy
Kennedy's
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Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican*
US
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Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?
q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlN
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DBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or
more      House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance
that
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the
message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul
Grijalva told me in an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line
behind this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that
didn’t appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly
listened,
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement
from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone,
underscores the degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure
out a way forward on health care in the wake of last night’s
loss. The unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to
support passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need to
find another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are
scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems? You? Let's hear your
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP. What? Oh, you don't have
one? Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should. Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major
accident,
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
they will die. How many have died this year so far? This health care
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President will
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until
then?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have
offered
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
a plan that entails market solutions.
What "market solutions" are you talking about?
* Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance
across state lines.
* Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade
associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower
prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
What good is health insurance if companies can just
cancel policies when people get sick?
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% is not excessive in
the business world. When you are dealing with such a low margin, every
"T" has to be crossed and every "I" has to have a dot.
And after all, what are the lives of sick people compared
to insurance company profits?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
"Blue Cross of California encouraged employees through performance
evaluations to cancel the health insurance policies of individuals
with expensive illnesses, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) charged at the
start of a congressional hearing today on the controversial practice
known as rescission."
"WellPoint's Blue Cross of California subsidiary and two other
insurers saved more than $300 million in medical claims by canceling
more than 20,000 sick policyholders over a five-year period, the House
committee said. When times are good, the insurance company is happy to
sign you up and take your money in the form of premiums," Stupak said.
"But when times are bad, and you are afflicted with cancer or some
other life-threatening disease, it is supposed to honor its
commitments and stand by you in your time of need,instead, some
insurance companies use a technicality to justify breaking its
promise, at a time when most patients are too weak to fight back."
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17
Health care insurance policies can be cancelled if there is a material
omission or misrepresentation made by a policyholder in the
application for coverage. Even if the policy is issued and premiums
are paid, the insurer can cancel the policy later if they discover
that the policyholder did not disclose significant medical history in
the application.
Yes, having acne as a teenager is a "significant medical
history" that justifies cancelling health care for cancer
patients, as we have seen.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/16/health.care.hearing/index.html
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
The result is that the policy is canceled, the
insurer does not have to pay for the care that was rendered, and the
premiums paid on the policy are returned to the policyholder (minus a
reasonable cost associated with the period of time during which the
policy was in force).
Show us where insurance companies have returned the
premiums to sick policyholders they have cancelled coverage
for.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Generally, state law and the policy itself provide that the insurer
has only 2 years from the date of application to cancel it. If
discovery of the omission or misrepresentation occurs after the
passage of the 2 year period of "contestability," the insurer is
generally out of luck and cannot cancel the policy. After that, an
insurer may only be able to contest a claim on the basis of
intentional fraud on the part of the policyholder.
OK, let's say insurance company X cancels the coverage
for a cancer patient because they misspelled the street they
used to live on. What then for the patient?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
* Number three: give states the tools to create their own
innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
Such as.....?
The feds cannot give a one size fits all to the country. States are
more in tune to their respective regions.
Nationwide companies are subject to nationwide regulation.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
* Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health
care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that
physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine,
but because they are afraid of being sued.
The dimwitted Congressional bills do not address tort reform.
“In closed-door talks, Mr. Obama has been making the case that
reducing malpractice lawsuits — a goal of many doctors and
Republicans — can help drive down health care costs, and should
be considered as part of any health care overhaul, according to
lawmakers of both parties, as well as A.M.A. officials.”
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/is-obama-serious-about-medical-
malpractice-reform.html
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Weren't you one of the ones dismissing firearm fatalities
by claiming more people die from medical malpractice?
More people die from infections contracted in hospitals.
But you don't want anyone suing over it.

Do explain.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Nevada has a shortage of ob/gyns because of malpractice insurance
rates have priced them out of practice. Why has mal-practice insurance
gone up? Because it is just as costly to fight a frivolous lawsuit as
it is to fight a legitimate lawsuit. Tort reform was conspicuously
omitted in the dimwit Congressional bills.
Wrong.


"FOR ALL AMERICANS, THE OBAMA PLAN: Orders immediate medical
malpractice reform projects that could help doctors focus on
putting their patients first, not on practicing defensive
medicine."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-25 00:53:12 UTC
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Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy
Kennedy's
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican*
US
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?
q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlN
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
DBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or
more      House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance
that
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the
message that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul
Grijalva told me in an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line
behind this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that
didn’t appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly
listened,
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative
statement
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
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from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone,
underscores the degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure
out a way forward on health care in the wake of last night’s
loss. The unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to
support passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need
to
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Post by 1-20-2013
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Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Post by 1-20-2013
find another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are
scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current
problems"
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Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
can be solved by government....
Yeah, well, who's gonna solve those problems? You? Let's hear
your
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by wy
brilliant plan to cut the cost of health care to the level that the
rest of the world is at with their GDP. What? Oh, you don't have
one? Oh, okay, so that'll just mean your premiums will inevitably
skyrocket at twice the rate they should. Better not get into any
major accidents or struck by any unforeseen health setbacks that
you're not covered for.
So if a person who has no health insurance and has a major
accident,
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
they will die. How many have died this year so far? This health
care
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
reform package proposed by the dimwit Congress and the President
will
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
not even cover the uninsured until 2014. How many will die until
then?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
"Skyrocketing" insurance premiums is not the sole cause of the
increasing costs of health care.
Post by wy
Post by pyjamarama
Are you that stupid?
Apparently you are since you can't come up with a solution.
GOP suggestion have fallen against deaf ears. Republicans have
offered
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
a plan that entails market solutions.
What "market solutions" are you talking about?
* Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance
across state lines.
* Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade
associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower
prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.
What good is health insurance if companies can just
cancel policies when people get sick?
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% is not excessive in
the business world. When you are dealing with such a low margin, every
"T" has to be crossed and every "I" has to have a dot.
And after all, what are the lives of sick people compared
to insurance company profits?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
"Blue Cross of California encouraged employees through performance
evaluations to cancel the health insurance policies of individuals
with expensive illnesses, Rep. Bart Stupak (D-Mich.) charged at the
start of a congressional hearing today on the controversial practice
known as rescission."
"WellPoint's Blue Cross of California subsidiary and two other
insurers saved more than $300 million in medical claims by canceling
more than 20,000 sick policyholders over a five-year period, the House
committee said. When times are good, the insurance company is happy to
sign you up and take your money in the form of premiums," Stupak said.
"But when times are bad, and you are afflicted with cancer or some
other life-threatening disease, it is supposed to honor its
commitments and stand by you in your time of need,instead, some
insurance companies use a technicality to justify breaking its
promise, at a time when most patients are too weak to fight back."
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/17/business/fi-rescind17
Health care insurance policies can be cancelled if there is a material
omission or misrepresentation made by a policyholder in the
application for coverage. Even if the policy is issued and premiums
are paid, the insurer can cancel the policy later if they discover
that the policyholder did not disclose significant medical history in
the application.
Yes, having acne as a teenager is a "significant medical
history" that justifies cancelling health care for cancer
patients, as we have seen.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/16/health.care.hearing/index.html
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
The result is that the policy is canceled, the
insurer does not have to pay for the care that was rendered, and the
premiums paid on the policy are returned to the policyholder (minus a
reasonable cost associated with the period of time during which the
policy was in force).
Show us where insurance companies have returned the
premiums to sick policyholders they have cancelled coverage
for.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Generally, state law and the policy itself provide that the insurer
has only 2 years from the date of application to cancel it. If
discovery of the omission or misrepresentation occurs after the
passage of the 2 year period of "contestability," the insurer is
generally out of luck and cannot cancel the policy. After that, an
insurer may only be able to contest a claim on the basis of
intentional fraud on the part of the policyholder.
OK, let's say insurance company X cancels the coverage
for a cancer patient because they misspelled the street they
used to live on. What then for the patient?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
* Number three: give states the tools to create their own
innovative reforms that lower health care costs.
Such as.....?
The feds cannot give a one size fits all to the country. States are
more in tune to their respective regions.
Nationwide companies are subject to nationwide regulation.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
* Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health
care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that
physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine,
but because they are afraid of being sued.
The dimwitted Congressional bills do not address tort reform.
“In closed-door talks, Mr. Obama has been making the case that
reducing malpractice lawsuits — a goal of many doctors and
Republicans — can help drive down health care costs, and should
be considered as part of any health care overhaul, according to
lawmakers of both parties, as well as A.M.A. officials.”
http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2009/06/is-obama-serious-about-medical-
malpractice-reform.html
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Weren't you one of the ones dismissing firearm fatalities
by claiming more people die from medical malpractice?
More people die from infections contracted in hospitals.
But you don't want anyone suing over it.
Do explain.
People can sue. Infections is not an insurance issue.It has to do with
hospital protocols.
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Nevada has a shortage of ob/gyns because of malpractice insurance
rates have priced them out of practice. Why has mal-practice insurance
gone up? Because it is just as costly to fight a frivolous lawsuit as
it is to fight a legitimate lawsuit. Tort reform was conspicuously
omitted in the dimwit Congressional bills.
Wrong.
Laurie Peel** of Raleigh, North Carolina, also lost her doctor. New to
the area and 11 weeks pregnant, she was experiencing complications.
She contacted ob-gyn offices for an appointment, but over and over was
told they were full and not taking new patients. She was happy when
Dr. John Schmitt took her in.

“In short, my relationship with Dr. Schmitt was everything one could
hope for in a doctor,” Peel says. “It was also a relationship both he
and all of his patients wanted very much to continue.”

But it didn’t. Dr. Schmitt had to leave his practice because his
insurance premiums jumped from $17,000 to $46,000 in one year. What he
had to pay to protect himself from the remote possibility of lawsuits
prevented the doctor from continuing the practice he had made his
life’s work. Today, Dr. Schmitt teaches at the University of Virginia.

Dr. Shelby Wilbourne** was in the same situation. His
medical-malpractice premium rose to $108,000 from $33,000 the previous
year. So he packed up his belongings, left his Nevada practice and
moved to a coastal town in Maine, where his insurance fees were lower.

“When I left Nevada, my patients, many of whom were with me for 12
years, were forced to find another ob-gyn amongst a dwindling
population of ob-gyns in Nevada,” he testified before the U.S.
Congress. “This is the real issue. Patients around the country are
losing access to good doctors and quality health care. The end game of
the current system is a society without enough doctors to care for its
citizens. We just cannot let this happen.”

Although the shortage of ob-gyns is a complex issue, many point to
rising malpractice insurance rates as the culprit. In the United
States, ob-gyns pay one of the highest liability insurance premiums of
any medical specialty, second only to neurosurgeons, and are sued an
average of three times during their careers.
Post by 1-20-2013
"FOR ALL AMERICANS, THE OBAMA PLAN: Orders immediate medical
malpractice reform projects that could help doctors focus on
putting their patients first, not on practicing defensive
medicine."
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/healthcare/
You link to what Obama's website says. It doesn't do any good unless
you link to the provisions stated in the Congressional bills.
I am not going to argue anecdotal evidence. The election sent a clear
message. They don't want ObamaCare. Gibbs on Fox News Sunday tried to
spin it their way. Obama went to Massachusetts to try to save his ass.
He failed. Brown campaigned saying he was the 41st vote against the
dimwitted Congress' health care bills. Voters want healthcare reform
but they do not want what the Three Stooges, Obama, Reid and Pelosi,
try to force upon America. The back room deals with Landrieu, Nelson
and the unions and added amendments was like putting a bomb vest on
the bill with the bill yelling "Allah Obama!"

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
s***@board.net
2010-01-24 03:30:00 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:37:33 -0800, Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
pyjamarama
2010-01-24 04:08:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by s***@board.net
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:37:33 -0800, Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
GARY ROSELLES (aka "smor…@board") left-wing sociopath and author of
the following “views” on race, homosexuality, death-threats and, lest
we forget, killing govt. officials and teenage girls:

"She (Katherine Harris) should be at least shot" -- Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/9448fa9e79d03c83?dmode=source

"I call Kathering[sic] Harris a nazi/fascist right wing ideologue
whore. 
What did we do to German nazis right wing whores?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

“May a real american someday have the honor of putting a bullet
between her eyes." -- Gary Roselles on B. Robertson's teenage
daughter.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/346a12114c9884ee?hl=en&dmode=source

What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (Distinguished African-
American Scholar, Thomas) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never
having 
worked a day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/652f875e53203e8e?hl=en&

"Both are traitors to their race" -- Race Purist Gary Roselles on the
importance 
of Race Loyalty

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/90646e9b4da37793

"You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking people
is going to gain anything with real minorities?" -- Gary Roselles,
Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/1b116fa0999182fb
(see header)

"Them brown niggers need to be taken out" -- Gary Roselles, Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/421a0f9263435ca4

"He (African-American scholar Thomas Sowell) goes against his own
kind." Race loyalist Gary Roselles, insisting once again that “them
blacks” should "stick 
to their own kind"

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/17fcf97abe2e4ee2?dmode=source

"His appointment will bridge nothing. It's apparant he's being an
uncle tom to appease voters." -- White trash, racist asshole Gary
Roselles 
slurs African-American Hero General Colin Powell

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/3bdf04c3586323ed?dmode=source
(see header

"Group Negro Poster Pyjamarma admits to being a coconut headed coon"
-- Gary Roselles, pathetic racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/d9ccfefc35328516?dmode=source

"Say "yes Massa", Uncle Tom." – Vile racist Gary Roselles pathetically
mocks and 
slurs prominent African-American man-of-the-cloth Jesse Lee
Peterson

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/ecc4d1339f7a1c79?hl=en&dmode=source

"How does a pampered, Stanford based, Scaife funded, Uncle Tom make
judgements on "the bottom", McFly?" -- Another day, another racial
slur on an educated, successful, independent black man from Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/67c195d05ad55e39?hl=en&dmode=source

"I consider hating RIGHT WING nazi/fascist fucks like you a God
inspired emotion."

"Hating RIGHT WINGERS is doing God's work, Dumbapropyl" -- Pure,
venomous hate-speech from "god-inspired" whackjob Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

Yeah, there's a real fucking credible authority----Hitchens a faggot
socialist." -- Gary Roselles, “f”-bomb droppin’ rabid homophobe

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.conservatism/msg/d2ab5e412f7ed8e7?dmode=source

"You're like that kid that has just been told that's not a hot-dog
he's sucking on" -- Gary Roselles, Pedophile, admits forcing oral
copulation on a child

http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fcf8198215ac03f2?as_ums­
s***@board.net
2010-01-24 15:40:09 UTC
Permalink
=============================================================================
On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:26:47 GMT, ***@yomomma'shouse (Way Back Jack) wrote:
(PAJAMA's supporter)

Back in the day, a woman who was not a ravishing beauty was accepted
if she was a great actress, e.g., Bette Davis and Joan Crawford. But
they at least looked like human beings. I tell ya, PBS had Whoops on
a nature show whose theme was protecting the orangutan. They had her
parked in the middle of orangs. You could distinguish between Whoopie
and the orangs because of the hair on their faces, but the facial
features were strikingly similar.
pyjamarama
2010-01-24 16:37:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by s***@board.net
========================================================================== ===
(PAJAMA's supporter)
Back in the day, a woman who was not a ravishing beauty was accepted
if she was a great actress, e.g., Bette Davis and Joan Crawford.  But
they at least looked like human beings.  I tell ya, PBS had Whoops on
a nature show whose theme was protecting the orangutan.  They had her
parked in the middle of orangs.  You could distinguish between Whoopie
and the orangs because of the hair on their faces, but the facial
features were strikingly similar.
s***@board.net
2010-01-24 22:17:06 UTC
Permalink
More proof you haven't any ability to actually think or create a
thought, have you PAJAMA

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
==================================================================================
Get over it.
WE who are living didnt do it.
Dont blame us.
The Irish and Italiansand Chinese GOT OVER discrimination...
and made a good life here.
Why not the blacks?
Something else is going on....like a LOW IQ and
NO work ethic.
love
hank
No work ethic in Africa either.
pyjamarama
2010-01-24 22:48:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by s***@board.net
More proof you haven't any ability to actually think or create a
thought, have you PAJAMA
BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
========================================================================== ========
Get over it.
WE who are living didnt do it.
Dont blame us.
The Irish and Italiansand Chinese GOT OVER discrimination...
and made a good life here.
Why not the blacks?
Something else is going on....like a LOW IQ and
NO work ethic.
love
hank
No work ethic in Africa either.
Some "original thoughts" by the ROSIELOON...

GARY ROSELLES (aka "smor…@board") left-wing sociopath and author of
the following “views” on race, homosexuality, death-threats and, lest
we forget, killing govt. officials and teenage girls:

"She (Katherine Harris) should be at least shot" -- Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/9448fa9e79d03c83?dmode=source

"I call Kathering[sic] Harris a nazi/fascist right wing ideologue
whore. 
What did we do to German nazis right wing whores?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

“May a real american someday have the honor of putting a bullet
between her eyes." -- Gary Roselles on B. Robertson's teenage
daughter.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.bush/msg/346a12114c9884ee?hl=en&dmode=source

What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (Distinguished African-
American Scholar, Thomas) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never
having 
worked a day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?" -- Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/652f875e53203e8e?hl=en&

"Both are traitors to their race" -- Race Purist Gary Roselles on the
importance 
of Race Loyalty

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/90646e9b4da37793

"You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking people
is going to gain anything with real minorities?" -- Gary Roselles,
Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/1b116fa0999182fb
(see header)

"Them brown niggers need to be taken out" -- Gary Roselles, Racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.republicans/msg/421a0f9263435ca4

"He (African-American scholar Thomas Sowell) goes against his own
kind." Race loyalist Gary Roselles, insisting once again that “them
blacks” should "stick 
to their own kind"

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/17fcf97abe2e4ee2?dmode=source

"His appointment will bridge nothing. It's apparant he's being an
uncle tom to appease voters." -- White trash, racist asshole Gary
Roselles 
slurs African-American Hero General Colin Powell

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/3bdf04c3586323ed?dmode=source
(see header

"Group Negro Poster Pyjamarma admits to being a coconut headed coon"
-- Gary Roselles, pathetic racist

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.rush-limbaugh/msg/d9ccfefc35328516?dmode=source

"Say "yes Massa", Uncle Tom." – Vile racist Gary Roselles pathetically
mocks and 
slurs prominent African-American man-of-the-cloth Jesse Lee
Peterson

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/ecc4d1339f7a1c79?hl=en&dmode=source

"How does a pampered, Stanford based, Scaife funded, Uncle Tom make
judgements on "the bottom", McFly?" -- Another day, another racial
slur on an educated, successful, independent black man from Gary
Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater/msg/67c195d05ad55e39?hl=en&dmode=source

"I consider hating RIGHT WING nazi/fascist fucks like you a God
inspired emotion."

"Hating RIGHT WINGERS is doing God's work, Dumbapropyl" -- Pure,
venomous hate-speech from "god-inspired" whackjob Gary Roselles

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.clinton/msg/9431827dde9eb727?dmode=source

Yeah, there's a real fucking credible authority----Hitchens a faggot
socialist." -- Gary Roselles, “f”-bomb droppin’ rabid homophobe

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.conservatism/msg/d2ab5e412f7ed8e7?dmode=source

"You're like that kid that has just been told that's not a hot-dog
he's sucking on" -- Gary Roselles, Pedophile, admits forcing oral
copulation on a child

http://groups.google.com/group/seattle.politics/msg/fcf8198215ac03f2?as_ums­
s***@board.net
2010-01-24 23:19:38 UTC
Permalink
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-25 00:53:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by s***@board.net
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:37:33 -0800, Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
If you have health insurance, I hope you are covered for Kool Aid
addiction.

http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-insurers-make-lousy-villains.html

Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest
3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by
Morningstar, a leading provider of independent investment research.
That ranks 87th out of 215 industries and slightly above the median of
2.2 percent. By this measure, the most profitable industry over the
past year has been beverages, with a 25.9 percent profit margin. Right
behind that were healthcare real-estate trusts (firms that are
basically the landlords for hospitals and healthcare facilities) and
application-software (think Windows). The worst performer was copper,
with a profit margin of minus 56.6 percent.

Drink up, chowder head.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-25 05:45:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by s***@board.net
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:37:33 -0800, Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
If you have health insurance, I hope you are covered for Kool Aid
addiction.
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-insur
ers-make-lousy-villains.html
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest
3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by
Morningstar, a leading provider of independent investment research.
Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.





Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies
June 5, 2009

Bankruptcies due to medical bills increased by nearly 50 percent
in a six-year period, from 46 percent in 2001 to 62 percent in
2007, and most of those who filed for bankruptcy were middle-
class, well-educated homeowners, according to a report that will
be published in the August issue of The American Journal of Medicine.

"Unless you're a Warren Buffett or Bill Gates, you're one illness
away from financial ruin in this country," says lead author Steffie
Woolhandler, M.D., of the Harvard Medical School, in Cambridge,
Mass. "If an illness is long enough and expensive enough, private
insurance offers very little protection against medical bankruptcy,
and that's the major finding in our study."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/06/05/bankruptcy.medical.bills/
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-25 23:11:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by s***@board.net
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:37:33 -0800, Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
If you have health insurance, I hope you are covered for Kool Aid
addiction.
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-insur
ers-make-lousy-villains.html
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest
3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by
Morningstar, a leading provider of independent investment research.
Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.
You don't know a thing about business? Why do I even ask. Marxists
don't know about business.

Obama has fewer than 10 percent experienced private sector cabinet
members under his command. The next lowest for cabinet employees from
the private sector was during Pres. John F. Kennedy’s reign, who had
about 28 percent members with private sector experience (a big jump
from BHO’s last place to JFK’s second-to-last place percentages).
Third lowest for work experience in the private sector was during
Pres. Jimmy Carter’s presidency, at about 31 percent (and we all know
the economic failure THAT administration created).


-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-26 04:10:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by s***@board.net
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:37:33 -0800, Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
If you have health insurance, I hope you are covered for Kool Aid
addiction.
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-
insur
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
ers-make-lousy-villains.html
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest
3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by
Morningstar, a leading provider of independent investment research.
Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.
You don't know a thing about business?
As compared to Bush, who drove TWO oil companies
to the brink of bankruptcy?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Why do I even ask. Marxists
don't know about business.
If Republicans know so much about business why
are they always demanding federal bailouts? Do you
think AIG and GM and Citibank are havens of leftist
agitators?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Obama has fewer than 10 percent experienced private sector cabinet
members under his command.
Since when have Republicans cared about "experience"?



Paul Wolfowitz, with no experience in banking, appointed by
Bush to head up the World Bank.

John Negroponte, with no experience in intelligence work,
appointed by Bush to be Director of National Intelligence.

Harriet Miers, with no experience in judging, nominated by
Bush to be a Supreme Court Justice.

Alberto Gonzales, having no experience as a prosecutor,
appointed by Bush to be Atty General, the governments head
prosecutor.

Michael Brown, with no experience in disaster relief, appointed
by Bush to head FEMA.

Norris Alderson, a VETERINARIAN, appointed by Bush to head up
the Office of Women's Health.


The list goes on and on..............
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-26 23:03:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by s***@board.net
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:37:33 -0800, Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
If you have health insurance, I hope you are covered for Kool Aid
addiction.
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-
insur
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
ers-make-lousy-villains.html
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a
modest
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by
Morningstar, a leading provider of independent investment research.
Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.
You don't know a thing about business?
As compared to Bush, who drove TWO oil companies
to the brink of bankruptcy?
This is about Barack Hussein Obama. Obama has nada. Are trying to be
like the dense Obama Administration buy invoking GW Bush's name when
you can't defend your Messiah or yourself?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Why do I even ask. Marxists
don't know about business.
If Republicans know so much about business why
are they always demanding federal bailouts? Do you
think AIG and GM and Citibank are havens of leftist
agitators?
Everyone in business is not a Republican. That was a ridiculous
assertion.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Obama has fewer than 10 percent experienced private sector cabinet
members under his command.
Since when have Republicans cared about "experience"?
Paul Wolfowitz, with no experience in banking, appointed by
Bush to head up the World Bank.
John Negroponte, with no experience in intelligence work,
appointed by Bush to be Director of National Intelligence.
Harriet Miers, with no experience in judging, nominated by
Bush to be a Supreme Court Justice.
Alberto Gonzales, having no experience as a prosecutor,
appointed by Bush to be Atty General, the governments head
prosecutor.
Michael Brown, with no experience in disaster relief, appointed
by Bush to head FEMA.
Norris Alderson, a VETERINARIAN, appointed by Bush to head up
the Office of Women's Health.
The list goes on and on..............
Once again, this is not about Bush. Next, you'll tell me the dog ate
your homework.

You can't defend Obama. Obama is a royal fuck up with an ideological
bent.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-27 02:30:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by s***@board.net
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:37:33 -0800, Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
If you have health insurance, I hope you are covered for Kool Aid
addiction.
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-
insur
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
ers-make-lousy-villains.html
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a
modest
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by
Morningstar, a leading provider of independent investment research.
Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.
You don't know a thing about business?
As compared to Bush, who drove TWO oil companies
to the brink of bankruptcy?
This is about Barack Hussein Obama. Obama has nada. Are trying to be
like the dense Obama Administration buy invoking GW Bush's name when
you can't defend your Messiah or yourself?
Please repost for us any complaint you made about
John McCain and Sarah Palin not having any "business
experience". Ditto for Eisenhower, Nixon, or Reagan.

Another one of your Double Standards, no?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Why do I even ask. Marxists
don't know about business.
If Republicans know so much about business why
are they always demanding federal bailouts? Do you
think AIG and GM and Citibank are havens of leftist
agitators?
Everyone in business is not a Republican. That was a ridiculous
assertion.
In that case why is "business experience" a necessary
background only when it comes to Democrats?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Obama has fewer than 10 percent experienced private sector cabinet
members under his command.
Since when have Republicans cared about "experience"?
Paul Wolfowitz, with no experience in banking, appointed by
Bush to head up the World Bank.
John Negroponte, with no experience in intelligence work,
appointed by Bush to be Director of National Intelligence.
Harriet Miers, with no experience in judging, nominated by
Bush to be a Supreme Court Justice.
Alberto Gonzales, having no experience as a prosecutor,
appointed by Bush to be Atty General, the governments head
prosecutor.
Michael Brown, with no experience in disaster relief, appointed
by Bush to head FEMA.
Norris Alderson, a VETERINARIAN, appointed by Bush to head up
the Office of Women's Health.
The list goes on and on..............
Once again, this is not about Bush. Next, you'll tell me the dog ate
your homework.
You can't defend Obama. Obama is a royal fuck up with an ideological
bent.
The Dow is up, the dollar is up, housing starts
are up, the Iraq quagmire is winding down, and the
US president is the most popular elected official on
the planet.

What are you complaining about?
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-27 17:00:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by s***@board.net
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 08:37:33 -0800, Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
If you have health insurance, I hope you are covered for Kool Aid
addiction.
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-health-
insur
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
ers-make-lousy-villains.html
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a
modest
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by
Morningstar, a leading provider of independent investment research.
Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.
You don't know a thing about business?
As compared to Bush, who drove TWO oil companies
to the brink of bankruptcy?
This is about Barack Hussein Obama. Obama has nada. Are trying to be
like the dense Obama Administration buy invoking GW Bush's name when
you can't defend your Messiah or yourself?
Please repost for us any complaint you made about
John McCain and Sarah Palin not having any "business
experience". Ditto for Eisenhower, Nixon, or Reagan.
Another one of your Double Standards, no?
Yawn! For your information, this is about Obama. In the real world, if
a new CEO screw up we don't go to his predecessor to explain the
current CEO's failures. You still can't defend your Messiah.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Why do I even ask. Marxists
don't know about business.
If Republicans know so much about business why
are they always demanding federal bailouts? Do you
think AIG and GM and Citibank are havens of leftist
agitators?
Everyone in business is not a Republican. That was a ridiculous
assertion.
In that case why is "business experience" a necessary
background only when it comes to Democrats?
That's not an answer to my statement. You made the assertion that
businesses are Republican. Are you to assume Democrats are
anti-business?

I said the Obama administration is weak on having people who have
business experience in the real world. It appears he has chosen a
cabinet and administration who put their ideology first above using
real world models that work.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Obama has fewer than 10 percent experienced private sector cabinet
members under his command.
Since when have Republicans cared about "experience"?
Paul Wolfowitz, with no experience in banking, appointed by
Bush to head up the World Bank.
John Negroponte, with no experience in intelligence work,
appointed by Bush to be Director of National Intelligence.
Harriet Miers, with no experience in judging, nominated by
Bush to be a Supreme Court Justice.
Alberto Gonzales, having no experience as a prosecutor,
appointed by Bush to be Atty General, the governments head
prosecutor.
Michael Brown, with no experience in disaster relief, appointed
by Bush to head FEMA.
Norris Alderson, a VETERINARIAN, appointed by Bush to head up
the Office of Women's Health.
The list goes on and on..............
Once again, this is not about Bush. Next, you'll tell me the dog ate
your homework.
You can't defend Obama. Obama is a royal fuck up with an ideological
bent.
The Dow is up, the dollar is up, housing starts
are up, the Iraq quagmire is winding down, and the
US president is the most popular elected official on
the planet.
Unfortunately, unemployment remains stagnant and shows no signs of
lowering. Obama and the dimwit Congress' solution is to extend
unemployment benefits and assume that everyone that lost a job is
going to have catastrophic illness and Congress must pass health
insurance reform.

Obama is now playing three card monty with the voters by saying he
will freeze spending. That won't didly since he increase spending in
2009 by 24% which is beyond the rate of inflation. Freezing spending
at 2006 levels would be more effective since it was 2006 was when
Congress taken over by the Democrats. Obama criticized John McCain
when McCain brought up a spending freeze in their debates.
Most popular elected official on the planet? I'll give you Obama is
the most recognized elected official on the planet just because he
made it a point to give a speech in all points of the globe.
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What are you complaining about?
Obama. Obama is on track to increase the debt threefold than of GW
Bush.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
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Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
If you have health insurance, I hope you are covered for Kool Aid
addiction.
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-
health-
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ers-make-lousy-villains.html
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a
modest
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3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by
Morningstar, a leading provider of independent investment research.
Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.
You don't know a thing about business?
As compared to Bush, who drove TWO oil companies
to the brink of bankruptcy?
This is about Barack Hussein Obama. Obama has nada. Are trying to be
like the dense Obama Administration buy invoking GW Bush's name when
you can't defend your Messiah or yourself?
Please repost for us any complaint you made about
John McCain and Sarah Palin not having any "business
experience". Ditto for Eisenhower, Nixon, or Reagan.
Another one of your Double Standards, no?
Yawn! For your information, this is about Obama. In the real world, if
a new CEO screw up we don't go to his predecessor to explain the
current CEO's failures. You still can't defend your Messiah.
So none of the candidates in 2008 had any business experience.

And your point is.........?
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Why do I even ask. Marxists
don't know about business.
If Republicans know so much about business why
are they always demanding federal bailouts? Do you
think AIG and GM and Citibank are havens of leftist
agitators?
Everyone in business is not a Republican. That was a ridiculous
assertion.
In that case why is "business experience" a necessary
background only when it comes to Democrats?
That's not an answer to my statement. You made the assertion that
businesses are Republican. Are you to assume Democrats are
anti-business?
I said the Obama administration is weak on having people who have
business experience in the real world. It appears he has chosen a
cabinet and administration who put their ideology first above using
real world models that work.
Bush's cabinet was full of people with business
experience. What good did THAT do?
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Post by Mitchell Holman
The Dow is up, the dollar is up, housing starts
are up, the Iraq quagmire is winding down, and the
US president is the most popular elected official on
the planet.
Unfortunately, unemployment remains stagnant and shows no signs of
lowering. Obama and the dimwit Congress' solution is to extend
unemployment benefits and assume that everyone that lost a job is
going to have catastrophic illness and Congress must pass health
insurance reform.
Modern Conservative: Someone who ignored unemployment as it
shrank under Clinton, who ignored it when it rose under Bush,
and who now suddenly pretends to care about unemployment
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Obama is now playing three card monty with the voters by saying he
will freeze spending. That won't didly since he increase spending in
2009 by 24% which is beyond the rate of inflation. Freezing spending
at 2006 levels would be more effective since it was 2006 was when
Congress taken over by the Democrats. Obama criticized John McCain
when McCain brought up a spending freeze in their debates.
Maybe we should return to an all-GOP government, like
the one that turned record budget surpluses into record
budget deficits.

"Deficits don't matter"
- Dick Cheney, 2004
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Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Insurance companies average about 3% in profit. 3% i
Nonsense
If you have health insurance, I hope you are covered for Kool Aid
addiction.
http://www.usnews.com/money/blogs/flowchart/2009/08/25/why-
health-
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ers-make-lousy-villains.html
Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a
modest
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3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by
Morningstar, a leading provider of independent investment
research.
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Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.
You don't know a thing about business?
As compared to Bush, who drove TWO oil companies
to the brink of bankruptcy?
This is about Barack Hussein Obama. Obama has nada. Are trying to be
like the dense Obama Administration buy invoking GW Bush's name when
you can't defend your Messiah or yourself?
Please repost for us any complaint you made about
John McCain and Sarah Palin not having any "business
experience". Ditto for Eisenhower, Nixon, or Reagan.
Another one of your Double Standards, no?
Yawn! For your information, this is about Obama. In the real world, if
a new CEO screw up we don't go to his predecessor to explain the
current CEO's failures. You still can't defend your Messiah.
So none of the candidates in 2008 had any business experience.
And your point is.........?
The point is....Are you ready for this? It's about Barack Hussein
Obama.
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Why do I even ask. Marxists
don't know about business.
If Republicans know so much about business why
are they always demanding federal bailouts? Do you
think AIG and GM and Citibank are havens of leftist
agitators?
Everyone in business is not a Republican. That was a ridiculous
assertion.
In that case why is "business experience" a necessary
background only when it comes to Democrats?
That's not an answer to my statement. You made the assertion that
businesses are Republican. Are you to assume Democrats are
anti-business?
I said the Obama administration is weak on having people who have
business experience in the real world. It appears he has chosen a
cabinet and administration who put their ideology first above using
real world models that work.
Bush's cabinet was full of people with business
experience. What good did THAT do?
The financial meltdown can be traced to the housing which one of the
major players was Fannie Mae. GW Bush asked Congress several times to
enact legislation to tighten regulations on Fannie Mae. Well the
dimwitted Democrats in Congress did everything they could to block
legislation to rein in the GSE. Since the president cannot make law,
Democrats had to protect their cash cow.
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Post by Mitchell Holman
The Dow is up, the dollar is up, housing starts
are up, the Iraq quagmire is winding down, and the
US president is the most popular elected official on
the planet.
Unfortunately, unemployment remains stagnant and shows no signs of
lowering. Obama and the dimwit Congress' solution is to extend
unemployment benefits and assume that everyone that lost a job is
going to have catastrophic illness and Congress must pass health
insurance reform.
Modern Conservative: Someone who ignored unemployment as it
shrank under Clinton, who ignored it when it rose under Bush,
and who now suddenly pretends to care about unemployment
Underemployment was at 4.7% until 2006 when Harry Reid and Nancy
Pelosi took over Congress. Are you too blind to see a pattern?
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
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Obama is now playing three card monty with the voters by saying he
will freeze spending. That won't didly since he increase spending in
2009 by 24% which is beyond the rate of inflation. Freezing spending
at 2006 levels would be more effective since it was 2006 was when
Congress taken over by the Democrats. Obama criticized John McCain
when McCain brought up a spending freeze in their debates.
Maybe we should return to an all-GOP government, like
the one that turned record budget surpluses into record
budget deficits.
Maybe we should.

Obama's tax policy is the only sharp break in economic policy.
President Bush reduced taxes by approximately $2 trillion; Obama has
proposed raising taxes by $1.4 trillion. In doing so, Obama has
rejected the most successful Bush fiscal policy. In the 18 months
following the 2003 tax rate cuts, economic growth rates doubled, the
stock market surged 32 percent, and the economy created 1.8 million
jobs, followed by 5.2 mil­lion more jobs in the next 27 months. Not
until the housing bubble burst several years later did the economy
finally lose steam.

Another Obama connection.

As you know Goldman Sachs was a major player in the financial
meltdown. In 2006 and 2007, Goldman Sachs Group peddled more than $40
billion in securities backed by at least 200,000 risky home mortgages,
but never told the buyers it was secretly betting that a sharp drop in
U.S. housing prices would send the value of those securities
plummeting.

Tim "Turbo Tax" Geithner was president of the New York Federal Reserve
Bank in New York during the time Goldman Sachs played financial games.
In May 2007 he worked to reduce the capital required to run a bank.
In March 2008, he arranged the rescue and sale of Bear Stearns. In the
same year, he played a supporting role to Henry Paulson, former CEO of
Goldman Sachs, in the decision to bail out AIG just two days after
deciding not to rescue Lehman Brothers from bankruptcy.

That's who Obama taps for economic advice. In my eyes, Geithner is
Kenneth Lay, George Soros and Bernie Madoff wrapped into one.

There are ex-Goldman Sachs employees at every level of the BO
administration it’s not even funny. Goldman Sachs is Obama’s
Haliburton.

What Obama needs is truth in advertising. Before the recession,
federal spending totaled $24,000 per U.S. household. President Obama
would hike it to $32,000 per household by 2019— an inflation-adjusted
$8,000-per-household expansion of government.

President Bush ran budget deficits averaging $300 billion annually.
After harshly criticizing Bush's budget deficits, Obama pro­posed a
budget that would run deficits averaging $600 billion even after the
economy recovers and the troops return home from Iraq.
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"Deficits don't matter"
- Dick Cheney, 2004
That quote does not give Obama a pass.

Last year Obama:

#Increase spending by $1 trillion over the next decade;

# Include an additional $250 billion placeholder for another financial
bailout;

# Likely lead to a 12 percent increase in discretionary spending;

# Permanently expand the federal government by nearly 3 percent of
gross domestic product (GDP) over pre-recession levels;

# Raise taxes on all Americans by $1.4 trillion over the next decade;

# Raise taxes for 3.2 million taxpayers by an average of $300,000 over
the next decade;

# Call for a pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) law despite offering a budget that
would violate it by $3.4 trillion;

# Assume a rosy economic scenario that few economists anticipate;

# Leave permanent deficits averaging $600 billion even after the
economy recovers;

and

# Double the publicly held national debt to over $15 trillion ($12.5
trillion after inflation).


-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
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Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.
You don't know a thing about business?
As compared to Bush, who drove TWO oil companies
to the brink of bankruptcy?
This is about Barack Hussein Obama. Obama has nada. Are trying to be
like the dense Obama Administration buy invoking GW Bush's name when
you can't defend your Messiah or yourself?
Please repost for us any complaint you made about
John McCain and Sarah Palin not having any "business
experience". Ditto for Eisenhower, Nixon, or Reagan.
Another one of your Double Standards, no?
Yawn! For your information, this is about Obama. In the real world, if
a new CEO screw up we don't go to his predecessor to explain the
current CEO's failures. You still can't defend your Messiah.
So none of the candidates in 2008 had any business experience.
And your point is.........?
The point is....Are you ready for this? It's about Barack Hussein
Obama.
OK, Obama has the level of "business experience" as
Eisenhower and Reagan and McCain and Palin. What's your
point?
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Why do I even ask. Marxists
don't know about business.
If Republicans know so much about business why
are they always demanding federal bailouts? Do you
think AIG and GM and Citibank are havens of leftist
agitators?
Everyone in business is not a Republican. That was a ridiculous
assertion.
In that case why is "business experience" a necessary
background only when it comes to Democrats?
That's not an answer to my statement. You made the assertion that
businesses are Republican. Are you to assume Democrats are
anti-business?
I said the Obama administration is weak on having people who have
business experience in the real world. It appears he has chosen a
cabinet and administration who put their ideology first above using
real world models that work.
Bush's cabinet was full of people with business
experience. What good did THAT do?
The financial meltdown can be traced to the housing which one of the
major players was Fannie Mae. GW Bush asked Congress several times to
enact legislation to tighten regulations on Fannie Mae. Well the
dimwitted Democrats in Congress did everything they could to block
legislation to rein in the GSE. Since the president cannot make law,
Democrats had to protect their cash cow.
Fact check:


Bush Administration Ignored Warnings of Pending Financial Meltdown

December 01, 2008
Fox News

WASHINGTON — The Bush administration backed off proposed
crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years
before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some
of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably
prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown,
according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents.

"Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories,"
California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators
in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost
her a job.

Bowing to aggressive lobbying — along with assurances from banks
that the troubled mortgages were OK — regulators delayed action
for nearly one year. By the time new rules were released late
in 2006, the toughest of the proposed provisions were gone and
the meltdown was under way.

"These mortgages have been considered more safe and sound for
portfolio lenders than many fixed rate mortgages," David Schneider,
home loan president of Washington Mutual, told federal regulators
in early 2006. Two years later, WaMu became the largest bank
failure in U.S. history.

The administration's blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic
of its governing philosophy, which trusted market forces and discounted
the value of government intervention in the economy. Its belief
ironically has ushered in the most massive government intervention
since the 1930s.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460044,00.html
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The Dow is up, the dollar is up, housing starts
are up, the Iraq quagmire is winding down, and the
US president is the most popular elected official on
the planet.
Unfortunately, unemployment remains stagnant and shows no signs of
lowering. Obama and the dimwit Congress' solution is to extend
unemployment benefits and assume that everyone that lost a job is
going to have catastrophic illness and Congress must pass health
insurance reform.
Modern Conservative: Someone who ignored unemployment as it
shrank under Clinton, who ignored it when it rose under Bush,
and who now suddenly pretends to care about unemployment
Underemployment was at 4.7% until 2006 when Harry Reid and Nancy
Pelosi took over Congress. Are you too blind to see a pattern?
Oh, yes, that "takeover", which gave the Democrats
49 Senators. Boy, it is hard to argue with "control" like
that. How many times did they override a Bush veto, again?
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Obama is now playing three card monty with the voters by saying he
will freeze spending. That won't didly since he increase spending in
2009 by 24% which is beyond the rate of inflation. Freezing spending
at 2006 levels would be more effective since it was 2006 was when
Congress taken over by the Democrats. Obama criticized John McCain
when McCain brought up a spending freeze in their debates.
Maybe we should return to an all-GOP government, like
the one that turned record budget surpluses into record
budget deficits.
Maybe we should.
Obama's tax policy is the only sharp break in economic policy.
President Bush reduced taxes by approximately $2 trillion; Obama has
proposed raising taxes by $1.4 trillion.
Imagine that - raising taxes to pay for things instead of
judge borrowing your way to prosperity, the Republican Way.
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In doing so, Obama has
rejected the most successful Bush fiscal policy.
LOL!

The "successful Bush policy", that turned record surpluses
into record deficits, that created the biggest recession in
generations, that triggered the Dow to LOSE 2000 points by the
time he left office?

Thanks for the giggle........
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In the 18 months
following the 2003 tax rate cuts, economic growth rates doubled, the
stock market surged 32 percent, and the economy created 1.8 million
jobs, followed by 5.2 mil­lion more jobs in the next 27 months. Not
until the housing bubble burst several years later did the economy
finally lose steam.
Unemployment was rising under Bush long before the
housing bubble (after shrinking EVERY year under Clinton)


Year......unemployment rate

Clinton

1993.........6.91
1994.........6.10
1995.........5.59
1996.........5.41
1997.........4.94
1998.........4.50
1999.........4.22
2000.........3.97

Bush 43

2001.........4.76
2002.........5.78
2003.........5.99
2004.........5.53
2005.........5.08
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President Bush ran budget deficits averaging $300 billion annually.
Why? Bush inherited a record SURPLUS. Then he cut taxes,
raised spending, cut more taxes, raised spending even more,
and conseratives act surprised there is a deficit.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
After harshly criticizing Bush's budget deficits, Obama pro­posed a
budget that would run deficits averaging $600 billion even after the
economy recovers and the troops return home from Iraq.
Post by Mitchell Holman
"Deficits don't matter"
- Dick Cheney, 2004
That quote does not give Obama a pass.
#Increase spending by $1 trillion over the next decade;
# Include an additional $250 billion placeholder for another financial
bailout;
# Likely lead to a 12 percent increase in discretionary spending;
# Permanently expand the federal government by nearly 3 percent of
gross domestic product (GDP) over pre-recession levels;
# Raise taxes on all Americans by $1.4 trillion over the next decade;
# Raise taxes for 3.2 million taxpayers by an average of $300,000 over
the next decade;
# Call for a pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) law despite offering a budget that
would violate it by $3.4 trillion;
# Assume a rosy economic scenario that few economists anticipate;
# Leave permanent deficits averaging $600 billion even after the
economy recovers;
and
# Double the publicly held national debt to over $15 trillion ($12.5
trillion after inflation).
So what do you want Obama to do - continue the Bush disaster
of cutting taxes and massive borrowing? Let the banks collapse
and trigger a depression? Cut military spending?

As Obama said, if you guys have a better plan let's see it.
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Modern Conservative - someone who cares more about insurance
company profit margins than the million driven into bankruptcy
by medical bills despite the "protection" of health insurance.
You don't know a thing about business?
As compared to Bush, who drove TWO oil companies
to the brink of bankruptcy?
This is about Barack Hussein Obama. Obama has nada. Are trying to
be
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like the dense Obama Administration buy invoking GW Bush's name
when
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Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
you can't defend your Messiah or yourself?
Please repost for us any complaint you made about
John McCain and Sarah Palin not having any "business
experience". Ditto for Eisenhower, Nixon, or Reagan.
Another one of your Double Standards, no?
Yawn! For your information, this is about Obama. In the real world,
if
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
a new CEO screw up we don't go to his predecessor to explain the
current CEO's failures. You still can't defend your Messiah.
So none of the candidates in 2008 had any business experience.
And your point is.........?
The point is....Are you ready for this? It's about Barack Hussein
Obama.
OK, Obama has the level of "business experience" as
Eisenhower and Reagan and McCain and Palin. What's your
point?
Isn't obvious? It shows. The economy is in the toilet. Reagan, McCain
and Palin all had management experience in one form or a another. The
issue with McCain was brought up during the elections. I do believe
you were participating in Usenet during that time. It was discussed.

You're like an old comedian in the twilight of his career. You keep on
recycling old material.
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Why do I even ask. Marxists
don't know about business.
If Republicans know so much about business why
are they always demanding federal bailouts? Do you
think AIG and GM and Citibank are havens of leftist
agitators?
Everyone in business is not a Republican. That was a ridiculous
assertion.
In that case why is "business experience" a necessary
background only when it comes to Democrats?
That's not an answer to my statement. You made the assertion that
businesses are Republican. Are you to assume Democrats are
anti-business?
I said the Obama administration is weak on having people who have
business experience in the real world. It appears he has chosen a
cabinet and administration who put their ideology first above using
real world models that work.
Bush's cabinet was full of people with business
experience. What good did THAT do?
The financial meltdown can be traced to the housing which one of the
major players was Fannie Mae. GW Bush asked Congress several times to
enact legislation to tighten regulations on Fannie Mae. Well the
dimwitted Democrats in Congress did everything they could to block
legislation to rein in the GSE. Since the president cannot make law,
Democrats had to protect their cash cow.
Bush Administration Ignored Warnings of Pending Financial Meltdown
December 01, 2008
Fox News
WASHINGTON — The Bush administration backed off proposed
crackdowns on no-money-down, interest-only mortgages years
before the economy collapsed, buckling to pressure from some
of the same banks that have now failed. It ignored remarkably
prescient warnings that foretold the financial meltdown,
according to an Associated Press review of regulatory documents.
"Expect fallout, expect foreclosures, expect horror stories,"
California mortgage lender Paris Welch wrote to U.S. regulators
in January 2006, about one year before the housing implosion cost
her a job.
Bowing to aggressive lobbying — along with assurances from banks
that the troubled mortgages were OK — regulators delayed action
for nearly one year. By the time new rules were released late
in 2006, the toughest of the proposed provisions were gone and
the meltdown was under way.
"These mortgages have been considered more safe and sound for
portfolio lenders than many fixed rate mortgages," David Schneider,
home loan president of Washington Mutual, told federal regulators
in early 2006. Two years later, WaMu became the largest bank
failure in U.S. history.
The administration's blind eye to the impending crisis is emblematic
of its governing philosophy, which trusted market forces and discounted
the value of government intervention in the economy. Its belief
ironically has ushered in the most massive government intervention
since the 1930s.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,460044,00.html
Amazing came out in December 2008 after Obama was elected and the
story's origin was from AP. Is AP fair and balanced? I don't think so.
It was AP that assigned 11 fact checkers to Sarah Palin's book. For
Obama's book...nada.
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.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ae3_1222100943

The White House released this list of attempts by President Bush to
reform Freddie Mae and Freddie Mac since he took office in 2001.
Unfortunately, Congress did not act on the president's warnings:

** 2001

April: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because
"financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in
financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic
activity."

** 2002

May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance
principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility
to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO,
5/29/02)

** 2003

January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for
the previous three years.

February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO)
releases a report explaining that "although investors perceive an
implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations," "the government has
provided no explicit legal backing for them." As a consequence,
unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial
sectors beyond the housing market. ("Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae,
Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO,"
OFHEO Report, 2/4/03)

September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges
OFHEO's review found earnings manipulations.

September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House
Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact
"legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise
the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored
enterprises" and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy
requirements.

October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.

November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw
explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower
the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce
systemic risk." To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the
regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and
minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind
down the affairs of a troubled GSE." (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At
The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And
Leadership, 11/6/03)

** 2004

February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed
by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required
capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator: "The
Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators
of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their
responsibilities, and therefore?should be replaced with a new
strengthened regulator." (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)

February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take [the
financial market's] strength for granted." Again, the call from the
Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing
GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator." (N. Gregory Mankiw,
Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times,
2/24/04)

June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk
posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying "We do not have a
world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored
enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing
financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision
to ensure the long-term vitality of that system. Therefore, the
Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory
supervisor for the three housing GSEs: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and
the Federal Home Loan Banking System." (Samuel Bodman, House
Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations
Testimony, 6/16/04)

** 2005

April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform,
saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this
Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by
the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure
that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of
funding for expanding home ownership opportunities in America?
Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system."
(Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial
Services Committee," 4/13/05)

** 2007

July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities
collapse.

August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform
package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first
when it comes to those two institutions. Congress needs to get them
reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will
consider other options."
(President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07)

September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in
August ­ up 115 percent from the year before.

September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent
from the previous month ­ the lowest level in nine years. Median sale
price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.

December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass
legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide
liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners,
and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've
called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent
regulation of the GSEs ­ and ensures they focus on their important
housing mission. The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this
year is a good start. But the Senate has not acted. And the United
States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon." (President George
W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House,
12/6/07)

** 2008

January: Bank of America announces it will buy Countrywide.

January: Citigroup announces mortgage portfolio lost $18.1 billion in
value.

February: Assistant Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of
reforms, says "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is
essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public
mission successfully."
(David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee
On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08)

March: Bear Stearns announces it will sell itself to JPMorgan Chase.

March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move
forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to
continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing
agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their
mortgages."
(President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York,
New York, NY, 3/14/08)

April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed
legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are]
constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing
market to correct quickly by? helping people stay in their homes."
(President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House,
4/14/08)

May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass
legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation
deteriorates further.

"Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and
keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I
have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing
Administration that will help more families stay in their homes,
reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to
ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing
agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans."
(President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08)

"[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in
their homes. And one way we can do that ­ and Congress is making
progress on this ­ is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That
reform will come with a
strong, independent regulator." (President George W. Bush, Meeting
With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08)

"Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing
Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus
on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue
tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans." (President George W.
Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08)

June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the
President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to
address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform
Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac." (President George W. Bush, Remarks At
Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development,
Washington, D.C., 6/6/08)

July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform
of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the
institutions are failing. In 2005-- Senator John McCain partnered with
three other Senate Republicans to reform the government¹s involvement
in lending. Democrats blocked this reform, too.

If I could I would bet the farm that Chris Dodd and Barney Frank had
a hand in blocking Congress to enact reforms.

In 2005, the Senate Banking Committee, then under Republican control,
adopted a strong reform bill, introduced by Republican Sens. Elizabeth
Dole, John Sununu and Chuck Hagel, and supported by then chairman
Richard Shelby. The bill prohibited the GSEs from holding portfolios,
and gave their regulator prudential authority (such as setting capital
requirements) roughly equivalent to a bank regulator. In light of the
current financial crisis, this bill was probably the most important
piece of financial regulation before Congress in 2005 and 2006. All
the Republicans on the Committee supported the bill, and all the
Democrats voted against it. Mr. McCain endorsed the legislation in a
speech on the Senate floor. Mr. Obama, like all other Democrats,
remained silent.

Now the Democrats are blaming the financial crisis on "deregulation."

Bzzzzt!!! Wrong.
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The Dow is up, the dollar is up, housing starts
are up, the Iraq quagmire is winding down, and the
US president is the most popular elected official on
the planet.
Unfortunately, unemployment remains stagnant and shows no signs of
lowering. Obama and the dimwit Congress' solution is to extend
unemployment benefits and assume that everyone that lost a job is
going to have catastrophic illness and Congress must pass health
insurance reform.
Modern Conservative: Someone who ignored unemployment as it
shrank under Clinton, who ignored it when it rose under Bush,
and who now suddenly pretends to care about unemployment
Underemployment was at 4.7% until 2006 when Harry Reid and Nancy
Pelosi took over Congress. Are you too blind to see a pattern?
Oh, yes, that "takeover", which gave the Democrats
49 Senators. Boy, it is hard to argue with "control" like
that. How many times did they override a Bush veto, again?
Isn't coincidental that unemployment took a steep dive and financial
markets reached it tipping point when Harry and Nancy were annointed.
The Dems had a super majority last year and they could pass
legislation that Obama ran on.
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Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Obama is now playing three card monty with the voters by saying he
will freeze spending. That won't didly since he increase spending in
2009 by 24% which is beyond the rate of inflation. Freezing spending
at 2006 levels would be more effective since it was 2006 was when
Congress taken over by the Democrats. Obama criticized John McCain
when McCain brought up a spending freeze in their debates.
Maybe we should return to an all-GOP government, like
the one that turned record budget surpluses into record
budget deficits.
Maybe we should.
Obama's tax policy is the only sharp break in economic policy.
President Bush reduced taxes by approximately $2 trillion; Obama has
proposed raising taxes by $1.4 trillion.
Imagine that - raising taxes to pay for things instead of
judge borrowing your way to prosperity, the Republican Way.
Obama is spending an borrowing at the same time. Doesn't look like
progress to me. Obama wants to take money paid back by the banks and
use it for other projects. The money for the bank bailouts was
borrowed. Instead of paying off the debt, he wants to use it for more
spending. How stupid is that?
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
In doing so, Obama has
rejected the most successful Bush fiscal policy.
LOL!
The "successful Bush policy", that turned record surpluses
into record deficits, that created the biggest recession in
generations, that triggered the Dow to LOSE 2000 points by the
time he left office?
Thanks for the giggle........
The Dow hit its highest point of 14,164 under GW Bush. I headed
towards its downward trend when Bonnie and Clyde...oops I mean Nancy
and Harry took over Congress.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
In the 18 months
following the 2003 tax rate cuts, economic growth rates doubled, the
stock market surged 32 percent, and the economy created 1.8 million
jobs, followed by 5.2 mil­lion more jobs in the next 27 months. Not
until the housing bubble burst several years later did the economy
finally lose steam.
Unemployment was rising under Bush long before the
housing bubble (after shrinking EVERY year under Clinton)
The one thing that did not shrink during Clinton's tenure was the
national debt. Since it did not shrink, it would offset the surplus
myths that have been foisted upon the American People.

The average unemployment rate during the Bush years is running lower
than during the Clinton years.

Economic growth fared well under Bush. The economy grew 3.3% until
that magical year I previously mention.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Year......unemployment rate
Clinton
1993.........6.91
1994.........6.10
1995.........5.59
1996.........5.41
1997.........4.94
1998.........4.50
1999.........4.22
2000.........3.97
Unemployment rates went down when Clinton had a Republican Congress.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Bush 43
2001.........4.76
2002.........5.78
2003.........5.99
2004.........5.53
2005.........5.08
The lowest rate under Clinton was 3.9%, the highest was 7.1%. The
lowest unemployment rate under Bush has been 4.2% and the highest
6.3%.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
President Bush ran budget deficits averaging $300 billion annually.
Why? Bush inherited a record SURPLUS. Then he cut taxes,
raised spending, cut more taxes, raised spending even more,
and conseratives act surprised there is a deficit.
Funny thing, we still had a national debt. What happened? Why didn't
Clinton aim towards reducing the debt? The reason being so he could
leave office with an artificial surplus.
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
After harshly criticizing Bush's budget deficits, Obama pro­posed a
budget that would run deficits averaging $600 billion even after the
economy recovers and the troops return home from Iraq.
Post by Mitchell Holman
"Deficits don't matter"
- Dick Cheney, 2004
That quote does not give Obama a pass.
#Increase spending by $1 trillion over the next decade;
# Include an additional $250 billion placeholder for another financial
bailout;
# Likely lead to a 12 percent increase in discretionary spending;
# Permanently expand the federal government by nearly 3 percent of
gross domestic product (GDP) over pre-recession levels;
# Raise taxes on all Americans by $1.4 trillion over the next decade;
# Raise taxes for 3.2 million taxpayers by an average of $300,000 over
the next decade;
# Call for a pay-as-you-go (PAYGO) law despite offering a budget that
would violate it by $3.4 trillion;
# Assume a rosy economic scenario that few economists anticipate;
# Leave permanent deficits averaging $600 billion even after the
economy recovers;
and
# Double the publicly held national debt to over $15 trillion ($12.5
trillion after inflation).
So what do you want Obama to do - continue the Bush disaster
of cutting taxes and massive borrowing? Let the banks collapse
and trigger a depression? Cut military spending?
Don't increase spending. He increase spending by 24% in 2009. That
figure doesn't even come close to the rate of inflation.
Post by Mitchell Holman
As Obama said, if you guys have a better plan let's see it.
Now, he wants to see their plans. If Scott Brown didn't win, Obama
would ignore the Republicans this year. Brown's victory showed some
Democrats that in 2010, their office is in peril.



-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand

Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-21 16:13:40 UTC
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Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Only if you're stupid enough to believe that "all current problems"
can be solved by government....
Are you that stupid?
Simply put....Yes Virginia, he is that stupid.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Hachiroku ハチロク
2010-01-21 05:03:54 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was hers
for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the ObamaCare
bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C? [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear to
“We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back pages
of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________ Ya just GOTTA
LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems would just fester and
grow.
And you call that progress?
Government can't run itself, and you want them, especially this bunch of
rebrobates, running MORE?
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-21 13:51:28 UTC
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Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl
YW Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C? [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message
that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in
an interview just now.
Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t
appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva
said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill
means House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast —
and leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________ Ya just
GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems would just
fester and grow.
And you call that progress?
Government can't run itself, and you want them, especially this bunch
of rebrobates, running MORE?
And electing more Republicans would change that?



Big government gets bigger
Washington Times
Oct 18, 2008

George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago
astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it
this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget
expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.

Not since World War II, when the nation mobilized to fight
a global war against fascism and recover from the Great
Depression, has government spending played as large a role
in the economy as it does today.

"We have now presided over the largest increase in the size
of government since the Great Society," said Sen. John McCain,
the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White
House, during the first presidential debate.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/big-government-gets-
bigger/
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-21 22:25:07 UTC
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Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Hachiroku ハチロク
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl
YW Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C? [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it all but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this
approach, a top House liberal tells me.
“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message
that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in
an interview just now.
Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t
appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva
said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill
means House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast —
and leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________ Ya just
GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems would just
fester and grow.
And you call that progress?
Government can't run itself, and you want them, especially this bunch
of rebrobates, running MORE?
And electing more Republicans would change that?
Big government gets bigger
Washington Times
Oct 18, 2008
George W. Bush rode into Washington almost eight years ago
astride the horse of smaller government. He will leave it
this winter having overseen the biggest federal budget
expansion since Franklin Delano Roosevelt seven decades ago.
Not since World War II, when the nation mobilized to fight
a global war against fascism and recover from the Great
Depression, has government spending played as large a role
in the economy as it does today.
"We have now presided over the largest increase in the size
of government since the Great Society," said Sen. John McCain,
the Republican candidate vying to replace Mr. Bush in the White
House, during the first presidential debate.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/19/big-government-gets-
bigger/
Obama is on track in increasing spending and the size of government.
It took GW Bush eight years to accumulate our massive debt. Obama
doing it in one year. GW Bush, unfortunately, added $4 trillion to the
debt. Obama in his first year added $1.693 trillion to the debt.
OBAMA'S FIRST YEAR!

BTW, McCain's quote was last year. Obama didn't do his damage yet.

Obama's philosophy is same old progressive line "tax the rich." He
doesn't acknowledge the wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19
per­cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top
10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50
percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the
income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Get lost
2010-01-21 09:11:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Obama has a much, much bigger problem. The Chinks are cutting off the
loans. That means $100B a month Obama will have to BEG from somewhere
else in order to keep his massive spending capitalized. Or, he could
do the right thing, and CUT SPENDING!
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-21 13:54:22 UTC
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Post by 1-20-2013
innews:-6ydnWKYv_8OWcrWnZ2d
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl
Y
W
Post by 1-20-2013
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or mor
e
Post by 1-20-2013
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it al
l
Post by 1-20-2013
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top
House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the m
essage that
Post by 1-20-2013
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in
an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line beh
ind
Post by 1-20-2013
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t
appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva
said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores
the
Post by 1-20-2013
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill
means House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast —
and leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous.
Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the
back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Obama has a much, much bigger problem. The Chinks are cutting off the
loans. That means $100B a month Obama will have to BEG from somewhere
else in order to keep his massive spending capitalized. Or, he could
do the right thing, and CUT SPENDING!
Start with the military and watch the conservatives howl.
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-21 22:50:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
innews:-6ydnWKYv_8OWcrWnZ2d
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl
Y
W
Post by 1-20-2013
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or mor
e
Post by 1-20-2013
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it al
l
Post by 1-20-2013
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top
House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the m
essage that
Post by 1-20-2013
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in
an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line beh
ind
Post by 1-20-2013
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t
appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva
said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores
the
Post by 1-20-2013
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill
means House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast —
and leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous.
Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the
back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Obama has a much, much bigger problem. The Chinks are cutting off the
loans. That means $100B a month Obama will have to BEG from somewhere
else in order to keep his massive spending capitalized. Or, he could
do the right thing, and CUT SPENDING!
Start with the military and watch the conservatives howl.
Are you saying government can't cut spending?

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-21 23:48:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
innews:-6ydnWKYv_8OWcrWnZ2d
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?
q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by 1-20-2013
Y
W
Post by 1-20-2013
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or mor
e
Post by 1-20-2013
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it al
l
Post by 1-20-2013
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top
House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the m
essage that
Post by 1-20-2013
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in
an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line beh
ind
Post by 1-20-2013
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t
appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva
said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores
the
Post by 1-20-2013
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill
means House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast —
and leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous.
Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the
back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Obama has a much, much bigger problem. The Chinks are cutting off the
loans. That means $100B a month Obama will have to BEG from
somewhere
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
else in order to keep his massive spending capitalized. Or, he could
do the right thing, and CUT SPENDING!
Start with the military and watch the conservatives howl.
Are you saying government can't cut spending?
Should the military be exempt from budget cuts?
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-22 16:29:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
innews:-6ydnWKYv_8OWcrWnZ2d
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US
Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?
q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by 1-20-2013
Y
W
Post by 1-20-2013
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or mor
e
Post by 1-20-2013
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that
they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form —
making it al
l
Post by 1-20-2013
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top
House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the m
essage that
Post by 1-20-2013
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me
in
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by 1-20-2013
an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line beh
ind
Post by 1-20-2013
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t
appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva
said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores
the
Post by 1-20-2013
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill
means House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast —
and leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous.
Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the
back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Obama has a much, much bigger problem. The Chinks are cutting off
the
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
loans. That means $100B a month Obama will have to BEG from
somewhere
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
else in order to keep his massive spending capitalized. Or, he could
do the right thing, and CUT SPENDING!
Start with the military and watch the conservatives howl.
Are you saying government can't cut spending?
Should the military be exempt from budget cuts?
Defense is one of the mandates in the Constitution. Congress can cut
out the crap. So don't try to make a false argument.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-23 03:15:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
innews:-6ydnWKYv_8OWcrWnZ2d
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy
Kennedy's Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican*
US Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?
q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by 1-20-2013
Y
W
Post by 1-20-2013
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or mor
e
Post by 1-20-2013
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance
that they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current
form — making it al
l
Post by 1-20-2013
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top
House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the m
essage that
Post by 1-20-2013
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me
in
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by 1-20-2013
an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line beh
ind
Post by 1-20-2013
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t
appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened,
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement
from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores
the
Post by 1-20-2013
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward
on health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The
unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to support
passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need to find
another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are scouring
procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Obama has a much, much bigger problem. The Chinks are cutting off
the
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
loans. That means $100B a month Obama will have to BEG from
somewhere
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
else in order to keep his massive spending capitalized. Or, he
could do the right thing, and CUT SPENDING!
Start with the military and watch the conservatives howl.
Are you saying government can't cut spending?
Should the military be exempt from budget cuts?
Defense is one of the mandates in the Constitution. Congress can cut
out the crap. So don't try to make a false argument.
Reagan submitted military budget cuts = good.
Bush I submitted military budget cuts = good.
Clinton submitted military budget cutes = bad.
Obama submitted military budget hikes = bad.

See a pattern there, do you?
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-23 16:37:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
innews:-6ydnWKYv_8OWcrWnZ2d
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical
Massachusetts limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy
Kennedy's Senate seat was hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the
Coakley campaign and some how, some way became a *republican*
US Senator from the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?
q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by 1-20-2013
Y
W
Post by 1-20-2013
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or mor
e
Post by 1-20-2013
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance
that they would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current
form — making it al
l
Post by 1-20-2013
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top
House liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the m
essage that
Post by 1-20-2013
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me
in
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Post by 1-20-2013
an interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line beh
ind
Post by 1-20-2013
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t
appear to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened,
Grijalva said, adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement
from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores
the
Post by 1-20-2013
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward
on health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The
unwillingness of liberals, and some in labor, to support
passing the Senate bill means House Dem leaders need to find
another way forward — fast — and leadership aides are scouring
procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds
ominous. Is there some secret alternative to reconciliation
hidden in the back pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol
basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?
Obama has a much, much bigger problem. The Chinks are cutting off
the
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
loans. That means $100B a month Obama will have to BEG from
somewhere
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
else in order to keep his massive spending capitalized. Or, he
could do the right thing, and CUT SPENDING!
Start with the military and watch the conservatives howl.
Are you saying government can't cut spending?
Should the military be exempt from budget cuts?
Defense is one of the mandates in the Constitution. Congress can cut
out the crap. So don't try to make a false argument.
Reagan submitted military budget cuts = good.
Bush I submitted military budget cuts = good.
Clinton submitted military budget cutes = bad.
Obama submitted military budget hikes = bad.
See a pattern there, do you?
You did not give details why? And you are still going with a false
argument.

It's like you bitching and moaning about Dick Cheney being against
homosexual marriage even though he has a homosexual daughter.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Mitchell Holman
2010-01-24 03:28:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Reagan submitted military budget cuts = good.
Bush I submitted military budget cuts = good.
Clinton submitted military budget cuts = bad.
Obama submitted military budget hikes = bad.
See a pattern there, do you?
You did not give details why? And you are still going with a false
argument.
If you cannot defend the double standard of blasting
democrats for doing the same thing as republicans that is
your problem.
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
It's like you bitching and moaning about Dick Cheney being against
homosexual marriage even though he has a homosexual daughter.
You have to understand that Republican homosexuals just
have a "different lifestyle" while Democratic homosexuals
are "perverts trying to force their sinful agenda on the rest
of us"
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-25 00:53:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by Berkeley Bolshevik
Post by Mitchell Holman
Reagan submitted military budget cuts = good.
Bush I submitted military budget cuts = good.
Clinton submitted military budget cuts = bad.
Obama submitted military budget hikes = bad.
See a pattern there, do you?
You did not give details why? And you are still going with a false
argument.
If you cannot defend the double standard of blasting
democrats for doing the same thing as republicans that is
your problem.
I just outed you in trying to do one of your "gotcha" moments.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
Sueki Tartridge
2010-01-21 12:00:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more
     House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
   The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
   And you call that progress?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
YES !!! If you call the Obamanation of America "progress".
Berkeley Bolshevik
2010-01-21 16:13:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C? [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: “We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
And you call that progress?
What are the Dems? After Tuesday, they can be known as the Helen
Keller Party. Since 2006, the Dems were blind to what was going
outside of D.C. , they refused to hear anything outside their own
voice and most of all they talk a bunch of crap.

-

Government "help" to business is just as disastrous
as government persecution... the only way a government
can be of service to national prosperity is by keeping
its hands off.
-Ayn Rand
James
2010-01-21 21:10:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mitchell Holman
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was
hers for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the
ObamaCare bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBlYW
Q5NjQxZmQxMjg=
What's Plan C? [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill - "period."
In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form - making it
all but certain that House Dems won't opt for this approach, a top
House liberal tells me.
"We cannot support the Senate bill - period," is the message
that liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told
me in an interview just now.
Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn't appear
to happen in this meeting. Pelosi mostly listened, Grijalva said,
adding: "We didn't get any declarative statement from her."
The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night's loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward - fast - and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back
pages of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
The Party Of No just got bigger, insuring that no new
solutions would emerge and that all current problems
would just fester and grow.
And you call that progress?
Yes, if they are finally listening to the people rather than their
party. I doubt it will last long though. They will return to the
socialistic ways after moving to the center for next election. Count on
it.
f. barnes
2010-01-21 06:26:45 UTC
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Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was hers
for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the ObamaCare
bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl...
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear to
“We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back pages
of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
Not only is Obamacare dead but this election was the death knell for
the Democratic Party and Socialism.
wy
2010-01-21 06:49:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by f. barnes
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was hers
for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the ObamaCare
bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl...
What's Plan C?   [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
     In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
     “We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
     Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear to
“We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
     The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back pages
of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
Not only was he a gayish Cosmo pin-up boy, but he's a pimp for his
daughters already. Like, is that classic sordid right-wingerism or
what?
Post by f. barnes
Not only is Obamacare dead but this election was the death knell for
the Democratic Party and Socialism.
You sure are desperate to have the Massachussetts election mean that
much. Didn't the Dems win a few seats last summer or fall, and then
the Reps win a few too? It still all pretty much balanced out with
the Dems still basically calling the shots, so they're far from being
kaput as you feverishly would like to fantasize it as so. For your
sake, you better hope that things don't get better before November.
But then, isn't that kind of sick for you to hope for?
None4U
2010-01-21 07:48:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by f. barnes
Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was hers
for the taking!!!!
Scott Brown thundered into town and absolutely DEMOLISHED the Coakley
campaign and some how, some way became a *republican* US Senator from
the state of Massachusetts!!!!!!!!!!!
And the best news of all: Scott Brown has managed to kill the ObamaCare
bill!!!!!!
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=Nzg2YzQxMGJlYzE1NjU1NWRlNDBl...
What's Plan C? [Daniel Foster]
House Dems won't support the Senate bill — "period."
In a private meeting in the Capitol just now, a dozen or more House
liberals bluntly told Nancy Pelosi that there was no chance that they
would vote to pass the Senate bill in its current form — making it all
but certain that House Dems won’t opt for this approach, a top House
liberal tells me.
“We cannot support the Senate bill — period,” is the message that
liberals delivered to the Speaker, Dem Rep Raul Grijalva told me in an
interview just now.
Some had hoped Pelosi would push liberals to get in line behind
this approach, in hopes of expediting reform, but that didn’t appear to
“We didn’t get any declarative statement from her.”
The meeting, which was polite but blunt in tone, underscores the
degree to which Dems are scrambling to figure out a way forward on
health care in the wake of last night’s loss. The unwillingness of
liberals, and some in labor, to support passing the Senate bill means
House Dem leaders need to find another way forward — fast — and
leadership aides are scouring procedural rules as we speak.
That last bit about scouring the procedural rules sounds ominous. Is
there some secret alternative to reconciliation hidden in the back pages
of a dusty tome in the Capitol basement?
_______________________________________________________
Ya just GOTTA LUVIT!!!! ;^D
GO SCOTT BROWN!!!!!
Not only was he a gayish Cosmo pin-up boy, but he's a pimp for his
daughters already. Like, is that classic sordid right-wingerism or
what?
Post by f. barnes
Not only is Obamacare dead but this election was the death knell for
the Democratic Party and Socialism.
You sure are desperate to have the Massachussetts election mean that
much. Didn't the Dems win a few seats last summer or fall, and then
the Reps win a few too? It still all pretty much balanced out with
the Dems still basically calling the shots, so they're far from being
kaput as you feverishly would like to fantasize it as so. For your
sake, you better hope that things don't get better before November.
But then, isn't that kind of sick for you to hope for?




Its too late. The Repubs are getting the country back. All you useles
liberals better crawl back in your hole.
Get lost
2010-01-21 09:09:38 UTC
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Post by 1-20-2013
Thank God "Milk Carton Martha" acted like a typical Massachusetts
limousine liberal and just assumed Teddy Kennedy's Senate seat was hers
for the taking!!!!
This same attitude put the liberals out of office in Canada at the
last election and keeps them in the popularity basement now. Elitists
never learn, thank God.
V
2010-01-21 14:11:54 UTC
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Very glad healthcare is off the table for now. I can keep my house!

Once healthcare insure is mandated under penalty of law as the
politicians want to do, they will really start raping the public. They
will have a captive audience.

Let me tell you how Obama-care would have affected our family. When
the original proposal to jail those without healthcare proved too
unpopular and was dropped, they decided to fine familles $3800 for not
buying gov mandated healthcare.

The proposed fine they mandate on the uninsured would make it a
decision of whether to pay my $345 a month house payment or pay
Obama's fine of $316.66 per month (pro-tated)

If I pay the fine, the bank takes back the house. And if I refuse to
pay his fine, I'll still lose my house to the IRS? Either way we are
out in the street.
James Of Tucson
2010-01-21 17:48:39 UTC
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I was a big fan of the idea of healthcare reform when I thought we,
the people, would enjoy a functional system that actually provides
healthcare to the people in this country, and I mean on the order of
"landing on the moon", with at least as much investment as the war in
Iraq.

When the plan morphed (as a result of compromises with the GOP) into
something that seemed more punitive than helpful, I thought it was
time to stop.
I really don't agree with the idea that the way to get people better
healthcare is simply "give them insurance", and I certainly don't
agree that the way to give them insurance is to punish them for not
buying it. That doesn't work at the state level with car insurance
even when the consequences are severe, and it won't work at the
national level with health insurance. Insurance is part of the
answer, but there is a LOT more to healthcare than just "insurance."
President Soetoro
2010-01-21 18:08:37 UTC
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Post by James Of Tucson
I was a big fan of the idea of healthcare reform when I thought we,
the people, would enjoy a functional system that actually provides
healthcare to the people in this country, and I mean on the order of
"landing on the moon", with at least as much investment as the war in
Iraq.
When the plan morphed (as a result of compromises with the GOP) into
something that seemed more punitive than helpful, I thought it was
time to stop.
I really don't agree with the idea that the way to get people better
healthcare is simply "give them insurance", and I certainly don't
agree that the way to give them insurance is to punish them for not
buying it.  That doesn't work at the state level with car insurance
even when the consequences are severe, and it won't work at the
national level with health insurance.  Insurance is part of the
answer, but there is a LOT more to healthcare than just "insurance."
You REALLY need to stop smoking dope.... moron

Who you gonna steal money from today?
John Q Public
2010-01-21 18:44:45 UTC
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On 2010-01-21 13:08:37 -0500, President Soetoro
Post by President Soetoro
Post by James Of Tucson
I was a big fan of the idea of healthcare reform when I thought we,
the people, would enjoy a functional system that actually provides
healthcare to the people in this country, and I mean on the order of
"landing on the moon", with at least as much investment as the war in
Iraq.
When the plan morphed (as a result of compromises with the GOP) into
something that seemed more punitive than helpful, I thought it was
time to stop.
I really don't agree with the idea that the way to get people better
healthcare is simply "give them insurance", and I certainly don't
agree that the way to give them insurance is to punish them for not
buying it.  That doesn't work at the state level with car insurance
even when the consequences are severe, and it won't work at the
national level with health insurance.  Insurance is part of the
answer, but there is a LOT more to healthcare than just "insurance."
You REALLY need to stop smoking dope.... moron
Who you gonna steal money from today?
Compromises with the GOP!
Poster is delusional at best!
President Soetoro
2010-01-21 18:48:23 UTC
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Post by John Q Public
On 2010-01-21 13:08:37 -0500, President Soetoro
Post by President Soetoro
Post by James Of Tucson
I was a big fan of the idea of healthcare reform when I thought we,
the people, would enjoy a functional system that actually provides
healthcare to the people in this country, and I mean on the order of
"landing on the moon", with at least as much investment as the war in
Iraq.
When the plan morphed (as a result of compromises with the GOP) into
something that seemed more punitive than helpful, I thought it was
time to stop.
I really don't agree with the idea that the way to get people better
healthcare is simply "give them insurance", and I certainly don't
agree that the way to give them insurance is to punish them for not
buying it. That doesn't work at the state level with car insurance
even when the consequences are severe, and it won't work at the
national level with health insurance. Insurance is part of the
answer, but there is a LOT more to healthcare than just "insurance."
You REALLY need to stop smoking dope.... moron
Who you gonna steal money from today?
Compromises with the GOP!
Poster is delusional at best!
You never needed to compromise with the GOP.... and you never did....
tell me of ONE of your secret and closed meetings where a single
Republican was invited? If a conservative Republican can win in the
Bluest of the Blue States.... I bet you are about to piss your pants!

Who you gonna steal money from today?
Sueki Tartridge
2010-01-21 19:47:36 UTC
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Post by James Of Tucson
I was a big fan of the idea of healthcare reform when I thought we,
the people, would enjoy a functional system that actually provides
healthcare to the people in this country, and I mean on the order of
"landing on the moon", with at least as much investment as the war in
Iraq.
When the plan morphed (as a result of compromises with the GOP) into
something that seemed more punitive than helpful, I thought it was
time to stop.
I really don't agree with the idea that the way to get people better
healthcare is simply "give them insurance", and I certainly don't
agree that the way to give them insurance is to punish them for not
buying it.  That doesn't work at the state level with car insurance
even when the consequences are severe, and it won't work at the
national level with health insurance.  Insurance is part of the
answer, but there is a LOT more to healthcare than just "insurance."
"Compromises with the GOP"?? HUH?? Was the GOP included in ANY of the
closed door negotiations??? WTF is WRONG with you people ???
bugs
2010-01-21 20:16:17 UTC
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Post by James Of Tucson
I was a big fan of the idea of healthcare reform when I thought we,
the people, would enjoy a functional system that actually provides
healthcare to the people in this country, and I mean on the order of
"landing on the moon", with at least as much investment as the war in
Iraq.
When the plan morphed (as a result of compromises with the GOP) into
something that seemed more punitive than helpful, I thought it was
time to stop.
I really don't agree with the idea that the way to get people better
healthcare is simply "give them insurance", and I certainly don't
agree that the way to give them insurance is to punish them for not
buying it. That doesn't work at the state level with car insurance
even when the consequences are severe, and it won't work at the
national level with health insurance. Insurance is part of the
answer, but there is a LOT more to healthcare than just "insurance."
I have to admit, when the promise of healthcare reform started perhaps
12 - 18 months ago, I was under the impression that they would insure
more people by making cost reductions in the system - more electronic
record keeping, less fraud, better communications between doctors,
better use of expensive equipment, etc plus improve the system by making
insurance portable, not allowing insurers to drop subscribers under any
circumstance except perhaps failure to make policy payments, etc.

It's turned into who to tax to expand unlimited coverage for all and how
to bribe politicians to to buy in with their vote.

What ever happened to a tiered system of perhaps reduced / limited
coverage at an affordable price with those wanting unlimited coverage
paying a premium according to the expected costs?
WQ 3.0
2010-01-21 20:29:03 UTC
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Post by bugs
Post by James Of Tucson
I was a big fan of the idea of healthcare reform when I thought we,
the people, would enjoy a functional system that actually provides
healthcare to the people in this country, and I mean on the order of
"landing on the moon", with at least as much investment as the war in
Iraq.
When the plan morphed (as a result of compromises with the GOP) into
something that seemed more punitive than helpful, I thought it was
time to stop.
I really don't agree with the idea that the way to get people better
healthcare is simply "give them insurance", and I certainly don't
agree that the way to give them insurance is to punish them for not
buying it.  That doesn't work at the state level with car insurance
even when the consequences are severe, and it won't work at the
national level with health insurance.  Insurance is part of the
answer, but there is a LOT more to healthcare than just "insurance."
I have to admit, when the promise of healthcare reform started perhaps
12 - 18 months ago, I was under the impression that they would insure
more people by making cost reductions in the system - more electronic
record keeping, less fraud, better communications between doctors,
better use of expensive equipment, etc plus improve the system by making
insurance portable, not allowing insurers to drop subscribers under any
circumstance except perhaps failure to make policy payments, etc.
It's turned into who to tax to expand unlimited coverage for all and how
to bribe politicians to to buy in with their vote.
What ever happened to a tiered system of perhaps reduced / limited
coverage at an affordable price with those wanting unlimited coverage
paying a premium according to the expected costs?
That's only possible with a universal single payer system, which is
what Obama would've preferred to have along the lines of the Canadian
system. But the cretins in Congress had other brilliant ideas, like
let's keep it pretty much as it is and while we're at it tax everybody
more for it. Thank the drug cartel lobbyists and the lunatic fringe
of both parties for that.
nobody
2010-01-22 10:46:08 UTC
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On Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:48:39 -0800 (PST), James Of Tucson
Post by James Of Tucson
I was a big fan of the idea of healthcare reform when I thought we,
the people, would enjoy a functional system that actually provides
healthcare to the people in this country, and I mean on the order of
"landing on the moon", with at least as much investment as the war in
Iraq.
When the plan morphed (as a result of compromises with the GOP) into
something that seemed more punitive than helpful, I thought it was
time to stop.
What "compromises" with the GOP? The GOP has been pretty much shut
out of the process.
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