Discussion:
Bush to bring back the Draft
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The Lone Weasel
2004-09-17 14:33:03 UTC
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Does President Bush have any other option but to bring back
the Draft.
The war in Iraq is dragging on and it looks like American
Troops will be there for some years to come.
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft PDQ.
The only reason they haven't already done it is because they
want to get re-elected.

And this is Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Perle/et al, not the
idiot Neocon cheerleader Bush.

____________________


THE BROKEN PROMISES OF GEORGE W. BUSH: RHETORIC VS. REALITY


SOCIAL SECURITY RHETORIC

"The Social Security surplus must be locked away only for
Social Security." [Source: Bush-Cheney 2000 – Social
Security website]


SOCIAL SECURITY REALITY

During 2002, the first fiscal year for which Bush was
responsible, he spent $159 billion of the Social Security
Trust Fund surplus.

[Source: CBO Historical Budget Data, ]


http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7
H&b=137673
--
Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 15:18:56 UTC
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The Lone Weasel wrote:
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because they
want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it, but don't let the
FACTS get in your way, moron.
The Lone Weasel
2004-09-17 16:53:41 UTC
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Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has been
proven correct.

Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?

__________________


“I know that I didn’t type them. However, the
information in those is correct.”

Knox says she didn’t type these memos, but she says she did
type ones that contained the same information.

For The Record: Bush Documents
Sept. 15, 2004

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/15/60II/main643768.sh
tml
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Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-17 17:04:50 UTC
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Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has been
proven correct.
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
Armchair cowards like him never step up to walk their talk.
Post by The Lone Weasel
__________________
"I know that I didn't type them. However, the
information in those is correct."
Knox says she didn't type these memos, but she says she did
type ones that contained the same information.
For The Record: Bush Documents
Sept. 15, 2004
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/15/60II/main643768.sh
tml
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed...
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many
tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most
damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal
allegiance to their country." -- U$ General Colin Powell
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 20:25:06 UTC
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Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!

He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!

Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!

http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426

When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left wanted, they
began attempting to politicize the military itself. Falling back on
standard Democrat class warfare tactics, the anti-war Left, led by
Charlie Rangel (D-NY), began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling
for a draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was ''unfair'' to
minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
The Lone Weasel
2004-09-17 20:47:36 UTC
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Serious Sa
Post by Serious Sam
Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it
didn't come from the article about Rangell either as a direct
quote or prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of
wanting class warfare, just like you did.

You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?

POINT PROVEN!

Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.

________________________


Excerpt of former Lt. Governor Ben Barnes on getting Bush
into the National Guard:

"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas Air
Guard - and I'm ashamed." 1


Barnes on his decision to help George W. Bush and others get
into the National Guard:

"I've thought about it an awful lot and you walk through the
Vietnam memorial, particularly at night like I did a few
months ago and, I tell you, you'll think about it a long
time. ...I don't think that I had any right to have the
power that I had to choose who was going to Vietnam and who
was not going to Vietnam. That's power. In some instances,
when I looked at those names, I was maybe determining life
or death and that's not a power that I want to have. ..."


Barnes on his feelings of regret:

"It would be very easy for me to sit here and tell you, Dan,
that I had wrestled with this and lost a lot of sleep at
night, but I wouldn't be telling you the truth. I...not
eagerly, but readily, was willing to call and get those
young men into the National Guard that were friends of mine
and supporters of mine. ...Reflecting back, I'm very sorry
about it, but you know, it happened and it was because of my
ambition, my youth and my lack of understanding. But it
happened and it's not..something I'm necessarily proud of." 2


Ed Gillespie Goes Crazy:

The Barnes interview was supposed to be the highlight of the
evening.

Because of the way the interview was hyped, Republicans
assumed that Barnes was going to change details of the story
he has consistently told about how he helped get Bush into
the Texas Air National Guard.

Priming the GOP troops for a counterattack, Ed Gillespie,
chairman of the RNC, circulated a panicky memo to supporters
on Wednesday claiming that Barnes "will repudiate his
statement under oath that he had no contact with the Bush
family concerning the President's National Guard service."

Gillespie's statement proved to be absolutely false.

Last night Barnes said exactly what he said when his role in
this story first surfaced in The Dallas Morning News in
1999. 3

_____

1. http://69.59.167.160/BarnesonVietnam.wmv

2.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.sh
tml

3 Two-Sided Story by Ryan Lizza, New Republic
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=lizza090904
--
Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 20:54:46 UTC
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Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL

Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus
have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying that
children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged Americans in
the war on terrorism.

Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to consider
legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as next week, at
the start of the 108th Congress. The United States hasn't drafted troops
since 1973.

"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have to
kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."

Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm

Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion

Tuesday 31 december 2002


WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a war
against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of American
troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the Congressional resolution
giving the president authority to carry out this war -- an engagement
that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin Laden and bring
him to justice.

But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we are
going to send our children to war, the governing principle must be that
of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history, Americans have been
asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.

That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.

Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who have
sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that voted
overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one
member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just a
few more have children who are officers.

I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were
likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way --
there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with the
international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of decisions to go to war.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it
didn't come from the article about Rangell either as a direct
quote or prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of
wanting class warfare, just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!

You are BUSTED!


"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor, said
the call for a draft by two senior black members of the House "was a way
of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to the stakes that are involved in
war." Walters said, "We have ample National Guard and reserves for Iraq.
I look at it as a political move to call attention to whose ox is gored
in a war."

The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where black
soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead, according to a
study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler, authors of "Racial
Integration the Army Way."
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-17 21:30:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus
have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying that
children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged Americans in
the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to consider
legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as next week, at
the start of the 108th Congress. The United States hasn't drafted troops
since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have to
kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a war
against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of American
troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the Congressional resolution
giving the president authority to carry out this war -- an engagement
that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin Laden and bring
him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we are
going to send our children to war, the governing principle must be that
of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history, Americans have been
asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who have
sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that voted
overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one
member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just a
few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were
likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way --
there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with the
international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of decisions to go to war.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it
didn't come from the article about Rangell either as a direct
quote or prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of
wanting class warfare, just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor, said
the call for a draft by two senior black members of the House "was a way
of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to the stakes that are involved in
war." Walters said, "We have ample National Guard and reserves for Iraq.
I look at it as a political move to call attention to whose ox is gored
in a war."
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where black
soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead, according to a
study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler, authors of "Racial
Integration the Army Way."
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare. Typical Orwellian crap. Making the rich and
powerful as likely to go to war as the poor and middle class becomes
class warfare to these assholes. As does pointing out that the richest
1% has reaped about 80% of the Bush tax agenda. (That's real class
warfare - as is the Bush effort to exempt unearned income from taxes
so only working stiffs will pay taxes. Dividends, inheritances,
investment income, they want to exempt all that. Only working income
will be taxed if these guys had their way. NOW That's class warfare!)

- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 21:57:37 UTC
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Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus
have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying that
children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged Americans in
the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to consider
legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as next week, at
the start of the 108th Congress. The United States hasn't drafted troops
since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have to
kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a war
against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of American
troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the Congressional resolution
giving the president authority to carry out this war -- an engagement
that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin Laden and bring
him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we are
going to send our children to war, the governing principle must be that
of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history, Americans have been
asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who have
sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that voted
overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one
member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just a
few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were
likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way --
there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with the
international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of decisions to go to war.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it
didn't come from the article about Rangell either as a direct
quote or prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of
wanting class warfare, just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor, said
the call for a draft by two senior black members of the House "was a way
of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to the stakes that are involved in
war." Walters said, "We have ample National Guard and reserves for Iraq.
I look at it as a political move to call attention to whose ox is gored
in a war."
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where black
soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead, according to a
study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler, authors of "Racial
Integration the Army Way."
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!

It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!

Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-17 22:03:44 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus
have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying that
children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged Americans
in the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to
consider legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as
next week, at the start of the 108th Congress. The United States
hasn't drafted troops since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have
to kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that
people of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are
disproportionately killed and injured while serving as ground troops
on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a
war against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of
American troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the
Congressional resolution giving the president authority to carry out
this war -- an engagement that would dwarf our military efforts to
find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we
are going to send our children to war, the governing principle must
be that of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history,
Americans have been asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who
have sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that voted
overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one
member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just
a few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were
likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way --
there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with
the international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft
will help bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of
decisions to go to war.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it didn't
come from the article about Rangell either as a direct quote or
prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of wanting class warfare,
just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor,
said the call for a draft by two senior black members of the House
"was a way of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to the stakes that
are involved in war." Walters said, "We have ample National Guard and
reserves for Iraq. I look at it as a political move to call attention
to whose ox is gored in a war."
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where
black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead,
according to a study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler,
authors of "Racial Integration the Army Way."
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!
It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!
Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services. Therefore,
it _is_ a de facto class issue. The poor are volunteering to sell
themselves to the Federal government in hope of getting out of poverty.
Not much different from the indentured servitude of Europe in
centuries past.

Incidentally, that's what makes Kerry's volunteering for the Navy a
truly notable act. Which is an act in direct contrast to Bush and
Cheney cowardly shirking their responsibility.

Kerry's a quality person. Bush is a lying coward. Spammy is a blind asshat.
a***@hotmail.com
2004-09-17 23:19:13 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:03:44 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus
have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying that
children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged Americans
in the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to
consider legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as
next week, at the start of the 108th Congress. The United States
hasn't drafted troops since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have
to kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that
people of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are
disproportionately killed and injured while serving as ground troops
on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a
war against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of
American troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the
Congressional resolution giving the president authority to carry out
this war -- an engagement that would dwarf our military efforts to
find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we
are going to send our children to war, the governing principle must
be that of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history,
Americans have been asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who
have sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that voted
overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one
member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just
a few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were
likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way --
there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with
the international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft
will help bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of
decisions to go to war.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it didn't
come from the article about Rangell either as a direct quote or
prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of wanting class warfare,
just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor,
said the call for a draft by two senior black members of the House
"was a way of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to the stakes that
are involved in war." Walters said, "We have ample National Guard and
reserves for Iraq. I look at it as a political move to call attention
to whose ox is gored in a war."
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where
black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead,
according to a study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler,
authors of "Racial Integration the Army Way."
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!
It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!
Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
John F Kennedy? George S Patton, Jr? That's just off the top of my
head...
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 00:13:36 UTC
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Post by a***@hotmail.com
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:03:44 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus
have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying that
children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged Americans
in the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to
consider legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as
next week, at the start of the 108th Congress. The United States
hasn't drafted troops since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have
to kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that
people of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are
disproportionately killed and injured while serving as ground troops
on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a
war against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of
American troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the
Congressional resolution giving the president authority to carry out
this war -- an engagement that would dwarf our military efforts to
find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we
are going to send our children to war, the governing principle must
be that of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history,
Americans have been asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who
have sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that voted
overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one
member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just
a few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were
likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way --
there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with
the international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft
will help bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of
decisions to go to war.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it didn't
come from the article about Rangell either as a direct quote or
prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of wanting class warfare,
just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor,
said the call for a draft by two senior black members of the House
"was a way of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to the stakes that
are involved in war." Walters said, "We have ample National Guard and
reserves for Iraq. I look at it as a political move to call attention
to whose ox is gored in a war."
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where
black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead,
according to a study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler,
authors of "Racial Integration the Army Way."
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!
It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!
Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
John F Kennedy? George S Patton, Jr? That's just off the top of my
head...
Are those typical? No, those are exceptions. I didn't say no rich kids
volunteer.

Thanks for playing, Right Winger. Please FOAD. HAND.
a***@hotmail.com
2004-09-18 00:29:35 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by a***@hotmail.com
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
John F Kennedy? George S Patton, Jr? That's just off the top of my
head...
Are those typical? No, those are exceptions. I didn't say no rich kids
volunteer.
How do you know? Are is this just a SWAG on your part?
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Thanks for playing, Right Winger. Please FOAD. HAND.
TRANSLATION:

"I have been proven wrong again, so now I will resort to invective"

But...hey, thanks for playing! LOL!!
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 01:46:31 UTC
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Post by a***@hotmail.com
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by a***@hotmail.com
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
John F Kennedy? George S Patton, Jr? That's just off the top of my
head...
Are those typical? No, those are exceptions. I didn't say no rich kids
volunteer.
How do you know? Are is this just a SWAG on your part?
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Thanks for playing, Right Winger. Please FOAD. HAND.
"I have been proven wrong again, so now I will resort to invective"
But...hey, thanks for playing! LOL!!
Um, no. You're dumb.

I responded to your assertion that JFK and Patton were examples of what
every wealthy person does when faced with a war enlistment. They are
exceptions, and not the rule. GW Bush's running away and lack of
patriotism is the rule. Understand that.

Have you always been this stupid?
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:15:53 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
You're dumb.
You're dumber.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:10:08 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by a***@hotmail.com
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:03:44 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black
Caucus have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying
that children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged
Americans in the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both
armed services veterans, said this week they would ask the House
to consider legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early
as next week, at the start of the 108th Congress. The United
States hasn't drafted troops since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to
be made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We
have to kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of
obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process
for service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for
all those who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held
stigma that people of color and persons from low-income
backgrounds are disproportionately killed and injured while
serving as ground troops on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a
war against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of
American troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the
Congressional resolution giving the president authority to carry
out this war -- an engagement that would dwarf our military
efforts to find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if
we are going to send our children to war, the governing principle
must be that of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history,
Americans have been asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those
who have sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that
voted overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes
only one member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the
military -- just a few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children
were likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's
way -- there would be more caution and a greater willingness to
work with the international community in dealing with Iraq. A
renewed draft will help bring a greater appreciation of the
consequences of decisions to go to war.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it
didn't come from the article about Rangell either as a direct
quote or prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of wanting
class warfare, just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science
professor, said the call for a draft by two senior black members
of the House "was a way of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to
the stakes that are involved in war." Walters said, "We have ample
National Guard and reserves for Iraq. I look at it as a political
move to call attention to whose ox is gored in a war."
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where
black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead,
according to a study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler,
authors of "Racial Integration the Army Way."
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!
It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!
Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
John F Kennedy? George S Patton, Jr? That's just off the top of my
head...
Are those typical? No, those are exceptions.
Sucks to lose don't it smacky.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 04:31:22 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by a***@hotmail.com
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:03:44 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black
Caucus have voiced support for a nationwide military draft,
saying that children of the rich should serve alongside less
privileged Americans in the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both
armed services veterans, said this week they would ask the House
to consider legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as
early as next week, at the start of the 108th Congress. The
United States hasn't drafted troops since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of
our national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need
to be made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said.
"We have to kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense
of obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process
for service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for
all those who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held
stigma that people of color and persons from low-income
backgrounds are disproportionately killed and injured while
serving as ground troops on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared
a war against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands
of American troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the
Congressional resolution giving the president authority to carry
out this war -- an engagement that would dwarf our military
efforts to find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if
we are going to send our children to war, the governing principle
must be that of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history,
Americans have been asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those
who have sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress
that voted overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq
includes only one member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of
the military -- just a few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children
were likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's
way -- there would be more caution and a greater willingness to
work with the international community in dealing with Iraq. A
renewed draft will help bring a greater appreciation of the
consequences of decisions to go to war.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it
didn't come from the article about Rangell either as a direct
quote or prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of wanting
class warfare, just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science
professor, said the call for a draft by two senior black members
of the House "was a way of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to
the stakes that are involved in war." Walters said, "We have
ample National Guard and reserves for Iraq. I look at it as a
political move to call attention to whose ox is gored in a war."
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where
black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead,
according to a study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler,
authors of "Racial Integration the Army Way."
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!
It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!
Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
John F Kennedy? George S Patton, Jr? That's just off the top of my
head...
Are those typical? No, those are exceptions.
Sucks to lose don't it smacky.
I wouldn't know. I never lose.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:05:59 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Sucks to lose don't it smacky.
I wouldn't know.
You're a lying luser.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 20:54:28 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Sucks to lose don't it smacky.
I wouldn't know.
You're a lying luser.
Pure partisan opinion and swill. That's all you can post, Spammuel.
Why develop standards and ethics now?
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 00:48:13 UTC
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Post by a***@hotmail.com
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
John F Kennedy? George S Patton, Jr? That's just off the top of my
head...
With WWII as an exception. When attacked the rules shift.

- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 01:49:37 UTC
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Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by a***@hotmail.com
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
John F Kennedy? George S Patton, Jr? That's just off the top of my
head...
With WWII as an exception. When attacked the rules shift.
- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
Very good point.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:17:02 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Very good point.
Roll over so he can get yer other cheek.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 04:35:29 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Very good point.
Roll over so he can get yer other cheek.
STFU fag.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:11:11 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Very good point.
Roll over so he can get yer other cheek.
STFU fag.
Drop dead you scumball.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 21:05:22 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Very good point.
Roll over so he can get yer other cheek.
STFU fag.
Drop dead you scumball.
You're just mad because Arnie made necrophilia illegal in California,
and now you will have to find another hobby.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:13:23 UTC
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Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by a***@hotmail.com
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
John F Kennedy? George S Patton, Jr? That's just off the top of my
head...
With WWII as an exception.
LOL!

You FUCKUP!
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 00:46:58 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:03:44 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services. Therefore,
it _is_ a de facto class issue. The poor are volunteering to sell
themselves to the Federal government in hope of getting out of poverty.
And they're doing so at a greater rate because of Bush's shitty
jobless recovery economy.
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Not much different from the indentured servitude of Europe in
centuries past.
- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 01:49:16 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:03:44 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services. Therefore,
it _is_ a de facto class issue. The poor are volunteering to sell
themselves to the Federal government in hope of getting out of poverty.
And they're doing so at a greater rate because of Bush's shitty
jobless recovery economy.
Actually, that's a good point. Maybe the administration really thought
this war machine thing through. I hadn't thought that by controllingthe
domestic economy, he makes a military life a mroe appealing choice.

Interesting, if chilling, perspective.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:15:08 UTC
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Actually, that's a good point.
Home ownership at an all time HIGH!
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 04:35:08 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Actually, that's a good point.
Home ownership at an all time HIGH!
Spammy, only you are that high. Talk when you sober up and get
straight. You're a mental mess.
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 04:49:23 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:35:08 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Actually, that's a good point.
Home ownership at an all time HIGH!
Spammy, only you are that high. Talk when you sober up and get
straight. You're a mental mess.
Why do you waste time on this twit?

he is why twit filters were developed.

- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 04:59:30 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:35:08 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Actually, that's a good point.
Home ownership at an all time HIGH!
Spammy, only you are that high. Talk when you sober up and get
straight. You're a mental mess.
Why do you waste time on this twit?
he is why twit filters were developed.
- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
You best be humble and quiet, Junior.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/download.php/7482/Im+Rick+James+bitch.mp3
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:17:31 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:35:08 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Actually, that's a good point.
Home ownership at an all time HIGH!
Spammy, only you are that high. Talk when you sober up and get
straight. You're a mental mess.
Why do you waste time on this twit?
he is why twit filters were developed.
- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
You best be humble and quiet
FUCK YOU, come MAKE ME!
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 21:08:27 UTC
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On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 04:35:08 GMT, Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Actually, that's a good point.
Home ownership at an all time HIGH!
Spammy, only you are that high. Talk when you sober up and get
straight. You're a mental mess.
Why do you waste time on this twit?
he is why twit filters were developed.
- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
You best be humble and quiet
FUCK YOU, come MAKE ME!
Where, and what is your name?
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:12:07 UTC
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Why do you waste time on this twit?
You damned LIAR!

Minority Homeownership Rate Sets New All-Time High, Nation's Rate Ties
Record
American's minority homeownership rate set a new all-time record of 48.8
percent in the second quarter of 2001, with 13.2 million minority
families owning their homes, Housing and Urban development Secretary Mel
Martinez said .

The overall homeownership rate of 67.7 percent tied the all-time record
high. a total of 72.3 million American families owned their homes in the
second quarter of this year - the most at any time in American history.
http://www.hispanianews.com/archive/2001/August10/06.htm

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=64432
Date: 07-30-2004 Home ownership reaches all-time high Midwesterners
ranked #1 at 74.2%

Home ownership in the United States rose to a record-high rate of 69.2
percent in the second quarter, with 73.4 million Americans calling
themselves homeowners, according to a Census Bureau report released today.

The second-quarter home-ownership rate rose from 68 percent in the
second quarter of 2003, and increased from 68.6 percent in the first
quarter of 2004.

When adjusted for seasonality, the current home-ownership rate at 69.3
percent was higher than 68.1 percent shown a year ago and also higher
than the rate last quarter, 68.7 percent.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:10:44 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Actually, that's a good point.
Home ownership at an all time HIGH!
Spammy, only you are that high.
You drugged up liar!

I fucking *despise* you!

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=64432

Date: 07-30-2004 Home ownership reaches all-time high Midwesterners
ranked #1 at 74.2%

Home ownership in the United States rose to a record-high rate of 69.2
percent in the second quarter, with 73.4 million Americans calling
themselves homeowners, according to a Census Bureau report released today.

The second-quarter home-ownership rate rose from 68 percent in the
second quarter of 2003, and increased from 68.6 percent in the first
quarter of 2004.

When adjusted for seasonality, the current home-ownership rate at 69.3
percent was higher than 68.1 percent shown a year ago and also higher
than the rate last quarter, 68.7 percent.

http://www.hispanianews.com/archive/2001/August10/06.htm

Minority Homeownership Rate Sets New All-Time High, Nation's Rate Ties
Record
American's minority homeownership rate set a new all-time record of 48.8
percent in the second quarter of 2001, with 13.2 million minority
families owning their homes, Housing and Urban development Secretary Mel
Martinez said .
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 21:03:15 UTC
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Actually, that's a good point.
Home ownership at an all time HIGH!
Spammy, only you are that high.
You drugged up liar!
I fucking *despise* you!
Hahhaaa! I mock you. What a childlike asshat crybaby you are.



25 REASONS TO DETEST GW BUSH

Economic Indicators

1. The unemployment rate averaged 4.1 percent in 2000 and reached a 30
year low of 3.9 percent in October 2000. Today, the unemployment rate
has increased to 5.7 percent. There are presently 8.1 million unemployed
Americans, an increase of 2.5 million compared to 2000

2. The number of Americans experiencing long-term unemployment-over 27
weeks-has almost doubled in the last year.

3. Job creation has reversed. In 2000, the year before President Bush
took office, the economy created 1.7 million new jobs. This trend has
been reversed, and the economy has lost almost 1.5 million jobs since
President Bush took office in January 2001.

4. Poverty is increasing. After decreasing for eight straight years and
reaching its lowest level in 25 years, the poverty rate increased from
11.3 percent in 2000 to 11.7 percent in 2001. In the first year of the
Bush administration, 1.3 million Americans slipped back into poverty,
with a total of 32.9 million Americans living in poverty in 2001.

5. Incomes are falling. After increasing every year since 1991, and
reaching an all time high in 2000, median household income in the United
States fell 2.2 percent in 2001. Median incomes fell for households in
every income group in the country except for those earning over $150,000.

6. Hundreds of thousands of Americans are filing for bankruptcy. Almost
800,000 Americans filed for bankruptcy in the first half of 2002. In the
second quarter of 2002, over 400,000 bankruptcies were filed in the
United States, an all-time record.

7. Mortgage foreclosures are at record highs. In the second quarter of
2002, 1.23 percent of home loans were in the foreclosure process, a
record level. Over this same time period, almost 5 percent of mortgage
loans were delinquent, up almost 20 percent from the average delinquency
rate in 2000.

8. The federal budget deficit is increasing. In 2000, the year before
President Bush took office, the federal budget, excluding Social
Security, showed a surplus of $86.6 billion. The most recent figures
from the Congressional Budget Office indicate that for FY 2002, the
federal budget, excluding Social Security, will show a deficit of $314
billion.

9. This represents the largest budget decline in U.S. history, and it is
the third-largest on-budget deficit in history, exceeded in size only by
the deficits of 1991 and 1992 under the first President Bush. Health
Care Indicators

10.The number of Americans without health insurance is increasing.
Between 1999 and 2000, the number of uninsured Americans fell by 600,000.

11. But this trend has reversed itself and in 2001 the number of
uninsured Americans increased by 1.4 million.

12. Over 41 million Americans — 14.6 percent of the population — had no
health insurance coverage in 2001.

13. The percentage of small businesses offering insurance to their
employees fell by 10 percent between 2000 and 2002.

14. Insurance costs increased by 12.7 percent in 2002, the second
consecutive year of double-digit increases and the largest annual
increase in costs since 1990.

15. Prescription drug prices increased by almost twice the rate of
inflation in 2001.

16. For seniors, who use the most prescription drugs, cost increases
were even higher. The cost of the 50 most popular drugs for seniors
increased by 7.8 percent in 2001, over three times the rate of
inflation. The price of Prilosec, the most popular drug for seniors,
increased at over four times the rate of inflation.

Crime and Drug Use Indicators

17.The crime rate is increasing. In 2000, the year before President Bush
took office, the crime rate reached its lowest level since 1972. This
represented the culmination of a 22 percent decrease in crime during the
1990s.

18. But in 2001, the crime rate increased by 2.2 percent. The murder
rate increased by 3.1 percent, the robbery rate increased by 3.9
percent, and the rate of property crimes increased by 2.2 percent.

19.Drug use is increasing. Drug use among all Americans increased by 13
percent between 2000 and 2001, including significant increases in the
use of marijuana and cocaine. Among young adults, the percentage of drug
users increased by over 20 percent between 2000 and 2001. The number of
Americans in need of drug treatment increased from 4.7 million in 2000
to 6.1 million in 2001.


Environmental Indicators

20.Air pollution is increasing. Recently released data indicate that the
number of times that air quality exceeded the health standard for
ground-level ozone, or smog, almost doubled between 2000 and 2002.

21.Fuel economy is declining as global warming accelerates. Automobile
and light truck fuel economy declined in 2001, reaching their lowest
levels since 1980.

22. Overall, average fuel economy levels have declined by 8 percent
since reaching their peak in 1998. At the same time, 2001 was the second
warmest year on record

23. And areas across the country are experiencing their worst droughts
in decades.

24. The stock market has crashed more since George W Bush took office
than any other president in history, including the great crash of
Herbert Hoover in 1929. Actually, since Bush took office the market has
gone down TWICE what it did at the beginning of the Great Depression.

25. Since Jan 20, 2001 when George W Bush became president there has
been $5 trillion dollars lost by investors in the stock market. (note-
that figure is through Sept 30 and does not include the additional $800
billion lost during the last 10 days of the George Bush administration).
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:14:18 UTC
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And they're doing so at a greater rate because of Bush's shitty
jobless recovery economy.
The same one that sees home ownership at historic HIGHS?
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 04:34:35 UTC
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And they're doing so at a greater rate because of Bush's shitty
jobless recovery economy.
The same one that sees home ownership at historic HIGHS?
And foreclosures, too. Why is that?

Oh, I know, because Bush's $1Trillion tax cuts, which be borrowed the
money fore agains social security and national debt, benefit only the
wealthy!

Bush is only widening the wealth gap, and locking out the middle class.
The French pesants had enough of that in 1789. Look what happened
them, Ms. Antoinette. Madame la Guillotine waits for you and your ilk,
Spammy.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:06:52 UTC
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And they're doing so at a greater rate because of Bush's shitty
jobless recovery economy.
The same one that sees home ownership at historic HIGHS?
And foreclosures, too. Why is that?
Dunno, and don't care.

More Americans own their own homes today that EVER in our history!

PERIOD.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 20:55:50 UTC
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And they're doing so at a greater rate because of Bush's shitty
jobless recovery economy.
The same one that sees home ownership at historic HIGHS?
And foreclosures, too. Why is that?
Dunno, and don't care.
More Americans own their own homes today that EVER in our history!
PERIOD.
GW Bush says:

Dear American Public:

Just so you know:

•I attacked and took over 2 countries.

•I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.

•I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not
easy!).

•I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in
any 12 month period.

•I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock
market.

•I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

•In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on
vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).

•After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided
over the worst security failure in US history.

•I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president
in US history.

•In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

•I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any
other president in US history.

•I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a
12-month period.

•I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than
any president in US history.

•I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president,
since the advent of TV.

•I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than
any other US president in history.

•I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.

•I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

•I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously
take to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the
record for protest against any person in the history of mankind.

•I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

•I've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in
US history.

•Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US
history. (The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron
oil tanker named after her.)

•I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the
Union simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

•I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market
in any country in the history of the world.

•I am the first president in US history to order a US attack AND
military occupation of a sovereign nation, and I did so against the will
of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community.

•I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the
history of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland
Security"(only one letter away from BS).

•I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases,
more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat,
but I did it!!).

•I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations
remove the US from the Human Rights Commission.

•I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations
remove the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

•I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

•I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the
World Court of Law.

•I refused to allow inspectors access to US prisoners of war and by
default no longer abide by the Geneva Conventions.

•I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations
election inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

•I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate
campaign donations.

•The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my
best friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy
frauds in world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

•I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.

•I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack
(and then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

•I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

•I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a
year made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the
biggest diplomatic failure in US and world history).

•I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people
of Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace
and stability.

•I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded
government contracts.

•I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees
who violated US law by not selling their huge investments in
corporations bidding for gov't contracts.

•I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any
other president in US history.

•I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less
than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

•RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk
driving in Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not
available).

•I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during
time of war.

•I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug
use. (wink,wink)

•All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away
to my fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

•All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or
bankrupt companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

•All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on
the board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

•Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding
public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public
review.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:02:31 UTC
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Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black
Caucus have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying
that children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged
Americans in the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to
consider legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as
next week, at the start of the 108th Congress. The United States
hasn't drafted troops since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have
to kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of
obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all
those who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma
that people of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are
disproportionately killed and injured while serving as ground troops
on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a
war against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of
American troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the
Congressional resolution giving the president authority to carry out
this war -- an engagement that would dwarf our military efforts to
find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we
are going to send our children to war, the governing principle must
be that of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history,
Americans have been asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who
have sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that voted
overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one
member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just
a few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children
were likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's
way -- there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work
with the international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed
draft will help bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of
decisions to go to war.
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Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it didn't
come from the article about Rangell either as a direct quote or
prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of wanting class
warfare, just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor,
said the call for a draft by two senior black members of the House
"was a way of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to the stakes that
are involved in war." Walters said, "We have ample National Guard
and reserves for Iraq. I look at it as a political move to call
attention to whose ox is gored in a war."
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where
black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead,
according to a study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler,
authors of "Racial Integration the Army Way."
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!
It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!
Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services. Therefore,
it _is_ a de facto class issue.
Rich kids typically don't bag groceries, therefore we should draft them
to work at King Soopers!

DROP DEAD YOU FUCK WIT!
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 04:30:14 UTC
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Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black
Caucus have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying
that children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged
Americans in the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to
consider legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as
next week, at the start of the 108th Congress. The United States
hasn't drafted troops since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We
have to kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of
obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all
those who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma
that people of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are
disproportionately killed and injured while serving as ground
troops on the front line."
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a
war against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of
American troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the
Congressional resolution giving the president authority to carry
out this war -- an engagement that would dwarf our military efforts
to find Osama bin Laden and bring him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if
we are going to send our children to war, the governing principle
must be that of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history,
Americans have been asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who
have sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that
voted overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes
only one member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the
military -- just a few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children
were likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's
way -- there would be more caution and a greater willingness to
work with the international community in dealing with Iraq. A
renewed draft will help bring a greater appreciation of the
consequences of decisions to go to war.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left
wanted, they began attempting to politicize the military
itself. Falling back on standard Democrat class warfare
tactics, the anti-war Left, led by Charlie Rangel (D-NY),
began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling for a
draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was
''unfair'' to minorities and the poor.
Post by The Lone Weasel
Are you registered for the draft, Serumous Sam?
I was.
Good. I did a Google web search for Rangell Draft & "class
warfare". The only hit I got was from FreakRepublic, and it
didn't come from the article about Rangell either as a direct
quote or prose, but from a Freaker accusing Rangell of wanting
class warfare, just like you did.
You are a lying fucker, not a fucking liar eh Serumous Sam?
POINT PROVEN!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science professor,
said the call for a draft by two senior black members of the House
"was a way of bringing home . . . a sensitivity to the stakes that
are involved in war." Walters said, "We have ample National Guard
and reserves for Iraq. I look at it as a political move to call
attention to whose ox is gored in a war."
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War, where
black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of the dead,
according to a study by Charles Moskos and John Sibley Butler,
authors of "Racial Integration the Army Way."
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!
It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!
Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
Rich kids don't typically volunteer for the armed services.
Therefore, it _is_ a de facto class issue.
Rich kids typically don't bag groceries, therefore we should draft them
to work at King Soopers!
DROP DEAD YOU FUCK WIT!
You're just mad becaause, once again, Ihave bested you. You're a sore
loser and a small minded goon.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:04:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
You're just mad becaause,
...Scum like you even have Internet access, it's a crime against evolution.
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 00:46:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!
It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!
Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
For this unworthy contribution you quote 150 lines? Sheesh what an
idiot.

- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:13:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Only a "compassionate conservative" would call removing class from the
equation class warfare.
You fucking MORON!
It's an all-volunteer armed forces - there are no quotas!
Go back to sucking eggs you cur!
For this unworthy contribution you quote 150 lines?
Your unworthiness precedes you.
The Lone Weasel
2004-09-17 22:35:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
So where did Rangell use the phrase, "class warfare" Serumous
Sam?

Or should I say "Serumous SHAM"?
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
file=/c/a/2003/01/
Post by Serious Sam
03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional
Black Caucus have voiced support for a nationwide military
draft, saying that children of the rich should serve
alongside less privileged Americans in the war on
terrorism.
That's just basic fairness and it would actually prevent many
needless wars like the one in Iraq right now. Nobody says
"class warfare" there.
Post by Serious Sam
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich.,
both armed services veterans, said this week they would ask
the House to consider legislation to reinstitute the draft,
perhaps as early as next week, at the start of the 108th
Congress. The United States hasn't drafted troops since
1973.
These veterans seem especially sensitive to the consequences
of war. Actually, we'd probably be out of Iraq by now if
we'd reactivated the draft then, and drafted sons and
daughters of federal officials first, starting with the Bush
girls.

How would Bush feel then, watching his girls go overseas to
drive supply trucks along those bomb infested Iraqi highways?

The war would end before the girls finished basic training.
Assuming they didn't go AWOL like their daddy.

Nobody says "class warfare" there.
Post by Serious Sam
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms
of our national welfare, then he has to believe that
sacrifices need to be made, and those sacrifices need to be
shared," Rangel said. "We have to kick up a notch the sense
of patriotism and the sense of obligation."
Can't deny that. Rangell's right on.

Nothing about "class warfare" in that paragraph.
Post by Serious Sam
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription
process for service in the military becomes universal and
mandatory for all those who meet the criteria . . . it
removes the long-held stigma that people of color and
persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the
front line."
Just like George Mason said back in 1788 about the militia.

[begin excerpt]

Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, a worthy member has asked
who are the militia, if they be not the people of this
country, and if we are not to be protected from the fate of
the Germans, Prussians, &c., by our representation? I ask,
Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people,
except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be
the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table
gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not
consist of all classes, high and low, and [Page 426]
rich and poor; but they may be confined to the lower and
middle classes of the people, granting exclusion to the
higher classes of the people. If we should ever see that
day, the most ignominious punishments and heavy fines may be
expected.

Elliot's Debates, Vol. 3, Page 425

http://www.potowmack.org/thequotes.html

[end excerpt]

Good for John Conyers!

Nobody says "class warfare" in there or in George Mason's
quote, either. Looks like you FAILED AGAIN, SERUMOUS SAM!
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP
through!
Your lying fingers seem at fault now, eh Shamu?
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have
declared a war against terrorism that may soon involve
sending thousands of American troops into combat in Iraq. I
voted against the Congressional resolution giving the
president authority to carry out this war -- an engagement
that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin
Laden and bring him to justice.
Nothing about "class warfare" there.
Post by Serious Sam
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe
that if we are going to send our children to war, the
governing principle must be that of shared sacrifice.
Throughout much of our history, Americans have been asked
to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's true. If the most powerful families sacrificed their
children like the least powerful, we probably wouldn't go to
war near as much, eh Chamois?
Post by Serious Sam
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and
support legislation I will introduce to resume the military
draft.
And in retrospect it was a damn good idea, judging by the
results of Rumsfeld's claim that there were plenty of troops.
That was obvious bullshit.
Post by Serious Sam
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will
require long-term sacrifices by the American people,
particularly those who have sons and daughters in the
military. Yet the Congress that voted overwhelmingly to
allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one member who
has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just a
few more have children who are officers.
Still nothing resembling "class warfare" Shamus. You do have
a cite for me don't you?
Post by Serious Sam
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their
children were likely to be required to serve -- and to be
placed in harm's way -- there would be more caution and a
greater willingness to work with the international
community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of
decisions to go to war.
True, damn true!

So fairness in the Selective Service System is what you call
"class warfare"?

[snip of more stuff that doesn't say "class warfare"]
Post by Serious Sam
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
Holy moly!
Post by Serious Sam
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science
professor, said the call for a draft by two senior black
members of the House "was a way of bringing home . . . a
sensitivity to the stakes that are involved in war."
Walters said, "We have ample National Guard and reserves
for Iraq. I look at it as a political move to call
attention to whose ox is gored in a war."
Well, Walters was pretty far wrong wasn't he Shambahla?
Post by Serious Sam
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War,
where black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of
the dead, according to a study by Charles Moskos and John
Sibley Butler, authors of "Racial Integration the Army
Way."
I see. So you couldn't verify the "class warfare" claim at
all, eh Shammy...

POINT PROVEN REP CHARLES RANGELL - KOREAN WAR VET, WINNER OF
THE PURPLE HEART AND BRONZE STAR AND TELLER OF TRUTH TO A
TRUTH-STARVED AMERICA!

Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh.
--
Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:04:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS WARFARE!
So where did Rangell use the phrase, "class warfare" Serumous
Sam?
Or should I say "Serumous SHAM"?
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
file=/c/a/2003/01/
Post by Serious Sam
03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional
Black Caucus have voiced support for a nationwide military
draft, saying that children of the rich should serve
alongside less privileged Americans in the war on
terrorism.
That's just basic fairness and it would actually prevent many
needless wars like the one in Iraq right now. Nobody says
"class warfare" there.
Post by Serious Sam
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich.,
both armed services veterans, said this week they would ask
the House to consider legislation to reinstitute the draft,
perhaps as early as next week, at the start of the 108th
Congress. The United States hasn't drafted troops since
1973.
These veterans seem especially sensitive to the consequences
of war. Actually, we'd probably be out of Iraq by now if
we'd reactivated the draft then, and drafted sons and
daughters of federal officials first, starting with the Bush
girls.
How would Bush feel then, watching his girls go overseas to
drive supply trucks along those bomb infested Iraqi highways?
The war would end before the girls finished basic training.
Assuming they didn't go AWOL like their daddy.
Nobody says "class warfare" there.
Post by Serious Sam
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms
of our national welfare, then he has to believe that
sacrifices need to be made, and those sacrifices need to be
shared," Rangel said. "We have to kick up a notch the sense
of patriotism and the sense of obligation."
Can't deny that. Rangell's right on.
Nothing about "class warfare" in that paragraph.
Post by Serious Sam
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription
process for service in the military becomes universal and
mandatory for all those who meet the criteria . . . it
removes the long-held stigma that people of color and
persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the
front line."
Just like George Mason said back in 1788 about the militia.
[begin excerpt]
Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, a worthy member has asked
who are the militia, if they be not the people of this
country, and if we are not to be protected from the fate of
the Germans, Prussians, &c., by our representation? I ask,
Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people,
except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be
the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table
gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not
consist of all classes, high and low, and [Page 426]
rich and poor; but they may be confined to the lower and
middle classes of the people, granting exclusion to the
higher classes of the people. If we should ever see that
day, the most ignominious punishments and heavy fines may be
expected.
Elliot's Debates, Vol. 3, Page 425
http://www.potowmack.org/thequotes.html
[end excerpt]
Good for John Conyers!
Nobody says "class warfare" in there or in George Mason's
quote, either. Looks like you FAILED AGAIN, SERUMOUS SAM!
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP
through!
Your lying fingers seem at fault now, eh Shamu?
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have
declared a war against terrorism that may soon involve
sending thousands of American troops into combat in Iraq. I
voted against the Congressional resolution giving the
president authority to carry out this war -- an engagement
that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin
Laden and bring him to justice.
Nothing about "class warfare" there.
Post by Serious Sam
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe
that if we are going to send our children to war, the
governing principle must be that of shared sacrifice.
Throughout much of our history, Americans have been asked
to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's true. If the most powerful families sacrificed their
children like the least powerful, we probably wouldn't go to
war near as much, eh Chamois?
Post by Serious Sam
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and
support legislation I will introduce to resume the military
draft.
And in retrospect it was a damn good idea, judging by the
results of Rumsfeld's claim that there were plenty of troops.
That was obvious bullshit.
Post by Serious Sam
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will
require long-term sacrifices by the American people,
particularly those who have sons and daughters in the
military. Yet the Congress that voted overwhelmingly to
allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one member who
has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just a
few more have children who are officers.
Still nothing resembling "class warfare" Shamus. You do have
a cite for me don't you?
Post by Serious Sam
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their
children were likely to be required to serve -- and to be
placed in harm's way -- there would be more caution and a
greater willingness to work with the international
community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of
decisions to go to war.
True, damn true!
So fairness in the Selective Service System is what you call
"class warfare"?
[snip of more stuff that doesn't say "class warfare"]
Post by Serious Sam
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
Holy moly!
Post by Serious Sam
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science
professor, said the call for a draft by two senior black
members of the House "was a way of bringing home . . . a
sensitivity to the stakes that are involved in war."
Walters said, "We have ample National Guard and reserves
for Iraq. I look at it as a political move to call
attention to whose ox is gored in a war."
Well, Walters was pretty far wrong wasn't he Shambahla?
Post by Serious Sam
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War,
where black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of
the dead, according to a study by Charles Moskos and John
Sibley Butler, authors of "Racial Integration the Army
Way."
I see. So you couldn't verify the "class warfare" claim at
all, eh Shammy...
YOU LYING BASTARD!

Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion

Tuesday 31 december 2002


WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a war
against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of American
troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the Congressional resolution
giving the president authority to carry out this war -- an engagement
that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin Laden and bring
him to justice.

But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we are
going to send our children to war, the governing principle must be that
of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history, Americans have been
asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.

That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.

Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who have
sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that voted
overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one
member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just a
few more have children who are officers.

I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were
likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way --
there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with the
international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of decisions to go to war.

You will rot in HELL you sick weasel bastard!
The Lone Weasel
2004-09-18 16:17:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush
invaded Iraq without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
Yes he did you LYING FUCKER!
FUCK YOU WORTHLESS LYING ASSHOLE, HE WANTED CLASS
WARFARE!
So where did Rangell use the phrase, "class warfare"
Serumous Sam?
Or should I say "Serumous SHAM"?
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Cite.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?
file=/c/a/2003/01/
Post by Serious Sam
03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional
Black Caucus have voiced support for a nationwide military
draft, saying that children of the rich should serve
alongside less privileged Americans in the war on
terrorism.
That's just basic fairness and it would actually prevent
many needless wars like the one in Iraq right now. Nobody
says "class warfare" there.
Post by Serious Sam
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich.,
both armed services veterans, said this week they would
ask the House to consider legislation to reinstitute the
draft, perhaps as early as next week, at the start of the
108th Congress. The United States hasn't drafted troops
since 1973.
These veterans seem especially sensitive to the
consequences of war. Actually, we'd probably be out of
Iraq by now if we'd reactivated the draft then, and
drafted sons and daughters of federal officials first,
starting with the Bush girls.
How would Bush feel then, watching his girls go overseas
to drive supply trucks along those bomb infested Iraqi
highways?
The war would end before the girls finished basic
training. Assuming they didn't go AWOL like their daddy.
Nobody says "class warfare" there.
Post by Serious Sam
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in
terms of our national welfare, then he has to believe that
sacrifices need to be made, and those sacrifices need to
be shared," Rangel said. "We have to kick up a notch the
sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."
Can't deny that. Rangell's right on.
Nothing about "class warfare" in that paragraph.
Post by Serious Sam
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription
process for service in the military becomes universal and
mandatory for all those who meet the criteria . . . it
removes the long-held stigma that people of color and
persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the
front line."
Just like George Mason said back in 1788 about the
militia.
[begin excerpt]
Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, a worthy member has asked
who are the militia, if they be not the people of this
country, and if we are not to be protected from the fate
of the Germans, Prussians, &c., by our representation? I
ask, Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole
people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who
will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on
the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future
day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and
[Page 426] rich and poor; but they may be confined to the
lower and middle classes of the people, granting exclusion
to the higher classes of the people. If we should ever see
that day, the most ignominious punishments and heavy fines
may be expected.
Elliot's Debates, Vol. 3, Page 425
http://www.potowmack.org/thequotes.html
[end excerpt]
Good for John Conyers!
Nobody says "class warfare" in there or in George Mason's
quote, either. Looks like you FAILED AGAIN, SERUMOUS SAM!
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP
through!
Your lying fingers seem at fault now, eh Shamu?
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Let's see your cite of Rangell's verbatim speech.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have
declared a war against terrorism that may soon involve
sending thousands of American troops into combat in Iraq.
I voted against the Congressional resolution giving the
president authority to carry out this war -- an engagement
that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin
Laden and bring him to justice.
Nothing about "class warfare" there.
Post by Serious Sam
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe
that if we are going to send our children to war, the
governing principle must be that of shared sacrifice.
Throughout much of our history, Americans have been asked
to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's true. If the most powerful families sacrificed
their children like the least powerful, we probably
wouldn't go to war near as much, eh Chamois?
Post by Serious Sam
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and
support legislation I will introduce to resume the
military draft.
And in retrospect it was a damn good idea, judging by the
results of Rumsfeld's claim that there were plenty of
troops. That was obvious bullshit.
Post by Serious Sam
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will
require long-term sacrifices by the American people,
particularly those who have sons and daughters in the
military. Yet the Congress that voted overwhelmingly to
allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one member
who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military --
just a few more have children who are officers.
Still nothing resembling "class warfare" Shamus. You do
have a cite for me don't you?
Post by Serious Sam
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their
children were likely to be required to serve -- and to be
placed in harm's way -- there would be more caution and a
greater willingness to work with the international
community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of
decisions to go to war.
True, damn true!
So fairness in the Selective Service System is what you
call "class warfare"?
[snip of more stuff that doesn't say "class warfare"]
Post by Serious Sam
Laugh at YOUR OWN LIYING you worthless trouser weasel!
You are BUSTED!
Holy moly!
Post by Serious Sam
"Ron Walters, a University of Maryland political science
professor, said the call for a draft by two senior black
members of the House "was a way of bringing home . . . a
sensitivity to the stakes that are involved in war."
Walters said, "We have ample National Guard and reserves
for Iraq. I look at it as a political move to call
attention to whose ox is gored in a war."
Well, Walters was pretty far wrong wasn't he Shambahla?
Post by Serious Sam
The belief that African Americans and other minorities die
disproportionately in combat is as old as the Vietnam War,
where black soldiers represented more than 12 percent of
the dead, according to a study by Charles Moskos and John
Sibley Butler, authors of "Racial Integration the Army
Way."
I see. So you couldn't verify the "class warfare" claim
at all, eh Shammy...
YOU LYING BASTARD!
Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion
Tuesday 31 december 2002
WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have
declared a war against terrorism that may soon involve
sending thousands of American troops into combat in Iraq. I
voted against the Congressional resolution giving the
president authority to carry out this war -- an engagement
that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin
Laden and bring him to justice.
But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe
that if we are going to send our children to war, the
governing principle must be that of shared sacrifice.
Throughout much of our history, Americans have been asked
to shoulder the burden of war equally.
That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and
support legislation I will introduce to resume the military
draft.
Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will
require long-term sacrifices by the American people,
particularly those who have sons and daughters in the
military. Yet the Congress that voted overwhelmingly to
allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one member who
has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just a
few more have children who are officers.
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their
children were likely to be required to serve -- and to be
placed in harm's way -- there would be more caution and a
greater willingness to work with the international
community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of
decisions to go to war.
You will rot in HELL you sick weasel bastard!
[begin excerpt]

Mr. GEORGE MASON. Mr. Chairman, a worthy member has asked
who are the militia, if they be not the people of this
country, and if we are not to be protected from the fate
of the Germans, Prussians, &c., by our representation? I
ask, Who are the militia? They consist now of the whole
people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who
will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on
the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future
day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and
[Page 426] rich and poor; but they may be confined to the
lower and middle classes of the people, granting exclusion
to the higher classes of the people. If we should ever see
that day, the most ignominious punishments and heavy fines
may be expected.

Elliot's Debates, Vol. 3, Page 425

http://www.potowmack.org/thequotes.html

[end excerpt]

George Mason - instigator of class warfare? I just don't
think so, Serumous Sam. Rangell and Conyers, like George
Mason, argue for fairness in military service. It would be a
healthy and smart thing to do.

Let's see your argument against fairness, Serumous Sam.

__________________


“I know that I didn’t type them. However, the
information in those is correct.”

Knox says she didn’t type these memos, but she says she did
type ones that contained the same information.

For The Record: Bush Documents
Sept. 15, 2004

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/15/60II/main643768.sh
tml
--
Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-17 20:55:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
Class warfare? That's a hoot. SUggesting a draft would result in
fighting the war in a way that class was not a factor becomes class
warfare? You're a hoot. He wanted a universal draft so the guys who
vote to send other people's kids to war would be putting their kids on
the line too.

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Just another albino black sheep
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 20:56:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
Class warfare? That's a hoot.
Read it and weep you lying sack of liberal shit!


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL

Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus
have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying that
children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged Americans in
the war on terrorism.

Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to consider
legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as next week, at
the start of the 108th Congress. The United States hasn't drafted troops
since 1973.

"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have to
kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."

Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-17 21:32:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
And you call that class warfare? Neutralizing the effect of class.
You're an ass or an idiot or both.

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Just another albino black sheep
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-17 21:43:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
And you call that class warfare? Neutralizing the effect of class.
You're an ass or an idiot or both.
- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
I say he is both. Throw in a gallon of hypocrite, a dollop of
douchebag, and an idustrial drum of fucktard, and there you have Uncle
Spamuel.
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 21:58:24 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
I say he is both.
Drop fucking dead you waste of $5 in electrolytes!
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 21:58:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
And you call that class warfare?
Damns straight.

It's an all *volunteer* armed forces shit head - no class quota at all!
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 00:43:12 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
And you call that class warfare?
Damns straight.
It's an all *volunteer* armed forces shit head - no class quota at all!
Ah yes and that's why no Congressman has a son in it. The rich are as
free as the poor to sleep under bridges.

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Just another albino black sheep
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:12:14 UTC
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Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
And you call that class warfare?
Damns straight.
It's an all *volunteer* armed forces shit head - no class quota at all!
Ah yes and that's why no Congressman has a son in it.
Let's see we have how many Congress-people in total?

Vs. a nation of almost 300 million...

nuff said.
Post by r***@comcast.net
The rich are as
free as the poor to sleep under bridges.
And when was the last time a poor man built a bridge?
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-17 21:41:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
http://www.americandaily.com/article/3426
Class warfare? That's a hoot.
Read it and weep you lying sack of liberal shit!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL
Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus
have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying that
children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged Americans in
the war on terrorism.
Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to consider
legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as next week, at
the start of the 108th Congress. The United States hasn't drafted troops
since 1973.
"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have to
kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."
Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
Repetition does neither add nor create credibility.
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-17 21:00:22 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left wanted, they
began attempting to politicize the military itself. Falling back on
standard Democrat class warfare tactics, the anti-war Left, led by
Charlie Rangel (D-NY), began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling
for a draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was ''unfair'' to
minorities and the poor.
That would be the Rangell who spent 4 years in Korea, winning a purple
heart and a bronze star. You guys really hate these veterans when
they start talking about wars.

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Just another albino black sheep
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 21:55:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left wanted, they
began attempting to politicize the military itself. Falling back on
standard Democrat class warfare tactics, the anti-war Left, led by
Charlie Rangel (D-NY), began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling
for a draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was ''unfair'' to
minorities and the poor.
That would be the Rangell who spent 4 years in Korea
I don't give a flying fuck if he spent 4 years in outer space, he's a
damned racist jerkwad!
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 00:45:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left wanted, they
began attempting to politicize the military itself. Falling back on
standard Democrat class warfare tactics, the anti-war Left, led by
Charlie Rangel (D-NY), began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling
for a draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was ''unfair'' to
minorities and the poor.
That would be the Rangell who spent 4 years in Korea
I don't give a flying fuck if he spent 4 years in outer space, he's a
damned racist jerkwad!
Um no. That would be you. You're projection gets ever worse.

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Just another albino black sheep
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:13:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
Post by r***@comcast.net
Post by Serious Sam
When that didn't drum up the anti-war sentiment the Left wanted, they
began attempting to politicize the military itself. Falling back on
standard Democrat class warfare tactics, the anti-war Left, led by
Charlie Rangel (D-NY), began--isn't irony incredible?--actually calling
for a draft, claiming that an all-volunteer military was ''unfair'' to
minorities and the poor.
That would be the Rangell who spent 4 years in Korea
I don't give a flying fuck if he spent 4 years in outer space, he's a
damned racist jerkwad!
Um no. That would be you.
Nope, I didn't call for a draft to punish "white America".
George Harrison
2004-09-18 03:21:46 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq without
sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Bush lied about the WMD's and the people of the world know it,
as well as, we Americans.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:21:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by George Harrison
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq without
sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Bush lied
FUCK YOUR CHANGUING THE SUBJECT, THIS ASSHOLE LIED AND SO DID YOU!

DROP DEAD YOU BASTARD!
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 04:37:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Post by George Harrison
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Bush lied
FUCK YOUR CHANGUING THE SUBJECT, THIS ASSHOLE LIED AND SO DID YOU!
DROP DEAD YOU BASTARD!
If Bush is "THIS ASSHOLE" as you say, he's been lying for years. He's
uncompassionate, a divider, not a uniter, he's a murderer, a failed
economist, a failed politician, a failed businessman, a failed Governor
and a failed human being.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:11:34 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by George Harrison
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Bush lied
FUCK YOUR CHANGUING THE SUBJECT, THIS ASSHOLE LIED AND SO DID YOU!
DROP DEAD YOU BASTARD!
If Bush is
No, YOU are the ASSHOLE!
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 04:56:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Serious Sam
Post by George Harrison
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Bush lied
FUCK YOUR CHANGUING THE SUBJECT, THIS ASSHOLE LIED AND SO DID YOU!
DROP DEAD YOU BASTARD!
http://www.urbandictionary.com/download.php/7482/Im+Rick+James+bitch.mp3
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:15:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by George Harrison
Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength,
No he didn't you fucking LIAR!
He wanted to engage in class warfare, and even said so~!
Damn your lying eyes for trying to sneak that CRAP through!
Bush lied
FUCK YOUR CHANGUING THE SUBJECT, THIS ASSHOLE LIED AND SO DID YOU!
DROP DEAD YOU BASTARD!
http://www.urban
..decay...
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 04:27:57 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:21:46 -0700, George Harrison
Post by George Harrison
Bush lied about the WMD's and the people of the world know it,
as well as, we Americans.
Remember the "I have no war plan for Iraq on my desk" routine too?

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Just another albino black sheep
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:03:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@comcast.net
Just another albino black sheep
Just another hawaii.politics racist troll.
The Lone Weasel
2004-09-18 16:06:02 UTC
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Post by r***@comcast.net
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 20:21:46 -0700, George Harrison
Post by George Harrison
Bush lied about the WMD's and the people of the world
know it,
as well as, we Americans.
Remember the "I have no war plan for Iraq on my desk"
routine too?
Like his promise to renew the assault weapon ban, but not if
he has to call Tom DeLay about it?

__________________


“I know that I didn’t type them. However, the
information in those is correct.”

Knox says she didn’t type these memos, but she says she did
type ones that contained the same information.

For The Record: Bush Documents
Sept. 15, 2004

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/15/60II/main643768.sh
tml
--
Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
Steven D. Litvintchouk
2004-09-17 20:31:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ.
Post by The Lone Weasel
The only reason they haven't already done it is because
they want to get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it,
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has been
proven correct.
Great! Then in the unlikely eventuality that the Bush Administration
decides a draft is needed, they can endorse Rangel's bill and call for
its passage. That's a great way to put the blame on the Dems.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: ***@earthlinkNOSPAM.net

Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
The Lone Weasel
2004-09-17 20:37:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has
been proven correct.
Great! Then in the unlikely eventuality that the Bush
Administration decides a draft is needed, they can endorse
Rangel's bill and call for its passage. That's a great way
to put the blame on the Dems.
You're registered for the draft, aren't you son?

Good for you.

________________________


Excerpt of former Lt. Governor Ben Barnes on getting Bush
into the National Guard:

"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas Air
Guard - and I'm ashamed." 1


Barnes on his decision to help George W. Bush and others get
into the National Guard:

"I've thought about it an awful lot and you walk through the
Vietnam memorial, particularly at night like I did a few
months ago and, I tell you, you'll think about it a long
time. ...I don't think that I had any right to have the
power that I had to choose who was going to Vietnam and who
was not going to Vietnam. That's power. In some instances,
when I looked at those names, I was maybe determining life
or death and that's not a power that I want to have. ..."


Barnes on his feelings of regret:

"It would be very easy for me to sit here and tell you, Dan,
that I had wrestled with this and lost a lot of sleep at
night, but I wouldn't be telling you the truth. I...not
eagerly, but readily, was willing to call and get those
young men into the National Guard that were friends of mine
and supporters of mine. ...Reflecting back, I'm very sorry
about it, but you know, it happened and it was because of my
ambition, my youth and my lack of understanding. But it
happened and it's not..something I'm necessarily proud of." 2


Ed Gillespie Goes Crazy:

The Barnes interview was supposed to be the highlight of the
evening.

Because of the way the interview was hyped, Republicans
assumed that Barnes was going to change details of the story
he has consistently told about how he helped get Bush into
the Texas Air National Guard.

Priming the GOP troops for a counterattack, Ed Gillespie,
chairman of the RNC, circulated a panicky memo to supporters
on Wednesday claiming that Barnes "will repudiate his
statement under oath that he had no contact with the Bush
family concerning the President's National Guard service."

Gillespie's statement proved to be absolutely false.

Last night Barnes said exactly what he said when his role in
this story first surfaced in The Dallas Morning News in
1999. 3

_____

1. http://69.59.167.160/BarnesonVietnam.wmv

2.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/08/60II/main641984.sh
tml

3 Two-Sided Story by Ryan Lizza, New Republic
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=express&s=lizza090904
--
Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 20:43:05 UTC
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Post by The Lone Weasel
You're registered for the draft, aren't you son?
Are you, you little kraut eating bastard?
David Lentz
2004-09-17 22:57:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has
been proven correct.
Great! Then in the unlikely eventuality that the Bush
Administration decides a draft is needed, they can endorse
Rangel's bill and call for its passage. That's a great way
to put the blame on the Dems.
You're registered for the draft, aren't you son?
Good for you.
________________________
Excerpt of former Lt. Governor Ben Barnes on getting Bush
"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas Air
Guard - and I'm ashamed." 1
How many times do have to be told, Ben Barnes is a liar. You evidently
didn't believe his daughter. Well now we have Colonel Walter "Buck"
Staudt:


http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Vote2004/staudt_bush_040917-1.html

Barnes lied and so did that other feller, Dan Rather.

David
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 00:51:50 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:57:42 GMT, "David Lentz"
Post by David Lentz
Post by The Lone Weasel
"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas Air
Guard - and I'm ashamed." 1
How many times do have to be told, Ben Barnes is a liar. You evidently
didn't believe his daughter. Well now we have Colonel Walter "Buck"
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Vote2004/staudt_bush_040917-1.html
Barnes lied and so did that other feller, Dan Rather.
That would be the guy who got a $40 million contract for his Urban
Development Office from Bush?

Sorry the record is clear. Bush got into a full unit. Jumped several
100 people for flight training, and didn't get int trouble for not
showing up. A favorite son.

As mentioned elsewhere his unit also harbored Lloyd Bensen's son and 6
of the Dallas Cowboys, among other rich, powerful and popular names.

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Just another albino black sheep
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:15:28 UTC
Permalink
***@comcast.net wrote:

Get your worthless ass back to hawaii.politics with Troll/Aids where you
belong asshole!
David Lentz
2004-09-18 10:56:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by r***@comcast.net
On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:57:42 GMT, "David Lentz"
Post by David Lentz
Post by The Lone Weasel
"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas Air
Guard - and I'm ashamed." 1
How many times do have to be told, Ben Barnes is a liar. You evidently
didn't believe his daughter. Well now we have Colonel Walter "Buck"
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Vote2004/staudt_bush_040917-1.html
Post by David Lentz
Barnes lied and so did that other feller, Dan Rather.
That would be the guy who got a $40 million contract for his Urban
Development Office from Bush?
Sorry the record is clear. Bush got into a full unit. Jumped several
100 people for flight training, and didn't get int trouble for not
showing up. A favorite son.
Sorry, Colonel Walter Staudt said that no influence was used to get George
W. Bush into the TexANG. As Staudt is the person who got Bush into the
TexANG, Colonel Staudt would know better than anybody. Bush entered the
TexANG to fly figthers and there were empty billets. The TexANG needed
fighter pilots and Bush qualified.

David
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 15:16:32 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:56:04 GMT, "David Lentz"
Post by David Lentz
Post by r***@comcast.net
Sorry the record is clear. Bush got into a full unit. Jumped several
100 people for flight training, and didn't get int trouble for not
showing up. A favorite son.
Sorry, Colonel Walter Staudt said that no influence was used to get George
W. Bush into the TexANG. As Staudt is the person who got Bush into the
TexANG, Colonel Staudt would know better than anybody. Bush entered the
TexANG to fly figthers and there were empty billets. The TexANG needed
fighter pilots and Bush qualified.
Uh huh. The same Staudt who got a $40 million federal contract for his
Urban Development gig?

Have you seen the new documents released by DOD yesterday? (After
their fourth time of producing "everything"!)

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Just another albino black sheep
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 15:17:24 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 10:56:04 GMT, "David Lentz"
Post by David Lentz
Bush entered the
TexANG to fly figthers and there were empty billets.
And a waiting list of a couple hundred that Bush jumped with almost
the lowest possible passing score.
Post by David Lentz
The TexANG needed
fighter pilots and Bush qualified.
Barely. And he got in with help.


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Just another albino black sheep
Wexford
2004-09-18 06:09:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Lentz
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has
been proven correct.
Great! Then in the unlikely eventuality that the Bush
Administration decides a draft is needed, they can endorse
Rangel's bill and call for its passage. That's a great way
to put the blame on the Dems.
You're registered for the draft, aren't you son?
Good for you.
________________________
Excerpt of former Lt. Governor Ben Barnes on getting Bush
"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas Air
Guard - and I'm ashamed." 1
How many times do have to be told, Ben Barnes is a liar. You evidently
didn't believe his daughter. Well now we have Colonel Walter "Buck"
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Vote2004/staudt_bush_040917-1.html
Barnes lied and so did that other feller, Dan Rather.
David
Barnes is liar??? I tried to join the National Guard in 1968. The
waiting lists for the ANG were YEARS long (but my daddy was a
bricklayer so I had no political clout). I put my name on the list
anyway -- just to enlist, not to become a pilot. (I was a college
graduate, B.S. degree in Finance, minor in math, magna cum laude,
already attending graduate school.) Two years later, when I was
finishing my regular army tour in Vietnam, I received the postcard
from the ANG telling me that my name had finally come up. THERE WAS NO
WAY G BUSH GOT INTO THE GUARD WITHOUT POLITICAL HELP. NO WAY. Aside
from just getting into the guard, they give this booze-soaked frat boy
with a "C" average in Yale's gut course, history, a DIRECT COMMISSION.
You have no idea how utterly astounding this is. I served with men in
the Army who had masters degrees in Engineering, and others who had
law degrees, who couldn't get a direct commission. In order to get a
commission you had to volunteer for OCS AFTER basic and AIT. Army OCS
was 6 horrid months of the most grueling physical and mental
punishment you could imagine. 60% of the candidates didn't make it.

I Believe every word Barnes said, despite his daughter, who probably
doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. (Christ only knows
what my daughter would say about my work.).

Tell you what, Sportin' Life, I'll send you a cashier's check for $100
if you can find proof of anyone else with a resume similar to young
GW's ("C" average history major, no ROTC, no OCS, no special skills)
who was given a direct commission in the National Guard (any state,
any unit, army or air) in 1968.

Wexford
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 06:11:09 UTC
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Post by Wexford
Barnes is liar???
The documents are forged but "accurate"?

Dan Blather is innocent?

You are a moron?
S. O. Damocles
2004-09-18 16:57:39 UTC
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Post by Wexford
Post by David Lentz
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded
Iraq without sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has
been proven correct.
Great! Then in the unlikely eventuality that the Bush
Administration decides a draft is needed, they can
endorse
Rangel's bill and call for its passage. That's a great
way
to put the blame on the Dems.
You're registered for the draft, aren't you son?
Good for you.
________________________
Excerpt of former Lt. Governor Ben Barnes on getting Bush
"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas Air
Guard - and I'm ashamed." 1
How many times do have to be told, Ben Barnes is a liar.
You evidently
didn't believe his daughter. Well now we have Colonel
Walter "Buck"
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/Politics/Vote2004/staudt_bush_040917-1.html
Barnes lied and so did that other feller, Dan Rather.
David
Barnes is liar??? I tried to join the National Guard in
1968. The
waiting lists for the ANG were YEARS long (but my daddy was
a
bricklayer so I had no political clout). I put my name on
the list
anyway -- just to enlist, not to become a pilot. (I was a
college
graduate, B.S. degree in Finance, minor in math, magna cum
laude,
already attending graduate school.) Two years later, when I
was
finishing my regular army tour in Vietnam, I received the
postcard
from the ANG telling me that my name had finally come up.
THERE WAS NO
WAY G BUSH GOT INTO THE GUARD WITHOUT POLITICAL HELP. NO
WAY. Aside
from just getting into the guard, they give this
booze-soaked frat boy
with a "C" average in Yale's gut course, history, a DIRECT
COMMISSION.
You have no idea how utterly astounding this is. I served
with men in
the Army who had masters degrees in Engineering, and others
who had
law degrees, who couldn't get a direct commission. In order
to get a
commission you had to volunteer for OCS AFTER basic and
AIT. Army OCS
was 6 horrid months of the most grueling physical and mental
punishment you could imagine. 60% of the candidates didn't
make it.
I Believe every word Barnes said, despite his daughter, who
probably
doesn't know what the hell she's talking about. (Christ
only knows
what my daughter would say about my work.).
Tell you what, Sportin' Life, I'll send you a cashier's
check for $100
if you can find proof of anyone else with a resume similar
to young
GW's ("C" average history major, no ROTC, no OCS, no
special skills)
who was given a direct commission in the National Guard
(any state,
any unit, army or air) in 1968.
I raise that to $10,000.00
Post by Wexford
Wexford
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 20:42:29 UTC
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Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq without
sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has been proven correct.
Great!
Except he LIED!

Rangel wanted to make a class warfare point - that was his only intent.
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Then in the unlikely eventuality that the Bush Administration
decides a draft is needed, they can endorse Rangel's bill and call for
its passage. That's a great way to put the blame on the Dems.
Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-17 21:40:24 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq without
sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has been proven correct.
Great!
Except he LIED!
Rangel wanted to make a class warfare point - that was his only intent.
I don't see any supporting documentation. You must be full of shit and
making all that up. Typical conservative liar and scapegoater.
Serious Sam
2004-09-17 21:59:00 UTC
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Post by Orwellian Prophecy
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has been proven correct.
Great!
Except he LIED!
Rangel wanted to make a class warfare point - that was his only intent.
I don't see any supporting documentation.
Drop fucking dead you LIAR!


http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/010203B.rangel.oped.htm

Bring Back the Draft
By Charles B. Rangel
New York Times | Opinion

Tuesday 31 december 2002


WASHINGTON | President Bush and his administration have declared a war
against terrorism that may soon involve sending thousands of American
troops into combat in Iraq. I voted against the Congressional resolution
giving the president authority to carry out this war -- an engagement
that would dwarf our military efforts to find Osama bin Laden and bring
him to justice.

But as a combat veteran of the Korean conflict, I believe that if we are
going to send our children to war, the governing principle must be that
of shared sacrifice. Throughout much of our history, Americans have been
asked to shoulder the burden of war equally.

That's why I will ask Congress next week to consider and support
legislation I will introduce to resume the military draft.

Carrying out the administration's policy toward Iraq will require
long-term sacrifices by the American people, particularly those who have
sons and daughters in the military. Yet the Congress that voted
overwhelmingly to allow the use of force in Iraq includes only one
member who has a child in the enlisted ranks of the military -- just a
few more have children who are officers.

I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were
likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way --
there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with the
international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of decisions to go to war.
r***@comcast.net
2004-09-18 00:44:22 UTC
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On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 21:59:00 GMT, Serious Sam <***@zorg.net>
wrote:


Spammy thinks this is class war. What a tool.
Post by Serious Sam
I believe that if those calling for war knew that their children were
likely to be required to serve -- and to be placed in harm's way --
there would be more caution and a greater willingness to work with the
international community in dealing with Iraq. A renewed draft will help
bring a greater appreciation of the consequences of decisions to go to war.
- - - -
Just another albino black sheep
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:11:18 UTC
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Post by r***@comcast.net
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Just another albino black sheep
Bigot fuckface!
Wexford
2004-09-18 06:22:08 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq without
sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has been proven correct.
Great!
Except he LIED!
Rangel wanted to make a class warfare point - that was his only intent.
Class warfare??? You really have memorized all the little rightard
phrases haven't you? Want to know about Class Warfare? Read a history
of the Russian Revolution.

Espousing the theory that we have one country and if it is to be
defended the children of the upper middle class and the rich should
bear arms as well as the children of the poor is hardly class warfare.

What is it with you rightards? It's fine with you if the working
class does the dirty and dangerous work, if their children sweat and
bleed and die in some rotten backwater for an utterly obscure purpose,
sent there on the strength of lies and exaggerations. BUT the simple
statement that fair is fair, if the country we all share is in danger,
then everyone should bear the burden for defense -- that's class
warfare??? What do you call it when only the sons and daughters of the
poor die? Social justice?

Invoking the phrase "class warfare" is a convenient and dishonest
response to an honest proposition. George Washington once spoke with
contempt of "summer soldiers and sunshine patriots" who wouldn't take
up arms when the going was tough. Was he for class warfare, too?

Wexford
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 06:29:39 UTC
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Post by Wexford
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq without
sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has been proven correct.
Great!
Except he LIED!
Rangel wanted to make a class warfare point - that was his only intent.
Class warfare???
Yes you lying liberal ASSHOLE!

Class WARFARE!


http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/01/03/MN169142.DTL

Washington -- Two prominent members of the Congressional Black Caucus
have voiced support for a nationwide military draft, saying that
children of the rich should serve alongside less privileged Americans in
the war on terrorism.

Reps. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., and John Conyers, D-Mich., both armed
services veterans, said this week they would ask the House to consider
legislation to reinstitute the draft, perhaps as early as next week, at
the start of the 108th Congress. The United States hasn't drafted troops
since 1973.

"If indeed the president believes war is necessary in terms of our
national welfare, then he has to believe that sacrifices need to be
made, and those sacrifices need to be shared," Rangel said. "We have to
kick up a notch the sense of patriotism and the sense of obligation."

Conyers said in a statement that "once the conscription process for
service in the military becomes universal and mandatory for all those
who meet the criteria . . . it removes the long-held stigma that people
of color and persons from low-income backgrounds are disproportionately
killed and injured while serving as ground troops on the front line."
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2004-09-18 11:48:54 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Wexford
Post by Serious Sam
Rangel wanted to make a class warfare point - that was his only intent.
Class warfare???
Yes you lying liberal ASSHOLE!
Class WARFARE!
So what if it's class warfare ? Didn't seem to prevent Dick Cheney
from getting deferments to avoid military service obligation in Vietnam.
If there is a draft, then it's class warfare all around, i.e. the class
of American Judeo-Christians against the class of Arab Islamo-Muslims.
On balance the Rangel/Conyers argument doesn't wash, because far
more benefit goes to minorities who serve than any risk of decapitation.
However Rome fell because of heavy reliance on immigrants and the
minorities who fought in her militaries, winning citizenship and other
special perks, which then infiltrated the elite and thinned the ranks of
racial integrity, leading to ultimate disintegration of the Roman Empire.
Which is what the third-world minorities -really- want in today's world:
the -dilution- of strength of white Christian United States of America.
Today's high rates of housing ownership by Hispanics is also reflective
of bogus mortgages in the capitalist scam, leading also to devaluation
of dollars, industrial flight to overseas hiring while importing poverty.
Eventually the plan is to eliminate white culture and have only brownout,
both energywise and racially, so that Planet Earth is transformed into a
huge polluted mess, with all of the colors mixed around on the pallette.
Bring on the draft. Slam those punk rockers into the military stockades !
But who are they going to fight except the special forces CIA dudes who
have riled up enemies so as to provide more realistic training scenarios?
All in all, giant sucking sounds: thoroughly fucked and totally sinful.
Fornicators intent upon child abuse, pedophilia, and armageddon hell.
Has everybody forgotten that there's an H-BOMB with automatic buttons?





- regards
- jb

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Orwellian Prophecy
2004-09-18 21:14:38 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by Wexford
Post by Serious Sam
Post by Steven D. Litvintchouk
Post by The Lone Weasel
Rangell wanted to show what would happen if Bush invaded Iraq
without sufficient troop strength, and Rangell has been proven
correct.
Great!
Except he LIED!
Rangel wanted to make a class warfare point - that was his only intent.
Class warfare???
Yes you lying liberal ASSHOLE!
Class WARFARE!
Total opinion and bullshit. Spammy exceeds Michael Moore for stretching
the truth to fit his nefarious ends.

George Harrison
2004-09-18 03:16:27 UTC
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Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft PDQ.
The only reason they haven't already done it is because they want to
get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it, but don't let the
FACTS get in your way, moron.
Only Bush can sign it into law.
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 04:21:17 UTC
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Post by George Harrison
Post by The Lone Weasel
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft PDQ.
The only reason they haven't already done it is because they want to
get re-elected.
It was a Dem, Charles Rangell who was pushing for it, but don't let
the FACTS get in your way, moron.
Only Bush can sign it into law.
Which means he gets a free ride for how much longer?

FUCK YOU!
Mike Kelly
2004-09-18 03:55:25 UTC
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Post by The Lone Weasel
Does President Bush have any other option but to bring back
the Draft.
The war in Iraq is dragging on and it looks like American
Troops will be there for some years to come.
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft PDQ.
The only reason they haven't already done it is because they
want to get re-elected.
And this is Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Perle/et al, not the
idiot Neocon cheerleader Bush.
As far as I can tell, there is no reason to commence a draft in a nation
that could easily afford to recruit a volunteer force less than that of the
late eighties under Reagan, re-introduce the idea that full-time troops get
deployed, and guard and reserve forces return to their normal patterns of
monthly drilling and annual two-week training. Why on earth would we need a
draft?

It is also apparent that a number of people are under the impression that
the President can do anything more than propose the idea to receptive ears
in Congress. It is Congress that can enact the legislation necessary to
start a draft. The President can only sign the legislation. Basic civics.
The 2008 election really won't bear much on the issue unless their is
significant energy behind a draft on Capitol Hill. And, at present, there
really isn't. Just some rhetorical weather balloons.

MK
The Lone Weasel
2004-09-18 05:07:32 UTC
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Post by Mike Kelly
Post by The Lone Weasel
Does President Bush have any other option but to bring
back the Draft.
The war in Iraq is dragging on and it looks like
American Troops will be there for some years to come.
If they're elected, they'll need to reactivate the draft
PDQ. The only reason they haven't already done it is
because they want to get re-elected.
And this is Cheney/Rumsfeld/Wolfowitz/Perle/et al, not the
idiot Neocon cheerleader Bush.
As far as I can tell, there is no reason to commence a
draft in a nation that could easily afford to recruit a
volunteer force less than that of the late eighties under
Reagan, re-introduce the idea that full-time troops get
deployed, and guard and reserve forces return to their
normal patterns of monthly drilling and annual two-week
training. Why on earth would we need a draft?
The reason is not many young Americans are now crazy enough to
volunteer to go fight in Iraq knowing Bush/Cheney will probably
make them stay there much longer than they agreed to.

Would you?
Post by Mike Kelly
It is also apparent that a number of people are under the
impression that the President can do anything more than
propose the idea to receptive ears in Congress.
A Republican Congress using the war in Iraq as a boondoggle for
Haliburton and thousands of other American companies, will do
whatever Cheney tells them. They have so far.
Post by Mike Kelly
It is
Congress that can enact the legislation necessary to start
a draft. The President can only sign the legislation.
Basic civics.
The Presidency and the Congress are controlled by Republicans.

Basic math.
Post by Mike Kelly
The 2008 election really won't bear much on
the issue unless their is significant energy behind a draft
on Capitol Hill. And, at present, there really isn't.
Just some rhetorical weather balloons.
Our troop strength has been stretched to the breaking point.
Half the troops in Iraq are reserves. Morale is bad. Kerry
can avoid a draft through diplomacy; Bush/Cheney burned the
bridge on diplomacy a long time ago. He'll have to reactivate
the draft.

____________________


SEQUENCE OF EVENTS

Here is a brief overview of what would occur if the United
States returned to a draft:

1. CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZE A DRAFT
A crisis occurs which requires more troops than the volunteer
military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs
legislation which starts a draft.

2. THE LOTTERY
A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which
registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to
be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men
whose 20th birthday falls during that year, followed, if
needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25. 18-year-olds and
those turning 19 would probably not be drafted.

3. ALL PARTS OF SELECTIVE SERVICE ARE ACTIVATED
The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve
Forces Officers to report for duty. See also Agency Structure.

4. PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND MORAL EVALUATION OF REGISTRANTS
Registrants with low lottery numbers are ordered to report for
a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance
Processing Station to determine whether they are fit for
military service. Once he is notified of the results of the
evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim
for exemption, postponement, or deferment. See also
Classifications.

5. LOCAL AND APPEAL BOARDS ACTIVATED AND INDUCTION NOTICES SENT
Local and Appeal Boards will process registrant claims. Those
who pass the military evaluation will receive induction orders.
An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military
Entrance Processing Station for induction.

6. FIRST DRAFTEES ARE INDUCTED
According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the
first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset
of a crisis.

http://www.sss.gov/seq.htm
--
Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 05:15:19 UTC
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The Lone Weasel wrote:


I proved you a LIAR boy!

Go turn tail in some other thread, you punk!
The Lone Weasel
2004-09-18 15:40:16 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
I proved you a LIAR boy!
Go turn tail in some other thread, you punk!
If you proved me a liar why did you delete all your amazing
proof?

________________________


Excerpt of former Lt. Governor Ben Barnes on getting Bush
into the National Guard:

"I got a young man named George W. Bush into the Texas Air
Guard - and I'm ashamed." 1


Barnes on his decision to help George W. Bush and others get
into the National Guard:

"I've thought about it an awful lot and you walk through the
Vietnam memorial, particularly at night like I did a few
months ago and, I tell you, you'll think about it a long
time. ...I don't think that I had any right to have the
power that I had to choose who was going to Vietnam and who
was not going to Vietnam. That's power. In some instances,
when I looked at those names, I was maybe determining life
or death and that's not a power that I want to have. ..."


Barnes on his feelings of regret:

"It would be very easy for me to sit here and tell you, Dan,
that I had wrestled with this and lost a lot of sleep at
night, but I wouldn't be telling you the truth. I...not
eagerly, but readily, was willing to call and get those
young men into the National Guard that were friends of mine
and supporters of mine. ...Reflecting back, I'm very sorry
about it, but you know, it happened and it was because of my
ambition, my youth and my lack of understanding. But it
happened and it's not..something I'm necessarily proud of." 2
--
Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
Serious Sam
2004-09-18 16:42:56 UTC
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Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
I proved you a LIAR boy!
Go turn tail in some other thread, you punk!
If you proved me a liar
I used Rangel's own words to prove you a liar, go fucking drop dead!
The Lone Weasel
2004-09-18 18:59:30 UTC
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Post by Serious Sam
Post by The Lone Weasel
Post by Serious Sam
I proved you a LIAR boy!
Go turn tail in some other thread, you punk!
If you proved me a liar
I used Rangel's own words to prove you a liar, go fucking
drop dead!
And yet you're compelled to delete the lies that prove you're
right, along with your amazing rebuttal.

Wierd, eh Serumous Sam?

__________________


“I know that I didn’t type them. However, the
information in those is correct.”

Knox says she didn’t type these memos, but she says she did
type ones that contained the same information.

For The Record: Bush Documents
Sept. 15, 2004

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/15/60II/main643768.sh
tml
--
Yours truly,

The Lone Weasel
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