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MFOgilvie
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006

It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and Burl
Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful family
photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox, every
December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's persecution of
the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has the secular left's
legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a threat is enough to
pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's Sea-Tac airport. And
elementary school principles no longer wait for the stray Wiccan parent
to complain before they scurry around banning red and green
construction paper from decoration activities and "Away in a
Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.

So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also arrives my
wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships the
Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This year,
however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who daily
live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.

For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia (GFA)
hosted a small collection of journalists for an informational tour of
India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a network
of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is in a
unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in Asia.

The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face is
violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country from
the last month alone:

¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.

¨ On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar Pradesh.
All their Gospel literature was burned.

Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such incidents
are common throughout the Northern region.

¨ On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of Jammu
and Kashmir.

¨ On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady in
Karnataka.

¨ On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned to
death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery of a
church in the Dharamasala region of India .

Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.

Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with GFA
missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard numerous
first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of Christ.
Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten, and sometimes
killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems like petulant
child's play in comparison.

While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square, few
have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in India .
Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter was
interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers in
attendance to leave the building before descending on the women and
children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the year, i
nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building that was
under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby temporary
shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into the
construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.

Lest we're inclined in our first-world comfort to think this is
merely the work village barbarians, its worth noting that their
government provides tacit approval of anti-Christian prejudice. In some
Indian states, new believers face harsh anti-conversion laws that
require astronomical financial penalties and jail time. Indian law
actively prosecutes proselytizing efforts. On the local front,
authorities routinely invent charges against pastors and evangelists in
order to take them into custody and off the preaching circuit.

However shifting the legal ground the ACLU stands on in the United
States , compared to the hostilities third-world Christians must
endure, their activities seem more like a nuisance than persecution.
This is not to suggest that the war on Christianity in America isn't
real, but in other parts of the world, that war has a body count.

How often, as we file our briefs and lodge our protests for our First
Amendment rights, do we remember what believers of other nations, with
whom American Christians share a closer bond than merely that of
citizenship, face all year long? As one GFA leader pointedly asked our
small group, "How often do our American brothers and sisters fast and
pray over our situation?"

Because it speaks especially to the hearts of India's most destitute
(and illiterate) caste, the Dalits, Christianity there has become known
as a "low class" religion, a religion of the poor and cast off . .
. the untouchable. How very like New Testament faith that seems. And
with our elaborate high-tech structures, mass media outlets, and
thriving Christian book/music/film industries, how very unlike our own.


God has blessed American believers with every good material thing. The
poorest of United States ' Christians would be counted among those
unable to go through the eye of a needle in the majority of the world.
Asked how he might approach evangelizing in the States, one GFA worker
shrugs ruefully, observing that, "Trying to reach Americans is like
trying to reach the Brahmins" ( India 's highest and wealthiest
caste). It goes unspoken that we might also share the Brahmin sense of
entitlement and superiority.

Perhaps our success as a Christian nation has narrowed our vision so
that we no longer recognize the blessing of being able to congregate,
pray, and give to God as freely as wish. Perhaps it has made us too
eager to appeal to courts, and not eager enough to appeal to hearts.

GFA Regional Director Benny Moses described the attitude Indian
believers hold in regard to persecution in a way that may leave some of
us in the Western world squirming: "Christian means you never
react-we do not even file charges when they beat us." He seems
similarly unconcerned about his minority status as a Christian,
expressing confidence in the prospect of converting the country: "He
[the Holy Spirit] will do his business as we do our business.]"
(Perhaps an apt message for his American brethren suffering from
troubled hearts this Christmas?)

As American Christians, we do have much for which to be grateful. But
we should never confuse our allegiance to the United States with our
true "home" country. And in that concept, even our adversaries have
something right.

"What Americans don't understand about Muslims is that that their
faith is their citizenship," comments GFA founder and author Dr. K.P.
Yohannan. How much more true should that be for Christians? We may have
a patriotic obligation to protect the biblical principles on which our
founders based our government, but we have an even higher calling to do
what we can to sustain those with whom we share a heavenly citizenship.


Christmas is not a national holiday-it is a religious one. Those of
us who profess faith in Christ would do well remember that we honor the
Lord of the holiday not only by asserting our own religious rights, but
supporting our overseas spiritual family as they face worshipping
without any. The day may come where the ACLU has its way and our faith
is officially declared an affront to the state, but that day has not
yet arrived. While I would never suggest that we acquiesce to the
secularists' efforts to make mention of the Messiah's name a crime,
we must also make it a priority to support our brothers and sisters for
whom that day has already come.
Amanda Williams
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Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas" crap we get
every year from these drooling imbeciles is that Christmas is actually an
old pagan festival that celebrated the winter solstice and has absolutely
NOTHING to do with the actual birth of Jesus of which there is no record.

The "christmas tree" is an old german pagan symbol, the evergreen
signifying a belief in the renewal of life even in the depths of winter.

Mistletoe and Holly were scared to the Druids. Traditional Red and Green
represent the Holly leaves and berries.

So in reality it's the PAGANS among us who should be crying foul and not
these theiving, plaigarising, misrepresenting christo-facists.

Pagans should sue... justice demands it... :o)

--
AW

<small but dangerous>
MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 14:29:35 UTC
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[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Matt
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[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?

Matt
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2006-12-19 14:48:32 UTC
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Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
Matt
2006-12-19 14:56:17 UTC
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Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit. Amanda told you that
the
date had nothing to do with Jesus and Christianity, you responded that
she was ignorant. You are the ignorant one. But then, we've learned to
expect that from you, kid.

Matt
Gr
2006-12-19 15:23:22 UTC
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Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit. Amanda told you that
the
date had nothing to do with Jesus and Christianity, you responded that
she was ignorant. You are the ignorant one. But then, we've learned to
expect that from you, kid.
Matt
MF, you were bitch slapped, not quit your whining.
MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 17:46:12 UTC
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Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit. Amanda told you that
the
date had nothing to do with Jesus and Christianity, you responded that
she was ignorant. You are the ignorant one. But then, we've learned to
expect that from you, kid.
Matt
MF, you were bitch slapped, not quit your whining.
Don't flatter yourself. You're still breathing, aren't you?
(that should get him going)
Gr
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Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit. Amanda told you that
the
date had nothing to do with Jesus and Christianity, you responded that
she was ignorant. You are the ignorant one. But then, we've learned to
expect that from you, kid.
Matt
MF, you were bitch slapped, not quit your whining.
Don't flatter yourself. You're still breathing, aren't you?
(that should get him going)
Not flattering myself at all. I'm flattering Amanda and Matt. Did they make
you look stupid. Although not a very hard task. (His baiting didn't work)
MFOgilvie
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Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit. Amanda told you that
the
date had nothing to do with Jesus and Christianity, you responded that
she was ignorant. You are the ignorant one. But then, we've learned to
expect that from you, kid.
Matt
MF, you were bitch slapped, not quit your whining.
Don't flatter yourself. You're still breathing, aren't you?
(that should get him going)
Not flattering myself at all. I'm flattering Amanda and Matt.
For something they can't do? Jeez, I've heard of fragile egos, but
that takes the cake.
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Did they make
you look stupid.
Nope.
Post by Gr
Although not a very hard task. (His baiting didn't work)
Damn, I'll have to try harder next time.
MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 17:42:48 UTC
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Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit.
No I'm not. "She" is trying to change the subject; I'm not going to
let her. You neither, for that matter.
Matt
2006-12-19 19:06:25 UTC
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Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit.
No I'm not. "She" is trying to change the subject; I'm not going to
let her. You neither, for that matter.
What, that you were wrong? No, we won't let you change the subject
either.

Christmas isn't a religious affair, there is no "War" on it, nor does
anyone have
the right to push it on us. Christ was not born on "Christmas Day",
presents
and trees have nothing to do with religion.

Get OVER it, kid.

Matt
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Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit.
No I'm not. "She" is trying to change the subject; I'm not going to
let her. You neither, for that matter.
What, that you were wrong?
I wasn't.
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No, we won't let you change the subject
either.
I'm not the one trying.
Post by Matt
Christmas isn't a religious affair,
Yes it is.
Post by Matt
there is no "War" on it
Sure there is. Look at how defensive all of you are getting. And I
knew this would be the reaction when I put this article on here. If
this article didn't hit the nerve it's hitting, none of you would be
reacting to it the way you all are. nor would you specifically be
following in lockstep with "Amanda Williams" trying to change the
subject to something totally insignificant.
Post by Matt
, nor does
anyone have
the right to push it on us.
Tough.
Post by Matt
Christ was not born on "Christmas Day",
Again, this has nothing to do with the original point be made in the
article.
Matt
2006-12-19 21:26:39 UTC
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Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit.
No I'm not. "She" is trying to change the subject; I'm not going to
let her. You neither, for that matter.
What, that you were wrong?
I wasn't.
Post by Matt
No, we won't let you change the subject
either.
I'm not the one trying.
Post by Matt
Christmas isn't a religious affair,
Yes it is.
Post by Matt
there is no "War" on it
Sure there is. Look at how defensive all of you are getting. And I
knew this would be the reaction when I put this article on here. If
this article didn't hit the nerve it's hitting, none of you would be
reacting to it the way you all are. nor would you specifically be
following in lockstep with "Amanda Williams" trying to change the
subject to something totally insignificant.
Post by Matt
, nor does
anyone have
the right to push it on us.
Tough.
Thanks, you just made my point for me. You don't *care* what we
think about it, you are going to push YOUR religion on us.

Don't let the border hit you on your way out, Ogletwit.

Matt
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[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit.
No I'm not. "She" is trying to change the subject; I'm not going to
let her. You neither, for that matter.
What, that you were wrong?
I wasn't.
Post by Matt
No, we won't let you change the subject
either.
I'm not the one trying.
Post by Matt
Christmas isn't a religious affair,
Yes it is.
Post by Matt
there is no "War" on it
Sure there is. Look at how defensive all of you are getting. And I
knew this would be the reaction when I put this article on here. If
this article didn't hit the nerve it's hitting, none of you would be
reacting to it the way you all are. nor would you specifically be
following in lockstep with "Amanda Williams" trying to change the
subject to something totally insignificant.
Post by Matt
, nor does
anyone have
the right to push it on us.
Tough.
Thanks, you just made my point for me. You don't *care* what we
think about it, you are going to push YOUR religion on us.
You liberals have been pushing your religion (atheism) down the throats
of Christians for 40+ years, but it's not okay for Christians to stand
up and finally start fighting back? Tough for you. We're going to
keep shoving back by any means necessary. If you don't like it, so
what? It's not like any of you have the nerve to do anything about it.
Post by Matt
Don't let the border hit you on your way out, Ogletwit.
Dream on, junior.
Matt
2006-12-23 02:33:16 UTC
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Post by Matt
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Matt
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Matt
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Matt
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MeganBasham/2006/12/19/a_little_pers
pective_on_the_war_on_christmas A Little Perspective on the War on
Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
You are trying to lie again, as usual, Ogletwit.
No I'm not. "She" is trying to change the subject; I'm not going to
let her. You neither, for that matter.
What, that you were wrong?
I wasn't.
Post by Matt
No, we won't let you change the subject
either.
I'm not the one trying.
Post by Matt
Christmas isn't a religious affair,
Yes it is.
Post by Matt
there is no "War" on it
Sure there is. Look at how defensive all of you are getting. And I
knew this would be the reaction when I put this article on here. If
this article didn't hit the nerve it's hitting, none of you would be
reacting to it the way you all are. nor would you specifically be
following in lockstep with "Amanda Williams" trying to change the
subject to something totally insignificant.
Post by Matt
, nor does
anyone have
the right to push it on us.
Tough.
Thanks, you just made my point for me. You don't *care* what we
think about it, you are going to push YOUR religion on us.
You liberals have been pushing your religion (atheism) down the throats
of Christians for 40+ years, but it's not okay for Christians to stand
up and finally start fighting back? Tough for you. We're going to
keep shoving back by any means necessary. If you don't like it, so
what? It's not like any of you have the nerve to do anything about it.
Really. How have we been doing that? Atheism is a religion, we don't
push religions.

Why are you so insecure in your puny little fake religion that you
can't
allow people to choose to join without being forced? Obviously, you
have
no belief whatsoever.
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Matt
Don't let the border hit you on your way out, Ogletwit.
Dream on, junior.
Hit the road, Commie.

Matt

YES to Freedom - NO to CFR!
2006-12-19 18:21:19 UTC
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Post by Matt
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MeganBasham/2006/12/19/a_little_pers
pective_on_the_war_on_christmas A Little Perspective on the War on
Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas"
You just exposed your never-ending ignorance. It's not phoney, so you
are dismissed.
Really. So what is it, exactly, Ogletwit? Jesus wasn't born on December
25th,
as any real Biblical scholar can tell you. That date happens to be a
pagan
holiday. So, what is it that isn't (sic) phoney about it?
You're trying to change the subject, typical for a liberal. The
article does not concern itself with Jesus' actual birthdate, but you
already know that. the article discusses the animosity that liberals
have towards Christianity, and any public displays of the Christian
faith.
Honoring Tamuzz and death is not part of the christian faith. It will
actually send you to hell.
Gr
2006-12-19 14:37:17 UTC
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Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MeganBasham/2006/12/19/a_little_pers
pective_on_the_war_on_christmas A Little Perspective on the War on
Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas" crap we get
every year from these drooling imbeciles is that Christmas is actually an
old pagan festival that celebrated the winter solstice and has absolutely
NOTHING to do with the actual birth of Jesus of which there is no record.
The "christmas tree" is an old german pagan symbol, the evergreen
signifying a belief in the renewal of life even in the depths of winter.
Mistletoe and Holly were scared to the Druids. Traditional Red and Green
represent the Holly leaves and berries.
So in reality it's the PAGANS among us who should be crying foul and not
these theiving, plaigarising, misrepresenting christo-facists.
Pagans should sue... justice demands it... :o)
--
AW
We all know that these religious nuts are phoneys. Ecspecially when it comes
to politicians and their pundits. They use religion for votes and not out of
faith. So why should we be surprised that MF is a pagan.
Post by Amanda Williams
<small but dangerous>
MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 19:48:38 UTC
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Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MeganBasham/2006/12/19/a_little_pers
pective_on_the_war_on_christmas A Little Perspective on the War on
Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas" crap we get
every year from these drooling imbeciles is that Christmas is actually an
old pagan festival that celebrated the winter solstice and has absolutely
NOTHING to do with the actual birth of Jesus of which there is no record.
The "christmas tree" is an old german pagan symbol, the evergreen
signifying a belief in the renewal of life even in the depths of winter.
Mistletoe and Holly were scared to the Druids. Traditional Red and Green
represent the Holly leaves and berries.
So in reality it's the PAGANS among us who should be crying foul and not
these theiving, plaigarising, misrepresenting christo-facists.
Pagans should sue... justice demands it... :o)
--
AW
We all know that these religious nuts are phoneys. Ecspecially when it comes
to politicians and their pundits. They use religion for votes and not out of
faith. So why should we be surprised that MF is a pagan.
Gotta do better than that, junior.
Gr
2006-12-19 20:20:54 UTC
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Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Gr
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MeganBasham/2006/12/19/a_little_pers
pective_on_the_war_on_christmas A Little Perspective on the War on
Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas" crap we get
every year from these drooling imbeciles is that Christmas is actually an
old pagan festival that celebrated the winter solstice and has absolutely
NOTHING to do with the actual birth of Jesus of which there is no record.
The "christmas tree" is an old german pagan symbol, the evergreen
signifying a belief in the renewal of life even in the depths of winter.
Mistletoe and Holly were scared to the Druids. Traditional Red and Green
represent the Holly leaves and berries.
So in reality it's the PAGANS among us who should be crying foul and not
these theiving, plaigarising, misrepresenting christo-facists.
Pagans should sue... justice demands it... :o)
--
AW
We all know that these religious nuts are phoneys. Ecspecially when it comes
to politicians and their pundits. They use religion for votes and not out of
faith. So why should we be surprised that MF is a pagan.
Gotta do better than that, junior.
Sorry, I'll use your argument

-because I said so-
MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 20:22:47 UTC
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Post by Gr
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Gr
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MeganBasham/2006/12/19/a_little_pers
pective_on_the_war_on_christmas A Little Perspective on the War on
Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas" crap we get
every year from these drooling imbeciles is that Christmas is actually an
old pagan festival that celebrated the winter solstice and has absolutely
NOTHING to do with the actual birth of Jesus of which there is no record.
The "christmas tree" is an old german pagan symbol, the evergreen
signifying a belief in the renewal of life even in the depths of winter.
Mistletoe and Holly were scared to the Druids. Traditional Red and Green
represent the Holly leaves and berries.
So in reality it's the PAGANS among us who should be crying foul and not
these theiving, plaigarising, misrepresenting christo-facists.
Pagans should sue... justice demands it... :o)
--
AW
We all know that these religious nuts are phoneys. Ecspecially when it comes
to politicians and their pundits. They use religion for votes and not out of
faith. So why should we be surprised that MF is a pagan.
Gotta do better than that, junior.
Sorry, I'll use your argument
-because I said so-
It diesn't count when you say it, only when I say it.
Kevin Cunningham
2006-12-19 15:59:40 UTC
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Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MeganBasham/2006/12/19/a_little_pers
pective_on_the_war_on_christmas A Little Perspective on the War on
Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas" crap we get
every year from these drooling imbeciles is that Christmas is actually an
old pagan festival that celebrated the winter solstice and has absolutely
NOTHING to do with the actual birth of Jesus of which there is no record.
The "christmas tree" is an old german pagan symbol, the evergreen
signifying a belief in the renewal of life even in the depths of winter.
Mistletoe and Holly were scared to the Druids. Traditional Red and Green
represent the Holly leaves and berries.
So in reality it's the PAGANS among us who should be crying foul and not
these theiving, plaigarising, misrepresenting christo-facists.
Pagans should sue... justice demands it... :o)
--
AW
<small but dangerous>
As a far right wing christian I can only agree with you. Christmas is
a ton of fun particularly for our grand daughter but it has nothing to
do with my religion. Christ was most likely born in the spring. The
most sacred christian holiday is easter, the death and resurection of
our lord.
Amanda Williams
2006-12-19 19:08:21 UTC
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Post by Kevin Cunningham
Post by Amanda Williams
ers pective_on_the_war_on_christmas A Little Perspective on the War
on Christmas By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
[.. usual looney "sky-pixie" drool zapped ..]
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas" crap we
get every year from these drooling imbeciles is that Christmas is
actually an old pagan festival that celebrated the winter solstice
and has absolutely NOTHING to do with the actual birth of Jesus of
which there is no record.
The "christmas tree" is an old german pagan symbol, the evergreen
signifying a belief in the renewal of life even in the depths of winter.
Mistletoe and Holly were scared to the Druids. Traditional Red and
Green represent the Holly leaves and berries.
So in reality it's the PAGANS among us who should be crying foul and
not these theiving, plaigarising, misrepresenting christo-facists.
Pagans should sue... justice demands it... :o)
--
AW
<small but dangerous>
As a far right wing christian I can only agree with you. Christmas is
a ton of fun particularly for our grand daughter but it has nothing to
do with my religion. Christ was most likely born in the spring. The
most sacred christian holiday is easter, the death and resurection of
our lord.
Easter is named after the pagan goddess Eostre, and it's date is
actually based on the the jewish feast of the passover. It is , however
at least linkable to the crucifixion if you accept the chronology in the
New Testament.

The thing about the phoney "war on christmas" is that if their beliefs
are so shallow as to be threatened by something as trivial as that then
they have no faith worth speaking about. But of course it all phoney
created by the likes of Bill O'Liely and has more to do with ratings and
politics than religion.

--
AW

<small but dangerous>
Timothy
2006-12-20 13:46:24 UTC
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Post by Amanda Williams
What is so amusing about all this phoney "war on christmas" crap we get
every year from these drooling imbeciles is that Christmas is actually an
old pagan festival that celebrated the winter solstice and has absolutely
NOTHING to do with the actual birth of Jesus of which there is no record.
The "christmas tree" is an old german pagan symbol, the evergreen
signifying a belief in the renewal of life even in the depths of winter.
The New Testament is a record of Jesus's birth, though obviously its
literal reliability is open to question. And the New Testament
accounts suggest that Jesus was in fact born around the time of the
spring equinox, i.e. during the Jewish holiday of Passover (which is
equivalent to the Christian holiday of Easter.)

December 25th was originally just Jesus's saint day... and the modern
holiday of Christmas is indeed a co-optation of various pagan winter
solstice holidays.
C***@Knicklas.com
2006-12-19 14:43:29 UTC
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On 19 Dec 2006 05:28:53 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
Who gives a rat's ass about "india"?

That's got nothing to do with America.
MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 14:50:04 UTC
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Post by C***@Knicklas.com
On 19 Dec 2006 05:28:53 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
Who gives a rat's ass about "india"?
That's got nothing to do with America.
Considering your hatred for the Christian faith, I figure you will take
notes. After all, they are doing to Christians what you want to do.
You're just jealous.
C***@Knicklas.com
2006-12-19 16:32:48 UTC
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On 19 Dec 2006 06:50:04 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
On 19 Dec 2006 05:28:53 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
Who gives a rat's ass about "india"?
That's got nothing to do with America.
Considering your hatred for the Christian faith, I figure you will take
notes. After all, they are doing to Christians what you want to do.
Wrong again you uneducated, mush-brained halfwit

What I want sham religious idiots like you to do is:

1. Stop trying to enact your worthless views into
public policy

2. Stop referring to a non-existent "war" on religion
when no such thing is occurring

3. Stop spamming the mountain of unproven,
unsubstantiated propaganda from the 2-4 propaganda
sites you read as IF if were truth----IOW recognize it
for what it is meant to do for YOU

4. Recognize that when religion enters into the
"political marketplace of ideas" that it MUST play on
an EVEN level with ALL OTHER political ideologies.

5. Did I mention stop being stupid?
MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 16:44:17 UTC
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Post by C***@Knicklas.com
On 19 Dec 2006 06:50:04 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
On 19 Dec 2006 05:28:53 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
Who gives a rat's ass about "india"?
That's got nothing to do with America.
Considering your hatred for the Christian faith, I figure you will take
notes. After all, they are doing to Christians what you want to do.
Wrong again you uneducated, mush-brained halfwit
No I'm not, liar.
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
1. Stop trying to enact your worthless views into
public policy
That's what liberals do, not conservatives.
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
2. Stop referring to a non-existent "war" on religion
when no such thing is occurring
Yes it is, liar.
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
3. Stop spamming the mountain of unproven,
unsubstantiated propaganda from the 2-4 propaganda
sites you read as IF if were truth----IOW recognize it
for what it is meant to do for YOU
I don't read liberal blogs like you, I read articles based on truth,
aka conservatism.
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
4. Recognize that when religion enters into the
"political marketplace of ideas" that it MUST play on
an EVEN level with ALL OTHER political ideologies.
Then why don't you liberals get out of the way and allow this to
happen?
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
5. Did I mention stop being stupid?
Talking to yourself again?
Joseph Welch
2006-12-19 20:39:19 UTC
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Post by C***@Knicklas.com
4. Recognize that when religion enters into the
"political marketplace of ideas" that it MUST play on
an EVEN level with ALL OTHER political ideologies.
Then why don't you liberals get out of the way and allow this to happen?
What liberals aren't allowing that to happen, and how?

Explain.
--
____________________

George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
_____________________

JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
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Post by Joseph Welch
What liberals aren't allowing that to happen, and how?
Explain.
Not so much liberals, but JEWS.

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Post by Joseph Welch
What liberals aren't allowing that to happen, and how?
Explain.
Not so much liberals, but JEWS.
What the fuck are you talking about?
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____________________

George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by undermining American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
_____________________

JW
***************
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you left no sense of decency?"
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k***@yahoo.com
2006-12-19 16:51:17 UTC
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Post by C***@Knicklas.com
On 19 Dec 2006 05:28:53 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
Who gives a rat's ass about "india"?
That's got nothing to do with America.
Considering your hatred for the Christian faith, I figure you will take
notes. After all, they are doing to Christians what you want to do.
You're just jealous.
Why do you continue to entertain the fantasy that you are a worthy
spokesperson for Christianity, Pop 'n Fresh. You don't even practice it
let alone understand it! If I were a believer I'd probably suspect that
you are Satan's tool, unleashed to make Christianity look bad! You're a
simpleton, dough boy.
MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 17:34:16 UTC
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Post by k***@yahoo.com
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
On 19 Dec 2006 05:28:53 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
Who gives a rat's ass about "india"?
That's got nothing to do with America.
Considering your hatred for the Christian faith, I figure you will take
notes. After all, they are doing to Christians what you want to do.
You're just jealous.
Why do you continue to entertain the fantasy that you are a worthy
spokesperson for Christianity, Pop 'n Fresh. You don't even practice it
let alone understand it! If I were a believer I'd probably suspect that
you are Satan's tool, unleashed to make Christianity look bad! You're a
simpleton, dough boy.
Is this the best you can do? Come back when you actually have the
intellectual capability to play with the big boys.
k***@yahoo.com
2006-12-19 18:36:33 UTC
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Post by MFOgilvie
Post by k***@yahoo.com
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
On 19 Dec 2006 05:28:53 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
Who gives a rat's ass about "india"?
That's got nothing to do with America.
Considering your hatred for the Christian faith, I figure you will take
notes. After all, they are doing to Christians what you want to do.
You're just jealous.
Why do you continue to entertain the fantasy that you are a worthy
spokesperson for Christianity, Pop 'n Fresh. You don't even practice it
let alone understand it! If I were a believer I'd probably suspect that
you are Satan's tool, unleashed to make Christianity look bad! You're a
simpleton, dough boy.
Is this the best you can do? Come back when you actually have the
intellectual capability to play with the big boys.
Inability to answer the question noted and expected. I am your superior
in every "capability", Dough Boy, and don't you forget it.
MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 18:44:25 UTC
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Post by k***@yahoo.com
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by k***@yahoo.com
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
On 19 Dec 2006 05:28:53 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
Who gives a rat's ass about "india"?
That's got nothing to do with America.
Considering your hatred for the Christian faith, I figure you will take
notes. After all, they are doing to Christians what you want to do.
You're just jealous.
Why do you continue to entertain the fantasy that you are a worthy
spokesperson for Christianity, Pop 'n Fresh. You don't even practice it
let alone understand it! If I were a believer I'd probably suspect that
you are Satan's tool, unleashed to make Christianity look bad! You're a
simpleton, dough boy.
Is this the best you can do? Come back when you actually have the
intellectual capability to play with the big boys.
Inability to answer the question noted and expected.
Now you're flattering yourself on top of lying, which is normal for
you. You didn't ask a question. You simply wrote one of your little
insults. I chose not to be offended by it, and it irritates you. Too
bad.
Post by k***@yahoo.com
I am your superior
in every "capability", Dough Boy, and don't you forget it.
In your dreams, junior.
k***@yahoo.com
2006-12-20 12:20:27 UTC
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Post by k***@yahoo.com
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by k***@yahoo.com
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by C***@Knicklas.com
On 19 Dec 2006 05:28:53 -0800, "MFOgilvie"
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
Who gives a rat's ass about "india"?
That's got nothing to do with America.
Considering your hatred for the Christian faith, I figure you will take
notes. After all, they are doing to Christians what you want to do.
You're just jealous.
Why do you continue to entertain the fantasy that you are a worthy
spokesperson for Christianity, Pop 'n Fresh. You don't even practice it
let alone understand it! If I were a believer I'd probably suspect that
you are Satan's tool, unleashed to make Christianity look bad! You're a
simpleton, dough boy.
Is this the best you can do? Come back when you actually have the
intellectual capability to play with the big boys.
Inability to answer the question noted and expected.
Now you're flattering yourself on top of lying, which is normal for
you. You didn't ask a question.
Um, excuse me, Pop 'n Fresh? My post started out with "Why do you...".
Free clue for the clueless; that was a question. LOL!
Post by MFOgilvie
You simply wrote one of your little
insults. I chose not to be offended by it, and it irritates you. Too
bad.
Post by k***@yahoo.com
I am your superior
in every "capability", Dough Boy, and don't you forget it.
In your dreams, junior.
Sorry dough boy but my dreams are set considerably higher than that.
Being your superior is nothing special.
Dr. Barry Worthington
2006-12-19 15:03:04 UTC
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and Burl
Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful family
photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox, every
December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's persecution of
the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has the secular left's
legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a threat is enough to
pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's Sea-Tac airport. And
elementary school principles no longer wait for the stray Wiccan parent
to complain before they scurry around banning red and green
construction paper from decoration activities and "Away in a
Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.
So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also arrives my
wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships the
Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This year,
however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who daily
live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.
For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia (GFA)
hosted a small collection of journalists for an informational tour of
India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a network
of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is in a
unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in Asia.
The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face is
violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country from
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
¨ On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar Pradesh.
All their Gospel literature was burned.
Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such incidents
are common throughout the Northern region.
¨ On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of Jammu
and Kashmir.
¨ On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady in
Karnataka.
¨ On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned to
death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery of a
church in the Dharamasala region of India .
Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.
Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with GFA
missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard numerous
first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of Christ.
Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten, and sometimes
killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems like petulant
child's play in comparison.
While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square, few
have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in India .
Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter was
interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers in
attendance to leave the building before descending on the women and
children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the year, i
nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building that was
under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby temporary
shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into the
construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.
Matt, just in case you haven't noticed, the majority of these
deplorable incidents were almost certainly perpetrated by right-wing
nationalist Hindu religious nutters. They certainly are not secular.
Far from it. They are opposed to India's secular political constitution
and its tradition of religious tolerance that extends back to the
Mughal Emperors and beyond.

One right-wing religious nutter is the same as another, the world over.

Dr. Barry Worthington
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and Burl
Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful
family photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox,
every December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's
persecution of the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has the
secular left's legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a
threat is enough to pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's
Sea-Tac airport. And elementary school principles no longer wait for
the stray Wiccan parent to complain before they scurry around banning
red and green construction paper from decoration activities and "Away
in a Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.
So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also arrives
my wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships the
Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This year,
however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who daily
live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.
For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia
(GFA) hosted a small collection of journalists for an informational
tour of India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a network
of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is in
a unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in
Asia.
The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face is
violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country
š On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
š On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar
Pradesh. All their Gospel literature was burned.
Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such incidents
are common throughout the Northern region.
š On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of Jammu
and Kashmir.
š On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady in
Karnataka.
š On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned to
death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery of a
church in the Dharamasala region of India .
Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.
Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with GFA
missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard numerous
first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of
Christ. Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten, and
sometimes killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems like
petulant child's play in comparison.
While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square,
few have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in
India . Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter was
interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers in
attendance to leave the building before descending on the women and
children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the year,
i nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building that
was under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby temporary
shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into
the construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.
Matt, just in case you haven't noticed, the majority of these
deplorable incidents were almost certainly perpetrated by right-wing
nationalist Hindu religious nutters. They certainly are not secular.
Far from it. They are opposed to India's secular political
constitution and its tradition of religious tolerance that extends
back to the Mughal Emperors and beyond.
One right-wing religious nutter is the same as another, the world over.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Absolutely, all brothers under the skin... Islamic Fundies, Hindu
Fundies, Christian Fundies, Easter-Bunny Fundies... all the same.

Can you just imagine the frothing and foaming and worse from these
christo-facists if the Ayatollahs in Iran sent over a few hundred Immans
and started up schools and mosques and set about converting americans?

rotfl..

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2006-12-19 15:30:24 UTC
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and Burl
Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful
family photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox,
every December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's
persecution of the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has the
secular left's legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a
threat is enough to pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's
Sea-Tac airport. And elementary school principles no longer wait for
the stray Wiccan parent to complain before they scurry around banning
red and green construction paper from decoration activities and "Away
in a Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.
So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also arrives
my wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships the
Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This year,
however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who daily
live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.
For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia
(GFA) hosted a small collection of journalists for an informational
tour of India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a network
of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is in
a unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in
Asia.
The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face is
violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to Christianity.
¨ On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar
Pradesh. All their Gospel literature was burned.
Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such incidents
are common throughout the Northern region.
¨ On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of Jammu
and Kashmir.
¨ On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady in
Karnataka.
¨ On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned to
death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery of a
church in the Dharamasala region of India .
Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.
Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with GFA
missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard numerous
first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of
Christ. Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten, and
sometimes killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems like
petulant child's play in comparison.
While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square,
few have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in
India . Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter was
interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers in
attendance to leave the building before descending on the women and
children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the year,
i nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building that
was under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby temporary
shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into
the construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.
Matt, just in case you haven't noticed, the majority of these
deplorable incidents were almost certainly perpetrated by right-wing
nationalist Hindu religious nutters. They certainly are not secular.
Far from it. They are opposed to India's secular political
constitution and its tradition of religious tolerance that extends
back to the Mughal Emperors and beyond.
One right-wing religious nutter is the same as another, the world over.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Absolutely, all brothers under the skin... Islamic Fundies, Hindu
Fundies, Christian Fundies, Easter-Bunny Fundies... all the same.
Your continued hatred of Christianity is duly noted.
Post by MFOgilvie
Can you just imagine the frothing and foaming and worse from these
christo-facists if the Ayatollahs in Iran sent over a few hundred Immans
and started up schools and mosques and set about converting americans?
Yes I can...none at all. In case you have not been paying attention,
America has many mosques right now. And guess what, sunshine? The
Christians are perfectly willing to let them practice their religion.
Quite a novel concept, maybe liberals should try it sometime.
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2006-12-19 16:59:50 UTC
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and Burl
Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful
family photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox,
every December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's
persecution of the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has the
secular left's legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a
threat is enough to pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's
Sea-Tac airport. And elementary school principles no longer wait for
the stray Wiccan parent to complain before they scurry around banning
red and green construction paper from decoration activities and "Away
in a Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.
So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also arrives
my wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships the
Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This year,
however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who daily
live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.
For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia
(GFA) hosted a small collection of journalists for an
informational
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tour of India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a network
of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is in
a unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in
Asia.
The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face is
violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country
š On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam , India
forced nine families from their homes for converting to
Christianity.
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š On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar
Pradesh. All their Gospel literature was burned.
Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such incidents
are common throughout the Northern region.
š On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of Jammu
and Kashmir.
š On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady in
Karnataka.
š On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned to
death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery of a
church in the Dharamasala region of India .
Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.
Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with GFA
missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard
numerous
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of
Christ. Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten, and
sometimes killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems like
petulant child's play in comparison.
While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square,
few have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in
India . Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter was
interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers in
attendance to leave the building before descending on the women and
children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the year,
i nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building that
was under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby
temporary
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into
the construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.
Matt, just in case you haven't noticed, the majority of these
deplorable incidents were almost certainly perpetrated by right-
wing
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nationalist Hindu religious nutters. They certainly are not
secular.
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Far from it. They are opposed to India's secular political
constitution and its tradition of religious tolerance that extends
back to the Mughal Emperors and beyond.
One right-wing religious nutter is the same as another, the world over.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Absolutely, all brothers under the skin... Islamic Fundies, Hindu
Fundies, Christian Fundies, Easter-Bunny Fundies... all the same.
Your continued hatred of Christianity is duly noted.
Post by Amanda Williams
Can you just imagine the frothing and foaming and worse from these
christo-facists if the Ayatollahs in Iran sent over a few hundred Immans
and started up schools and mosques and set about converting
americans?
Post by MFOgilvie
Yes I can...none at all. In case you have not been paying attention,
America has many mosques right now. And guess what, sunshine? The
Christians are perfectly willing to let them practice their religion.
Quite a novel concept, maybe liberals should try it sometime.
THat's NOT what I stated OGGLETURD, we are talking about an organised
attempt to convert... that is NOT simply "practicing"

There are an estimated 30,000,000 christians in India, have been for
thousands of years, they have been living and peacefully practicing
their religion for all that time.

It's you drooling christian fundies that are stirring up trouble (as
usual) and then when you get it you start whining and crying like little
babies.

I don't remember Mother Theresa having any problems... but then she
actually FOLLOWED the teachings of Jesus unlike you cultists.

--
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and
Burl
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
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Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful
family photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox,
every December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's
persecution of the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has
the
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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secular left's legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a
threat is enough to pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's
Sea-Tac airport. And elementary school principles no longer wait
for
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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the stray Wiccan parent to complain before they scurry around
banning
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red and green construction paper from decoration activities and
"Away
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in a Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.
So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also
arrives
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Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
my wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships
the
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Post by Amanda Williams
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Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This
year,
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however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who
daily
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.
For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia
(GFA) hosted a small collection of journalists for an
informational
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
tour of India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a
network
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
a unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in
Asia.
The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face
is
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam ,
India
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
forced nine families from their homes for converting to
Christianity.
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar
Pradesh. All their Gospel literature was burned.
Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such
incidents
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
are common throughout the Northern region.
¨ On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of
Jammu
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Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
and Kashmir.
¨ On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
Karnataka.
¨ On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned
to
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Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery
of a
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Post by Amanda Williams
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Post by MFOgilvie
church in the Dharamasala region of India .
Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.
Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with
GFA
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard
numerous
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of
Christ. Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten,
and
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
sometimes killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems
like
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
petulant child's play in comparison.
While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square,
few have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in
India . Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter
was
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
attendance to leave the building before descending on the women
and
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the
year,
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
i nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building
that
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was under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby
temporary
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shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into
the construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.
Matt, just in case you haven't noticed, the majority of these
deplorable incidents were almost certainly perpetrated by right-
wing
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
nationalist Hindu religious nutters. They certainly are not
secular.
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Far from it. They are opposed to India's secular political
constitution and its tradition of religious tolerance that extends
back to the Mughal Emperors and beyond.
One right-wing religious nutter is the same as another, the world over.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Absolutely, all brothers under the skin... Islamic Fundies, Hindu
Fundies, Christian Fundies, Easter-Bunny Fundies... all the same.
Your continued hatred of Christianity is duly noted.
Post by Amanda Williams
Can you just imagine the frothing and foaming and worse from these
christo-facists if the Ayatollahs in Iran sent over a few hundred
Immans
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
and started up schools and mosques and set about converting
americans?
Post by MFOgilvie
Yes I can...none at all. In case you have not been paying attention,
America has many mosques right now. And guess what, sunshine? The
Christians are perfectly willing to let them practice their religion.
Quite a novel concept, maybe liberals should try it sometime.
THat's NOT what I stated OGGLETURD, we are talking about an organised
attempt to convert... that is NOT simply "practicing"
All religions organize themselves to minister to others to convert
them. So my statement remains fact.
Post by MFOgilvie
There are an estimated 30,000,000 christians in India, have been for
thousands of years, they have been living and peacefully practicing
their religion for all that time.
It's you drooling christian fundies that are stirring up trouble (as
usual) and then when you get it you start whining and crying like little
babies.
I assume you have proof of this alleged "trouble", hmmmm?
Post by MFOgilvie
I don't remember Mother Theresa having any problems... but then she
actually FOLLOWED the teachings of Jesus unlike you cultists.
So Christianity is now a cult? Boy, you liberals sure are an
intolerant bunch.
Kevin Cunningham
2006-12-19 19:32:30 UTC
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and
Burl
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful
family photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox,
every December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's
persecution of the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has
the
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
secular left's legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a
threat is enough to pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's
Sea-Tac airport. And elementary school principles no longer wait
for
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
the stray Wiccan parent to complain before they scurry around
banning
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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Post by MFOgilvie
red and green construction paper from decoration activities and
"Away
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in a Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.
So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also
arrives
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Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
my wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships
the
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Post by Amanda Williams
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Post by MFOgilvie
Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This
year,
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Post by Amanda Williams
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however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who
daily
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.
For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia
(GFA) hosted a small collection of journalists for an
informational
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
tour of India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a
network
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
a unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in
Asia.
The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face
is
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam ,
India
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
forced nine families from their homes for converting to
Christianity.
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar
Pradesh. All their Gospel literature was burned.
Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such
incidents
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are common throughout the Northern region.
¨ On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of
Jammu
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and Kashmir.
¨ On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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Post by MFOgilvie
Karnataka.
¨ On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned
to
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Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery
of a
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Post by Amanda Williams
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church in the Dharamasala region of India .
Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.
Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with
GFA
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard
numerous
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of
Christ. Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten,
and
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
sometimes killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems
like
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
petulant child's play in comparison.
While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square,
few have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in
India . Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter
was
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
attendance to leave the building before descending on the women
and
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the
year,
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
i nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building
that
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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was under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby
temporary
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into
the construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.
Matt, just in case you haven't noticed, the majority of these
deplorable incidents were almost certainly perpetrated by right-
wing
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
nationalist Hindu religious nutters. They certainly are not
secular.
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Far from it. They are opposed to India's secular political
constitution and its tradition of religious tolerance that extends
back to the Mughal Emperors and beyond.
One right-wing religious nutter is the same as another, the world over.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Absolutely, all brothers under the skin... Islamic Fundies, Hindu
Fundies, Christian Fundies, Easter-Bunny Fundies... all the same.
Your continued hatred of Christianity is duly noted.
Post by Amanda Williams
Can you just imagine the frothing and foaming and worse from these
christo-facists if the Ayatollahs in Iran sent over a few hundred
Immans
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
and started up schools and mosques and set about converting
americans?
Post by MFOgilvie
Yes I can...none at all. In case you have not been paying attention,
America has many mosques right now. And guess what, sunshine? The
Christians are perfectly willing to let them practice their religion.
Quite a novel concept, maybe liberals should try it sometime.
THat's NOT what I stated OGGLETURD, we are talking about an organised
attempt to convert... that is NOT simply "practicing"
All religions organize themselves to minister to others to convert
them. So my statement remains fact.
Post by MFOgilvie
There are an estimated 30,000,000 christians in India, have been for
thousands of years, they have been living and peacefully practicing
their religion for all that time.
It's you drooling christian fundies that are stirring up trouble (as
usual) and then when you get it you start whining and crying like little
babies.
I assume you have proof of this alleged "trouble", hmmmm?
Post by MFOgilvie
I don't remember Mother Theresa having any problems... but then she
actually FOLLOWED the teachings of Jesus unlike you cultists.
So Christianity is now a cult? Boy, you liberals sure are an
intolerant bunch.
The name sure as heck indicates a cult to me but I'm a christian. The
far right has taken over the word so you see rich churches who wouldn't
let a poor person like christ in. Ok, lets call me a freddists. I
worship fred the father and his only son also called fred. Now the
neat part is we freddists will read the bible and follow its teachings
like giving to the poor, not to the rich, forgiving every one, ya' know
all that stuff that fred taught.

Try reading the sermon on the mount. Thats so weird you'd never hear a
right wing preacher say that you should forgive people. Nope, let 'em
suffer, hey, their down so it a good time to kick 'em.

"Its is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a
rich man to ascend in to heaven"
Gr
2006-12-19 17:33:25 UTC
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and
Burl
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful
family photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox,
every December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's
persecution of the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has
the
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
secular left's legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a
threat is enough to pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's
Sea-Tac airport. And elementary school principles no longer wait
for
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
the stray Wiccan parent to complain before they scurry around
banning
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
red and green construction paper from decoration activities and
"Away
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
in a Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.
So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also
arrives
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
my wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships
the
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This
year,
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who
daily
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.
For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia
(GFA) hosted a small collection of journalists for an
informational
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
tour of India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a
network
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
a unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in
Asia.
The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face
is
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country
š On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam ,
India
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
forced nine families from their homes for converting to
Christianity.
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
š On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar
Pradesh. All their Gospel literature was burned.
Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such
incidents
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
are common throughout the Northern region.
š On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of
Jammu
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
and Kashmir.
š On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
Karnataka.
š On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned
to
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery
of a
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
church in the Dharamasala region of India .
Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.
Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with
GFA
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard
numerous
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of
Christ. Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten,
and
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
sometimes killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems
like
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
petulant child's play in comparison.
While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square,
few have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in
India . Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter
was
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
attendance to leave the building before descending on the women
and
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the
year,
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
i nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building
that
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
was under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby
temporary
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into
the construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.
Matt, just in case you haven't noticed, the majority of these
deplorable incidents were almost certainly perpetrated by right-
wing
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
nationalist Hindu religious nutters. They certainly are not
secular.
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Far from it. They are opposed to India's secular political
constitution and its tradition of religious tolerance that extends
back to the Mughal Emperors and beyond.
One right-wing religious nutter is the same as another, the world over.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Absolutely, all brothers under the skin... Islamic Fundies, Hindu
Fundies, Christian Fundies, Easter-Bunny Fundies... all the same.
Your continued hatred of Christianity is duly noted.
Post by Amanda Williams
Can you just imagine the frothing and foaming and worse from these
christo-facists if the Ayatollahs in Iran sent over a few hundred
Immans
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
and started up schools and mosques and set about converting
americans?
Post by MFOgilvie
Yes I can...none at all. In case you have not been paying attention,
America has many mosques right now. And guess what, sunshine? The
Christians are perfectly willing to let them practice their religion.
Quite a novel concept, maybe liberals should try it sometime.
THat's NOT what I stated OGGLETURD, we are talking about an organised
attempt to convert... that is NOT simply "practicing"
There are an estimated 30,000,000 christians in India, have been for
thousands of years, they have been living and peacefully practicing
their religion for all that time.
It's you drooling christian fundies that are stirring up trouble (as
usual) and then when you get it you start whining and crying like little
babies.
I don't remember Mother Theresa having any problems... but then she
actually FOLLOWED the teachings of Jesus unlike you cultists.
OKAY!!! This thread is over. You people keep feeding MF facts. His head is
going to explode. All he can do is throw back unproven opinion. A man has
got to know his limitations and when he is beat. MF just can't figure this
out as we can tell with his WorldNutdaily and Towhall posting. Then his
response to the facts is anger. Poor guy. It's like showing up at a gun
fight with a knife.
Post by MFOgilvie
--
AW
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MFOgilvie
2006-12-19 17:35:24 UTC
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ctive_on_the_war_on_christmas
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and
Burl
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful
family photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox,
every December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's
persecution of the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has
the
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
secular left's legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a
threat is enough to pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's
Sea-Tac airport. And elementary school principles no longer wait
for
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
the stray Wiccan parent to complain before they scurry around
banning
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
red and green construction paper from decoration activities and
"Away
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
in a Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.
So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also
arrives
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
my wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships
the
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This
year,
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who
daily
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.
For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia
(GFA) hosted a small collection of journalists for an
informational
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
tour of India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a
network
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
a unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in
Asia.
The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face
is
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country
¨ On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam ,
India
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
forced nine families from their homes for converting to
Christianity.
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
¨ On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar
Pradesh. All their Gospel literature was burned.
Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such
incidents
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
are common throughout the Northern region.
¨ On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of
Jammu
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
and Kashmir.
¨ On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
Karnataka.
¨ On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned
to
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery
of a
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by MFOgilvie
church in the Dharamasala region of India .
Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.
Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with
GFA
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missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard
numerous
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first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of
Christ. Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten,
and
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sometimes killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems
like
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petulant child's play in comparison.
While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square,
few have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in
India . Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter
was
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interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers
in
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attendance to leave the building before descending on the women
and
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children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the
year,
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i nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building
that
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was under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby
temporary
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shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into
the construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.
Matt, just in case you haven't noticed, the majority of these
deplorable incidents were almost certainly perpetrated by right-
wing
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nationalist Hindu religious nutters. They certainly are not
secular.
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Far from it. They are opposed to India's secular political
constitution and its tradition of religious tolerance that extends
back to the Mughal Emperors and beyond.
One right-wing religious nutter is the same as another, the world over.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Absolutely, all brothers under the skin... Islamic Fundies, Hindu
Fundies, Christian Fundies, Easter-Bunny Fundies... all the same.
Your continued hatred of Christianity is duly noted.
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Can you just imagine the frothing and foaming and worse from these
christo-facists if the Ayatollahs in Iran sent over a few hundred
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and started up schools and mosques and set about converting
americans?
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Yes I can...none at all. In case you have not been paying attention,
America has many mosques right now. And guess what, sunshine? The
Christians are perfectly willing to let them practice their religion.
Quite a novel concept, maybe liberals should try it sometime.
THat's NOT what I stated OGGLETURD, we are talking about an organised
attempt to convert... that is NOT simply "practicing"
There are an estimated 30,000,000 christians in India, have been for
thousands of years, they have been living and peacefully practicing
their religion for all that time.
It's you drooling christian fundies that are stirring up trouble (as
usual) and then when you get it you start whining and crying like little
babies.
I don't remember Mother Theresa having any problems... but then she
actually FOLLOWED the teachings of Jesus unlike you cultists.
OKAY!!! This thread is over.
Your concession is duly noted.
Gr
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A Little Perspective on the War on Christmas
By Megan Basham
Tuesday, December 19, 2006
It has become yet another heralding of "the most wonderful time of
the year." Along with the temporary inclusion of Bing Crosby and
Burl
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Ives into light rock radio formats, holiday sales, and cheerful
family photographs wishing "Season's Greetings" from the mailbox,
every December I have come to expect stories of the ACLU's
persecution of the Christian part of Christmas. So effective has
the
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secular left's legal onslaught been that now the mere whisper of a
threat is enough to pull down the Christmas trees in Seattle's
Sea-Tac airport. And elementary school principles no longer wait
for
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the stray Wiccan parent to complain before they scurry around
banning
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red and green construction paper from decoration activities and
"Away
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in a Manger" from Christmas pageant programs.
So, like clockwork, with the arrival of colder weather also
arrives
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my wounded sense of injustice as one of the majority who worships
the
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Jesus the city of Chicago deemed unfit to portray on film. This
year,
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however, while the stories of the ACLU's grinchiness remain as
ridiculous as ever, I'm having a little trouble mustering up my
traditional holiday outrage-and not just because the clerks at
Wal-Mart have resumed wishing me "Feliz Navidad" (I live in a
Southwestern city.) After a close encounter with believers who
daily
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live Christ's prediction, "If they persecuted me, they will
persecute you also," I can't help but blush a bit at my previous,
very vocal indignation.
For almost two-weeks in October, the organization Gospel for Asia
(GFA) hosted a small collection of journalists for an
informational
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tour of India . With 54 Bible colleges, 400 Bridge of Hope centers
(elementary-level programs for children of Dalits, India's lowest
caste), a radio ministry broadcasting in 102 languages, and a
network
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of over 16,000 native missionaries throughout the country, GFA is
in
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a unique position to provide insight on the state of the Church in
Asia.
The common challenge they say all workers in Indian ministry face
is
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violent opposition. These are but a few reports out of the country
š On November 14, villagers in the northeast state of Assam ,
India
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forced nine families from their homes for converting to
Christianity.
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š On November 17, students of a GFA Bible School were beaten and
threatened with being burned alive by a mob on a road in Uttar
Pradesh. All their Gospel literature was burned.
Simon John, a GFA regional director, acknowledges that such
incidents
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are common throughout the Northern region.
š On November 21, Bashir Ahmad Tantray was killed by unidentified
gunmen for attempting to evangelize in the northern district of
Jammu
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and Kashmir.
š On November 30 more than 50 members of an extremist Hindu group
stormed a Catholic girls' school in Karnataka, assaulting several
teachers for teaching the Bible to children. Later the same group
attacked a Carmelite seminary, desecrating the statue of Our Lady
in
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Karnataka.
š On December 7, a 23-year old Anglican charity worker was stoned
to
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death, his body found underneath a pile of rocks in the cemetery
of a
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church in the Dharamasala region of India .
Of course, I am annoyed when I hear that liberal atheists are once
again protesting a courthouse crèche-but I likely would be more
annoyed to be on the Christian end of any of the above incidents.
Only a handful of such stories even make the news. Meeting with
GFA
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missionaries, pastors, and Bible college students, I heard
numerous
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first-person accounts of sacrifices made to become followers of
Christ. Disowned by families, driven from homes, jailed, beaten,
and
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Post by Amanda Williams
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sometimes killed, America 's version of anti-Jesus hatred seems
like
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petulant child's play in comparison.
While state-side secularists stir up trouble in the public square,
few have shown the temerity to enter our very churches. Not so in
India . Gospel for Asia's church service in Karnataka last Easter
was
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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interrupted by masked men who waited for the husbands and fathers
in
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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attendance to leave the building before descending on the women
and
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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children, beating some to the point of collapse. Earlier in the
year,
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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i nsurgents burned to the ground a GFA Believers Church building
that
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was under construction. The fire also destroyed the nearby
temporary
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shelters of GFA missionaries. During another attack on the same
building site, Hindu extremists fired 40 rounds of ammunition into
the construction area. Miraculously, no one was killed.
Matt, just in case you haven't noticed, the majority of these
deplorable incidents were almost certainly perpetrated by right-
wing
Post by MFOgilvie
Post by Amanda Williams
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nationalist Hindu religious nutters. They certainly are not
secular.
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Post by Amanda Williams
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Far from it. They are opposed to India's secular political
constitution and its tradition of religious tolerance that extends
back to the Mughal Emperors and beyond.
One right-wing religious nutter is the same as another, the world over.
Dr. Barry Worthington
Absolutely, all brothers under the skin... Islamic Fundies, Hindu
Fundies, Christian Fundies, Easter-Bunny Fundies... all the same.
Your continued hatred of Christianity is duly noted.
Post by Amanda Williams
Can you just imagine the frothing and foaming and worse from these
christo-facists if the Ayatollahs in Iran sent over a few hundred
Immans
Post by MFOgilvie
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and started up schools and mosques and set about converting
americans?
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Yes I can...none at all. In case you have not been paying attention,
America has many mosques right now. And guess what, sunshine? The
Christians are perfectly willing to let them practice their religion.
Quite a novel concept, maybe liberals should try it sometime.
THat's NOT what I stated OGGLETURD, we are talking about an organised
attempt to convert... that is NOT simply "practicing"
There are an estimated 30,000,000 christians in India, have been for
thousands of years, they have been living and peacefully practicing
their religion for all that time.
It's you drooling christian fundies that are stirring up trouble (as
usual) and then when you get it you start whining and crying like little
babies.
I don't remember Mother Theresa having any problems... but then she
actually FOLLOWED the teachings of Jesus unlike you cultists.
OKAY!!! This thread is over.
Your concession is duly noted.

BOOOOMMM!!!! There it went. Luckily nothing in there to make much of a mess.
k***@hotmail.com
2006-12-19 17:33:06 UTC
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Ok, so a bunch of Muslim and Arab countries harping on fledgling
christians (whom are the extreme minority)

And any of this applies to American Christmas how? where over 90% of
the population is christian?

If a church gets burned by Abu-Muslimballa in a small town of
Uttar-Shithole does not mean that over night the Entire United States
will suddenly transform into a communist satanic country that doesnt
celebrate christmas.
MFOgilvie
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Ok, so a bunch of Muslim and Arab countries harping on fledgling
christians (whom are the extreme minority)
And any of this applies to American Christmas how? where over 90% of
the population is christian?
Like I told that shithead Roselles, I'm surprised you liberals aren't
taking notes. After all, the bums in India are doing what all of you
want to do. That's the whole point.
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If a church gets burned by Abu-Muslimballa in a small town of
Uttar-Shithole does not mean that over night the Entire United States
will suddenly transform into a communist satanic country that doesnt
celebrate christmas.
That has nothing to do with the point of the article.
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