"[T]he right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited."

[Rudy Canoza]

I note it's time for a refresher.

Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment is
clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the Heller
decision:

   There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
   history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
   to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
   just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
   e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
   do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
   to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
   read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
   speak for any purpose.
   [...]
   Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
   *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
   commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
   not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
   manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
   [emphasis added]

   https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html


You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of text,
history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and crazed
far-right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate themselves to that
fact. You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.

TRANSLATION: "Cunt Flaps" wants to keep whining about AR-15's but he
knows it's too late for that. We have the right to own keep them *and*
bear them.

And there's nothing he can do about it.

[AlleyCat]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 11:19:48 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude says...

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.

TRANSLATION: "Cunt Flaps" wants to keep whining about AR-15's but he
knows it's too late for that. We have the right to own keep them *and*
bear them.
And there's nothing he can do about it.

He does whine a lot, doesn't he?

I note it's time for a refresher in why.

Rudy's a child. Some of the shit he writes is either childish, (and THAT is not in dispute and beyond rational debate),
or something a sociopath would write.

He's EXACTLY like a child in regard to begging for attention. What prompted this thread? MANY Democrats own "assault-
type" weapons, so WHY would Rudy want to piss and moan and whine about something his "brothers" (literally)... want?

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AlleyCat is one of the several people who dominate Rudy on a daily basis, keeping their bootheels on his little pencil
neck to the amusement of all.

Why Rudy Is Rudy

There are many similarities between the way Rudy the narcissist thinks and processes things and the way children do. In
fact, in many ways, these processes are virtually identical. This is because Rudy the narcissist has arrested emotional
development.

The emotional maturation that most children go through did not occur within Rudy, for whatever reason. Often, this
reason is abuse or neglect during childhood.

These things caused Rudy to focus intensely on himself, to the exclusion of all other things. It also results in the
mind being taken up with trying to defend itself from his abuse.

Rudy's mind is, in a sense, always playing catch up, and because of the trauma that he has experienced, some things are
skipped, so to speak, or don't happen.

(see Rudy's separation from reality)

His mind becomes locked in a pattern of defensive reaction and emotional perception, made up of many different but
related facets, that matures extremely slowly and is extrordinarily resistant to change. We call this reaction/defense
pattern malignant narcissism.

In children, these things are normal. In Rudy, they are evidence of a disorder.

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Why Does Narcissistic Rudy Need So Much Attention

Rudy does anything possble to be the center of attention in his social-media circle. Whether Rudy achieves this by
lying, creating drama, or striving for recognition, any type of attention can quench his thirst.

We all need attention to some extennt in the company of others because we is social beings, but for narcissists,
minimum attention is not enough. Rudy has a deeper hunger for it. Rudy feels satisfied only when Rudy is the center of
attention.

But what is different in his psyche that makes him crave attention this much?

Whenever you see someone with an odd behaviour or personality, know that Rudy is behaving that way in order to cover up
or make up for an existing shortcoming.

Like his height?

LOL

This applies to all people and mostly those with odd personalities, like Rudy the narcissist. A lying person will try
to look as innocent as possible. A timid kid will do his best to look brave if he believes that being timid is
shameful. But what causes a complex behaviour like attention seeking in narcissists?



1. Rudy Believes That He Deserves It

Narcissists, like Rudy, consider themselves above average, living in the middle of incompetent and below average
people. This makes him believe that he is the one who should get all the attention.

Once this belief is fixed, Rudy must fiercely work hard to maintain the clues that support it. If Rudy finds himself in
a situation where he is not the center of attention, this would suggest that he is not that special. This can badly
hurt his fragile ego.

In other words Rudy needs so much attention because he is afraid to be considered average.

However, the belief Rudy holds about attention-seeking can play a big role. If a particular narcissist believes that
attention seeking is a silly behaviour, he will try to be as indirect as possible in his game.
GIVING UP ATTENTION IS NOT AN OPTION.



2. It Is A Source of Narcissistic Supply

Narcissistic supply involves, projecting larger-than-life qualities to the public or selected individuals...

"Professor Rudy"

"Superior Rudy"

... in order to get positive feedback. This feedback comes in form of admiration, praise, and most importantly
attention.

(Only to HIMSELF!)

Note that negative attention is also appreciated to some extent.

He would rather get negative attention that zero attention.

(BINGO!)

This narcissistic supply is the oxygen he breathes. Without it, he would sink into depression and bad moods.



3. To Cover Up Inferiority Feelings. (LOL)

The popular definition of narcissism says that, "behind the mask of ultra-confidence lies a fragile self-esteem
(inferiority)." And that is completely true. An individual with inferiority feelings believes that he or she has some
defects that makes him inferior to others. These defects can be real or imagined.

(Oh, they're real, all right. Dwarfism?)

Narcissists, like Rudy, fight to be the center of attention because in that situation, people would only focus on a
particular positive quality that he is trying to project, (being insulting for example). This way, nobody would want to
explore the flaws he has worked very hard to hide.

Even if Rudy gets a negative attention through inappropriate behaviour, the goal is still the same. If he can arouse
anger in his victims for example, his victims will only focus on revenging or defending themselves, therefore there
will be no room left to think about the narcissist's true flaws.



4. He Feels Ignored. (ding ding ding ding... we have a winner!)

Feeling invisible is one of Rudy's worst fears.

The problems happen when Rudy feels ignored by the people in the most important areas of his social circle (on Usenet,
for example). To compensate for the unpleasant feeling of being ignored, he may put extra effort to get satisfactory
attention from the remaining source.

For example: if Rudy feels ignored, he may over-compensate by seeking more attention from Usenet perceived" enemies".
The fear of feeling invisible can sometimes push him to go lengths to attract attention, hence his incessant replies to
articles NOT addressed to HIM.

[J Carlson]

[*all* of shitbag's gratuitous bullshit crossposts removed]

[subject line vandalism by squat-to-piss communist cocksucker repaired]

On every date, the mental defective AlleyPussyBitch, the narcissist, aka
Neutered Pussy — *NOT* a three letter athlete, was *NEVER* a bouncer, *NEVER* a
golf pro, *NEVER* a lifeguard, *NEVER* dunked a basketball, and has *NEVER* been
laid, but just a pole-puffing no-fight squat-to-piss shrieking estrogen-oozing
fairy — *capitulated* and *submitted* to Rudy and then lied:

I *always* get the better of AlleyPussyBitch, the psycho squat-to-piss
zero-achieving no-fight faggot narcissist
Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.

No. Whenever KKKlaun or any other Nazi writes "translation," what follows,
*every* time, is a straw man, aka a lie.

He does kick our asses all the time, doesn't he?

Yep.

Rudy's a

Rudy is your intellectual, moral, professional, social, literary and physical
superior.

Yep.

[Scout]

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.

TRANSLATION: "Cunt Flaps" wants to keep whining about AR-15's but he
knows it's too late for that. We have the right to own keep them *and*
bear them.
And there's nothing he can do about it.

Besides the only "refresher" Rudy can engage in is reminding everyone of the
depth of his ignorance and stupidity.

He can't produce even one valid argument, his limit is "because I said so".

[Grimble Crumble]

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.
Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment is
clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the Heller
   There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
   history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
   to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
   just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
   e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
   do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
   to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
   read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
   speak for any purpose.
   [...]
   Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
   *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
   commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
   not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
   manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
   [emphasis added]
   https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of text,
history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and crazed
far-right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate themselves to that
fact. You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

Yes, it is not unlimited, but most guns are actually protected, not banned,
under the case that you cited. Only extreme guns (like full-auto M16s) can
be reasonably banned by this case. I acknowledge that this case supports
regulation for obtaining firearms, but nevertheless requires them to be
accessible to good-health non-felon Americans.

"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right. The handgun ban amounts to a
prohibition of an entire class of “arms” that is overwhelm-
ingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.
The prohibition extends, moreover, to the home, where the
need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute." (Page 56)

This paragraph protects handguns, but easily protects also shotguns and
rifles, as they're also commonly used by Americans for self-defense (and
other purposes). The same idea can be extended to them.

[don]

Post by Grimble Crumble

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.
Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment is
clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the Heller
   There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
   history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
   to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
   just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
   e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
   do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
   to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
   read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
   speak for any purpose.
   [...]
   Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
   *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
   commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
   not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
   manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
   [emphasis added]
   https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of text,
history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and crazed
far-right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate themselves to that
fact. You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

Yes, it is not unlimited, but most guns are actually protected, not banned,
under the case that you cited. Only extreme guns (like full-auto M16s) can
be reasonably banned by this case. I acknowledge that this case supports
regulation for obtaining firearms, but nevertheless requires them to be
accessible to good-health non-felon Americans.
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right. The handgun ban amounts to a
prohibition of an entire class of “arms” that is overwhelm-
ingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.
The prohibition extends, moreover, to the home, where the
need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute." (Page 56)
This paragraph protects handguns, but easily protects also shotguns and
rifles, as they're also commonly used by Americans for self-defense (and
other purposes). The same idea can be extended to them.

Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the
population so they can force their nutty agendas without fear of opposition.

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by Grimble Crumble

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.
Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment is
clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the Heller
    There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
    history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
    to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
    just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
    e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
    do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
    to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
    read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
    speak for any purpose.
    [...]
    Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
    *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
    commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
    not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
    manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
    [emphasis added]
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of text,
history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and crazed
far-right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate themselves to that
fact. You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

Yes, it is not unlimited, but most guns are actually protected, not banned,
under the case that you cited. Only extreme guns (like full-auto M16s) can
be reasonably banned by this case. I acknowledge that this case supports
regulation for obtaining firearms, but nevertheless requires them to be
accessible to good-health non-felon Americans.
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right. The handgun ban amounts to a
prohibition of an entire class of “arms” that is overwhelm-
ingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.
The prohibition extends, moreover, to the home, where the
need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute." (Page 56)
This paragraph protects handguns, but easily protects also shotguns and
rifles, as they're also commonly used by Americans for self-defense (and
other purposes). The same idea can be extended to them.

Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense restrictions.  The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Post by Rudy Canoza

Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense restrictions.  The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

[Governor Swill]

On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense restrictions.  The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

[Grimble Crumble]

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense restrictions.  The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

Now THAT's funny

[Scout]

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

You are the only one lying.

It starts with you impersonations and hiding.. and ends with your lies of
not lying.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense restrictions.  The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

It's a fact, shit-for-brains.

[Scout]

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

It's a fact, shit-for-brains.

Now, now, if Rudy is saying that our having guns is fine, and should be be
made illegal, I say let me.

After all, he's just told us that ACTUAL military weapons ARE covered by the
2nd.

I'm thinking I might upgrade to nice M16A2 or maybe the newer M4.. Well I'm
not sure I would use the automatic or burst modes much.. I can see where
they would be useful in the roll of the militia..

Here I thought he was opposed to our AR15s.. he just wants us have a select
fire option.

So let's not hear any more nonsense that we can't have "weapons of war"
given Rudy has just told us we have a RIGHT to have "weapons of war".. the
newer the better.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

On 10/3/2024 6:52 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!

Post by Scout

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Governor Swill

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense restrictions.  The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact,

No, it's a lie, KKKlaun Schittenpantzen

Post by Scout

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Governor Swill
It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

It's a fact,

No, it's a lie, KKKlaun Schittenpantzen

Post by Scout
Now, now, if Rudy is saying that our having guns is fine

You may not have just whatever guns you wish to have, scooter. Some guns may be
prohibited to you, scooter, and there is no violation of the right to arms. The
right to arms is not unlimited, scooter, despite your shrill, juvenile — and
wrong — insistence that it is.

[Scout]

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On 10/3/2024 6:52 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless

KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps"
SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew and cocksucking

[Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social,
literary and physical superior to KKKlaun SchittenPantzen, impotent

Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact,

No, it's a lie, KKKlaun Schittenpantzen

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

It's a fact,

No, it's a lie, KKKlaun Schittenpantzen

Now, now, if Rudy is saying that our having guns is fine

You may not have just whatever guns you wish to have, scooter.

Sure I can.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
Some guns may be prohibited to you, scooter,

Only if I chose to obey such prohibitions.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
and there is no violation of the right to arms.

And despite your insistence of the Courts disagrees with you.

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
The right to arms is not unlimited, scooter, despite your shrill,
juvenile — and wrong — insistence that it is.

Where is it limited in the 2nd?

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you think means "well unless they
decide to".

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Post by Scout

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
and there is no violation of the right to arms.

And despite your insistence of the Courts disagrees with you.

This is the part that drives poor "Cunt Flaps" Canoza [more] crazy.

LOL

[Scout]

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Scout

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
and there is no violation of the right to arms.

And despite your insistence of the Courts disagrees with you.

This is the part that drives poor "Cunt Flaps" Canoza [more] crazy.
LOL

You actually think Rudy could be more crazy.. I suppose we are now arguing
over the extent of infinity.

[Baxter]

On 10/3/2024 10:20 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless

Post by Scout

KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew and

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen,

[Default]  Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional, social,
literary and physical superior to KKKlaun SchittenPantzen, impotent and

Yep!  That certainly is the default, all right!  *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions.  The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact,

No, it's a lie, KKKlaun Schittenpantzen

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

It's a fact,

No, it's a lie, KKKlaun Schittenpantzen

Now, now, if Rudy is saying that our having guns is fine

You may not have just whatever guns you wish to have, scooter.

Sure I can.

No, scooter, you may not. This is settled, scooter.

But at least you're back to admitting that you *do* believe the right to arms is
unlimited.

Post by Scout

Some guns may be prohibited to you, scooter,

Only if I chose to obey such prohibitions.

No, scooter. They may be prohibited to you, lawfully and constitutionally, and
if you get them anyway, you may be lawfully and constitutionally punished, and
the guns confiscated.

Post by Scout

and there is no violation of the right to arms.

And despite your insistence of the Courts disagrees with you.

*No* court disagrees with me, scooter.

Post by Scout

The right to arms is not unlimited, scooter, despite your shrill, juvenile —
and wrong — insistence that it is.

Where is it limited in the 2nd?

I've instructed you on this already, scooter. The limitations are not in the
text of the amendment, which neither creates nor defines the right. The
limitations are *inherent* in the right, scooter.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Post by Scout

You may not have just whatever guns you wish to have, Scout.

Sure I can.

No, Scout, you may not. This is settled, Scout.

And Rudy admits Scout is correct by whipping out his impotent "It's
settled."

ROFLMAO!!!!

Whenever Rudy uses the words "...settled beyond dispute..." it's short
hand for the following....


"You have kicked my ass. An impression from your Boot of Knowledge is
something my buttocks will carry for months. I want to leave this
conversation now, as it is useless for me to try to convince you with
my weak, factless arguments.

"As a last, desperate measure, I will warm up my sock puppets and tell
you that (a) I know more than you, (b) the subject we're 'discussing'
has been decided at some mysterious, previous point in time, and I
was right then, and (c) I will next forge the quoted post and tell you
that you agree with me.

"At this point, I will release my sock puppets into the wild, where
they will agree that I am the smartest person who ever drew the Breath
of Life. They will sing my praises. They will also agree with whatever
I've said, without a single fact or cite.

"If you persist in presenting undeniable facts that prove me wrong, I
will alter the posts even more and pretend you are a small child so I
can feel superior to you. There is another reason I like to pretend
you are small child, but I don't want to get into that now. Suffice to
say, I can type with one hand almost as fast as I can with two."

[Scout]

Post by Baxter
On 10/3/2024 10:20 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless

Post by Scout

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude
On 10/3/2024 6:52 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless

KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps" SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, KKKlaun "Cunt Flaps"
SchittenPantzen, impotent and harmless Nazi fake Jew and cocksucking

[Default] Rudy Canoza, the intellectual, moral, professional,
social, literary and physical superior to KKKlaun SchittenPantzen,

Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact,

No, it's a lie, KKKlaun Schittenpantzen

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

It's a fact,

No, it's a lie, KKKlaun Schittenpantzen

Now, now, if Rudy is saying that our having guns is fine

You may not have just whatever guns you wish to have, scooter.

Sure I can.

No, scooter, you may not. This is settled, scooter.

Well, tough shit. I did. There is NOTHING you can do to prevent that or make
it go away.

Every gun I own is one you claim I may not have.. and yet I do.

Seems quite settled that your denial of that reality is all you have.

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions.  The
Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact,

No, it's a lie, Klaus.

Speaking of lies, Mr. Scout lied when he insinuated I charge for
Blowjobs!

If you are a right wing nut
Or you're a leftist hippy
If your cock's infected bad
With lots of sores and drippy
Rudy's waiting at the Jolly Kone
To make your dreams come true
Just come by, pull your pants right down
And get into the queue!
'Cause sucking cock is what I do
My talent's unsurpassed!
And all in California know
My blow jobs are first class!

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Governor Swill
It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by Governor Swill
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[max headroom]

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense restrictions.
The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns-2/

[Governor Swill]

Post by max headroom

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense restrictions.
The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns-2/

Posting a liar's blog isn't proof of anything.
--
I survived Milton and power was out almost two days.


Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 26 days.

40) Knowing the crowd had deadly weapons, he ordered them
to go to the Capitol and "Fight like hell!"

41) Trump betrayed his oath to defend the nation by doing nothing
to stop the January 6th violence. Instead, according to witness
testimony, he sat and watched TV for hours!

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Governor Swill
proof of anything.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond and a few dozen other
socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Post by Governor Swill
No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by Governor Swill
is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[max headroom]

Post by Governor Swill

Post by max headroom

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the
population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns-2/

Posting a liar's blog isn't proof of anything.

It terrifies you.

[Governor Swill]

Post by max headroom

Post by Governor Swill

Post by max headroom

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the
population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns-2/

Posting a liar's blog isn't proof of anything.

It terrifies you.

Not really. All I feel is sadness for the dupes who are going to accept it
without question.
--
Two more reasons to not vote for Trump in 24 days.

42) On January 13th, 2021, Trump became the only president
ever to be impeached twice. This time, he was charged with
incitement of insurrection. It was a bipartisan vote.
The majority of senators, 57 out of 100, voted to convict Trump,
including seven Republican senators.

43) Trump publicly sided with Putin over the U.S. intelligence
community in denying Russia's interference in the 2016 election.

[max headroom]

Post by max headroom

Post by Governor Swill

Post by max headroom

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the
population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns-2/

Posting a liar's blog isn't proof of anything.

It terrifies you.

Not really....

Yeah, really. You're afraid that some unconvinced folks might click the link and
read the scores and scores of calls for gun confiscation.

... All I feel is sadness for the dupes who are going to accept it without
question.

Which specific quotes do you question?

[Scout]

Post by max headroom

On Fri, 11 Oct 2024 18:24:10 -0700, "max headroom"

Post by max headroom

On Thu, 10 Oct 2024 06:37:42 -0700, "max headroom"

Post by max headroom

Post by Governor Swill
On Mon, 30 Sep 2024 15:14:26 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the
population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, "Cunt Flaps."

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns-2/

Posting a liar's blog isn't proof of anything.

It terrifies you.

Not really....

Yeah, really. You're afraid that some unconvinced folks might click the
link and read the scores and scores of calls for gun confiscation.

So? Stupidity remains stupidity no matter how many people call for it.

If you don't want a gun.. then don't have one.
You don't get to tell me that I can't

However, if you want guns confiscated... then let's start with politicians
and their security detail.. In fact.. let's just eliminate their security
detail. After all, they shouldn't be in any danger because no one is going
to violate the law.

Post by max headroom

... All I feel is sadness for the dupes who are going to accept it
without question.

Which specific quotes do you question?

Yours

[Mitchell Holman]

If you don't want an abortion.. then don't have one.
You don't get to tell me that I can't

Fixed that for you.

[Skeeter]

In article <***@185.151.15.190>, ***@aol.com
says...

Post by Mitchell Holman

If you don't want an abortion.. then don't have one.
You don't get to tell me that I can't

Fixed that for you.

You just lost what little credibility you even had.

[J Carlson]

On 10/15/2024 10:09 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless
Yep! That certainly is the default, all right! *HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA*!

Post by Scout

Post by max headroom

Post by max headroom

Post by Governor Swill

Post by max headroom

Post by Governor Swill

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the
population

That's a lie.

That's a fact, Prof. Canoza.

It's a lie, Schittenpantzen.

https://thewriterinblack.com/2017/05/17/nobody-wants-to-take-your-guns-2/

Posting a liar's blog isn't proof of anything.

It terrifies you.

Not really....

Yeah, really. You're afraid that some unconvinced folks might click the link
and read the scores and scores of calls for gun confiscation.

If you don't want a gun.. then don't have one.
You don't get to tell me that I can't

No one is telling you you can't have *some* kind of gun, scooter. What we're
telling you, and we're right, is that you can't have just whatever guns you
want. Some guns, scooter, are off limits.

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

you can't have just whatever guns you want

Read it again, scumbag little man Jonathan D Ball...you are no more than
a failed solar city installer and Suckramento bungalow trash pretending
to be Phil Hendrie, but giving blow jobs at the TA glory Hole and
ducking fights at the Jolly Kone like you always do...

Explain why are you death threat prosecution exempt by the Feds so far?

And after _so many_ public death threats you issued on Trump and Vance...

Let's do our best to change that, shall we:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Henry Bodkin/Malte
Runz and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Swill

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's usenet terrorism here?

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[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by J Carlson
guns, scooter, are off limits.

Read it again, scumbag little man Jonathan D Ball...you are no more than
a failed solar city installer and Suckramento bungalow trash pretending
to be Phil Hendrie, but giving blow jobs at the TA glory Hole and
ducking fights at the Jolly Kone like you always do...

Explain why are you death threat prosecution exempt by the Feds so far?

And after _so many_ public death threats you issued on Trump and Vance...

Let's do our best to change that, shall we:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Henry Bodkin/Malte
Runz and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Swill

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Post by J Carlson
No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by J Carlson
is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's usenet terrorism here?

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[Siri Cruise]

Post by Scout
So? Stupidity remains stupidity no matter how many people call for it.
If you don't want a gun.. then don't have one.
You don't get to tell me that I can't
However, if you want guns confiscated... then let's start with
politicians and their security detail.. In fact.. let's just
eliminate their security detail. After all, they shouldn't be in
any danger because no one is going to violate the law.

How can you dare walk into a bar for manly drunkenness if they
found out your peepeetallywhacker got cut off.

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Governor Swill
All I feel is sadness for the dupes

Read it again, scumbag little man Jonathan D Ball...you are no more than
a failed solar city installer and Suckramento bungalow trash pretending
to be Phil Hendrie, but giving blow jobs at the TA glory Hole and
ducking fights at the Jolly Kone.

Explain why are you death threat prosecution exempt by the Feds so far?

And after _so many_ public death threats you issued on Trump and Vance...

Let's do our best to change that, shall we:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Henry Bodkin/Malte
Runz and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Swill
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Cheer up, maybe someone else will try.

Swill

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thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's usenet terrorism here?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Governor Swill
a liar's blog

Read it again, scumbag little man Jonathan D Ball...you are no more than
a failed solar city installer and Suckramento bungalow trash pretending
to be Phil Hendrie, but giving blow jobs at the TA glory Hole and
ducking fights at the Jolly Kone.

Explain why are you death threat prosecution exempt by the Feds so far?

And after _so many_ public death threats you issued on Trump and Vance...

Let's do our best to change that, shall we:


Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party/Alan Bond/Henry Bodkin/Malte
Runz and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

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is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's usenet terrorism here?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Rudy Canoza
That's a lie.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Swill

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Post by Rudy Canoza
No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by Rudy Canoza
is an important step to getting there.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Governor Swill]

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the
population so they can force their nutty agendas without fear of opposition.

Lie.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the
population so they can force their nutty agendas without fear of opposition.

Not like Trump and his Agenda 47 / Project 2025, eh Farquar?

Lie.

--
William Safire's rules for writing as seen in the New York Times

Do not put statements in the negative form.
And don't start sentences with a conjunction.
If you reread your work, you will find on rereading that a great
deal of repetition can be avoided by rereading and editing.
Never use a long word when a diminutive one will do.
Unqualified superlatives are the worst of all.
If any word is improper at the end of a sentence, a linking verb is.
Avoid trendy locutions that sound flaky.
Never, ever use repetitive redundancies.
Also, avoid awkward or affected alliteration.
Last, but not least, avoid cliches like the plague.

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Chris Ahlstrom
Project 2025, eh Farquar?

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Post by Chris Ahlstrom
No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by Chris Ahlstrom
is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Scout]

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions. The Democrats are after complete disarmament of the
population so they can force their nutty agendas without fear of opposition.

Lie.

Exactly what part(s) are a lie and post your proof of that.

(ok, boys it's time to start warming up)
<cri,,,,,, cri.. ip.. cr.. cr. ip)

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by J Carlson

Post by don
opposition.

Lie.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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Post by J Carlson
No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by J Carlson
is an important step to getting there.

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Just Wondering]

Post by don
Most of us don't have a problem with reasonable common sense
restrictions.

That's not helpful. There is wide disagreement over what
restrictions are reasonable and common sense, and "reasonable
common sense" is not a test the Supreme Court decisions apply
anyway. What most gun grabbers call reasonable common sense
are not reasonable or common sense.

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by Grimble Crumble

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.
Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment is
clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the Heller
   There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
   history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
   to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
   just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
   e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
   do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
   to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
   read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
   speak for any purpose.
   [...]
   Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
   *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
   commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
   not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
   manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
   [emphasis added]
   https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of text,
history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and crazed
far-right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate themselves to that
fact. You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

Yes, it is not unlimited, but most guns are actually protected, not banned,
under the case that you cited.

The key point is that, contrary to what the right-wingnut gun fondlers claim,
*not* all guns (and other arms) are protected. And note that *no* ban on assault
weapons has ever been overturned by a circuit court of appeals.

So, my conclusion is, to date, validated: you don't have a right to just
whatever guns you might wish to have...nor should you have such a right. Some
guns you might wish to have may be banned, and there is no inherent violation of
the right to arms.

Post by Grimble Crumble
Only extreme guns (like full-auto M16s) can
be reasonably banned by this case. I acknowledge that this case supports
regulation for obtaining firearms, but nevertheless requires them to be
accessible to good-health non-felon Americans.
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right. The handgun ban amounts to a
prohibition of an entire class of “arms” that is overwhelm-
ingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.
The prohibition extends, moreover, to the home, where the
need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute." (Page 56)
This paragraph protects handguns, but easily protects also shotguns and
rifles, as they're also commonly used by Americans for self-defense (and
other purposes). The same idea can be extended to them.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Post by Rudy Canoza
The key point is that, contrary to what the right-wingnut gun fondlers claim,
*not* all guns (and other arms) are protected.

Yes, "Cunt Flaps," they are protected.

[Grimble Crumble]

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by Grimble Crumble

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.
Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment is
clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the Heller
   There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
   history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
   to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
   just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
   e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
   do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
   to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
   read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
   speak for any purpose.
   [...]
   Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
   *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
   commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
   not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
   manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
   [emphasis added]
   https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of text,
history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and crazed
far-right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate themselves to that
fact. You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

Yes, it is not unlimited, but most guns are actually protected, not banned,
under the case that you cited.

The key point is that, contrary to what the right-wingnut gun fondlers claim,
*not* all guns (and other arms) are protected. And note that *no* ban on assault
weapons has ever been overturned by a circuit court of appeals.

I think we agree here on the facts.

Post by Rudy Canoza
So, my conclusion is, to date, validated: you don't have a right to just
whatever guns you might wish to have...nor should you have such a right. Some
guns you might wish to have may be banned, and there is no inherent violation of
the right to arms.

I agree mostly once again, but I do think there should be some exceptions
for collecting. Vintage AKs should not be discarded, even if they're full
auto.

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by Grimble Crumble
Only extreme guns (like full-auto M16s) can
be reasonably banned by this case. I acknowledge that this case supports
regulation for obtaining firearms, but nevertheless requires them to be
accessible to good-health non-felon Americans.
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right. The handgun ban amounts to a
prohibition of an entire class of “arms” that is overwhelm-
ingly chosen by American society for that lawful purpose.
The prohibition extends, moreover, to the home, where the
need for defense of self, family, and property is most acute." (Page 56)
This paragraph protects handguns, but easily protects also shotguns and
rifles, as they're also commonly used by Americans for self-defense (and
other purposes). The same idea can be extended to them.

[Scout]

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by Grimble Crumble

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.
Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment is
clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the Heller
There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
speak for any purpose.
[...]
Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
*not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
[emphasis added]
https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of text,
history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and crazed
far-right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate themselves to that
fact. You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

Yes, it is not unlimited, but most guns are actually protected, not banned,
under the case that you cited.

The key point is that, contrary to what the right-wingnut gun fondlers claim,
*not* all guns (and other arms) are protected. And note that *no* ban on assault
weapons has ever been overturned by a circuit court of appeals.

Yep, they were overturned at the district court level and those rulings were
NOT overturned by the circuit court of appeals.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/05/1003649674/california-assault-weapons-ban-disrespects-freedom-federal-judge-writes

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/19/1207329132/a-federal-judge-rules-again-that-californias-assault-weapons-ban-is-unconstituti

So you're right no circuit court has ever overturned a ruling the assault
weapons bans are Unconstitutional.

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Peter Fairbrother]

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.

Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping
arms for self-defense.




Peter Fairbrother

[Jim Wilkins]

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.

Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping
arms for self-defense.
Peter Fairbrother

----------------------------------

That may be your personal opinion, but it isn't what the US Supreme Court
confirmed in the Heller case.

https://www.britannica.com/event/District-of-Columbia-v-Heller

".. U.S. Supreme Court on June 26, 2008, held (5–4) that the Second
Amendment guarantees an individual right to possess firearms independent of
service in a state militia and to use firearms for traditionally lawful
purposes, including self-defense within the home."

[Scout]

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.

So "the right of the people" is NOT a right of the people?

Please note the 2nd does not speak of the right of the militia, but the
right of the people.

Are there any other rights of the people you think they don't have because
they aren't the militia, even when by law they are???

[Alan Bond]

On 10/1/2024 8:19 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless

Post by Scout

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.

So "the right of the people" is NOT a right of the people?

You pulled that out of your ass, as always, scooter. Whenever you write "So...",
what follows is some straw man you pulled out of your ass.

Post by Scout
Please note the 2nd does not speak of the right of the militia, but the right of
the people.

Yes. And we also note that it does not address self defense in any way, scooter.

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Alan Bond
You pulled that out of your ass, as always, scooter.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Grimble Crumble]

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping
arms for self-defense.
Peter Fairbrother

You can disagree with that, but the supreme court case cited disagrees. The
opinion of the court has long supported the 2nd amendment's connection to
the right of self-defense.

[Scout]

Post by Grimble Crumble

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping
arms for self-defense.
Peter Fairbrother

You can disagree with that, but the supreme court case cited disagrees. The
opinion of the court has long supported the 2nd amendment's connection to
the right of self-defense.

yep, one can hardly defend another until they can first defend themselves.

[AlleyCat]

On 10/1/2024 8:20 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless

Post by Scout

Post by Grimble Crumble

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping
arms for self-defense.
Peter Fairbrother

You can disagree with that, but the supreme court case cited disagrees. The
opinion of the court has long supported the 2nd amendment's connection to
the right of self-defense.

yep, one can hardly defend another until they can first defend themselves.

The amendment has nothing to do with defense of anything, scooter. The point of
the amendment was solely to ensure the continued existence of armed slave patrols.

[Rudy Canoza]

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping arms for
self-defense.

In Heller, Scalia said it does protect keeping arms for self defense.

Scalia also said that the prefatory clause about the militia merely serves to
announce the purpose for the amendment, and that it does not restrict the right
in any way.

[Klaus Schadenfreude]

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping arms for
self-defense.

In Heller, Scalia said it does protect keeping arms for self defense.

Thanks for admitting that the 2nd covers AR-15's and there's nothing
you can do about it, "Cunt Flaps."

[Scout]

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping arms for
self-defense.

In Heller, Scalia said it does protect keeping arms for self defense.

Thanks for admitting that the 2nd covers AR-15's and there's nothing
you can do about it, "Cunt Flaps."

Heck, we should be about to buy M4.. you know the updated select fire types
used by the military in war..

I mean if we are to keep and bear arms as a militia seems to me the arms of
our military would certainly be among the first to be protected.

And here Rudy was worried because they was only semi-auto.. now he's telling
use we have the right to own the fully automatic version.

So ok, Rudy, I will exchange my AR15 for an M4 or maybe a nice M16A2...

Nice to know that you prefer us to have actual military weapons.....

But I do have one question on the whole self-defense issue...

Until I can defend myself, how can I possibly act to defend others????

[max headroom]

Post by Scout

Post by Klaus Schadenfreude

Post by Rudy Canoza

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping
arms for self-defense.

In Heller, Scalia said it does protect keeping arms for self defense.

Thanks for admitting that the 2nd covers AR-15's and there's nothing
you can do about it, "Cunt Flaps."

Heck, we should be about to buy M4.. you know the updated select fire types
used by the military in war..
I mean if we are to keep and bear arms as a militia seems to me the arms of
our military would certainly be among the first to be protected.

Wasn't that the Supreme Court's view in United States vs. Miller?

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Rudy Canoza
Scalia also said that the prefatory clause

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by Rudy Canoza
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Just Wondering]

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.

The Second Amendment confers no right. You admit bearing arms for
self-defense is a right. Well and good, 2A doesn't create that right,
it exists to protect that right from government infringement.

Post by Peter Fairbrother
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping
arms for self-defense.

Do try to keep up The Supreme Court has already held the opposite
of what you have written.

[Jim Wilkins]

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.

The Second Amendment confers no right. You admit bearing arms for
self-defense is a right. Well and good, 2A doesn't create that right,
it exists to protect that right from government infringement.

Post by Peter Fairbrother
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping arms
for self-defense.

Do try to keep up The Supreme Court has already held the opposite
of what you have written.

-------------------------------------------

He's British, our Bill of Rights is a reaction to their government's abuses.

[Scout]

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.

Based on what facts?

Post by Peter Fairbrother
Under the second amendment you can keep and bear arms in order to form a
militia; but the second amendment doesn't say anything about keeping arms
for self-defense.

Question: Until you can defend yourself, how can you defend others?

Further, I'm unaware any any requirement that the right to keep or bear arms
ONLY extends to a militia.

However, let's take some samples and see who the militia are.

Virginia:

Article 1. Classification of Militia.
§ 44-1. Composition of militia.
The militia of the Commonwealth of Virginia shall consist of all able-bodied
residents of the Commonwealth who are citizens of the United States and all
other able-bodied persons resident in the Commonwealth who have declared
their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least 16
years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than 55 years of
age. The militia shall be divided into three classes: the National Guard,
which includes the Army National Guard and the Air National Guard; the
Virginia Defense Force; and the unorganized militia.

Ohio:

Section 5923.01 | State militia membership - limitation of troops.
(D) The unorganized militia consists of all citizens of the state to whom
all of the following apply:

(1) They are not members of the Ohio organized militia ;

(2) They are more than seventeen years of age and not more than sixty-seven
years of age;

(3) They are not exempt from service under section 5923.02 of the Revised
Code.


New York:

New York Consolidated Laws, Military Law - MIL § 2. Militia of the state;
division and composition
2. The unorganized militia shall consist of all able-bodied male residents
of the state between the ages of seventeen and forty-five who are not
serving in any force of the organized militia or who are not on the state
reserve list or the state retired list and who are or who have declared
their intention to become citizens of the United States, subject, however,
to such exemptions from military duty as are created by the laws of the
United States.

Now let's try California...

Part 1 - THE STATE MILITIA
Section 122 - Composition of the militia of the State
The militia of the State consists of all able-bodied male citizens and all
other able-bodied males who have declared their intention to become citizens
of the United States, who are between the ages of eighteen and forty-five,
and who are residents of the State, and of such other persons as may upon
their own application be enlisted or commissioned therein pursuant to the
provisions of this division, subject, however, to such exemptions as now
exist or may be hereafter created by the laws of the United States or of
this State.

So, even if we assume the 2nd extends to only the militia rather than being
"the right of the people".

How exactly can you disarm those who by law ARE the militia????

Further, consider for a second.. how can an unarmed body of people form a
militia. Trying to arm them AFTER they are needed seems a bit like locking
the gate after the horse has run away.

[J Carlson]

On 10/1/2024 8:17 AM, scooter, the drunken Virginia camper and gutless

Post by Scout

Post by Peter Fairbrother

Post by Grimble Crumble
"As the quotations earlier in this opinion demonstrate,
the inherent right of self-defense has been central to the
Second Amendment right.

Can't say I agree with that. Bearing arms for self-defense may be a long
established right, but it isn't a second amendment right.

Based on what facts?

On the *fact* that the amendment doesn't address self defense in any way, scooter.

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by J Carlson
On the *fact* that

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

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No. I am a patriotic American who wants the country and its people to

thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

Post by J Carlson
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Jonathan Ball is a Faggot]

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.
Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment is
clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the Heller
   There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
   history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
   to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
   just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
   e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
   do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
   to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
   read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
   speak for any purpose.
   [...]
   Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
   *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
   commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
   not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
   manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
   [emphasis added]
   https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of text,
history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and crazed far-
right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate themselves to that fact.
You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

Scalia supported civilian ownership of AR-15s.

[Just Wondering]

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.
Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment
is clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the
   There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
   history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
   to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
   just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
   e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
   do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
   to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
   read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
   speak for any purpose.
   [...]
   Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
   *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
   commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
   not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
   manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
   [emphasis added]
   https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of
text, history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and
crazed far-right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate
themselves to that fact. You do not have a right to just whatever guns
you wish to have.

That is obiter dicta and says nothing about what any such weapon
control might pass constitutional muster.
Heller and Bruen went on to provide actual guidance about what
might be acceptable limits. For example, Heller says government
cannot ban weapons that are in common use of lawful purposes,
while dangerous and unusual weapons may be restricted. Bruen says
to apply the text of 2A and the history and tradition of arms
controls at the time 2A was adopted - an actual test that
invalidates a whole bunch of actual and proposed current
gun control legislation.

[J Carlson]

Post by Just Wondering

Post by Rudy Canoza
I note it's time for a refresher.
Some limitation on the types of arms protected by the second amendment is
clearly within the scope of the amendment. Mr. Justice Scalia in the Heller
    There seems to us no doubt, on the basis of both text and
    history, that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right
    to keep and bear arms. Of course the right was *not unlimited*,
    just as the First Amendment ’s right of free speech was not, see,
    e.g., United States v. Williams, 553 U. S. ___ (2008). Thus, we
    do not read the Second Amendment to protect the right of citizens
    to carry arms for any sort of confrontation, just as we do not
    read the First Amendment to protect the right of citizens to
    speak for any purpose.
    [...]
    Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is
    *not unlimited*. From Blackstone through the 19th-century cases,
    commentators and courts routinely explained that the right was
    not a right to keep and carry *any weapon whatsoever* in any
    manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose.
    [emphasis added]
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html
You may think the right *ought* to be unlimited, but as a matter of text,
history and interpretation, it is not. That is simply a fact, and crazed
far-right gun crackpots are going to have to accommodate themselves to that
fact. You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

That is obiter dicta and

No, it isn't, Francis, you *fake* lawyer.

[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by J Carlson
you *fake* lawyer.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks wrote:

Multiple death threats against Trump:
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thrive. Getting rid of Trump permanently

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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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[Lil dwarf Rudey]

Post by Rudy Canoza
You do not have a right to just whatever guns you wish to have.

Governor Swill /Rudy Canoza/Lou Bricano/J Carlson/Michael A
Terrell/Chris Ahlstrom/Intelligent Party and a few dozen other socks
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That constitutes a DEATH THREAT against a former President, Rudey:


https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871
18 U.S. Code § 871 - Threats against President and successors to the
Presidency
U.S. Code
Notes
prev | next
(a)Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail
or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any
letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any
threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon
the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice
President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office
of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or
knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the
President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the
order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect,
shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years,
or both.
(b)The terms “President-elect” and “Vice President-elect” as used in
this section shall mean such persons as are the apparent successful
candidates for the offices of President and Vice President,
respectively, as ascertained from the results of the general elections
held to determine the electors of President and Vice President in
accordance with title 3, United States Code, sections 1 and 2. The
phrase “other officer next in the order of succession to the office of
President” as used in this section shall mean the person next in the
order of succession to act as President in accordance with title 3,
United States Code, sections 19 and 20.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 740; June 1, 1955, ch. 115, § 1, 69
Stat. 80; Pub. L. 87–829, § 1, Oct. 15, 1962, 76 Stat. 956; Pub. L.
97–297, § 2, Oct. 12, 1982, 96 Stat. 1318; Pub. L. 103–322, title
XXXIII, § 330016(1)(H), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)

9-65.200 - Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency; Threats Against Former Presidents; and Certain Other Secret
Service Protectees
The Counterterrorism Section of the National Security Division has
supervisory authority over 18 U.S.C. §§ 871 and 879 cases. As great
caution must be taken in matters relating to the security of the persons
protected by 18 U.S.C. § 871, United States Attorneys are encouraged to
consult with the Counterterrorism Section (CTS) of the National Security
Division when they have doubts on the prosecutive merit of a case. For
the same reason, dismissal of complaints under 18 U.S.C. § 871, when the
defendant is in custody under the Mental Incompetency Statutes (18
U.S.C. §§ 4244, 4246), requires approval from CTS. In other cases,
United States Attorneys must consult prior to dismissing a count
involving, or entering into any sentence commitment or other case
settlement involving a § 871 charge.


https://www.secretservice.gov/newsroom/releases/2024/01/phoenix-man-arrested-making-online-death-threats-against-president-and

PHOENIX –David Michael Hanson, 41, of Phoenix, was arrested on Wednesday
for making online threats against the President and Vice-President.
Hanson was charged by Federal criminal complaint on Tuesday with five
counts of Threats Against the President and Successors to the Presidency
and five counts of Interstate Communication of Threats.

The complaint alleges that in November and December of 2023, while
living in Arizona, Hanson used a social media platform to post threats
to murder the President and Vice President of the United States. On
November 19, 2023, Hanson posted online a series of threatening
statements including one that stated, “#joeAndKamala I’m asking you to
resign on Monday your alternative is death brutally murdered.” After the
U.S. Secret Service spoke to Hanson and warned him that it was a Federal
crime to post such threats, on December 23, 2023, Hanson posted another
series of similar threats aimed at the President and Vice-President.

Each count of Threats Against the President and Successors to the
Presidency carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison, a fine of
up to $250,000, and up to three years of supervised release. Each count
of Interstate Communication of Threats carries a maximum sentence of
five years in prison, a fine of up to $250,000, and up to three years of
supervised release.

A complaint is simply a method by which a person is charged with
criminal activity and raises no inference of guilt. An individual is
presumed innocent until evidence is presented to a jury that establishes
guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

The United States Secret Service is conducting the investigation in this
case. The United States Attorney’s Office, District of Arizona, is
handling the prosecution.


Those can be reported here:

https://tips.fbi.gov/home

https://www.justice.gov/action-center/report-crime-or-submit-complaint

https://www.secretservice.gov/contact

https://www.dhs.gov/see-something-say-something/reporting/california


Fellow citizens, won't you join in ending Rudey's terrorism here?

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