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How-weird Dean's Tax Increases
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Frog
2003-12-07 18:32:14 UTC
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http://tinyurl.com/orfj

If you want to know why Howard Dean would be such a horrible
candidate for the Dems in 2004, look no further than the
reaction of his campaign manager to a campaign ad run by the
Club for Growth... http://tinyurl.com/y4fe

I really love this ad because it talks about an important issue
to the American people, it doesn't overreach in the slightest,
and yet it's devastating to Dean. The advertisement slams Dean
for wanting to raise taxes and compares him to other Democrats
in the past who wanted to take money out of the American
people's pockets like McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis.

So how does Dean's campaign manager Joe Trippi respond to it?
Take a look...
=======
"Dean has called for rolling back all of President Bush's tax
cuts and using the money to provide health care and to relieve
the pressure on state and local taxes. Dean has not indicated he
would raise taxes beyond their previous levels, but Americans
undoubtedly would see their taxes increased if all Bush's cuts
are repealed.

Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi called the ad "absolutely
wrong" and a "bald-faced lie" because it characterizes Dean as a
tax-and-spend Democrat.
======
I could point out that the ad didn't characterize Dean as a tax-
and-spend Democrat, it just slammed him for wanting to raise
taxes, but that's not the most salient point.

What's really noteworthy here is that Dean's campaign manager is
denying that he's a tax-and-spend Democrat. Yet, repealing all
of Bush's tax cuts and spending the money is one of the core
issues that Dean has been campaigning on! For Trippi to deny
this, would be like Karl Rove denying that Bush intends to fight
the war on terrorism if he's reelected. Anyone with the
slightest, barest, tiniest shred of intellectual honesty who has
followed the Dean campaign has to admit he is going to raise
taxes and then spend the money on new programs.

How can Dean possibly beat George Bush if he's afraid to tell
the American people about something he has been running on in
the Democratic primaries practically from day one? If anybody
thinks Dean is going to get by claiming that he's a "moderate"
governor from VERMONT, who's for gun rights, and balancing the
budget, while his positions on the war, taxes, and civil unions
stay off the radar screen, they've got another think coming.
NotBush2004
2003-12-07 18:59:53 UTC
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Post by Frog
http://tinyurl.com/orfj
If you want to know why Howard Dean would be such a horrible
candidate for the Dems in 2004, look no further than the
reaction of his campaign manager to a campaign ad run by the
Club for Growth... http://tinyurl.com/y4fe
I really love this ad because it talks about an important issue
to the American people, it doesn't overreach in the slightest,
and yet it's devastating to Dean. The advertisement slams Dean
for wanting to raise taxes and compares him to other Democrats
in the past who wanted to take money out of the American
people's pockets like McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis.
In other words your post is mostly marginalizing propaganda.
Post by Frog
So how does Dean's campaign manager Joe Trippi respond to it?
Take a look...
=======
"Dean has called for rolling back all of President Bush's tax
cuts and using the money to provide health care and to relieve
the pressure on state and local taxes. Dean has not indicated he
would raise taxes beyond their previous levels, but Americans
undoubtedly would see their taxes increased if all Bush's cuts
are repealed.
Bush's tax cuts overwhelmingly favor corporations and the wealthiest
Americans. Mid-size and small businesses would benefit greatly, along with
the majority of Americans with a nationalized healthcare system. It would
take the heat off of employers and ensure healthcare for all.


--
During the last election cycle, while Frist headed the NRSC, the health care
industry increased its contributions to Republican candidates to just under
$ 4 million and became the largest industry contributor to the party.

“If you look at the money involved, it would be easy to say the medical
industry has bought itself a Senator and, now, a Senate,” says Harleigh.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_1470.shtml
General Jack D. Ripper
2003-12-07 19:29:26 UTC
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Post by NotBush2004
Post by Frog
http://tinyurl.com/orfj
If you want to know why Howard Dean would be such a horrible
candidate for the Dems in 2004, look no further than the
reaction of his campaign manager to a campaign ad run by the
Club for Growth... http://tinyurl.com/y4fe
I really love this ad because it talks about an important issue
to the American people, it doesn't overreach in the slightest,
and yet it's devastating to Dean. The advertisement slams Dean
for wanting to raise taxes and compares him to other Democrats
in the past who wanted to take money out of the American
people's pockets like McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis.
In other words your post is mostly marginalizing propaganda.
What else can he do? There's nothing good he can say about his pointy-headed
Repug heroes!
Post by NotBush2004
Post by Frog
So how does Dean's campaign manager Joe Trippi respond to it?
Take a look...
=======
"Dean has called for rolling back all of President Bush's tax
cuts and using the money to provide health care and to relieve
the pressure on state and local taxes. Dean has not indicated he
would raise taxes beyond their previous levels, but Americans
undoubtedly would see their taxes increased if all Bush's cuts
are repealed.
Bush's tax cuts overwhelmingly favor corporations and the wealthiest
Americans. Mid-size and small businesses would benefit greatly, along with
the majority of Americans with a nationalized healthcare system. It would
take the heat off of employers and ensure healthcare for all.
--
During the last election cycle, while Frist headed the NRSC, the health care
industry increased its contributions to Republican candidates to just under
$ 4 million and became the largest industry contributor to the party.
“If you look at the money involved, it would be easy to say the medical
industry has bought itself a Senator and, now, a Senate,” says Harleigh.
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_1470.shtml
--
I can no longer sit back and allow terrorist infiltration, terrorist
indoctrination, terrorist subversion, and the international terrorist
conspiracy to sap and impurify our precious bodily fluids.
Thomas T. Panto
2003-12-07 19:41:55 UTC
Permalink
You and Bush!t moved us from TRILLIONS in SURPLUS
to TRILLIONS in DEFICIT.

Your CHILDREN and CHILDREN'S CHILDREN will pay THAT TAX.

Thomas T. Panto
Post by Frog
http://tinyurl.com/orfj
If you want to know why Howard Dean would be such a horrible
candidate for the Dems in 2004, look no further than the
reaction of his campaign manager to a campaign ad run by the
Club for Growth... http://tinyurl.com/y4fe
I really love this ad because it talks about an important issue
to the American people, it doesn't overreach in the slightest,
and yet it's devastating to Dean. The advertisement slams Dean
for wanting to raise taxes and compares him to other Democrats
in the past who wanted to take money out of the American
people's pockets like McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis.
So how does Dean's campaign manager Joe Trippi respond to it?
Take a look...
=======
"Dean has called for rolling back all of President Bush's tax
cuts and using the money to provide health care and to relieve
the pressure on state and local taxes. Dean has not indicated he
would raise taxes beyond their previous levels, but Americans
undoubtedly would see their taxes increased if all Bush's cuts
are repealed.
Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi called the ad "absolutely
wrong" and a "bald-faced lie" because it characterizes Dean as a
tax-and-spend Democrat.
======
I could point out that the ad didn't characterize Dean as a tax-
and-spend Democrat, it just slammed him for wanting to raise
taxes, but that's not the most salient point.
What's really noteworthy here is that Dean's campaign manager is
denying that he's a tax-and-spend Democrat. Yet, repealing all
of Bush's tax cuts and spending the money is one of the core
issues that Dean has been campaigning on! For Trippi to deny
this, would be like Karl Rove denying that Bush intends to fight
the war on terrorism if he's reelected. Anyone with the
slightest, barest, tiniest shred of intellectual honesty who has
followed the Dean campaign has to admit he is going to raise
taxes and then spend the money on new programs.
How can Dean possibly beat George Bush if he's afraid to tell
the American people about something he has been running on in
the Democratic primaries practically from day one? If anybody
thinks Dean is going to get by claiming that he's a "moderate"
governor from VERMONT, who's for gun rights, and balancing the
budget, while his positions on the war, taxes, and civil unions
stay off the radar screen, they've got another think coming.
Hoover Duver
2003-12-07 21:07:35 UTC
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"Thomas T. Panto" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:biLAb.4858$***@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
: You and Bush!t moved us from TRILLIONS in SURPLUS
: to TRILLIONS in DEFICIT.
:
: Your CHILDREN and CHILDREN'S CHILDREN will pay THAT TAX.
:

Did you send back to the IRS the last tax breaks or rebates you had gotten?
If not you are a total hypocrite.


: Thomas T. Panto
:
:
: "Frog" <***@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
: news:***@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
: > http://tinyurl.com/orfj
: >
: > If you want to know why Howard Dean would be such a horrible
: > candidate for the Dems in 2004, look no further than the
: > reaction of his campaign manager to a campaign ad run by the
: > Club for Growth... http://tinyurl.com/y4fe
: >
: > I really love this ad because it talks about an important issue
: > to the American people, it doesn't overreach in the slightest,
: > and yet it's devastating to Dean. The advertisement slams Dean
: > for wanting to raise taxes and compares him to other Democrats
: > in the past who wanted to take money out of the American
: > people's pockets like McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis.
: >
: > So how does Dean's campaign manager Joe Trippi respond to it?
: > Take a look...
: > =======
: > "Dean has called for rolling back all of President Bush's tax
: > cuts and using the money to provide health care and to relieve
: > the pressure on state and local taxes. Dean has not indicated he
: > would raise taxes beyond their previous levels, but Americans
: > undoubtedly would see their taxes increased if all Bush's cuts
: > are repealed.
: >
: > Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi called the ad "absolutely
: > wrong" and a "bald-faced lie" because it characterizes Dean as a
: > tax-and-spend Democrat.
: > ======
: > I could point out that the ad didn't characterize Dean as a tax-
: > and-spend Democrat, it just slammed him for wanting to raise
: > taxes, but that's not the most salient point.
: >
: > What's really noteworthy here is that Dean's campaign manager is
: > denying that he's a tax-and-spend Democrat. Yet, repealing all
: > of Bush's tax cuts and spending the money is one of the core
: > issues that Dean has been campaigning on! For Trippi to deny
: > this, would be like Karl Rove denying that Bush intends to fight
: > the war on terrorism if he's reelected. Anyone with the
: > slightest, barest, tiniest shred of intellectual honesty who has
: > followed the Dean campaign has to admit he is going to raise
: > taxes and then spend the money on new programs.
: >
: > How can Dean possibly beat George Bush if he's afraid to tell
: > the American people about something he has been running on in
: > the Democratic primaries practically from day one? If anybody
: > thinks Dean is going to get by claiming that he's a "moderate"
: > governor from VERMONT, who's for gun rights, and balancing the
: > budget, while his positions on the war, taxes, and civil unions
: > stay off the radar screen, they've got another think coming.
: >
: >
: >
:
:
Thomas T. Panto
2003-12-07 21:51:54 UTC
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YOU got ONE PERCENT of the TAX breaks.
But YOU STILL have to have schools and garbage collection.
and YOU have to pay for the bombs being dropped in Iraq
and the deficit incurred by those who spend FORTUNES and give you trinkets
in exchange for your LABOR and your WAGES.

YOU got NOTHING. They build the skyscrapers and condos. Not you.
You design, build, transport, sell and buy the products, and pay taxes too.
All for mere WAGES.

Your PRICES for utilities, medicines, foods and insurance were SET to
collect money FROM YOU.

Thomas T. Panto
Post by Hoover Duver
: You and Bush!t moved us from TRILLIONS in SURPLUS
: to TRILLIONS in DEFICIT.
: Your CHILDREN and CHILDREN'S CHILDREN will pay THAT TAX.
Did you send back to the IRS the last tax breaks or rebates you had gotten?
If not you are a total hypocrite.
: Thomas T. Panto
: > http://tinyurl.com/orfj
: >
: > If you want to know why Howard Dean would be such a horrible
: > candidate for the Dems in 2004, look no further than the
: > reaction of his campaign manager to a campaign ad run by the
: > Club for Growth... http://tinyurl.com/y4fe
: >
: > I really love this ad because it talks about an important issue
: > to the American people, it doesn't overreach in the slightest,
: > and yet it's devastating to Dean. The advertisement slams Dean
: > for wanting to raise taxes and compares him to other Democrats
: > in the past who wanted to take money out of the American
: > people's pockets like McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis.
: >
: > So how does Dean's campaign manager Joe Trippi respond to it?
: > Take a look...
: > =======
: > "Dean has called for rolling back all of President Bush's tax
: > cuts and using the money to provide health care and to relieve
: > the pressure on state and local taxes. Dean has not indicated he
: > would raise taxes beyond their previous levels, but Americans
: > undoubtedly would see their taxes increased if all Bush's cuts
: > are repealed.
: >
: > Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi called the ad "absolutely
: > wrong" and a "bald-faced lie" because it characterizes Dean as a
: > tax-and-spend Democrat.
: > ======
: > I could point out that the ad didn't characterize Dean as a tax-
: > and-spend Democrat, it just slammed him for wanting to raise
: > taxes, but that's not the most salient point.
: >
: > What's really noteworthy here is that Dean's campaign manager is
: > denying that he's a tax-and-spend Democrat. Yet, repealing all
: > of Bush's tax cuts and spending the money is one of the core
: > issues that Dean has been campaigning on! For Trippi to deny
: > this, would be like Karl Rove denying that Bush intends to fight
: > the war on terrorism if he's reelected. Anyone with the
: > slightest, barest, tiniest shred of intellectual honesty who has
: > followed the Dean campaign has to admit he is going to raise
: > taxes and then spend the money on new programs.
: >
: > How can Dean possibly beat George Bush if he's afraid to tell
: > the American people about something he has been running on in
: > the Democratic primaries practically from day one? If anybody
: > thinks Dean is going to get by claiming that he's a "moderate"
: > governor from VERMONT, who's for gun rights, and balancing the
: > budget, while his positions on the war, taxes, and civil unions
: > stay off the radar screen, they've got another think coming.
: >
: >
: >
Hoover Duver
2003-12-08 10:16:13 UTC
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"Thomas T. Panto" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:%cNAb.2649$***@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
: YOU got ONE PERCENT of the TAX breaks.
: But YOU STILL have to have schools and garbage collection.
: and YOU have to pay for the bombs being dropped in Iraq
: and the deficit incurred by those who spend FORTUNES and give you trinkets
: in exchange for your LABOR and your WAGES.
:
: YOU got NOTHING. They build the skyscrapers and condos. Not you.
: You design, build, transport, sell and buy the products, and pay taxes
too.
: All for mere WAGES.
:
: Your PRICES for utilities, medicines, foods and insurance were SET to
: collect money FROM YOU.
:
: Thomas T. Panto
:

Still won't address the issue of your being a hypocrite huh?
Denial is not a river in Egypt.

:
: "Hoover Duver" <***@hwucsf.com> wrote in message
: news:rEMAb.6240$***@news1.news.adelphia.net...
: >
: > "Thomas T. Panto" <***@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
: > news:biLAb.4858$***@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
: > : You and Bush!t moved us from TRILLIONS in SURPLUS
: > : to TRILLIONS in DEFICIT.
: > :
: > : Your CHILDREN and CHILDREN'S CHILDREN will pay THAT TAX.
: > :
: >
: > Did you send back to the IRS the last tax breaks or rebates you had
: gotten?
: > If not you are a total hypocrite.
: >
: >
: > : Thomas T. Panto
: > :
: > :
: > : "Frog" <***@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
: > : news:***@Gilgamesh-frog.org...
: > : > http://tinyurl.com/orfj
: > : >
: > : > If you want to know why Howard Dean would be such a horrible
: > : > candidate for the Dems in 2004, look no further than the
: > : > reaction of his campaign manager to a campaign ad run by the
: > : > Club for Growth... http://tinyurl.com/y4fe
: > : >
: > : > I really love this ad because it talks about an important issue
: > : > to the American people, it doesn't overreach in the slightest,
: > : > and yet it's devastating to Dean. The advertisement slams Dean
: > : > for wanting to raise taxes and compares him to other Democrats
: > : > in the past who wanted to take money out of the American
: > : > people's pockets like McGovern, Mondale, and Dukakis.
: > : >
: > : > So how does Dean's campaign manager Joe Trippi respond to it?
: > : > Take a look...
: > : > =======
: > : > "Dean has called for rolling back all of President Bush's tax
: > : > cuts and using the money to provide health care and to relieve
: > : > the pressure on state and local taxes. Dean has not indicated he
: > : > would raise taxes beyond their previous levels, but Americans
: > : > undoubtedly would see their taxes increased if all Bush's cuts
: > : > are repealed.
: > : >
: > : > Dean campaign manager Joe Trippi called the ad "absolutely
: > : > wrong" and a "bald-faced lie" because it characterizes Dean as a
: > : > tax-and-spend Democrat.
: > : > ======
: > : > I could point out that the ad didn't characterize Dean as a tax-
: > : > and-spend Democrat, it just slammed him for wanting to raise
: > : > taxes, but that's not the most salient point.
: > : >
: > : > What's really noteworthy here is that Dean's campaign manager is
: > : > denying that he's a tax-and-spend Democrat. Yet, repealing all
: > : > of Bush's tax cuts and spending the money is one of the core
: > : > issues that Dean has been campaigning on! For Trippi to deny
: > : > this, would be like Karl Rove denying that Bush intends to fight
: > : > the war on terrorism if he's reelected. Anyone with the
: > : > slightest, barest, tiniest shred of intellectual honesty who has
: > : > followed the Dean campaign has to admit he is going to raise
: > : > taxes and then spend the money on new programs.
: > : >
: > : > How can Dean possibly beat George Bush if he's afraid to tell
: > : > the American people about something he has been running on in
: > : > the Democratic primaries practically from day one? If anybody
: > : > thinks Dean is going to get by claiming that he's a "moderate"
: > : > governor from VERMONT, who's for gun rights, and balancing the
: > : > budget, while his positions on the war, taxes, and civil unions
: > : > stay off the radar screen, they've got another think coming.
: > : >
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
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