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Nine Myths About Socialism in the US

Monday 12 April 2010

by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed


Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.

As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."

The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.

Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation
and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable
European countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech
Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and
Turkey.

When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.

Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.

There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.

Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.

Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.

Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.

Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.

Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.

The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the
family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay
additional benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is
unemployed.

Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.

The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.

In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.

Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.

Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to
be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway
and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and
more of the poor stay poor here in the US.

Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.

In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.

Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.

There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits
is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact
of governmental spending lower.

Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.

The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.

Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on
the path toward socialism.

But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
GaryDeWaay
2010-04-13 03:38:26 UTC
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Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation
and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable
European countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech
Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and
Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the
family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay
additional benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is
unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave.
Korea beat us???



Most of the other 30 countries require a
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to
be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway
and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and
more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits
is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact
of governmental spending lower.
We beat Korea!
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on
the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
--
Increasingly, pundits tell us that the Republican
Party has no program - they are just the party of "No."

But this is really wrong.

The problem isn't that they don't have a program.

The problem is that their programs led us into the worst economic and
foreign policy catastrophes in half a century.

Their problem isn't that they were unable to enact their policies.

The problem is that they did enact their policies - and they were
disasters.
-Robert Creamer-
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2010-04-13 04:33:25 UTC
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http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most
comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland,
Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not
hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of
the family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and
Germany) pay additional benefits if the family is low income or one of
the parents is unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of
paid leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a
minimum of eight paid annual days of leave.
Korea beat us???
Without even breathing hard.
Post by GaryDeWaay
Most of the other 30 countries require a
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US
Than Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends
to be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark,
Norway and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay
rich and more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in
part because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family
benefits is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is
the impact of governmental spending lower.
We beat Korea!
As Homer Simpson would say, "Woo hoo! We're number 29!"
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece.
In 2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not
on the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
None4U
2010-04-13 07:24:11 UTC
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http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most
comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland,
Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not
hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
You Socialist are attacking the middle class. Just like the rich are.
But you asshats tax us more to do it. Youre worse.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Which has nothing to do with healthcare. Its crack babies, gang babies,
genetic rejects, and welfare momms who drink and smoke. And kill their kids
.Not healthcvare.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Yup, Welfare mommies breed kids into gubment mam
ndated poverty. Just like you Socialist wanted.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of
the family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and
Germany) pay additional benefits if the family is low income or one of
the parents is unemployed.
So fucking what. Your Comie Socialist countries are too expensive to
live in. An apartment in paris is a cool millin bucks. And riots run
rampant over the poor living in poverty.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
Because wages are at poverty level in your countries. , And their
Socialist .
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Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
Nobody wants it over huge loss of wages , moron.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of
paid leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a
minimum of eight paid annual days of leave.
Korea beat us???
Without even breathing hard.
Yea those 8 days cost $ 48 dollars. makes me want to work there for 6
bucks a day.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
Most of the other 30 countries require a
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Ok so thats 120 bucks. i will still pass that generous deal up.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US
Than Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends
to be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark,
Norway and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay
rich and more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Your lying again. Australia only transfers 17% of a families wealth
to its kids. The US is 50% Finland is bankrupt. There is no wealth . Its
all gone . Thanks to Socialism. Canada has half the wages of us. Were
richer, and have jobs and cash.
Canada has neither.
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Thats because you Liberals are in charge of the education system.
And have been dumbing down our kids for decades.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in
part because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family
benefits is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is
the impact of governmental spending lower.
Again you are being an idiot. If you want to work for 6 bucks a day and
get paifd to be off . Go for it.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
We beat Korea!
As Homer Simpson would say, "Woo hoo! We're number 29!"
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece.
In 2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Greece is bankrupt. Just like us. And fuck your percentage lie . We
give billions more then any other of your 30 countries.
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Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not
on the path toward socialism.
You havnt presented any facts. Just a bunch of lie spinning .
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
It wont and we wont appreciare it.

Since you like it every where else better. Leave for Socialist Greece
where the rich make 600 a month. Or France where an apartment is a million.
Or japan where a large apartment is the size of a garage.

Youre just a clueless retard.

Unfortunately you retards fail to state that our wages are twice the wages
of the highest wages in those countries you list. You dont want to
discuss wages. Because more wages is Anti Socialist.,


The fact is . We make more wages. Have better healthcare. have better
homes. have better families, Are better in every way. Because we arent
Socialist. Every country you list is a Shithole.

Keep spewing lies retards.

Repercussions are coming retribution wil be swift.
5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
2010-04-13 11:34:26 UTC
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that
the US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is
that the US is much more generous and supportive of our working and
poor people than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it
is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their
own opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our
working and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that
join the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and
most comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico,
Poland, Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot
air myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort
of disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do
not hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
You Socialist are attacking the middle class. Just like the rich are.
But you asshats tax us more to do it. Youre worse.
I think you're lying. Demonstrate that you are middle class and that
your taxes have gone up.
Post by None4U
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Which has nothing to do with healthcare. Its crack babies, gang babies,
genetic rejects, and welfare momms who drink and smoke. And kill their
kids .Not healthcvare.
Ah, so it isn't honest opposition to change. It's naked racism and class
warfare.
Post by None4U
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Yup, Welfare mommies breed kids into gubment mam
ndated poverty. Just like you Socialist wanted.
And gosh, there's all those good jobs just lying around...
Post by None4U
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD
countries pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the
income of the family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria,
France and Germany) pay additional benefits if the family is low
income or one of the parents is unemployed.
So fucking what.
And that's as far as anyone need bother reading with you. Ta ta...
Steve
2010-04-13 12:51:57 UTC
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that
the US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is
that the US is much more generous and supportive of our working and
poor people than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it
is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their
own opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our
working and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that
join the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and
most comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico,
Poland, Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot
air myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort
of disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do
not hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
You Socialist are attacking the middle class. Just like the rich are.
But you asshats tax us more to do it. Youre worse.
I think you're lying. Demonstrate that you are middle class and that
your taxes have gone up.
Post by None4U
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Which has nothing to do with healthcare. Its crack babies, gang babies,
genetic rejects, and welfare momms who drink and smoke. And kill their
kids .Not healthcvare.
Ah, so it isn't honest opposition to change. It's naked racism and class
warfare.
Post by None4U
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Yup, Welfare mommies breed kids into gubment mam
ndated poverty. Just like you Socialist wanted.
And gosh, there's all those good jobs just lying around...
Well.... not for uneducated, unskilled dregs like you, Jamieson.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by None4U
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD
countries pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the
income of the family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria,
France and Germany) pay additional benefits if the family is low
income or one of the parents is unemployed.
So fucking what.
And that's as far as anyone need bother reading with you. Ta ta...
Kevin Cunningham
2010-04-13 12:02:07 UTC
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most
comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland,
Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not
hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
      You Socialist are attacking the middle class.  Just like the rich are.
But you asshats tax us more to do it. Youre worse.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
   Which has nothing to do with healthcare.  Its crack babies, gang babies,
genetic rejects,  and welfare momms who drink and smoke. And kill their kids
.Not healthcvare.
Another filthy lie. The reason babies die in the US is the same
reason that babies die in the third world, lousy availability of
health care. Mothers that can't afford health care have to wait for
an emergency then take their suffering child to the emergency room.
The wait can be from immediate to 12 hours. That means the mother may
have to leave or she will be fired by her job. Now that's a problem.

Other civilized countries with health insurance make sure that the
mother can take the child to a primary care physician, much better
care, much less cost. Emergency rooms are the most expensive places
in the whole hospital but right wing scum want mothers, the poor and,
heck, every one, to use these incredibly expensive places more.

Another right wing lie from a filth ridden right wing liar who never,
ever served his nation, just like Bush, Rove and Cheney.
Steve
2010-04-13 12:51:57 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:02:07 -0700 (PDT), Kevin Cunningham
Post by Kevin Cunningham
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most
comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland,
Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not
hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
      You Socialist are attacking the middle class.  Just like the rich are.
But you asshats tax us more to do it. Youre worse.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
   Which has nothing to do with healthcare.  Its crack babies, gang babies,
genetic rejects,  and welfare momms who drink and smoke. And kill their kids
.Not healthcvare.
Another filthy lie. The reason babies die in the US is the same
reason that babies die in the third world, lousy availability of
health care. Mothers that can't afford health care have to wait for
an emergency then take their suffering child to the emergency room.
The wait can be from immediate to 12 hours.
Utter nonsense... The wait at an ER is going to be less than if they
took their "suffering child" to a doctor's office.
Post by Kevin Cunningham
That means the mother may
have to leave or she will be fired by her job. Now that's a problem.
Other civilized countries with health insurance make sure that the
mother can take the child to a primary care physician, much better
care, much less cost. Emergency rooms are the most expensive places
in the whole hospital but right wing scum want mothers, the poor and,
heck, every one, to use these incredibly expensive places more.
Another right wing lie from a filth ridden right wing liar who never,
ever served his nation, just like Bush, Rove and Cheney.
H***@wood.com
2010-04-13 14:42:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve
Utter nonsense... The wait at an ER is going to be less than if they
took their "suffering child" to a doctor's office.
Any "wait", ER or private for an uninsured is exhorbitant

ER treatment for a serious illness can bankrupt a life-long worker and
put him into the streets.
Geo
2010-04-14 03:22:29 UTC
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most
comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland,
Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not
hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
      You Socialist are attacking the middle class.  Just like the rich are.
But you asshats tax us more to do it. Youre worse.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
   Which has nothing to do with healthcare.  Its crack babies, gang babies,
genetic rejects,  and welfare momms who drink and smoke. And kill their kids
.Not healthcvare.
Another filthy lie.  The reason babies die in the US is the same
reason that babies die in the third world, lousy availability of
health care.  Mothers that can't afford health care have to wait for
an emergency then take their suffering child to the emergency room.
The wait can be from immediate to 12 hours.  That means the mother may
have to leave or she will be fired by her job.  Now that's a problem.
The problem is the BS you are trying to pass as fact. The U.S. is one
of only a few countries that record all infant mortality in their
statistics. Most countries exclude deaths from high risk pregnancies
and exclude deaths when the baby dies immediately after child birth
(the US counts these deaths in their statistics, most of Europe does
not). When you compare infant mortality statistics you need to look
for the definitions. What, for instance, constitutes a live birth?
In the United States any infant exhibiting any sign of life is
considered to be alive. It doesn't matter how small, how premature or
how much it weights. In countries like France, the Netherlands and
Ireland they don't count the birth as a live birth unless the infant
weighs more than 500 grams or the mother was ay least 22 months along
in the pregnancy. Other countries won't count the birth as being a
live birth unless the infant survives for s specified period of
time.You need to look at the definitions as to how each of these
countries defines it. This misleading statistic is so abused by your
side, and you fall for it hook, line and sinker.
Other civilized countries with health insurance make sure that the
mother can take the child to a primary care physician, much better
care, much less cost.  Emergency rooms are the most expensive places
in the whole hospital but right wing scum want mothers, the poor and,
heck, every one, to use these incredibly expensive places more.
Another right wing lie from a filth ridden right wing liar who never,
ever served his nation, just like Bush, Rove and Cheney.
None4U
2010-04-13 07:25:24 UTC
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most
comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland,
Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not
hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of
the family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and
Germany) pay additional benefits if the family is low income or one of
the parents is unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of
paid leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a
minimum of eight paid annual days of leave.
Korea beat us???
Without even breathing hard.
Post by GaryDeWaay
Most of the other 30 countries require a
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US
Than Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends
to be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark,
Norway and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay
rich and more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in
part because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family
benefits is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is
the impact of governmental spending lower.
We beat Korea!
As Homer Simpson would say, "Woo hoo! We're number 29!"
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece.
In 2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not
on the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
it doesnt ashole. Socialist become fascist.


Hitler was a Socialist

look what he did.
5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
2010-04-13 11:26:30 UTC
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Post by None4U
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that
the US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is
that the US is much more generous and supportive of our working and
poor people than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it
is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their
own opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our
working and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that
join the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and
most comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico,
Poland, Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot
air myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort
of disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do
not hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against
the rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US
are below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US
have been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the
1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD
countries pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the
income of the family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria,
France and Germany) pay additional benefits if the family is low
income or one of the parents is unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid
leave. The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the
countries give some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives
no paid leave for fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of
paid leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a
minimum of eight paid annual days of leave.
Korea beat us???
Without even breathing hard.
Post by GaryDeWaay
Most of the other 30 countries require a
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US
Than Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends
to be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark,
Norway and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay
rich and more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about
average among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement
of US children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public
spending for childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom
third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich
to the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in
part because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family
benefits is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is
the impact of governmental spending lower.
We beat Korea!
As Homer Simpson would say, "Woo hoo! We're number 29!"
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across
the World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece.
In 2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not
on the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I
think we could all appreciate it.
it doesnt ashole. Socialist become fascist.
Hitler was a Socialist
look what he did.
So in the end, what you're telling us is that you are an empty headed
moron who has absolutely nothing to say.

Is that right?
Steve
2010-04-13 11:29:39 UTC
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by None4U
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that
the US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is
that the US is much more generous and supportive of our working and
poor people than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it
is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their
own opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our
working and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that
join the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and
most comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico,
Poland, Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot
air myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort
of disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do
not hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against
the rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US
are below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US
have been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the
1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD
countries pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the
income of the family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria,
France and Germany) pay additional benefits if the family is low
income or one of the parents is unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid
leave. The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the
countries give some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives
no paid leave for fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of
paid leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a
minimum of eight paid annual days of leave.
Korea beat us???
Without even breathing hard.
Post by GaryDeWaay
Most of the other 30 countries require a
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US
Than Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends
to be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark,
Norway and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay
rich and more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about
average among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement
of US children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public
spending for childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom
third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich
to the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in
part because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family
benefits is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is
the impact of governmental spending lower.
We beat Korea!
As Homer Simpson would say, "Woo hoo! We're number 29!"
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across
the World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece.
In 2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not
on the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I
think we could all appreciate it.
it doesnt ashole. Socialist become fascist.
Hitler was a Socialist
look what he did.
So in the end, what you're telling us is that you are an empty headed
moron who has absolutely nothing to say.
Is that right?
Lazy, immature losers like Zepp want socialism rather than have to
compete with people for a living
duckstandard
2010-04-14 04:10:30 UTC
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by GaryDeWaay
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http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic
Cooperation and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most
comparable European countries, but also include some struggling
countries like Czech Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland,
Slovak Republic and Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not
hold up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking
the Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries -
better only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of
the family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and
Germany) pay additional benefits if the family is low income or one of
the parents is unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of
paid leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a
minimum of eight paid annual days of leave.
Korea beat us???
Without even breathing hard.
Post by GaryDeWaay
Most of the other 30 countries require a
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US
Than Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends
to be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark,
Norway and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay
rich and more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in
part because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family
benefits is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is
the impact of governmental spending lower.
We beat Korea!
As Homer Simpson would say, "Woo hoo! We're number 29!"
Post by GaryDeWaay
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece.
In 2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not
on the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
it doesnt ashole. Socialist become fascist.
Hitler was a Socialist
look what he did.
Yea he was quite liberal, with his death camps and all, right dumbfuck.
Steve
2010-04-13 10:11:43 UTC
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation
and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable
European countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech
Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and
Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Lefterloons like to make up "facts" (like the above) to bolster their
arguments..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
The USA has the drug problem which greatly increases infant mortality
numbers and has nothing to do with our health care..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
The poor in the USA live better then middle classes in other countries
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the
family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay
additional benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is
unemployed.
Why should the government pay people to have children in the first
place?
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
The immature lefties are always looking for freebies... it's their
nature
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to
be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway
and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and
more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
The teacher's unions have already gutted the public school system of
any quality..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits
is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact
of governmental spending lower.
40% of the people who earn incomes pay no income tax at all... 30%
of those get a check from the government instead of paying income tax.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
<LOL> and yet the USA is near the top in total dollars.... also:
The US gives away lots of money outside of the OECD...
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on
the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
The far left loons want socialism so they can get more freebies.. Fat,
lazy pigs like Jamieson believe that they deserve to be able to reach
onto other people's pockets...
David Hartung
2010-04-13 13:29:18 UTC
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Post by Steve
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:58:02 -0500, "5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation
and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable
European countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech
Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and
Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Lefterloons like to make up "facts" (like the above) to bolster their
arguments..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
The USA has the drug problem which greatly increases infant mortality
numbers and has nothing to do with our health care..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
The poor in the USA live better then middle classes in other countries
I have seen this many times, does anyone have a cigte?
Post by Steve
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the
family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay
additional benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is
unemployed.
Why should the government pay people to have children in the first
place?
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
The immature lefties are always looking for freebies... it's their
nature
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to
be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway
and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and
more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
The teacher's unions have already gutted the public school system of
any quality..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits
is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact
of governmental spending lower.
40% of the people who earn incomes pay no income tax at all... 30%
of those get a check from the government instead of paying income tax.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
The US gives away lots of money outside of the OECD...
Do these figures take into account private giving?
Post by Steve
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on
the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
The far left loons want socialism so they can get more freebies.. Fat,
lazy pigs like Jamieson believe that they deserve to be able to reach
onto other people's pockets...
s***@board.net
2010-04-13 14:43:59 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
The poor in the USA live better then middle classes in other countries
I have seen this many times, does anyone have a cigte?
It's utter nonsense

Trying to compare how our poor live and how a dump picker in India
live is just more of CanyonLoon's utter bullshit

Not surprising you'd kiss his ass, Hartung
Steve
2010-04-13 15:50:29 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:58:02 -0500, "5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation
and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable
European countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech
Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and
Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Lefterloons like to make up "facts" (like the above) to bolster their
arguments..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
The USA has the drug problem which greatly increases infant mortality
numbers and has nothing to do with our health care..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
The poor in the USA live better then middle classes in other countries
I have seen this many times, does anyone have a cigte?
Post by Steve
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the
family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay
additional benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is
unemployed.
Why should the government pay people to have children in the first
place?
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
The immature lefties are always looking for freebies... it's their
nature
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to
be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway
and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and
more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
The teacher's unions have already gutted the public school system of
any quality..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits
is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact
of governmental spending lower.
40% of the people who earn incomes pay no income tax at all... 30%
of those get a check from the government instead of paying income tax.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
The US gives away lots of money outside of the OECD...
Do these figures take into account private giving?
You know the lefterloons are spinning when they cherry pick data to
try to make their point..
Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on
the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
The far left loons want socialism so they can get more freebies.. Fat,
lazy pigs like Jamieson believe that they deserve to be able to reach
onto other people's pockets...
H***@wood.com
2010-04-13 17:35:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve
Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
The US gives away lots of money outside of the OECD...
Do these figures take into account private giving?
You know the lefterloons are spinning when they cherry pick data to
try to make their point..
It's a "minor point" to suggest someone who has a $100,000 in his
pocket---drops a dollar into a "tin cup" can't call themselves
"Charitable"?

It's cheap, immoral, and unethical
5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
2010-04-13 20:54:55 UTC
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Post by H***@wood.com
Post by Steve
Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
The US gives away lots of money outside of the OECD...
Do these figures take into account private giving?
You know the lefterloons are spinning when they cherry pick data to
try to make their point..
It's a "minor point" to suggest someone who has a $100,000 in his
pocket---drops a dollar into a "tin cup" can't call themselves
"Charitable"?
It's cheap, immoral, and unethical
You're dealing with a troll who likes to pretend he's Thurston Howell
the third, of Gilligan's Island.
Steve
2010-04-13 21:25:27 UTC
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:54:55 -0700, "5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by H***@wood.com
Post by Steve
Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
The US gives away lots of money outside of the OECD...
Do these figures take into account private giving?
You know the lefterloons are spinning when they cherry pick data to
try to make their point..
It's a "minor point" to suggest someone who has a $100,000 in his
pocket---drops a dollar into a "tin cup" can't call themselves
"Charitable"?
It's cheap, immoral, and unethical
I never drop a dollar in any tin cups...
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
You're dealing with a troll who likes to pretend he's Thurston Howell
the third, of Gilligan's Island.
<LOL> Zepp is so jealous... At his age I was retired and living
off the fruits of my endeavor and here he is wondering where his next
meal will come from....
Milt
2010-04-13 18:01:38 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:58:02 -0500, "5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation
and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable
European countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech
Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and
Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Lefterloons like to make up "facts" (like the above) to bolster their
arguments..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
The USA has the drug problem which greatly increases infant mortality
numbers and has nothing to do with our health care..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
The poor in the USA live better then middle classes in other countries
I have seen this many times, does anyone have a cigte?
Not likely, because it's crap. It's one of those statements that
sounds great, but actually says nothing. First, you would have to
define middle class, and everyone would have to agree with it. Then,
you'd have to define poor here, and everyone would have to agree with
that, as well. Then, you'd have to define "live better." In every
other industrialized country in the world, everyone, ragardless of
income level, is entitled to roof over their head, food in their
belly and basic health care. In most other industrialized countries,
if you work for a living and lose your job, you're entitled to be paid
a significant portion of your pay until you find another one. In most
other industrialized countries, workers are guaranteed overtime pay
for more than 35 hours a week, and are entitled to six weeks of paid
leave every year.

I'm not saying the statement he's making is untrue; I'm saying there
will be no cite for something like that, because the definitions of
all the terms are subjective. Our poor are better off than the poor in
many third world countries. Better than the middle classes? Depends.
But our poor are screwed when compared to the poor in the rest of the
industrialized world. There can be little argument of that.
Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the
family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay
additional benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is
unemployed.
Why should the government pay people to have children in the first
place?
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
The immature lefties are always looking for freebies...  it's their
nature
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to
be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway
and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and
more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
The teacher's unions have already gutted the public school system of
any quality..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits
is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact
of governmental spending lower.
40% of the people who earn incomes pay no income tax at all...   30%
of those get a check from the government instead of paying income tax.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
The US gives away lots of money outside of the OECD...
Do these figures take into account private giving?
Post by Steve
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on
the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
The far left loons want socialism so they can get more freebies.. Fat,
lazy pigs like Jamieson believe that they deserve to be able to reach
onto other people's pockets...
Steve
2010-04-13 21:25:27 UTC
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Post by Milt
Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 21:58:02 -0500, "5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09"
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation
and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable
European countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech
Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and
Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Lefterloons like to make up "facts" (like the above) to bolster their
arguments..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
The USA has the drug problem which greatly increases infant mortality
numbers and has nothing to do with our health care..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
The poor in the USA live better then middle classes in other countries
I have seen this many times, does anyone have a cigte?
Not likely, because it's crap. It's one of those statements that
sounds great, but actually says nothing. First, you would have to
define middle class, and everyone would have to agree with it. Then,
you'd have to define poor here, and everyone would have to agree with
that, as well. Then, you'd have to define "live better." In every
other industrialized country in the world, everyone, ragardless of
income level, is entitled to roof over their head, food in their
belly and basic health care. In most other industrialized countries,
if you work for a living and lose your job, you're entitled to be paid
a significant portion of your pay until you find another one. In most
other industrialized countries, workers are guaranteed overtime pay
for more than 35 hours a week, and are entitled to six weeks of paid
leave every year.
I'm not saying the statement he's making is untrue; I'm saying there
will be no cite for something like that, because the definitions of
all the terms are subjective. Our poor are better off than the poor in
many third world countries. Better than the middle classes? Depends.
But our poor are screwed when compared to the poor in the rest of the
industrialized world. There can be little argument of that.
If Milt says it, you can bet that it's wrong..
Post by Milt
Post by David Hartung
Post by Steve
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the
family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay
additional benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is
unemployed.
Why should the government pay people to have children in the first
place?
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
The immature lefties are always looking for freebies...  it's their
nature
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to
be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway
and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and
more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
The teacher's unions have already gutted the public school system of
any quality..
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits
is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact
of governmental spending lower.
40% of the people who earn incomes pay no income tax at all...   30%
of those get a check from the government instead of paying income tax.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
The US gives away lots of money outside of the OECD...
Do these figures take into account private giving?
Post by Steve
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on
the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
The far left loons want socialism so they can get more freebies.. Fat,
lazy pigs like Jamieson believe that they deserve to be able to reach
onto other people's pockets...
David Hartung
2010-04-14 02:43:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Milt
Post by Steve
The poor in the USA live better then middle classes in other countries
I have seen this many times, does anyone have a cite?
Not likely, because it's crap. It's one of those statements that
sounds great, but actually says nothing. First, you would have to
define middle class, and everyone would have to agree with it. Then,
you'd have to define poor here, and everyone would have to agree with
that, as well. Then, you'd have to define "live better." In every
other industrialized country in the world, everyone, regardless of
income level, is entitled to roof over their head, food in their
belly and basic health care. In most other industrialized countries,
if you work for a living and lose your job, you're entitled to be paid
a significant portion of your pay until you find another one. In most
other industrialized countries, workers are guaranteed overtime pay
for more than 35 hours a week, and are entitled to six weeks of paid
leave every year.
I'm not saying the statement he's making is untrue; I'm saying there
will be no cite for something like that, because the definitions of
all the terms are subjective. Our poor are better off than the poor in
many third world countries. Better than the middle classes? Depends.
But our poor are screwed when compared to the poor in the rest of the
industrialized world. There can be little argument of that.
Good post Milt, although your last statement is as subjective as
Canyon's was. Given the fact that the biggest health problem among
American poor seems to be obesity, I personally have a hard time
believing that they are being "screwed".
Billary
2010-04-13 11:44:04 UTC
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On Apr 12, 10:58 pm, "5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09" <***@dead.com>
wrote:

Yup. And I am AT home in Brooklyn this week. And the big story here is
that the City nees to close 20 Day Care centers. One maggot was
bitching that she can't afford day care because it costs over $1,000
per month in Brooklyn. But that at the center it costs here only
$20!!!!

If you want to see the problem with Socialism and "the working
class". Just come to the big apple. The redistridution of wealth
schemes here are imploding on themselves. EVEN NYC LIBERALS CANT
STAND IT ANYMORE. Taxpayers are tired of paying for the maggots to
suck their tits.

It's why I fled NYC back in the 90's and moved to a more
"conservative" state.

Here is one of the articles regarding this matter.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/searchlight/20100315/203/3212
5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
2010-04-13 16:40:35 UTC
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Post by Billary
Yup. And I am AT home in Brooklyn this week. And the big story here is
that the City nees to close 20 Day Care centers. One maggot was bitching
that she can't afford day care because it costs over $1,000 per month in
Brooklyn. But that at the center it costs here only $20!!!!
Let me guess: being a good little authoritarian sort, you think the woman
should have had herself sterilized at age 14 so the problem of working
mom's and child care would never crop up.
Post by Billary
If you want to see the problem with Socialism and "the working class".
Just come to the big apple. The redistridution of wealth schemes here
are imploding on themselves. EVEN NYC LIBERALS CANT STAND IT ANYMORE.
Taxpayers are tired of paying for the maggots to suck their tits.
It's why I fled NYC back in the 90's and moved to a more "conservative"
state.
Here is one of the articles regarding this matter.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/searchlight/20100315/203/3212
Milt
2010-04-13 18:08:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
Yup. And I am AT home in Brooklyn this week. And the big story here is
that the City nees to close 20 Day Care centers. One maggot was bitching
that she can't afford day care because it costs over $1,000 per month in
Brooklyn. But that at the center it costs here only $20!!!!
How long is the waiting list?

I was a single parent for years, and when my son was little, I NEVER
paid less than $80 a week for day care, and that wasn't in New York
City. I can only imagine how much day care sets people back up there.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Let me guess: being a good little authoritarian sort, you think the woman
should have had herself sterilized at age 14 so the problem of working
mom's and child care would never crop up.  
Have you noticed how many virgin births apparently occur every year?
Notice that the woman is the one who's the big whiny pain in the ass,
but no one mentions that, at some point a man was involved, and
abdicated his responsibility. Perhaps we should force men to be
responsible for their kids, and let the women off the hook somewhat?

I would also point out that, if a woman is using child care, she's
probably working and paying taxes. So how is it that everyone else is
subsidizing her?
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
If you want to see the problem with Socialism and "the working class".
Just come to the big apple. The redistridution of wealth schemes here
are imploding on themselves.  EVEN NYC LIBERALS CANT STAND IT ANYMORE.
Taxpayers are tired of paying for the maggots to suck their tits.
It's why I fled NYC back in the 90's and moved to a more "conservative"
state.
Here is one of the articles regarding this matter.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/searchlight/20100315/203/3212
Billary
2010-04-13 19:09:31 UTC
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Post by Milt
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
Yup. And I am AT home in Brooklyn this week. And the big story here is
that the City nees to close 20 Day Care centers. One maggot was bitching
that she can't afford day care because it costs over $1,000 per month in
Brooklyn. But that at the center it costs here only $20!!!!
How long is the waiting list?
I was a single parent for years, and when my son was little, I NEVER
paid less than $80 a week for day care, and that wasn't in New York
City. I can only imagine how much day care sets people back up there.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Let me guess: being a good little authoritarian sort, you think the woman
should have had herself sterilized at age 14 so the problem of working
mom's and child care would never crop up.  
Have you noticed how many virgin births apparently occur every year?
Notice that the woman is the one who's the big whiny pain in the ass,
but no one mentions that, at some point a man was involved, and
abdicated his responsibility. Perhaps we should force men to be
responsible for their kids, and let the women off the hook somewhat?
I would also point out that, if a woman is using child care, she's
probably working and paying taxes. So how is it that everyone else is
subsidizing her?
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
If you want to see the problem with Socialism and "the working class".
Just come to the big apple. The redistridution of wealth schemes here
are imploding on themselves.  EVEN NYC LIBERALS CANT STAND IT ANYMORE.
Taxpayers are tired of paying for the maggots to suck their tits.
It's why I fled NYC back in the 90's and moved to a more "conservative"
state.
Here is one of the articles regarding this matter.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/searchlight/20100315/203/3212- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The woman was whinning on TV. But the husband was in the background.
They are clearly a working class, stuggling couple with a child. The
liberals in the city of NY have wizend up. They realized that they we
were paying $980/month just so that this couple could vote democrat
and whine about the cost of daycare in Brooklyn. Redistribution only
makes slaves out of people.
Milt
2010-04-13 20:05:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billary
Post by Milt
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
Yup. And I am AT home in Brooklyn this week. And the big story here is
that the City nees to close 20 Day Care centers. One maggot was bitching
that she can't afford day care because it costs over $1,000 per month in
Brooklyn. But that at the center it costs here only $20!!!!
How long is the waiting list?
I was a single parent for years, and when my son was little, I NEVER
paid less than $80 a week for day care, and that wasn't in New York
City. I can only imagine how much day care sets people back up there.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Let me guess: being a good little authoritarian sort, you think the woman
should have had herself sterilized at age 14 so the problem of working
mom's and child care would never crop up.  
Have you noticed how many virgin births apparently occur every year?
Notice that the woman is the one who's the big whiny pain in the ass,
but no one mentions that, at some point a man was involved, and
abdicated his responsibility. Perhaps we should force men to be
responsible for their kids, and let the women off the hook somewhat?
I would also point out that, if a woman is using child care, she's
probably working and paying taxes. So how is it that everyone else is
subsidizing her?
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
If you want to see the problem with Socialism and "the working class".
Just come to the big apple. The redistridution of wealth schemes here
are imploding on themselves.  EVEN NYC LIBERALS CANT STAND IT ANYMORE.
Taxpayers are tired of paying for the maggots to suck their tits.
It's why I fled NYC back in the 90's and moved to a more "conservative"
state.
Here is one of the articles regarding this matter.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/searchlight/20100315/203/3212-Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The woman was whinning on TV. But the husband was in the background.
They are clearly a working class, stuggling couple with a child. The
liberals in the city of NY have wizend up.  They realized that they we
were paying $980/month just so that this couple could vote democrat
and whine about the cost of daycare in Brooklyn.  Redistribution only
makes slaves out of people.
What program pays $980 a month to a day care for a working couple?
I've never seen anything like that at all.

By the way, do they ONLY pay it to Democrats, or are Republicans able
to get the subsidy, as well?
Billary
2010-04-13 23:26:04 UTC
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Post by Milt
Post by Billary
Post by Milt
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
Yup. And I am AT home in Brooklyn this week. And the big story here is
that the City nees to close 20 Day Care centers. One maggot was bitching
that she can't afford day care because it costs over $1,000 per month in
Brooklyn. But that at the center it costs here only $20!!!!
How long is the waiting list?
I was a single parent for years, and when my son was little, I NEVER
paid less than $80 a week for day care, and that wasn't in New York
City. I can only imagine how much day care sets people back up there.
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Let me guess: being a good little authoritarian sort, you think the woman
should have had herself sterilized at age 14 so the problem of working
mom's and child care would never crop up.  
Have you noticed how many virgin births apparently occur every year?
Notice that the woman is the one who's the big whiny pain in the ass,
but no one mentions that, at some point a man was involved, and
abdicated his responsibility. Perhaps we should force men to be
responsible for their kids, and let the women off the hook somewhat?
I would also point out that, if a woman is using child care, she's
probably working and paying taxes. So how is it that everyone else is
subsidizing her?
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
If you want to see the problem with Socialism and "the working class".
Just come to the big apple. The redistridution of wealth schemes here
are imploding on themselves.  EVEN NYC LIBERALS CANT STAND IT ANYMORE.
Taxpayers are tired of paying for the maggots to suck their tits.
It's why I fled NYC back in the 90's and moved to a more "conservative"
state.
Here is one of the articles regarding this matter.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/searchlight/20100315/203/3212-Hidequoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The woman was whinning on TV. But the husband was in the background.
They are clearly a working class, stuggling couple with a child. The
liberals in the city of NY have wizend up.  They realized that they we
were paying $980/month just so that this couple could vote democrat
and whine about the cost of daycare in Brooklyn.  Redistribution only
makes slaves out of people.
What program pays $980 a month to a day care for a working couple?
I've never seen anything like that at all.
By the way, do they ONLY pay it to Democrats, or are Republicans able
to get the subsidy, as well?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I'm visiting here in Brooklyn. I was watching NY1 last night. The big
story is the closing of 20 daycare centers in working class poor
communities. According to the report and my relatives the going rate
for daycare in Brooklyn is $1000/month. The woman, with her husband
in the background was whinning that she only pays $20/month to the
center. And what was she suppossed to do! Unfortunately it cost the
city seven million per year just for rent of the facility. So it seems
that liberals in NYC understand that the wealth transfer, entitlement
society that they created is unsustainable. The house of cards is
tumbling down. And as usual the bottom crust is the first to feel the
pinch. I wonder how long before NY erupts into the kinds of riots I
saw in the 60's whilist growing up in Brooklyn. The socialist
entitlement class will not go down without a fight.
Steve
2010-04-13 21:25:27 UTC
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Post by Milt
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
Yup. And I am AT home in Brooklyn this week. And the big story here is
that the City nees to close 20 Day Care centers. One maggot was bitching
that she can't afford day care because it costs over $1,000 per month in
Brooklyn. But that at the center it costs here only $20!!!!
How long is the waiting list?
I was a single parent for years, and when my son was little, I NEVER
paid less than $80 a week for day care, and that wasn't in New York
City. I can only imagine how much day care sets people back up there.
Errrrr, Milt never paid for day care.. he moved back in with his
mommy and daddy and got day care for free...
Post by Milt
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Let me guess: being a good little authoritarian sort, you think the woman
should have had herself sterilized at age 14 so the problem of working
mom's and child care would never crop up.  
Have you noticed how many virgin births apparently occur every year?
Notice that the woman is the one who's the big whiny pain in the ass,
but no one mentions that, at some point a man was involved, and
abdicated his responsibility. Perhaps we should force men to be
responsible for their kids, and let the women off the hook somewhat?
I would also point out that, if a woman is using child care, she's
probably working and paying taxes. So how is it that everyone else is
subsidizing her?
She's probably getting the <LOL> "negative income tax"...
Post by Milt
Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
Post by Billary
If you want to see the problem with Socialism and "the working class".
Just come to the big apple. The redistridution of wealth schemes here
are imploding on themselves.  EVEN NYC LIBERALS CANT STAND IT ANYMORE.
Taxpayers are tired of paying for the maggots to suck their tits.
It's why I fled NYC back in the 90's and moved to a more "conservative"
state.
Here is one of the articles regarding this matter.
http://www.gothamgazette.com/article/searchlight/20100315/203/3212
Christopher Helms
2010-04-13 12:01:59 UTC
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Post by 5415 Dead, 548 since 1/20/09
http://www.truthout.org/nine-myths-about-socialism-us58513
Nine Myths About Socialism in the US
Monday 12 April 2010
by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Glenn Beck and other far right multi-millionaires are claiming that the
US is hot on the path toward socialism. Part of their claim is that the
US is much more generous and supportive of our working and poor people
than other countries. People may wish it was so, but it is not.
As Sen. Patrick Moynihan used to say "Everyone is entitled to their own
opinions. But everyone is not entitled to their own facts."
The fact is that the US is not really all that generous to our working
and poor people compared to other countries.
Consider the US in comparison to the rest of the 30 countries that join
the US in making up the OECD - the Organization for Economic Cooperation
and Development. These 30 countries include Canada and most comparable
European countries, but also include some struggling countries like Czech
Republic, Greece, Hungary, Korea, Mexico, Poland, Slovak Republic and
Turkey.
When you look at how the US compares to these 30 countries, the hot air
myths about the US government going all out toward socialism sort of
disappear into thin air. Here are some examples of myths that do not hold
up.
Myth No. 1: The US Government Is Involved in Class Warfare, Attacking the
Rich to Lift Up the Poor.
There is a class war going on all right. But it is the rich against the
rest of us and the rich are winning. The gap between the rich and
everyone else is wider in the US than any of the 30 other countries
surveyed. In fact, the top 10 percent in the US have a higher annual
income than any other country. And the poorest 10 percent in the US are
below the average of the other OECD countries. The rich in the US have
been rapidly leaving the middle class and poor behind since the 1980s.
Myth No. 2: The US Already Has the Greatest Health Care System in the
World.
Infant mortality in the US is fourth worst among OECD countries - better
only than Mexico, Turkey and the Slovak Republic.
Myth No. 3: There Is Less Poverty in the US Than Anywhere.
Child poverty in the US, at over 20 percent or one out of every five
kids, is double the average of the 30 OECD countries.
Myth No. 4: The US Is Generous in Its Treatment of Families With Children.
The US ranks in the bottom half of countries in terms of financial
benefits for families with children. Over half of the 30 OECD countries
pay families with children cash benefits regardless of the income of the
family. Some among those countries (e.g. Austria, France and Germany) pay
additional benefits if the family is low income or one of the parents is
unemployed.
Myth No. 5: The US Is Very Supportive of Its Workers.
The US gives no paid leave for working mothers having children. Every
single one of the other 30 OECD countries has some form of paid leave.
The US ranks dead last in this. Over two-thirds of the countries give
some form of paid paternity leave. The US also gives no paid leave for
fathers.
In fact, it is only workers in the US who have no guaranteed days of paid
leave at all. Korea is the next lowest to the US and it has a minimum of
eight paid annual days of leave. Most of the other 30 countries require a
minimum of 20 days of annual paid leave for their workers.
Myth No. 6: Poor People Have More Chance of Becoming Rich in the US Than
Anywhere Else.
Social mobility (how children move up or down the economic ladder in
comparison with their parents) in earnings, wages and education tends to
be easier in Australia, Canada and Nordic countries like Denmark, Norway
and Finland, than in the US. That means more of the rich stay rich and
more of the poor stay poor here in the US.
Myth No. 7: The US Spends Generously on Public Education.
In terms of spending for public education, the US is just about average
among the 30 countries of the OECD. Educational achievement of US
children, however, is seventh worst in the OECD. On public spending for
childcare and early education, the US is in the bottom third.
Myth No. 8: The US Government Is Redistributing Income From the Rich to
the Poor.
There is little redistribution of income by government in the US in part
because spending on social benefits like unemployment and family benefits
is so low. Of the 30 countries in the OECD, only in Korea is the impact
of governmental spending lower.
Myth No. 9: The US Generously Gives Foreign Aid to Countries Across the
World.
The US gives the smallest percentage of aid of any of the developed
countries in the OECD. In 2007, the US was tied for last with Greece. In
2008, we were tied for last with Japan.
Despite the opinions of right-wing folks, the facts say the US is not on
the path toward socialism.
But if socialism means the US would go down the path of being more
generous with our babies, our children, our working families, our
pregnant mothers and our sisters and brothers across the world, I think
we could all appreciate it.
We actually do have a lot of Socialism in this country, but it tends
to benefit Wall Street millionaires, the oil industry, the military
industrial complex and other entities that the Republicans seem to
view as "needy," and right wing talking heads never seem to complain
about it. They whine about how terrible Lyndon Johnson's Great Society
was (if it had been aimed at white millionaires instead of poor black
people I bet they'd fucking love it) and bemoan the fact that it has
cost a trillion dollars since 1964 or whenever it was initiated, while
Republicans can burn through 23 trillion largely unaccounted for
dollars for the banking industry in something like 18 months and
that's just fucking dandy. The fact that few Americans can even read
any more makes it a lot easier for Fox, Lonesome Roads and the rest of
the RNC to keep the myths about Americas "greatness" and "freedom"
alive. Which is wonderful news for the right, because unlike that
socialism they're always bitching about, objective reality gives them
migraines. As I've said before, the right doesn't hate socialism, the
right hates socialism that doesn't benefit the top 5% or so. The right
in this country is *deeply* socialist and redistributionist; they just
have some very Charles Dickens Novel ideas about how socialism and
redistribution should operate.
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