MAGA vs. MAGA Deathmatch

[b***@panix.com]

|
| Like many observers, I expected severe buyers' regret
| fairly early in the second Trump administration. After all,
| many Americans who voted for Trump did so because they
| believed he would bring down grocery prices. He was never
| going to be able to deliver on that promise and stopped
| talking about the subject as soon as the election was over;
| sooner or later, voters were going to notice.
|
| I did not, however, expect a MAGA civil war weeks before
| Trump had even taken office. But in retrospect I should
| have seen it coming.
| ...
<https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/maga-is-already-eating-its-own-pass>

--bks

[[e-mail]]

Post by b***@panix.com
|
| Like many observers, I expected severe buyers' regret
| fairly early in the second Trump administration. After all,
| many Americans who voted for Trump did so because they
| believed he would bring down grocery prices. He was never
| going to be able to deliver on that promise and stopped
| talking about the subject as soon as the election was over;
| sooner or later, voters were going to notice.
|
| I did not, however, expect a MAGA civil war weeks before
| Trump had even taken office. But in retrospect I should
| have seen it coming.
| ...
<https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/maga-is-already-eating-its-own-pass>

This is all "expected". Pols, and esp entire branches of
govt, have to maintain (or create the illusion of) their
own 'autonomy'. It's a matter of pride, it's a matter
of politics.

Trump WILL have to make deals with the House/Senate, no
question. Fortunately he's GOOD a deals - he will get
90% of what he wants, while the reps can crow about
not being his loyal minions/slaves/lapdogs.

And this is how it works.

[Siri Cruise]

  question. Fortunately he's GOOD a deals - he will get

Nope.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| It is now fair to ask the question: Is Elon Musk a national
| security risk?
|
| According to numerous interviews and remarks, Mr. Musk's
| Department of Government Efficiency co-leader, Vivek
| Ramaswamy, once appeared to believe he was. In May 2023,
| Mr. Ramaswamy went so far as to publicly state, "I have no
| reason to think Elon won't jump like a circus monkey when
| Xi Jinping calls in the hour of need," a reference to
| China's leader. In a separate X post targeting Mr. Musk, he
| wrote, "the U.S. needs leaders who aren't in China's
| pocket."
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/opinion/elon-musk-china-classified-secrets-national-security-russia-doge.html>

--bks

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| It is now fair to ask the question: Is Elon Musk a national
| security risk?
|
| According to numerous interviews and remarks, Mr. Musk's
| Department of Government Efficiency co-leader, Vivek
| Ramaswamy, once appeared to believe he was. In May 2023,
| Mr. Ramaswamy went so far as to publicly state, "I have no
| reason to think Elon won't jump like a circus monkey when
| Xi Jinping calls in the hour of need," a reference to
| China's leader. In a separate X post targeting Mr. Musk, he
| wrote, "the U.S. needs leaders who aren't in China's
| pocket."
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/opinion/elon-musk-china-classified-
secrets-national-security-russia-doge.html>
--bks

Musk has only one priority,
making money. If he can get inside
the Trump administration to line
his own pockets he will. If he can
cozy up to Xi or Putin or Saudi
monarchs to make money he will.

Does anyone actually think he
has any loyalty to America?

[NoBody]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| It is now fair to ask the question: Is Elon Musk a national
| security risk?
|
| According to numerous interviews and remarks, Mr. Musk's
| Department of Government Efficiency co-leader, Vivek
| Ramaswamy, once appeared to believe he was. In May 2023,
| Mr. Ramaswamy went so far as to publicly state, "I have no
| reason to think Elon won't jump like a circus monkey when
| Xi Jinping calls in the hour of need," a reference to
| China's leader. In a separate X post targeting Mr. Musk, he
| wrote, "the U.S. needs leaders who aren't in China's
| pocket."
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/opinion/elon-musk-china-classified-secrets-national-security-russia-doge.html>
--bks

Laughter.

Do keep it up. It helped Trump win and will help him to continue
doing so.

Congrats on getting Trump elected!

[super70s]

Post by NoBody

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| It is now fair to ask the question: Is Elon Musk a national
| security risk?
|
| According to numerous interviews and remarks, Mr. Musk's
| Department of Government Efficiency co-leader, Vivek
| Ramaswamy, once appeared to believe he was. In May 2023,
| Mr. Ramaswamy went so far as to publicly state, "I have no
| reason to think Elon won't jump like a circus monkey when
| Xi Jinping calls in the hour of need," a reference to
| China's leader. In a separate X post targeting Mr. Musk, he
| wrote, "the U.S. needs leaders who aren't in China's
| pocket."
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/opinion/elon-musk-china-classified-secrets-national-security-russia-doge.html>
--bks

Laughter.
Do keep it up. It helped Trump win and will help him to continue
doing so.
Congrats on getting Trump elected!

An intra-Republican war over immigrant visas helped get Trump elected?

You need to come with some new routines.

[NoBody]

Post by NoBody

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| It is now fair to ask the question: Is Elon Musk a national
| security risk?
|
| According to numerous interviews and remarks, Mr. Musk's
| Department of Government Efficiency co-leader, Vivek
| Ramaswamy, once appeared to believe he was. In May 2023,
| Mr. Ramaswamy went so far as to publicly state, "I have no
| reason to think Elon won't jump like a circus monkey when
| Xi Jinping calls in the hour of need," a reference to
| China's leader. In a separate X post targeting Mr. Musk, he
| wrote, "the U.S. needs leaders who aren't in China's
| pocket."
| ...
<https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/29/opinion/elon-musk-china-classified-secrets-national-security-russia-doge.html>
--bks

Laughter.
Do keep it up. It helped Trump win and will help him to continue
doing so.
Congrats on getting Trump elected!

And Bradley has run away.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| Musk says 'hateful unrepentant racists' must be removed
| from Republican Party as visa feud deepens
| ...
<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/musk-hateful-racists-removed-republican-party-b2670826.html>

--bks

[Mitchell Holman]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| Musk says 'hateful unrepentant racists' must be removed
| from Republican Party as visa feud deepens
| ...
<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/musk-hat
eful-racists-removed-republican-party-b2670826.html>
--bks

Is Musk even a member of the
Republican Party? Texas is an open
primary state so party membership
is not required to vote.

[NoBody]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| Musk says 'hateful unrepentant racists' must be removed
| from Republican Party as visa feud deepens
| ...
<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/musk-hateful-racists-removed-republican-party-b2670826.html>
--bks

So...you are on the same side with Musk.

Laughter...

Nice job of the Independent creating an entire story out of their own
opinion though.

[NoBody]

Post by NoBody

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| Musk says 'hateful unrepentant racists' must be removed
| from Republican Party as visa feud deepens
| ...
<https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/musk-hateful-racists-removed-republican-party-b2670826.html>
--bks

So...you are on the same side with Musk.
Laughter...
Nice job of the Independent creating an entire story out of their own
opinion though.

And Bradley has vanished.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| Musk says 'hateful unrepentant racists' must be removed
| from Republican Party as visa feud deepens

|
| Former Breitbart News executive chairman Steve Bannon has
| declared war on Elon Musk, vowing to have the tech
| billionaire kicked out of the White House by the time
| Donald Trump is inaugurated.
|
| "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration
| Day," Bannon told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera
| this week. "He will not have a blue pass to the White
| House, he will not have full access to the White House, he
| will be like any other person."
| ...
<https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/11/steve-bannon-i-will-do-anything-keep-elon-musk-out-white-house/>

--bks

[Governor Swill]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| Musk says 'hateful unrepentant racists' must be removed
| from Republican Party as visa feud deepens

|
| Former Breitbart News executive chairman Steve Bannon has
| declared war on Elon Musk, vowing to have the tech
| billionaire kicked out of the White House by the time
| Donald Trump is inaugurated.
|
| "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration
| Day," Bannon told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera
| this week. "He will not have a blue pass to the White
| House, he will not have full access to the White House, he
| will be like any other person."
| ...
<https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2025/01/11/steve-bannon-i-will-do-anything-keep-elon-musk-out-white-house/>
--bks

LOL!

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration
| Day," Bannon told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera
| this week. "He will not have a blue pass to the White
| House, he will not have full access to the White House, he
| will be like any other person."

|
| A coalition of MAGA die-hards, tech bros and blue-collar
| workers were key to Donald Trump's November victory.
|
| Now, some of them are already at each other's throats.
|
| Free traders and protectionists are at odds over Trump's
| promise to enact "universal" tariffs. Immigration
| hard-liners are butting heads with tech companies that
| support legal immigration. And isolationists are grappling
| with the president-elect's apparently increasingly
| expansionist global agenda.
| ...
<https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/14/trump-republicans-bannon-musk-00197996>

--bks

[NoBody]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration
| Day," Bannon told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera
| this week. "He will not have a blue pass to the White
| House, he will not have full access to the White House, he
| will be like any other person."

|
| A coalition of MAGA die-hards, tech bros and blue-collar
| workers were key to Donald Trump's November victory.
|
| Now, some of them are already at each other's throats.
|
| Free traders and protectionists are at odds over Trump's
| promise to enact "universal" tariffs. Immigration
| hard-liners are butting heads with tech companies that
| support legal immigration. And isolationists are grappling
| with the president-elect's apparently increasingly
| expansionist global agenda.
| ...
<https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/14/trump-republicans-bannon-musk-00197996>
--bks

And Bradley keeps on pointing silly nonsense from silly nonsense
sources.

Keep it up. It's the reason why we won.

[Snit]

Post by NoBody

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration
| Day," Bannon told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera
| this week. "He will not have a blue pass to the White
| House, he will not have full access to the White House, he
| will be like any other person."

|
| A coalition of MAGA die-hards, tech bros and blue-collar
| workers were key to Donald Trump's November victory.
|
| Now, some of them are already at each other's throats.
|
| Free traders and protectionists are at odds over Trump's
| promise to enact "universal" tariffs. Immigration
| hard-liners are butting heads with tech companies that
| support legal immigration. And isolationists are grappling
| with the president-elect's apparently increasingly
| expansionist global agenda.
| ...
<https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/14/trump-republicans-bannon-musk-00197996>
--bks

And Bradley keeps on pointing silly nonsense from silly nonsense
sources.

What's "silly" about pointing out that Trumpswabs are at one anothers' throats?

[NoBody]

Post by NoBody

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration
| Day," Bannon told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera
| this week. "He will not have a blue pass to the White
| House, he will not have full access to the White House, he
| will be like any other person."

|
| A coalition of MAGA die-hards, tech bros and blue-collar
| workers were key to Donald Trump's November victory.
|
| Now, some of them are already at each other's throats.
|
| Free traders and protectionists are at odds over Trump's
| promise to enact "universal" tariffs. Immigration
| hard-liners are butting heads with tech companies that
| support legal immigration. And isolationists are grappling
| with the president-elect's apparently increasingly
| expansionist global agenda.
| ...
<https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/14/trump-republicans-bannon-musk-00197996>
--bks

And Bradley keeps on pointing silly nonsense from silly nonsense
sources.
Keep it up. It's the reason why we won.

And Bradley has run away.

[Chris Ahlstrom]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| "I will have Elon Musk run out of here by Inauguration
| Day," Bannon told the Italian daily Corriere della Sera
| this week. "He will not have a blue pass to the White
| House, he will not have full access to the White House, he
| will be like any other person."

| Elon Musk claimed overnight Tuesday that tech giants
| OpenAI, Oracle and Softbank don't have enough money to
| fulfill their high-profile pledge to invest $500 billion in
| U.S. artificial intelligence infrastructure.
|
| The Tesla and SpaceX CEO made the comment just hours after
| President Donald Trump unveiled the massive project at the
| White House on his first full day in office.
| ...
<https://www.cnbc.com/2025/01/22/musk-trump-ai-stargate-openai-softbank.html>

Trump will dispose of Elon soon. Gotta support the orange jackass, no matter
how jackassey he gets.

I noticed Larry Ellison skulking around. Wants a big share of the gummint
teat.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

|
| 'Everyone wants him out': How Musk helped boot Ramaswamy
| from DOGE
|
| Ramaswamy is leaving the so-called Department of Government
| Efficiency
| ...
<https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/20/doge-musk-helped-eject-ramaswamy-00199487>

--bks

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| 'Everyone wants him out': How Musk helped boot Ramaswamy
| from DOGE
|
| Ramaswamy is leaving the so-called Department of Government
| Efficiency

When Musk says "efficiency" think "full self driving":
|
| DOGE's Top Lawyer to Depart
|
| Bill McGinley, the group's counsel, is planning to return
| to the private sector
| ...
<https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/doges-top-lawyer-to-depart-b3fe71a1?mod=e2twp>

--bks

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
| 'Everyone wants him out': How Musk helped boot Ramaswamy
| from DOGE

| DOGE's Top Lawyer to Depart

|
| Trump staffers are reportedly 'furious' with Elon Musk
| after he publicly trashed the Trump-backed $500 billion AI
| project
| ...
<https://fortune.com/2025/01/24/trump-staff-furious-elon-musk-publicly-trashed-trump-500-billion-ai-project/>

--bks

[NoBody]

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| 'Everyone wants him out': How Musk helped boot Ramaswamy
| from DOGE
|
| Ramaswamy is leaving the so-called Department of Government
| Efficiency
| ...
<https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/20/doge-musk-helped-eject-ramaswamy-00199487>
--bks

Said an unknown source.

Laughter.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Post by NoBody

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| 'Everyone wants him out': How Musk helped boot Ramaswamy
| from DOGE
|
| Ramaswamy is leaving the so-called Department of Government
| Efficiency
| ...

...
Said an unknown source.
...

You should learn to use a browser, KG. It's in all the online papers:
| ...
| Ramaswamy recently departed DOGE, but Musk has continued to
| exert his presence in the Trump White House, including
| being spotted at the White House in the West Wing multiple
| times this week, sources told ABC News. Musk is also said
| to have an all-access badge and office space in the
| Eisenhower Executive Office Building, situated next door to
| the White House.
| ...
<https://abcnews.go.com/US/new-details-musks-doge-agency-raise-questions-scope/story?id=118046176>

--bks

[-hh]

Post by NoBody

Post by Bradley K. Sherman
|
| 'Everyone wants him out': How Musk helped boot Ramaswamy
| from DOGE
|
| Ramaswamy is leaving the so-called Department of Government
| Efficiency
| ...
<https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/20/doge-musk-helped-eject-ramaswamy-00199487>
--bks

Said an unknown source.
Laughter.

Is that the same source which leaked that the "DOGE" isn't actually new,
but is just a new name on an existing Govt office which was established
by Obama?


-hh