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Ted Kennedy's Basic Values
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Nomen Nescio
2005-01-12 23:20:01 UTC
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Reuters reports from Washington:
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.

"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.

"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
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Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
Johnny Lately
2005-01-12 22:58:11 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
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Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
And we STILL have no WMD's but thanks for playing.
Jim E
2005-01-13 00:44:25 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
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Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
And we STILL have no WMD's but thanks for playing.
Thanks for losing.

YeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Docky Wocky
2005-01-13 01:58:36 UTC
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That's the funniest thing I have heard in months.

Tubby Kennedy and values?

"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision that Democrats
must fight for in the months and years ahead - a vision rooted in our basic
values of opportunity, fairness, tolerance and respect for each other."

So who's ideas is he going to be ripping off?

In one whiskey besotted outburst, he just declared war on every
conservative.
b***@aol.com
2005-01-31 23:51:19 UTC
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That's the funniest thing I have heard in months.
Tubby Kennedy and values?
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision that Democrats
must fight for in the months and years ahead - a vision rooted in our basic
values of opportunity, fairness, tolerance and respect for each other."
So who's ideas is he going to be ripping off?
In one whiskey besotted outburst, he just declared war on every
conservative.
Kennedy is interested in folks who work for a living. The Republicans
are interested in folks who don't have to. 98% to 2%. Given the fact
that dittoheads have spent four years lying at every opportunity, have
dragged their nation into a huge war crime, have destroyed the economy
for working people, and are now attempting to make us the only
industrialized nation on earth with NO social security system and NO
healthcare system at all...I'm surprised more people don't kill
dittoheads while buying packs of cigarettes or waiting for buses.

But this isn't the Democratic way. The Democratic way is to respect
the rule of law, to send these folks off to a fair, impartial and
transparent trial at the Hague, and we'll accept their judgement.
Which I assume will be to hang President Cheney, VP Kenny Boy Lay,
conspirators and promoters of war crimes Murdoch, Moon and Scaife, and
propagandists Limpballs, O'Lielly, Coulter, Hannity, Whorowitz, et al.
Eris
2005-01-15 23:13:38 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
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Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
And we STILL have no WMD's but thanks for playing.
Why are we diverting attention away from the bush, with this thirty
year old stuff?
Clay
2005-01-13 02:35:09 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
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Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
Too funny. It's too bad this clown won't run again for prez in '08.
He'd be dogmeat.

-C-
MFOgilvie
2005-01-13 14:20:00 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
Too funny. It's too bad this clown won't run again for prez in '08.
He'd be dogmeat.
-C-
Did anyone check to see if Sirhan Sirhan got his parole papers yet?
Thom
2005-01-13 15:16:44 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
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Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.

THOM
Jim E
2005-01-14 03:00:56 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.
100,000 killed by drunk drivers who abandoned them in sunken vehicles,
shocking, sounds like something for the feel gooders to fix.
Johnny Lately
2005-01-14 03:00:20 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.
100,000 killed by drunk drivers who abandoned them in sunken vehicles,
shocking, sounds like something for the feel gooders to fix.
Let's bring up Laura Bush's driving record.
Jim E
2005-01-14 04:35:24 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.
100,000 killed by drunk drivers who abandoned them in sunken vehicles,
shocking, sounds like something for the feel gooders to fix.
Let's bring up Laura Bush's driving record.
Go ahead, she never drowned anyone while driving drunk.
Thom
2005-01-14 23:16:46 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.
100,000 killed by drunk drivers who abandoned them in sunken vehicles,
shocking, sounds like something for the feel gooders to fix.
Let's bring up Laura Bush's driving record.
You forgot the little heard of Bush brother who besides being a draft
dodger also killed someone with a car. Then lets bring up the lawsuit
against the chimp-in-charge who was sued for rape and the woman who
sued was found murdered.

THOM
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Go ahead, she never drowned anyone while driving drunk.
OrangeSFO
2005-01-14 21:14:42 UTC
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Kennedy- 1

Bush- 1375 and counting...


You decide.
Jim E
2005-01-15 04:34:00 UTC
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Kennedy- 1
Bush- 1375 and counting...
You decide.
Bogus statement.

The Drunk murdered.
The president is in Command of a military operation.
A conceptual difference impossible for a liberal to comprehend.


Jim E
t***@aol.com
2005-01-18 21:35:13 UTC
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Kennedy- 1
Bush- 1375 and counting...
You decide.
Bogus statement.
The Drunk murdered.
The president is in Command of a military operation.
A conceptual difference impossible for a liberal to comprehend.
What I "comprehend" is 1000 dead Americans due to a phony "hunt for
WMDs".

Who ordered them to their deaths? That's NOT murder??
Jim E
2005-01-19 00:26:27 UTC
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Kennedy- 1
Bush- 1375 and counting...
You decide.
Bogus statement.
The Drunk murdered.
The president is in Command of a military operation.
A conceptual difference impossible for a liberal to comprehend.
What I "comprehend" is 1000 dead Americans due to a phony "hunt for
WMDs".
Who ordered them to their deaths? That's NOT murder??
NO.
Were back to that liberal lack of comprehention problem again.

Jim E
Thom
2005-01-20 10:38:58 UTC
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Kennedy- 1
Bush- 1375 and counting...
You decide.
Bogus statement.
The Drunk murdered.
The president is in Command of a military operation.
A conceptual difference impossible for a liberal to comprehend.
What I "comprehend" is 1000 dead Americans due to a phony "hunt for
WMDs".
Who ordered them to their deaths? That's NOT murder??
NO.
Were back to that liberal lack of comprehention problem again.
yes thats true, we can't comprehend why Bush lied about WMD and got
1350 Americans killed (none in his family of course).
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-20 00:54:48 UTC
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Post by Jim E
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Post by Jim E
Post by OrangeSFO
Kennedy- 1
Bush- 1375 and counting...
You decide.
Bogus statement.
The Drunk murdered.
The president is in Command of a military operation.
A conceptual difference impossible for a liberal to comprehend.
What I "comprehend" is 1000 dead Americans due to a phony "hunt for
WMDs".
Who ordered them to their deaths? That's NOT murder??
NO.
Were back to that liberal lack of comprehention problem again.
yes thats true, we can't comprehend why Bush lied about WMD and got
1350 Americans killed (none in his family of course).
Another libloon ploy, when one argument refuted, immediately change the
subject to the current party line.

Lets see, we started talking about Kennedy being a drunken murderer, and you
have brought us two turns around the barn to the discussion of Iraqi WMD.
How linear of you.
Next topic please.

Jim E
Thom
2005-01-20 21:04:49 UTC
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Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Post by t***@aol.com
Post by Jim E
Post by OrangeSFO
Kennedy- 1
Bush- 1375 and counting...
You decide.
Bogus statement.
The Drunk murdered.
The president is in Command of a military operation.
A conceptual difference impossible for a liberal to comprehend.
What I "comprehend" is 1000 dead Americans due to a phony "hunt for
WMDs".
Who ordered them to their deaths? That's NOT murder??
NO.
Were back to that liberal lack of comprehention problem again.
yes thats true, we can't comprehend why Bush lied about WMD and got
1350 Americans killed (none in his family of course).
Another libloon ploy, when one argument refuted, immediately change the
subject to the current party line.
what party? My party has no official stand on WMD and Bush.
Post by Jim E
Lets see, we started talking about Kennedy being a drunken murderer,
Which Kennedy please, theres a million of them. many of them drunk,
its an Irish thing.
Post by Jim E
and you
have brought us two turns around the barn to the discussion of Iraqi WMD.
How linear of you.
Just keeping the topic on Bush in alt.politics.bush. People like
Clinton (or his penis) or Kennedy are of no interest to us here.
Post by Jim E
Next topic please.
When will Bush put the country in further peril and invade Iran?

THOM
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Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-21 04:27:58 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by OrangeSFO
Kennedy- 1
Bush- 1375 and counting...
You decide.
Bogus statement.
The Drunk murdered.
The president is in Command of a military operation.
A conceptual difference impossible for a liberal to comprehend.
What I "comprehend" is 1000 dead Americans due to a phony "hunt for
WMDs".
Who ordered them to their deaths? That's NOT murder??
NO.
Were back to that liberal lack of comprehention problem again.
yes thats true, we can't comprehend why Bush lied about WMD and got
1350 Americans killed (none in his family of course).
Another libloon ploy, when one argument refuted, immediately change the
subject to the current party line.
what party? My party has no official stand on WMD and Bush.
Post by Jim E
Lets see, we started talking about Kennedy being a drunken murderer,
Which Kennedy please, theres a million of them. many of them drunk,
its an Irish thing.
Post by Jim E
and you
have brought us two turns around the barn to the discussion of Iraqi WMD.
How linear of you.
Just keeping the topic on Bush in alt.politics.bush. People like
Clinton (or his penis) or Kennedy are of no interest to us here.
Post by Jim E
Next topic please.
Pretty shabby bob and weave act.
Post by Thom
When will Bush put the country in further peril and invade Iran?
Why invade when you can just destroy the infrastructure and sit back and
watch the place kook off.?



Jim E
Thom
2005-01-21 22:31:32 UTC
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Post by OrangeSFO
Kennedy- 1
Bush- 1375 and counting...
You decide.
Bogus statement.
The Drunk murdered.
The president is in Command of a military operation.
A conceptual difference impossible for a liberal to comprehend.
What I "comprehend" is 1000 dead Americans due to a phony "hunt for
WMDs".
Who ordered them to their deaths? That's NOT murder??
NO.
Were back to that liberal lack of comprehention problem again.
yes thats true, we can't comprehend why Bush lied about WMD and got
1350 Americans killed (none in his family of course).
Another libloon ploy, when one argument refuted, immediately change the
subject to the current party line.
what party? My party has no official stand on WMD and Bush.
Post by Jim E
Lets see, we started talking about Kennedy being a drunken murderer,
Which Kennedy please, theres a million of them. many of them drunk,
its an Irish thing.
Post by Jim E
and you
have brought us two turns around the barn to the discussion of Iraqi WMD.
How linear of you.
Just keeping the topic on Bush in alt.politics.bush. People like
Clinton (or his penis) or Kennedy are of no interest to us here.
Post by Jim E
Next topic please.
Pretty shabby bob and weave act.
Learned it from Bush and his WMD excuses
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
When will Bush put the country in further peril and invade Iran?
Why invade when you can just destroy the infrastructure and sit back and
watch the place kook off.?
why bother to do that, we'll just end up paying for rebuilding it in
the end. The reconstruction money should be going into rebuilding
America first.

THOM
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-21 23:54:17 UTC
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Post by Thom
why bother to do that, we'll just end up paying for rebuilding it in
the end. The reconstruction money should be going into rebuilding
America first.
Why is it that all the goofy liberals that know how to run this country
don't live in this country.
Typical lib, always know what's best for others.



Jim E
Thom
2005-01-22 22:48:43 UTC
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Post by Thom
why bother to do that, we'll just end up paying for rebuilding it in
the end. The reconstruction money should be going into rebuilding
America first.
Why is it that all the goofy liberals that know how to run this country
don't live in this country.
Now now Just because Bush is from the Republic of Texas is no excuse
to descriminate against him. he can stay at my house in Colorado if
he wants and establish residency.
Post by Jim E
Typical lib, always know what's best for others.
Sometimes. PUGS are too childish and selfish most of the time.

THOM
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Jim E
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2005-01-15 04:31:55 UTC
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OpinionJournal
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006148
----------
"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.
100,000 killed by drunk drivers who abandoned them in sunken vehicles,
shocking, sounds like something for the feel gooders to fix.
Let's bring up Laura Bush's driving record.
You forgot the little heard of Bush brother who besides being a draft
dodger also killed someone with a car. Then lets bring up the lawsuit
against the chimp-in-charge who was sued for rape and the woman who
sued was found murdered.
So, come on, bring on the forged documents.

Ding Round 26 begins


Jim E
Thom
2005-01-16 01:40:57 UTC
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http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006148
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.
100,000 killed by drunk drivers who abandoned them in sunken vehicles,
shocking, sounds like something for the feel gooders to fix.
Let's bring up Laura Bush's driving record.
You forgot the little heard of Bush brother who besides being a draft
dodger also killed someone with a car. Then lets bring up the lawsuit
against the chimp-in-charge who was sued for rape and the woman who
sued was found murdered.
So, come on, bring on the forged documents.
you mean those phony (Bush) ANG-22's that some Bushie put on the net?
Nah, they've been proven to be phonies.

THOM
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Ding Round 26 begins
Jim E
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2005-01-15 20:05:30 UTC
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.
100,000 killed by drunk drivers who abandoned them in sunken vehicles,
shocking, sounds like something for the feel gooders to fix.
Let's bring up Laura Bush's driving record.
You forgot the little heard of Bush brother who besides being a draft
dodger also killed someone with a car. Then lets bring up the lawsuit
against the chimp-in-charge who was sued for rape and the woman who
sued was found murdered.
So, come on, bring on the forged documents.
you mean those phony (Bush) ANG-22's that some Bushie put on the net?
Nah, they've been proven to be phonies.
Just like you're a bonifide liar, huh...
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"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
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Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.
100,000 killed by drunk drivers who abandoned them in sunken
vehicles,
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Johnny Lately
Post by Jim E
shocking, sounds like something for the feel gooders to fix.
Let's bring up Laura Bush's driving record.
You forgot the little heard of Bush brother who besides being a draft
dodger also killed someone with a car. Then lets bring up the lawsuit
against the chimp-in-charge who was sued for rape and the woman who
sued was found murdered.
So, come on, bring on the forged documents.
you mean those phony (Bush) ANG-22's that some Bushie put on the net?
Nah, they've been proven to be phonies.
Just like you're a bonifide liar, huh...
dodging the statement I see. We're still waiting for those pesky WMD
and Bush's DD-214 (or ANG-22) and his discharge paper the AF-256.

THOM
Thom
2005-01-14 23:15:07 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
On Thu, 13 Jan 2005 00:20:01 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
OpinionJournal
Best of the Web Today
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006148
----------
"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
nor could the 100,000 killed in Iraq so far.
100,000 killed by drunk drivers who abandoned them in sunken vehicles,
shocking, sounds like something for the feel gooders to fix.
Nope, selfish morons who won't get out of their cars and take public
transport only kill about 50,000 a year in America. We refer to the
people Bush killed in Iraq.
THOM
Jim E
2005-01-15 04:42:52 UTC
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Post by Thom
Nope, selfish morons who won't get out of their cars and take public
transport only kill about 50,000 a year in America. We refer to the
people Bush killed in Iraq.
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social control
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes.
Public transportation is so despised that it can never operate at a break
even level.
Like every other loony idea, it only runs when subsidized from the outside.
Seattle runs this silly little train set between there and Everett daily,
two runs.
For the expense of running this train set, every rider could be given a new
(compact) car annually, and the costs would be reduced.
But that wouldn't be a fancy train, and a public transport *showcase
success*.
Lying pack of tax sucking weasels.

IDIOCY

Jim E
Thom
2005-01-16 01:49:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Nope, selfish morons who won't get out of their cars and take public
transport only kill about 50,000 a year in America. We refer to the
people Bush killed in Iraq.
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social control
by the loons who know what is best for us.
why? Because RR tracks can't be moved around like Bush's WMD?
That's the best I've heard all day. I have 2 tram lines in front of
my house. Rather than sit in a car in traffic breathing smog and
going crazy I just sit back and relax while I read the paper and my
chauffer takes me into the city! If that's social control I'd like
more please!
Post by Jim E
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes.
But a good system like the one in front of my house does go where I
need to go. I rent a car maybe once every 2 months to go places the
tram or train doesn't got.
Post by Jim E
Public transportation is so despised that it can never operate at a break
even level.
In this town when public transport goes on strike the city comes to a
near hault! And by the way I suggest you look up CONNEX or NATIONAL
on the web, they make very good profits in public transport.
Post by Jim E
Like every other loony idea, it only runs when subsidized from the outside.
Seattle runs this silly little train set between there and Everett daily,
two runs.
so? I have a tram every 7 minutes
Post by Jim E
For the expense of running this train set, every rider could be given a new
(compact) car annually, and the costs would be reduced.
My costs are $8 for a weekly pass.
Post by Jim E
But that wouldn't be a fancy train, and a public transport *showcase
success*.
Lying pack of tax sucking weasels.
and when the gas drys up in another crises you'll be the first one
screaming about no public transport. It seems that most of Europe
does OK on public transport and car usage is actually dropping. Many
European towns now bar cars in the center areas, especially the
historic districts. If a place like Melbourne Australia stopped
public transport you couldn't even park 1/100th the cars that would be
needed.

THOM
Jim E
2005-01-16 04:34:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Nope, selfish morons who won't get out of their cars and take public
transport only kill about 50,000 a year in America. We refer to the
people Bush killed in Iraq.
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social control
by the loons who know what is best for us.
why? Because RR tracks can't be moved around like Bush's WMD?
That's the best I've heard all day. I have 2 tram lines in front of
my house. Rather than sit in a car in traffic breathing smog and
going crazy I just sit back and relax while I read the paper and my
chauffer takes me into the city! If that's social control I'd like
more please!
Post by Jim E
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes.
But a good system like the one in front of my house does go where I
need to go. I rent a car maybe once every 2 months to go places the
tram or train doesn't got.
Post by Jim E
Public transportation is so despised that it can never operate at a break
even level.
In this town when public transport goes on strike the city comes to a
near hault! And by the way I suggest you look up CONNEX or NATIONAL
on the web, they make very good profits in public transport.
Post by Jim E
Like every other loony idea, it only runs when subsidized from the outside.
Seattle runs this silly little train set between there and Everett daily,
two runs.
so? I have a tram every 7 minutes
Post by Jim E
For the expense of running this train set, every rider could be given a new
(compact) car annually, and the costs would be reduced.
My costs are $8 for a weekly pass.
Nobody cares about YOUR costs, what does it cost to get you there, and who
pays for it.
Socialism suxx.
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
But that wouldn't be a fancy train, and a public transport *showcase
success*.
Lying pack of tax sucking weasels.
and when the gas drys up in another crises you'll be the first one
screaming about no public transport.
BS the cost of buying private land, displacing citizens, twenty years of
court, bogus contracts with 217% cost over runs, then it don't work.
Anything done by government is a mony losing operation by definition.

SOCIALISM is communism, one sip at a time.

sig. shamelessly stolen


Jim E
It seems that most of Europe
Post by Thom
does OK on public transport and car usage is actually dropping. Many
European towns now bar cars in the center areas, especially the
historic districts. If a place like Melbourne Australia stopped
public transport you couldn't even park 1/100th the cars that would be
needed.
THOM
Thom
2005-01-16 17:43:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Nope, selfish morons who won't get out of their cars and take public
transport only kill about 50,000 a year in America. We refer to the
people Bush killed in Iraq.
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social control
by the loons who know what is best for us.
why? Because RR tracks can't be moved around like Bush's WMD?
That's the best I've heard all day. I have 2 tram lines in front of
my house. Rather than sit in a car in traffic breathing smog and
going crazy I just sit back and relax while I read the paper and my
chauffer takes me into the city! If that's social control I'd like
more please!
Post by Jim E
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes.
But a good system like the one in front of my house does go where I
need to go. I rent a car maybe once every 2 months to go places the
tram or train doesn't got.
Post by Jim E
Public transportation is so despised that it can never operate at a break
even level.
In this town when public transport goes on strike the city comes to a
near hault! And by the way I suggest you look up CONNEX or NATIONAL
on the web, they make very good profits in public transport.
Post by Jim E
Like every other loony idea, it only runs when subsidized from the outside.
Seattle runs this silly little train set between there and Everett daily,
two runs.
so? I have a tram every 7 minutes
Post by Jim E
For the expense of running this train set, every rider could be given a new
(compact) car annually, and the costs would be reduced.
My costs are $8 for a weekly pass.
Nobody cares about YOUR costs, what does it cost to get you there, and who
pays for it.
I do. They privatized our system. If you must know and all day pass
is US$1.43 (I'm 60 and get a discount by law) and if I paid full fair
it would be US$1.47 for a 2 hour ticket.
Post by Jim E
Socialism suxx.
and capitalism with its low wages and high prices is great right?
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
But that wouldn't be a fancy train, and a public transport *showcase
success*.
Lying pack of tax sucking weasels.
and when the gas drys up in another crises you'll be the first one
screaming about no public transport.
BS the cost of buying private land, displacing citizens, twenty years of
court, bogus contracts with 217% cost over runs, then it don't work.
Anything done by government is a mony losing operation by definition.
Then why does private enterprise always want to buy government
enterprises? WHY? because they are cash cows. I worked for the State
electricity commission and we employed 25,000 people, gave $140 to 190
million a year to the government in profits and had the lowest rates
in the world. It was privatized and now they have half the staff,
triple the prices and are loosing money! And socialism sucks???
Post by Jim E
SOCIALISM is communism, one sip at a time.
No its not, socialism is nothing like communism especially soviet
communism. Capitalism is naziism a 6-pack at a time.

THOM
Post by Jim E
sig. shamelessly stolen
Jim E
It seems that most of Europe
Post by Thom
does OK on public transport and car usage is actually dropping. Many
European towns now bar cars in the center areas, especially the
historic districts. If a place like Melbourne Australia stopped
public transport you couldn't even park 1/100th the cars that would be
needed.
THOM
Jim E
2005-01-16 07:06:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Nope, selfish morons who won't get out of their cars and take public
transport only kill about 50,000 a year in America. We refer to the
people Bush killed in Iraq.
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social control
by the loons who know what is best for us.
why? Because RR tracks can't be moved around like Bush's WMD?
That's the best I've heard all day. I have 2 tram lines in front of
my house. Rather than sit in a car in traffic breathing smog and
going crazy I just sit back and relax while I read the paper and my
chauffer takes me into the city! If that's social control I'd like
more please!
Post by Jim E
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes.
But a good system like the one in front of my house does go where I
need to go. I rent a car maybe once every 2 months to go places the
tram or train doesn't got.
Post by Jim E
Public transportation is so despised that it can never operate at a break
even level.
In this town when public transport goes on strike the city comes to a
near hault! And by the way I suggest you look up CONNEX or NATIONAL
on the web, they make very good profits in public transport.
Post by Jim E
Like every other loony idea, it only runs when subsidized from the outside.
Seattle runs this silly little train set between there and Everett daily,
two runs.
so? I have a tram every 7 minutes
Post by Jim E
For the expense of running this train set, every rider could be given a new
(compact) car annually, and the costs would be reduced.
My costs are $8 for a weekly pass.
Nobody cares about YOUR costs, what does it cost to get you there, and who
pays for it.
I do. They privatized our system. If you must know and all day pass
is US$1.43 (I'm 60 and get a discount by law) and if I paid full fair
it would be US$1.47 for a 2 hour ticket.
Post by Jim E
Socialism suxx.
and capitalism with its low wages and high prices is great right?
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
But that wouldn't be a fancy train, and a public transport *showcase
success*.
Lying pack of tax sucking weasels.
and when the gas drys up in another crises you'll be the first one
screaming about no public transport.
BS the cost of buying private land, displacing citizens, twenty years of
court, bogus contracts with 217% cost over runs, then it don't work.
Anything done by government is a mony losing operation by definition.
Then why does private enterprise always want to buy government
enterprises? WHY? because they are cash cows. I worked for the State
electricity commission and we employed 25,000 people, gave $140 to 190
million a year to the government in profits and had the lowest rates
in the world. It was privatized and now they have half the staff,
triple the prices and are loosing money! And socialism sucks???
Government entities, and comercial enterprises kook their books based on
desired results, profits, taxes, regulations, corruption , etc.
Each has a different goal, reflected in different numbers.
Comparison $ for $ is hopeless.
But only the government could loose money running "The Mustang Ranch" in
Nev.
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
SOCIALISM is communism, one sip at a time.
No its not, socialism is nothing like communism especially soviet
communism. Capitalism is naziism a 6-pack at a time.
Communism is all state owned business.
Socialism is mostly state owned business.
Nazism is Privately owned business in collusion with a totalitarian state.
Read a book .

You liberals lie about everything.
My favorite liberal lie is the name change to
progressive.
Can't even admit your own name.


Jim E
Thom
2005-01-17 10:34:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Nope, selfish morons who won't get out of their cars and take public
transport only kill about 50,000 a year in America. We refer to the
people Bush killed in Iraq.
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social control
by the loons who know what is best for us.
why? Because RR tracks can't be moved around like Bush's WMD?
That's the best I've heard all day. I have 2 tram lines in front of
my house. Rather than sit in a car in traffic breathing smog and
going crazy I just sit back and relax while I read the paper and my
chauffer takes me into the city! If that's social control I'd like
more please!
Post by Jim E
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes.
But a good system like the one in front of my house does go where I
need to go. I rent a car maybe once every 2 months to go places the
tram or train doesn't got.
Post by Jim E
Public transportation is so despised that it can never operate at a break
even level.
In this town when public transport goes on strike the city comes to a
near hault! And by the way I suggest you look up CONNEX or NATIONAL
on the web, they make very good profits in public transport.
Post by Jim E
Like every other loony idea, it only runs when subsidized from the outside.
Seattle runs this silly little train set between there and Everett daily,
two runs.
so? I have a tram every 7 minutes
Post by Jim E
For the expense of running this train set, every rider could be given a new
(compact) car annually, and the costs would be reduced.
My costs are $8 for a weekly pass.
Nobody cares about YOUR costs, what does it cost to get you there, and who
pays for it.
I do. They privatized our system. If you must know and all day pass
is US$1.43 (I'm 60 and get a discount by law) and if I paid full fair
it would be US$1.47 for a 2 hour ticket.
Post by Jim E
Socialism suxx.
and capitalism with its low wages and high prices is great right?
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
But that wouldn't be a fancy train, and a public transport *showcase
success*.
Lying pack of tax sucking weasels.
and when the gas drys up in another crises you'll be the first one
screaming about no public transport.
BS the cost of buying private land, displacing citizens, twenty years of
court, bogus contracts with 217% cost over runs, then it don't work.
Anything done by government is a mony losing operation by definition.
Then why does private enterprise always want to buy government
enterprises? WHY? because they are cash cows. I worked for the State
electricity commission and we employed 25,000 people, gave $140 to 190
million a year to the government in profits and had the lowest rates
in the world. It was privatized and now they have half the staff,
triple the prices and are loosing money! And socialism sucks???
Government entities, and comercial enterprises kook their books based on
desired results, profits, taxes, regulations, corruption , etc.
Each has a different goal, reflected in different numbers.
Comparison $ for $ is hopeless.
$190 million is 190 million, tell me how to cook books to produce that
and I'll go out and get all the pots and pans you want. The example
is simple
State control of the SEC = Jobs, low rates for business and people and
profits
Private control of the exact same resources = job losses, higher rates
and no profits
Even you can grasp something like that can't you?

and each does have a different goal. the SEC's goal was producing
cheap electriocity, provide good high paying jobs and making a profit
for the state to keep the taxes down and it met those goals. The now
private owners had a goal of profits and have failed miserably and the
system is now up for sale again.
Post by Jim E
But only the government could loose money running "The Mustang Ranch" in
Nev.
and only a moron like Bush could sink 2 dry wells in the middel of the
largest oil field in Texas!
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
SOCIALISM is communism, one sip at a time.
No its not, socialism is nothing like communism especially soviet
communism. Capitalism is naziism a 6-pack at a time.
Communism is all state owned business.
correct but the state is owned by the people or is supposed to be.
The most successful communist states were ancient Egypt and the
Vatican
Post by Jim E
Socialism is mostly state owned business.
wrong. Its a balance between public and private enterprise for the
benifit of people and industry.
Post by Jim E
Nazism is Privately owned business in collusion with a totalitarian state.
close enough. Mussoline in his 1929 book on Fascism described it as
the blending of corporate and government interests.
Post by Jim E
Read a book .
not the one with your erronious conclusions thank you.
Post by Jim E
You liberals lie about everything.
sorry, we're not republicans... anbd speaking of lies, I see you gave
up looking for the mythical WMD
Post by Jim E
My favorite liberal lie is the name change to
progressive.
Clarity please? Libs founded American and your lot sided with the
British.
Post by Jim E
Can't even admit your own name.
Yes I can, its THOM
who unlike the coward in the white house is a Viet Nam vet
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-16 23:16:22 UTC
Permalink
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation, of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Darwin rules.


Jim E
JimK
2005-01-16 23:48:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation, of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Darwin rules.
Jim E
How do you feel at the $1,000,000 cost to train bush to be a pretend
fighter pilot, and then he just walks away. Was this a good
investment.
Joe Sumbody
2005-01-17 05:31:45 UTC
Permalink
please show me the receipts
Post by JimK
Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation, of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Darwin rules.
Jim E
How do you feel at the $1,000,000 cost to train bush to be a pretend
fighter pilot, and then he just walks away. Was this a good
investment.
Thom
2005-01-18 00:31:40 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:31:45 -0500, "Joe Sumbody"
Post by Joe Sumbody
please show me the receipts
please go to the military budgets for those years. Its all in there.

THOM
Post by Joe Sumbody
Post by JimK
Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation, of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Darwin rules.
Jim E
How do you feel at the $1,000,000 cost to train bush to be a pretend
fighter pilot, and then he just walks away. Was this a good
investment.
Jim E
2005-01-17 15:51:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by Thom
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:31:45 -0500, "Joe Sumbody"
Post by Joe Sumbody
please show me the receipts
please go to the military budgets for those years. Its all in there.
Sure it is, itemized under :: Training GW

LOL

Jim E
JimK
2005-01-17 18:14:20 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 00:31:45 -0500, "Joe Sumbody"
Post by Joe Sumbody
please show me the receipts
"At the time, the cost of training a National Guard pilot was more
than $1 million."

When he signed up in 1968, Bush wrote in his "statement of intent"
that flying would be "a lifetime pursuit." An admiring 1970 Guard news
release about the young flier quoted a thrilled Bush saying that
"flying, the whole thing, is kicks."

At the time, the cost of training a National Guard pilot was more than
$1 million. In addition to their standard six-year service commitment,
Guard pilots typically agreed to fly for five years upon completion of
their flight training. That standard contract has yet to surface among
Bush's files.

Bush has given a simple explanation for why he stopped flying after
his last sortie on April 16, 1972. In "A Charge to Keep," his 1999
autobiography, he said he "was no longer flying because
http://tinyurl.com/3nce5
Post by Joe Sumbody
Post by JimK
Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation, of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Darwin rules.
Jim E
How do you feel at the $1,000,000 cost to train bush to be a pretend
fighter pilot, and then he just walks away. Was this a good
investment.
Thom
2005-01-18 00:30:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by JimK
Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation, of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Darwin rules.
Jim E
How do you feel at the $1,000,000 cost to train bush to be a pretend
fighter pilot, and then he just walks away. Was this a good
investment.
I can't wait for that answer or how about the $50 million Bush's
corination is costing???

THOM
Jim E
2005-01-17 15:52:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Thom
Post by JimK
Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation, of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Darwin rules.
Jim E
How do you feel at the $1,000,000 cost to train bush to be a pretend
fighter pilot, and then he just walks away. Was this a good
investment.
I can't wait for that answer or how about the $50 million Bush's
corination is costing???
Private funding.

Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-18 00:31:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
I can't wait for that answer or how about the $50 million Bush's
corination is costing???
Private funding.
The neo-cons I suppose?
How quintessentially left loon thinking.
You people just can't stand the thought of someone spending their OWN money
in a way THEY want, instead of in the way you loons think is the correct
way. Always trying to spend the wealth of others. Parasitic invasive non
productive liberals.


Jim E
Thom
2005-01-18 20:11:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
I can't wait for that answer or how about the $50 million Bush's
corination is costing???
Private funding.
The neo-cons I suppose?
How quintessentially left loon thinking.
How quintessentially cold war thinking of you. Take a sniff of the
21st century...no USSR or left anymore. Its your worst fear, the
pissed off center that's after Bush now.
Post by Jim E
You people just can't stand the thought of someone spending their OWN money
in a way THEY want,
You mean the money you $5 an hour employees made for you? Or are your
refering to your illegal wet back labor?
Post by Jim E
instead of in the way you loons think is the correct
way. Always trying to spend the wealth of others.
Yes righties love to do that. Now Bush has Iraq's oil to spend.
Post by Jim E
Parasitic invasive non
productive liberals.
And how productive are corporate board room members with their golden
parachutes for failing????

The cold war is over mate

THOM
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-19 00:34:39 UTC
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Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
I can't wait for that answer or how about the $50 million Bush's
corination is costing???
Private funding.
The neo-cons I suppose?
How quintessentially left loon thinking.
How quintessentially cold war thinking of you. Take a sniff of the
21st century...no USSR or left anymore. Its your worst fear, the
pissed off center that's after Bush now.
Post by Jim E
You people just can't stand the thought of someone spending their OWN money
in a way THEY want,
You mean the money you $5 an hour employees made for you? Or are your
refering to your illegal wet back labor?
Post by Jim E
instead of in the way you loons think is the correct
way. Always trying to spend the wealth of others.
Yes righties love to do that. Now Bush has Iraq's oil to spend.
Post by Jim E
Parasitic invasive non
productive liberals.
And how productive are corporate board room members with their golden
parachutes for failing????
The cold war is over mate
When did I mention Soviet threats??
We won the cold war, think Reagan.
The left is still lurking among us.
The silly socialists.
The free lunch gang.
The PC , afraid to speak bluntly, social engineering, hidden agenda
champions of mediocrity.

Jim E
B***@yahoo.com
2005-01-19 19:27:17 UTC
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Actually, the final nail on the Soviet Union was their expenditures in
Afganistan. The USSR got itself embroiled in a war that it couldn't
win, couldn't get out of and which bankrupt the country. Sound
familiar.

Since the reason that the Soviet Union had so much trouble in
Afganistan was because of Jimmy Carter, we should thank him alot more
than his successor. Reagan was in office at the time, but the Soviet
Union as dying for a long time.
Of course, you as a paid GOP shill probably know that already.
Thom
2005-01-20 10:40:59 UTC
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Post by B***@yahoo.com
Actually, the final nail on the Soviet Union was their expenditures in
Afganistan. The USSR got itself embroiled in a war that it couldn't
win, couldn't get out of and which bankrupt the country. Sound
familiar.
couldn't agree more. It wasn't so much a matter of money though since
they used a different system but the fact they stretched their
resources to the point the people were getting pissed off at not
getting their needs met because of Afghanistan. It was definately
their Viet Nam. Good Call.

THOM
Post by B***@yahoo.com
Since the reason that the Soviet Union had so much trouble in
Afganistan was because of Jimmy Carter, we should thank him alot more
than his successor. Reagan was in office at the time, but the Soviet
Union as dying for a long time.
Of course, you as a paid GOP shill probably know that already.
Jim E
2005-01-20 00:47:30 UTC
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Post by B***@yahoo.com
Actually, the final nail on the Soviet Union was their expenditures in
Afganistan. The USSR got itself embroiled in a war that it couldn't
win, couldn't get out of and which bankrupt the country. Sound
familiar.
Since the reason that the Soviet Union had so much trouble in
Afganistan was because of Jimmy Carter, we should thank him alot more
than his successor. Reagan was in office at the time, but the Soviet
Union as dying for a long time.
Of course, you as a paid GOP shill probably know that already.
Where is this pay I'm supposed to be getting??
Twit !

I suppose if I were a libloon I would sue SOMEBODY , someone else must owe
me SOMETHING ! !

The World Owes Me A Living !!!

<gag>
Jim E

Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-17 15:49:43 UTC
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Post by JimK
Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation, of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Darwin rules.
Jim E
How do you feel at the $1,000,000 cost to train bush to be a pretend
fighter pilot, and then he just walks away. Was this a good
investment.
Who do you think trains all the air line pilots in this country ? Don't be
so narrowly focused.
I won't even go into you dollar figure.


Jim E
Thom
2005-01-18 00:30:08 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
Come to Australia then, much lower taxes. Also talking about shelling
out money for people who don't work, seen what lazy fat cats in
corporations make and do nothing usefull? Seen their golden
parachutes they get for failiing.
Post by Jim E
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation,
Fine then don't use the roads, watch TV or use a doctor.
Post by Jim E
of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,
No it doesn't The founding fathers knew nothing of freeways.
Post by Jim E
etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
You mean corporate board members with golden parachutes?
Post by Jim E
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Fine with me. If you don't want to pay taxes then don't expect police
and fire protection, don't set foot on the sidewalks and roads and
stay under 400' when you fly.
Post by Jim E
Darwin rules.
Given the chimp in the white house I agree with you.

THOM
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-17 16:01:55 UTC
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Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
Come to Australia then, much lower taxes. Also talking about shelling
out money for people who don't work, seen what lazy fat cats in
corporations make and do nothing usefull? Seen their golden
parachutes they get for failiing.
Post by Jim E
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation,
Fine then don't use the roads, watch TV or use a doctor.
Post by Jim E
of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,
No it doesn't The founding fathers knew nothing of freeways.
Post by Jim E
etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
You mean corporate board members with golden parachutes?
Post by Jim E
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Fine with me. If you don't want to pay taxes then don't expect police
and fire protection, don't set foot on the sidewalks and roads and
stay under 400' when you fly.
I said I pay for public needs, but refuse to condone public transport that I
don't need or use, social welfare for those who do not produce or any other
silly social engineering crap the left always touts.
Police , fire and all other services for the common welfare are fine. It's
when you start giving shit to individuals, like money, or subsidized
services that it becomes a rip off scam. You go to the doctor, you pay.
You want food or a roof, you pay.
You want to use the road you pay, vehicle taxes, gas taxes , etc.
Nowhere in the constitution is there a
RobinHood amendment.

Please , no more specious crap.

Jim E
B***@yahoo.com
2005-01-17 18:25:57 UTC
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What a load of right-wing anti-american crap. So, we should pay for the
programs that you use, and you should not pay for the programs that
others use. Well, I'm not using the military today. I'm not using the
roads in Alaska. I'm not using whatever it is that Haliburton is being
paid for in Iraq. I'm not using the clean air in Florida (at the
moment). I'm not using FEMA (no huricanes here, recently). I've never
needed the police, fire, ambulance service. I don't rely on Republican
handouts to the wealthy. So we should eliminate these programs? Is
there any part of America that you like?
Geo
2005-01-17 18:54:52 UTC
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Post by B***@yahoo.com
What a load of right-wing anti-american crap. So, we should pay for the
programs that you use, and you should not pay for the programs that
others use. Well, I'm not using the military today. I'm not using the
roads in Alaska. I'm not using whatever it is that Haliburton is being
paid for in Iraq. I'm not using the clean air in Florida (at the
moment). I'm not using FEMA (no huricanes here, recently). I've never
needed the police, fire, ambulance service. I don't rely on
Republican
Post by B***@yahoo.com
handouts to the wealthy. So we should eliminate these programs? Is
there any part of America that you like?
The only program that the fed govt should maintain in your list above
is the military. Why? Because it's the only one that directly stems
from teh Constitution. The rest are either the result of wealth
re-distribution from teh producers to recipients; or are local issue
(police, ambulance, etc.) that have nothing to do with the fed govt.
Jim E
2005-01-18 00:33:28 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by B***@yahoo.com
What a load of right-wing anti-american crap. So, we should pay for
the
Post by B***@yahoo.com
programs that you use, and you should not pay for the programs that
others use. Well, I'm not using the military today. I'm not using the
roads in Alaska. I'm not using whatever it is that Haliburton is
being
Post by B***@yahoo.com
paid for in Iraq. I'm not using the clean air in Florida (at the
moment). I'm not using FEMA (no huricanes here, recently). I've never
needed the police, fire, ambulance service. I don't rely on
Republican
Post by B***@yahoo.com
handouts to the wealthy. So we should eliminate these programs? Is
there any part of America that you like?
The only program that the fed govt should maintain in your list above
is the military. Why? Because it's the only one that directly stems
from teh Constitution. The rest are either the result of wealth
re-distribution from teh producers to recipients; or are local issue
(police, ambulance, etc.) that have nothing to do with the fed govt.
Don't confuse it with facts.
B***@yahoo.com
2005-01-18 18:22:37 UTC
Permalink
So you are saying that poor communities don't deserve fire and police
protection unless they can pay for it themselves? They don't deserve
help with schools, roads, etc? The FBI and CIA should be disbanded,
after all, if Barney Fife can't fight international terrorism, then we
should just let more buildings get destroyed. I didn't see any of the
"conservatives" in the Florida panhandle turning down the help from
FEMA.

You sound like a true libertarian. Eliminate government regardless of
the costs. I guess you don't like the internet either.
Thom
2005-01-18 20:16:25 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Thom
Post by Jim E
Every example of socialism I have ever seen, expects me to pay exorbitant
taxes that are use to benefit others who don't.
Come to Australia then, much lower taxes. Also talking about shelling
out money for people who don't work, seen what lazy fat cats in
corporations make and do nothing usefull? Seen their golden
parachutes they get for failiing.
Post by Jim E
I refuse to have my income pirated to pay for the support, medical care,
higher education,
or transportation,
Fine then don't use the roads, watch TV or use a doctor.
Post by Jim E
of those who choose not to pay their own way.
The common good includes national defense, freeway systems,
No it doesn't The founding fathers knew nothing of freeways.
Post by Jim E
etc. It does not
include a free lunch for those of a non productive nature.
You mean corporate board members with golden parachutes?
Post by Jim E
What's mine is mine, I earned it, and I will spend it as I see fit. No damn
politician is going to prioritize my life.
Fine with me. If you don't want to pay taxes then don't expect police
and fire protection, don't set foot on the sidewalks and roads and
stay under 400' when you fly.
I said I pay for public needs, but refuse to condone public transport that I
don't need or use, social welfare for those who do not produce or any other
silly social engineering crap the left always touts.
I'll go for that, when do I get a refund for all the shit Haliburton
sold us and I never use or for that matter the USA never used but got
billed for??? The right wing is the biggest looter of the US taxpay
in history! You hate food stamps but love corporate welfare then???
Post by Jim E
Police , fire and all other services for the common welfare are fine. It's
when you start giving shit to individuals, >like money, or subsidized
services that it becomes a rip off scam.
SO people suck but corporations like Haliburton or Blackwell can suck
offf the government tit all they want???
Post by Jim E
You go to the doctor, you pay.
I pay my medicare charge when I pay my taxes then go to the doctor.
Post by Jim E
You want food or a roof, you pay.
Not a problem as long as the prices are fair and in America thats rare
Post by Jim E
You want to use the road you pay, vehicle taxes, gas taxes , etc.
Nowhere in the constitution is there a
RobinHood amendment.
Looks like you've backtracked quite a bit when you realized how much
you depend on socialism I see.
Post by Jim E
Please , no more specious crap.
OK I'll cut all the right wing stuff

THOM
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Tracey...
2005-01-18 18:00:24 UTC
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HEADLINE: The Nations of Old Europe Try To Compete With The USA By
Building A Socialist Jet.

Item: Many nations of Europe conspired to build an airliner, the A380.

Item: It took all of those countries to compete with one American
company: Boeing.

Item: The A380 has not been flight tested, and won't be until mid year.

Item: The cost and weight of the plane are an issue. After building the
first A380, it weighed too much
so it was taken apart, and parts were cut down to reduce weight. With
these parts reduced in weight, is the plane safe?

Item: Less than 200 A380s have been ordered. This socialist
collaboration will not turn a profit until 250 planes are sold.

Item: Boeing has a secret capitalist Jet that it will unveil to compete
with the A380. It may cause Airbus, the european multinational
cooperation that built the A380, to have a very hard time becoming
profitable.

Will the Airbus A380 become another failed plane like the european Concorde?
Tracey...
2005-01-18 18:17:37 UTC
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Remember the comment about the US being "stingy"? It came from one UN
official named Jan Egeland.
In an interview, he said that its his job at the UN to prod nations for
more money.

Now Egeland (hereafter to be known as Egghead) is predicting super
disasters up to many times the SE Asia tsunami.
But, what is his central theme again?

Nations are not spending enough money:

Egghead: "We have a momentum of understanding, and we have to use that
as much as we can to get institutions going and get funds, not only for
relief but also for early warning, for prevention and development," he said.

The evil UN wants your money. In the past, it has pushed for a tax on
every person on earth and that money would have been
given to the UN. Fortunately, the USA totally rejected and killed that
idea, but it appears that the UN is using the SE Asian disaster
as a scare tactic to justify more money grubbing.
Requiescant
2005-01-18 19:45:46 UTC
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Post by Tracey...
HEADLINE: The Nations of Old Europe Try To Compete With The USA By
Building A Socialist Jet.
Item: Many nations of Europe conspired to build an airliner, the A380.
Thats true
Post by Tracey...
Item: It took all of those countries to compete with one American
company: Boeing.
Yes: and what is your problem ?
Post by Tracey...
Item: The A380 has not been flight tested, and won't be until mid year.
Every plane has not been flight testet until its first fligt test.
After the first flight test it is flight tested.
So wait until the first flight test, babe!
Post by Tracey...
Item: The cost and weight of the plane are an issue. After building the
first A380, it weighed too much
so it was taken apart, and parts were cut down to reduce weight. With
these parts reduced in weight, is the plane safe?
Reducing weight has nothing to do with making unsafe.
Sometimes less weight makes somthing safer.
Is a chevy with 2 tons double safe than a chevy with 1 ton ?
Is a chevy with 10 tons double safe than a chevy with 5 tons ?
So why do you not manufacture chevys with 10 tons ?
Post by Tracey...
Item: Less than 200 A380s have been ordered. This socialist
collaboration will not turn a profit until 250 planes are sold.
Wait until the 250th plane is orderd. Then it is profitable.
Post by Tracey...
Item: Boeing has a secret capitalist Jet that it will unveil to compete
with the A380. It may cause Airbus, the european multinational
cooperation that built the A380, to have a very hard time becoming
profitable.
Ok lets wait for the hard time. But the Boeing-monopoly has gone ! And
thats gooooood, hehe !
Post by Tracey...
Will the Airbus A380 become another failed plane like the european Concorde?
Maybe. But had american companies never had failed projects ?
Are american projects unfailing ?

I think the american aeroplane industry ( of civil planes ) is afraid of the
new rival business.
And i think some people thought the american industry is the best and the
world has no choice.
But this times are OVER ! hehe.

Requiescant
Massimis
2005-01-19 00:14:03 UTC
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"Tracey..." <***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:Y8cHd.29593$***@fe2.texas.rr.com...
HEADLINE: The Nations of Old Europe Try To Compete With The USA By Building A Socialist Jet.

Item: Many nations of Europe conspired to build an airliner, the A380.

Item: It took all of those countries to compete with one American company: Boeing.

(Snip)

You seem to forget that the population of the US is about the same (or maybe more?) than all the countries involved in building the A380.
Your also forget that the US is blessed to have the best of European brainpower centred in the one country, due to immigration from Europe over the years.
And what the heck is a "Socialist Jet". Don't tell me that the :McCarthy years are back with us!!.
e***@yahoo.com
2005-01-19 19:43:30 UTC
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HEADLINE: The Nations of Old Europe Try To Compete With The USA By
Building A Socialist Jet.
I don't recall having seen that precise headline.

Since when is competition a "socialist" concept? Since when is monopoly
a capitalist one?

It is good for airlines and consumers that there is a credible choice
amongst aircraft. It is good for capitalism that there are credible
choices in all markets.

There are some stick issues around government subsidies to both Boeing
and Airbus, but they've agreed to work together to phase those out.

It's important to note that Boeing made a conscious choice not to
compete with the A380, not because it felt it could not do so, but
because it felt the future market for plane would not support the
development costs that it would undertake. It willfully ceded whatever
market there happens to be for 500+ passenger aircraft to Airbus,
preferring to invest its development money on smaller long-range jets
that would cater to more frequent non-stop overseas flights. It made a
business decision and now the market will decide if it made the right
call. All as it should be.

I can't imagine any capitalist in their right mind thinking that the
Airbus announcement is anything but capitalism at its best.

Ed Smith
Tracey...
2005-01-19 23:41:06 UTC
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Post by e***@yahoo.com
HEADLINE: The Nations of Old Europe Try To Compete With The USA By
Building A Socialist Jet.
I don't recall having seen that precise headline.
Since when is competition a "socialist" concept? Since when is monopoly
a capitalist one?
It is good for airlines and consumers that there is a credible choice
amongst aircraft. It is good for capitalism that there are credible
choices in all markets.
There are some stick issues around government subsidies to both Boeing
and Airbus, but they've agreed to work together to phase those out.
It's important to note that Boeing made a conscious choice not to
compete with the A380, not because it felt it could not do so, but
because it felt the future market for plane would not support the
development costs that it would undertake. It willfully ceded whatever
market there happens to be for 500+ passenger aircraft to Airbus,
preferring to invest its development money on smaller long-range jets
that would cater to more frequent non-stop overseas flights. It made a
business decision and now the market will decide if it made the right
call. All as it should be.
I can't imagine any capitalist in their right mind thinking that the
Airbus announcement is anything but capitalism at its best.
Ed Smith
To all globalists / communists,

Drop dead. Capitalism and Liberty go hand in hand. Socialism and
Monster Government are hand in glove.
All the states of the USA do not comprise wonderful Boeing. But, as I
said, it took nearly all of old europe to compete with just one good,
capitalist American company. Is this the best old europe can do?????
Imagine what kind of problems the old euros would have if all of America
worked hard to kick europes liberal ass.
Tracey...
2005-01-19 23:32:57 UTC
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Yes, thats correct! Both democrats and republicans love illegal aliens,
but why?

The reasons:

Democrats love illegal aliens from latin america because they vote for
democrats in US elections.

Republicans love illegal aliens because businesses want cheap labor, so
they pressure the GOP for lax enforcement of border laws.

Nothing will be done about stopping the influx of MILLIONS of illegal
aliens into the USA each year until a terrorst comes over the southern
border
and does something significant that finally causes the American public
to jump on their leaders.

I voted for GW twice, and I support him today, but his greatest flaw is
his one world government / open border policy.
We must not support GW's open border policy.

Put our troops on the border, and warn vicente fox.
If Israel can have a huge fence seperating it from the thugs who want to
destroy her, America can have a fence stopping those who
seek to invade us, urinate on our laws, and possibly nuke one or more of
oue cities.
z
2005-01-21 16:32:43 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social control
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes.
But if you've got a big fuggin SUV you can drive anydamnwhere you like,
over people's lawns, through their living rooms, long live freedom.
B***@yahoo.com
2005-01-27 22:11:16 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social control
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
Z
2005-01-27 22:23:02 UTC
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ah yes, Chappiquiddick Teds's basic values.
He is a list of his good moral values " ".

Z
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social
control
Post by Jim E
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
Jim E
2005-01-28 02:23:02 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social
control
Post by Jim E
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
If you insist on being intentionally obtuse, I will clarify. Mass transit,
in the form of busses, rail, or any other silly attempt to eliminate
personal
transport.
These forms of transport always operate at a loss. You want trains and
busses, no problem.
Private enterprise can run them as a for profit enterprise.
of course being as this form of transport is so
inefficient, and expensive, nobody will pay the cost of a ticket. Mass
transit without socialism is bankruptcy in a box.
Qualifier : here in the non megalopolis west.

It may be feasible in the warrens of
the urban pits.



Jim E
t***@yahoo.com
2005-01-30 01:19:45 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social
control
Post by Jim E
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
If you insist on being intentionally obtuse, I will clarify. Mass transit,
in the form of busses, rail, or any other silly attempt to eliminate
personal
transport.
These forms of transport always operate at a loss.
A lie of course. Check out the profits of the mass transit companies
(Trams, trains and buses) of companies like CONNEX is France and
National in England.
Post by Jim E
You want trains and
busses, no problem.
Private enterprise can run them as a for profit enterprise.
of course being as this form of transport is so
inefficient, and expensive, nobody will pay the cost of a ticket.
I do every day along with millions of others. Far better than driving
Post by Jim E
Mass
transit without socialism is bankruptcy in a box.
and you are uninformed

THOM
Post by Jim E
Qualifier : here in the non megalopolis west.
It may be feasible in the warrens of
the urban pits.
Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-29 22:03:48 UTC
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Post by t***@yahoo.com
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social
control
Post by Jim E
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
If you insist on being intentionally obtuse, I will clarify. Mass transit,
in the form of busses, rail, or any other silly attempt to eliminate
personal
transport.
These forms of transport always operate at a loss.
A lie of course. Check out the profits of the mass transit companies
(Trams, trains and buses) of companies like CONNEX is France and
National in England.
Post by Jim E
You want trains and
busses, no problem.
Private enterprise can run them as a for profit enterprise.
of course being as this form of transport is so
inefficient, and expensive, nobody will pay the cost of a ticket.
I do every day along with millions of others. Far better than driving
Post by Jim E
Mass
transit without socialism is bankruptcy in a box.
and you are uninformed
Anybody may construct any transit system they
wish, as long as I don't have to use it, or put a penny toward it.
How's that for fair.


Jim E
Docky Wocky
2005-01-30 02:05:49 UTC
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What goes around in Tubby's mind:

Food, booze.

Drink, eat.

Be more of a Liberal asshole today than yesterday.
COLonelPolypSs
2005-01-31 10:36:22 UTC
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Post by Docky Wocky
Food, booze.
Drink, eat.
Be more of a Liberal asshole today than yesterday.
I say we have a civil war and legally kill your goddamned republican
ass.

Exterminate the christian jew cop Supreme Court
Jtm
2005-01-31 11:02:59 UTC
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Post by COLonelPolypSs
Post by Docky Wocky
Food, booze.
Drink, eat.
Be more of a Liberal asshole today than yesterday.
I say we have a civil war and legally kill your goddamned republican
ass.
Exterminate the christian jew cop Supreme Court
Spoken like a true Terrorist!!!!!
Come an try to Kill my Republican ass and leave with a load of lead!!!!!
THOM
2005-01-30 22:13:00 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by t***@yahoo.com
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social
control
Post by Jim E
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
If you insist on being intentionally obtuse, I will clarify. Mass transit,
in the form of busses, rail, or any other silly attempt to eliminate
personal
transport.
These forms of transport always operate at a loss.
A lie of course. Check out the profits of the mass transit companies
(Trams, trains and buses) of companies like CONNEX is France and
National in England.
Post by Jim E
You want trains and
busses, no problem.
Private enterprise can run them as a for profit enterprise.
of course being as this form of transport is so
inefficient, and expensive, nobody will pay the cost of a ticket.
I do every day along with millions of others. Far better than driving
Post by Jim E
Mass
transit without socialism is bankruptcy in a box.
and you are uninformed
Anybody may construct any transit system they
wish, as long as I don't have to use it, or put a penny toward it.
How's that for fair.
too bad you don't feel about the cancer of the road system.

THOM
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Jim E
2005-01-31 04:45:24 UTC
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Post by THOM
Post by Jim E
Post by t***@yahoo.com
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social
control
Post by Jim E
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
If you insist on being intentionally obtuse, I will clarify. Mass transit,
in the form of busses, rail, or any other silly attempt to eliminate
personal
transport.
These forms of transport always operate at a loss.
A lie of course. Check out the profits of the mass transit companies
(Trams, trains and buses) of companies like CONNEX is France and
National in England.
Post by Jim E
You want trains and
busses, no problem.
Private enterprise can run them as a for profit enterprise.
of course being as this form of transport is so
inefficient, and expensive, nobody will pay the cost of a ticket.
I do every day along with millions of others. Far better than driving
Post by Jim E
Mass
transit without socialism is bankruptcy in a box.
and you are uninformed
Anybody may construct any transit system they
wish, as long as I don't have to use it, or put a penny toward it.
How's that for fair.
too bad you don't feel about the cancer of the road system.
The only problem is not enough roads, don't waste my tax dollars on
boondoggle train sets like Seattle is trying to build.

Jim E
THOM
2005-02-01 11:34:47 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by THOM
Post by Jim E
Post by t***@yahoo.com
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social
control
Post by Jim E
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
If you insist on being intentionally obtuse, I will clarify. Mass transit,
in the form of busses, rail, or any other silly attempt to eliminate
personal
transport.
These forms of transport always operate at a loss.
A lie of course. Check out the profits of the mass transit companies
(Trams, trains and buses) of companies like CONNEX is France and
National in England.
Post by Jim E
You want trains and
busses, no problem.
Private enterprise can run them as a for profit enterprise.
of course being as this form of transport is so
inefficient, and expensive, nobody will pay the cost of a ticket.
I do every day along with millions of others. Far better than driving
Post by Jim E
Mass
transit without socialism is bankruptcy in a box.
and you are uninformed
Anybody may construct any transit system they
wish, as long as I don't have to use it, or put a penny toward it.
How's that for fair.
too bad you don't feel about the cancer of the road system.
The only problem is not enough roads, don't waste my tax dollars on
boondoggle train sets like Seattle is trying to build.
the problem is too many roads. My favorite worthless road is a 3 mile
paved road that goes no where but to Republican New Mexico Gov.
Kings's ranch all paid for by the tax payers.

When you can't get gas, you'll be the first one whining about not
enough public transport.

THOM
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Jim E
2005-02-01 06:56:36 UTC
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Post by THOM
Post by Jim E
The only problem is not enough roads, don't waste my tax dollars on
boondoggle train sets like Seattle is trying to build.
the problem is too many roads. My favorite worthless road is a 3 mile
paved road that goes no where but to Republican New Mexico Gov.
Kings's ranch all paid for by the tax payers.
When you can't get gas, you'll be the first one whining about not
enough public transport.
Why do all liberal 'solutions' require some disaster to make them palatable?
This explains why liberals are always wishing for the worst, Nobody wants
their "help" out of good times, and into bad.

Being as we are not running out of gas, build the damn roads.


Jim E
THOM
2005-02-01 21:05:10 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by THOM
Post by Jim E
The only problem is not enough roads, don't waste my tax dollars on
boondoggle train sets like Seattle is trying to build.
the problem is too many roads. My favorite worthless road is a 3 mile
paved road that goes no where but to Republican New Mexico Gov.
Kings's ranch all paid for by the tax payers.
When you can't get gas, you'll be the first one whining about not
enough public transport.
Why do all liberal 'solutions' require some disaster to make them palatable?
This explains why liberals are always wishing for the worst, Nobody wants
their "help" out of good times, and into bad.
when we get those good times let us know will yah. As for now we have
36 million people living in poverty and an additional 19 million
classified as homeless by the government.
Post by Jim E
Being as we are not running out of gas, build the damn roads.
screw the damned roads. They are unneeded. Where do you want to go
that you can't now? Gov Kings ranch???

THOM
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Jim E
2005-02-01 23:26:48 UTC
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Post by THOM
when we get those good times let us know will yah. As for now we have
36 million people living in poverty and an additional 19 million
classified as homeless by the government.
Sorry to hear things are so bad there in Australia. What does that have to
do with things here in the USA ?



Jim E
THOM
2005-02-02 12:18:03 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by THOM
when we get those good times let us know will yah. As for now we have
36 million people living in poverty and an additional 19 million
classified as homeless by the government.
Sorry to hear things are so bad there in Australia. What does that have to
do with things here in the USA ?
your stupid as usual. Its 35 million Americans living in poverty and
19 million more homeless but at least you admit this is really bad.
Australia has only a few thousand homeless if that and they are the
result of the right wing PM's policies.

THOM
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Ryd
2005-02-02 00:39:45 UTC
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THOM
your stupid as usual. Its 35 million Americans living in po­verty
and
19 million more homeless but at least you admit this is real­ly bad.
It's 91 million homeless, foo. Use the right bloody number, mate!
Australia has only a few thousand homeless if that and they ­are the
result of the right wing PM's policies.
You mean the one that was overwhelmingly re-elected 3 months ago?
Ryd
THOM
2005-02-02 13:29:11 UTC
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Post by Ryd
THOM
your stupid as usual. Its 35 million Americans living in po=ADverty
and
19 million more homeless but at least you admit this is real=ADly bad.
It's 91 million homeless, foo. Use the right bloody number, mate!
foo? OK if you want to say that Bush has 91 million homeless to his
credit, I won't argue. Just makes him look worse than he is.
Post by Ryd
Australia has only a few thousand homeless if that and they =ADare the
result of the right wing PM's policies.
You mean the one that was overwhelmingly re-elected 3 months ago?
Ryd
you are an ignorant idiot aren't you. Listen and learn.
Australia uses the westminster system. The head of state is the
Governor General appoint by the Queen. He is NOT ELECTED There are
two houses of Parliament, upper and lower, the upper being the Senate.
The people DO NOT ELECT THE PRIME MINISTER! The PM is the leader of a
party. Under the Westminster system you hold an election and then the
parties count the seats they hold. When the current PM was first
elected (as an example) by his local electorate he looked at the fact
his party did not have a majority and went to some of the other small
parties and offered a coalition. This usually means a bribe in the
form of ministries for the top cats in the minority parties. In this
case the leader of the National Party was offered Deputy PM. Once the
coalition is formed they can go to the Governor General and "ask to
form a government". Jackboot Johnny became PM because he was the
leader of the ultra right wing Liberal Party. At that election 51% of
the votes went to the Labor party but not 51% of the seats. It is a
flaw in the westminster system much like the electoral college is in
the USA where Gore got more votes than Bush not not electoral votes.

Class dismissed and don't do any more drugs during recess please.

THOM
Jim E
2005-02-02 16:34:12 UTC
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Post by THOM
Post by Ryd
THOM
your stupid as usual. Its 35 million Americans living in po=ADverty
and
19 million more homeless but at least you admit this is real=ADly bad.
It's 91 million homeless, foo. Use the right bloody number, mate!
foo? OK if you want to say that Bush has 91 million homeless to his
credit, I won't argue. Just makes him look worse than he is.
Post by Ryd
Australia has only a few thousand homeless if that and they =ADare the
result of the right wing PM's policies.
You mean the one that was overwhelmingly re-elected 3 months ago?
Ryd
you are an ignorant idiot aren't you. Listen and learn.
Australia uses the westminster system. The head of state is the
Governor General appoint by the Queen. He is NOT ELECTED There are
two houses of Parliament, upper and lower, the upper being the Senate.
The people DO NOT ELECT THE PRIME MINISTER! The PM is the leader of a
party. Under the Westminster system you hold an election and then the
parties count the seats they hold. When the current PM was first
elected (as an example) by his local electorate he looked at the fact
his party did not have a majority and went to some of the other small
parties and offered a coalition. This usually means a bribe in the
form of ministries for the top cats in the minority parties. In this
case the leader of the National Party was offered Deputy PM. Once the
coalition is formed they can go to the Governor General and "ask to
form a government". Jackboot Johnny became PM because he was the
leader of the ultra right wing Liberal Party. At that election 51% of
the votes went to the Labor party but not 51% of the seats. It is a
flaw in the westminster system much like the electoral college is in
the USA where Gore got more votes than Bush not not electoral votes.
Class dismissed and don't do any more drugs during recess please.
I think taking advice on how to run the US from some silly limey is just a
bit much.
You two argue out how your own little backwater works, then get back to me
on how to run the USA.

91 Million , you'd think someone would notice.
Probably Ausy math.


Jim E
THOM
2005-02-04 00:47:53 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by THOM
Post by Ryd
THOM
your stupid as usual. Its 35 million Americans living in po=ADverty
and
19 million more homeless but at least you admit this is real=ADly bad.
It's 91 million homeless, foo. Use the right bloody number, mate!
foo? OK if you want to say that Bush has 91 million homeless to his
credit, I won't argue. Just makes him look worse than he is.
Post by Ryd
Australia has only a few thousand homeless if that and they =ADare the
result of the right wing PM's policies.
You mean the one that was overwhelmingly re-elected 3 months ago?
Ryd
you are an ignorant idiot aren't you. Listen and learn.
Australia uses the westminster system. The head of state is the
Governor General appoint by the Queen. He is NOT ELECTED There are
two houses of Parliament, upper and lower, the upper being the Senate.
The people DO NOT ELECT THE PRIME MINISTER! The PM is the leader of a
party. Under the Westminster system you hold an election and then the
parties count the seats they hold. When the current PM was first
elected (as an example) by his local electorate he looked at the fact
his party did not have a majority and went to some of the other small
parties and offered a coalition. This usually means a bribe in the
form of ministries for the top cats in the minority parties. In this
case the leader of the National Party was offered Deputy PM. Once the
coalition is formed they can go to the Governor General and "ask to
form a government". Jackboot Johnny became PM because he was the
leader of the ultra right wing Liberal Party. At that election 51% of
the votes went to the Labor party but not 51% of the seats. It is a
flaw in the westminster system much like the electoral college is in
the USA where Gore got more votes than Bush not not electoral votes.
Class dismissed and don't do any more drugs during recess please.
I think taking advice on how to run the US from some silly limey is just a
bit much.
Thats what the Liberals told King George in 1776
Post by Jim E
You two argue out how your own little backwater works, then get back to me
on how to run the USA.
Stage one: get rid of Bush and the Neo-Cons
Stage Two: close down the concentration camps
Stage three: Take Bush and his gang to the Haige
Stage Three: Go after all the corrupt corporations and their leaders.
Stage four: forbid the exporting of US Jobs and cut the phone lines to
India
Post by Jim E
91 Million , you'd think someone would notice.
Probably Ausy math.
Your not making sense. I originally said there 19 million homeless is
the USA and the idiot that replied said 91 million and tried to say
its Australia. of course being a red state knuckle dragger he didn't
know the population of Australia is about 20 million. Oh gee was that
you???
Post by Jim E
Jim E
s***@lycos.com
2005-02-03 11:40:35 UTC
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THOM Feb 3, 4:47 pm

" Your not making sense. I originally said there 19 million h­omeless
is
the US...."

That's IN the US...- keyboard knuckledragger...

" I'm a liberal am I'm so goddamned stupid I post smarmy insults in the
Rush Limbaugh fans forum on google, but I make mistakes when I do it.
ehhehhehee ..I don't care pass me another Barbara Boxer liberal beer,
and my Monica blow me up doll, it's almost time to make prank calls
into the EIB network. "

By the way, I've got no fucking idea where 19 million people are
sleeping tonight, and just like Reagan, Bush has starved them to death
and told them condiments are vegetables. Bush is the biggest war
criminal of all time, and no I'm not talking about his penis, like you
talk about Clinton's. Saddam was right when he said this war is about
Bush, he's the real criminal. I hope Saddam gets reinstated, but I
support our troops, just not money for em, except when Bush cuts pay,
which he hasn't then I do, because I say he did. No I'm not the monkey.
s***@lycos.com
2005-02-03 11:49:07 UTC
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THOM Feb 3, 4:47 pm
liberal fantasy and reality

Stage one: get rid of Bush and the Neo-Cons

Reality, total loss to Bush and the republicans, again, for the third
time..

Stage Two: close down the concentration camps

Reality, liberals live in a concentration camp in their mind, with Bush
as their obsessive compulsive focal point. They won't be closing that
camp down, as the libs have gone utterly insane.

Stage three: Take Bush and his gang to the Haige

Reality, the libs can't even get Slobodan Milosevic. It is said there
is still no evidence against him. Clinton fucked up.

Stage Three: Go after all the corrupt corporations and thei­r
leaders.

Reality, Bush has already done that, while for 8 years Clinton
encouraged lawlessness and outrageous lies to the stockholders and the
American public at large.

Stage four: forbid the exporting of US Jobs and cut the phon­e lines
to
India

Reality, if you're hoping for an AOL IM tech support job, you had
better get out of this forum and over to the unemployment office
quickly.

Z
2005-02-01 00:38:17 UTC
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Chappaquiddick Ted has basic values & morals????

Z
Post by THOM
Post by Jim E
Post by t***@yahoo.com
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social
control
Post by Jim E
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
If you insist on being intentionally obtuse, I will clarify. Mass transit,
in the form of busses, rail, or any other silly attempt to eliminate
personal
transport.
These forms of transport always operate at a loss.
A lie of course. Check out the profits of the mass transit companies
(Trams, trains and buses) of companies like CONNEX is France and
National in England.
Post by Jim E
You want trains and
busses, no problem.
Private enterprise can run them as a for profit enterprise.
of course being as this form of transport is so
inefficient, and expensive, nobody will pay the cost of a ticket.
I do every day along with millions of others. Far better than driving
Post by Jim E
Mass
transit without socialism is bankruptcy in a box.
and you are uninformed
Anybody may construct any transit system they
wish, as long as I don't have to use it, or put a penny toward it.
How's that for fair.
too bad you don't feel about the cancer of the road system.
THOM
Post by Jim E
Jim E
Steven L.
2005-02-01 01:02:33 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Post by Jim E
Public transport is nothing more than a thinly veiled form of social
control
Post by Jim E
by the loons who know what is best for us.
It takes you not where you want to go, but where it goes
I gather this poster only drives on private roads. Must not get out
much.
If you insist on being intentionally obtuse, I will clarify. Mass transit,
in the form of busses, rail, or any other silly attempt to eliminate
personal
transport.
These forms of transport always operate at a loss. You want trains and
busses, no problem.
Private enterprise can run them as a for profit enterprise.
of course being as this form of transport is so
inefficient, and expensive, nobody will pay the cost of a ticket. Mass
transit without socialism is bankruptcy in a box.
Qualifier : here in the non megalopolis west.
It may be feasible in the warrens of
the urban pits.
In New York City, the first subways were built by the private
Interborough Rapid Transit Corporation (IRT). And they operated at a
profit until City Hall decided to drive them out of business.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
Email: ***@earthlinkNOSPAM.net

Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
the liberal left is evil
2005-01-13 04:32:21 UTC
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Value to self first, party second. That's all Kennedy knows.
m***@astound.net
2005-01-29 17:37:04 UTC
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Post by the liberal left is evil
Value to self first, party second. That's all Kennedy knows.
Soounds like Bush to me. But it would be self first, cronies
second, campaign contributors third, party fourth, and
the country last. A very far down last.
Geo
2005-01-13 13:57:25 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
OpinionJournal
Best of the Web Today
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006148
----------
"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
What had the democrat party come to when it must resort to the likes of
Ted Kennedy to lead the charge for values?
ZenIsWhen
2005-01-13 14:41:32 UTC
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Post by Geo
Post by Nomen Nescio
OpinionJournal
Best of the Web Today
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006148
----------
"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
What had the democrat party come to when it must resort to the likes of
Ted Kennedy to lead the charge for values?
Bwahahaaa.... with thte like of Gingrich, Bush, Robertson, Falwell, DeLay
and manmy other insane and corrupt leaders, the republicans have NO right o
talk aobut democrats ALLEGED shortcomings.

BTW ... If you can list Mary Jo with Kennedy - can I list the thousand
Americans that were lkilled in Bush's insane, and corrupt, war?
Can I list the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis that were murdereed in
Bush's illegal war?

Can I list all the people killed on 9/11 - after Bush and company TOTALLY
ignored the warning signs that Osama was going to strike?

Can I list the people who will get sick and die because Bush cut
environmentl pollution laws so that corporations can pollute MORE instead of
less?

Can I list the thousands of elderly who will get sicker and possibly die
because they cannot afford medications - partialy thanks to Bush's
outrageous favoratism to drug companies?
Hillary is a Crook
2005-01-13 14:44:32 UTC
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Post by ZenIsWhen
Can I list the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis that were murdereed in
Bush's illegal war?
No, because the war isn't illegal. In fact, the following people
AUTHORIZED the war, thus making it quite legal according to our
Constitution:

Kerry Said "If You Don't Believe In The U.N. ... Or You Don't Believe Saddam
Hussein Is A Threat With Nuclear Weapons, Then You Shouldn't Vote For Me."
(Ronald Brownstein, "On Iraq, Kerry Appears Either Torn Or Shrewd," Los
Angeles Times, 1/31/03)

Kerry Said Leaving Saddam Hussein "Unfettered With Nuclear Weapons Or
Weapons Of Mass Destruction Is Unacceptable." (Jill Lawrence, "War Issue
Challenges Democratic Candidates," USA Today, 2/12/03)

Kerry Defended Vote In Support Of Use Of Force In Iraq." "I think Saddam
Hussein's weapons of mass destruction are a threat, and that's why I voted
to hold him accountable and to make certain that we disarm him. I think we
need to, but it's not September 11th, folks, and the fact is that what we've
learned is that the war on terror is much more of an intelligence operation
and a law enforcement operation." (Sen. John Kerry As Quoted On NPR's "All
Things Considered," 3/19/03)

Kerry Said We Owe It To US Troops To Be Informed Of Saddam Hussein's WMD
Arsenal. "We owe it to America's parents and our country's troops . to have
our decision on going to war with Iraq informed by the latest threat
assessment that cross-analyzes agency intelligence about Saddam Hussein's
arsenal of weapons of mass destruction." (Faye Bowers, "Iraq's Pursuit Of
Nuclear Weapons Called 'Unrelenting'," Deseret News, 9/18/02)

Kerry Said Threat Of Saddam Hussein's WMD Is Real. "The threat of Saddam
Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but as I said, it is not
new. It has been with us since the end of that war, and particularly in the
last 4 years we know after Operation Desert Fox failed to force him to
reaccept them, that he has continued to build those weapons. He has had a
free hand for 4 years to reconstitute these weapons, allowing the world,
during the interval, to lose the focus we had on weapons of mass destruction
and the issue of proliferation." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record,
10/9/02, p. S10171)

Kerry Said Saddam's Arsenal Of WMD Is Cause Of War. "As bad as he is, Saddam
Hussein, the dictator, is not the cause of war. Saddam Hussein sitting in
Baghdad with an arsenal of weapons of mass destruction is a different
matter." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10173)

Kerry Wished For Resolution More Focused On The Removal Of Iraq's WMD. "The
President said: Saddam Hussein must disarm himself, or, for the sake of
peace, we will lead a coalition to disarm him. This statement left no doubt
that the casus belli for the United States will be Iraq's failure to rid
itself of weapons of mass destruction. I would have preferred that the
President agree to the approach drafted by Senators Biden and Lugar because
that resolution would authorize the use of force for the explicit purpose of
disarming Iraq and countering the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction." (Sen. John Kerry, Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10173)

Kerry Said U.S. Should Make Clear We Will Not Be Blackmailed By Iraq's WMD.
"I believe the Senate will make it clear, and the country will make it
clear, that we will not be blackmailed or extorted by these weapons, and we
will not permit the United Nations an institution we have worked hard to
nurture and create to simply be ignored by this dictator." (Sen. John Kerry,
Congressional Record, 10/9/02, p. S10174)



http://www.cnn.com/US/9812/16/clinton.iraq.speech/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- From the Oval Office, President Clinton told the nation
Wednesday evening why he ordered new military strikes against Iraq.

The president said Iraq's refusal to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors
presented a threat to the entire world.

"Saddam (Hussein) must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world
with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons," Clinton said.

Operation Desert Fox, a strong, sustained series of attacks, will be carried
out over several days by U.S. and British forces, Clinton said.

"Earlier today I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and
security targets in Iraq. They are joined by British forces," Clinton said.

"Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons
programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors," said Clinton.

Clinton also stated that, while other countries also had weapons of mass
destruction, Hussein is in a different category because he has used such
weapons against his own people and against his neighbors.

The Iraqi leader was given a final warning six weeks ago, Clinton said, when
Baghdad promised to cooperate with U.N. inspectors at the last minute just
as U.S. warplanes were headed its way.

"Along with Prime Minister (Tony) Blair of Great Britain, I made it equally
clear that if Saddam failed to cooperate fully we would be prepared to act
without delay, diplomacy or warning," Clinton said.

The president said the report handed in Tuesday by Richard Butler, head of
the United Nations Special Commission in charge of finding and destroying
Iraqi weapons, was stark and sobering.

Iraq failed to cooperate with the inspectors and placed new restrictions on
them, Clinton said. He said Iraqi officials also destroyed records and moved
everything, even the furniture, out of suspected sites before inspectors
were allowed in.

"Instead of inspectors disarming Saddam, Saddam has disarmed the
inspectors," Clinton said.

"In halting our airstrikes in November, I gave Saddam a chance -- not a
license. If we turn our backs on his defiance, the credibility of U.S. power
as a check against Saddam will be destroyed," the president explained.

Clinton said he made the decision to strike Wednesday with the unanimous
agreement of his security advisors.

Timing was important, said the president, because without a strong
inspection system in place, Iraq could rebuild its chemical, biological and
nuclear programs in a matter of months, not years.

"If Saddam can cripple the weapons inspections system and get away with it,
he would conclude the international community, led by the United States, has
simply lost its will," said Clinton. "He would surmise that he has free rein
to rebuild his arsenal of destruction."

Clinton also called Hussein a threat to his people and to the security of
the world.

"The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi
government -- a government ready to live in peace with its neighbors, a
government that respects the rights of its people," Clinton said.

Such a change in Baghdad would take time and effort, Clinton said, adding
that his administration would work with Iraqi opposition forces.

Clinton also addressed the ongoing impeachment crisis in the White House.

"Saddam Hussein and the other enemies of peace may have thought that the
serious debate currently before the House of Representatives would distract
Americans or weaken our resolve to face him down," he said.

"But once more, the United States has proven that although we are never
eager to use force, when we must act in America's vital interests, we will
do so."
--
Stevie Nicks / Fleetwood Mac streaming audio

www.radio17.com
MFOgilvie
2005-01-13 20:57:58 UTC
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Post by ZenIsWhen
Post by Geo
Post by Nomen Nescio
OpinionJournal
Best of the Web Today
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006148
----------
"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
What had the democrat party come to when it must resort to the likes of
Ted Kennedy to lead the charge for values?
Bwahahaaa.... with thte like of Gingrich, Bush, Robertson, Falwell, DeLay
and manmy other insane and corrupt leaders, the republicans have NO right o
talk aobut democrats ALLEGED shortcomings.
BTW ... If you can list Mary Jo with Kennedy - can I list the
thousand
Post by ZenIsWhen
Americans that were lkilled in Bush's insane, and corrupt, war?
Can I list the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis that were
murdereed in
Post by ZenIsWhen
Bush's illegal war?
Can I list all the people killed on 9/11 - after Bush and company TOTALLY
ignored the warning signs that Osama was going to strike?
Can I list the people who will get sick and die because Bush cut
environmentl pollution laws so that corporations can pollute MORE instead of
less?
Can I list the thousands of elderly who will get sicker and possibly die
because they cannot afford medications - partialy thanks to Bush's
outrageous favoratism to drug companies?
No you can't, because nothing you just said is true. So shut up and go
home to mommy.
Jim E
2005-01-14 02:37:13 UTC
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Post by Geo
Post by Nomen Nescio
OpinionJournal
Best of the Web Today
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006148
----------
"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
What had the democrat party come to when it must resort to the likes of
Ted Kennedy to lead the charge for values?
Equivalency rant flushed >>>>

You can in good conscience support a bloated drunken rich kid, who didn't do
prison time for manslaughter because of family connections, and have the
nerve to say Bush was pampered??

What a RAVING KOOK



Jim E
m***@astound.net
2005-01-29 17:39:13 UTC
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Post by Jim E
Post by Geo
Post by Nomen Nescio
OpinionJournal
Best of the Web Today
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006148
----------
"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
What had the democrat party come to when it must resort to the likes of
Ted Kennedy to lead the charge for values?
Equivalency rant flushed >>>>
You can in good conscience support a bloated drunken rich kid, who didn't do
prison time for manslaughter because of family connections, and have the
nerve to say Bush was pampered??
What a RAVING KOOK
Kennedy was certainly pampered. What's funny is that you have the never
to say that Bush was any less so.
j***@aol.com
2005-01-22 22:51:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by ZenIsWhen
Post by Geo
Post by Nomen Nescio
OpinionJournal
Best of the Web Today
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110006148
----------
"Sen. Edward Kennedy, the leading liberal voice in Congress,
said on Wednesday that Democrats 'must do a better job' of
promoting what he called their basic, unifying values if they
are to rebound from their defeat in the November elections.
"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us as
Americans, instead of dividing us," the Massachusetts Democrat
said in a speech prepared for delivery at the National Press
Club.
"Today, I propose a progressive vision for America, a vision
that Democrats must fight for in the months and years ahead--a
vision rooted in our basic values of opportunity, fairness,
tolerance and respect for each other." http://snipurl.com/bysd
----------
Mary Jo Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
What had the democrat party come to when it must resort to the likes of
Ted Kennedy to lead the charge for values?
Bwahahaaa.... with thte like of Gingrich, Bush, Robertson, Falwell, DeLay
and manmy other insane and corrupt leaders, the republicans have NO right o
talk aobut democrats ALLEGED shortcomings.
BTW ... If you can list Mary Jo with Kennedy - can I list the
thousand
Post by ZenIsWhen
Americans that were lkilled in Bush's insane, and corrupt, war?
Can I list the tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis that were
murdereed in
Post by ZenIsWhen
Bush's illegal war?
Can I list all the people killed on 9/11 - after Bush and company TOTALLY
ignored the warning signs that Osama was going to strike?
Can I list the people who will get sick and die because Bush cut
environmentl pollution laws so that corporations can pollute MORE instead of
less?
Can I list the thousands of elderly who will get sicker and possibly die
because they cannot afford medications - partialy thanks to Bush's
outrageous favoratism to drug companies?
You've really internalized the dark side of the Democrat Party and its
ugly and relentless propaganda.
Dr. James Slaughter
2005-01-14 03:05:04 UTC
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Kennedy is Catholic. Nothing more needs to be said.
s***@lycos.com
2005-02-03 11:27:47 UTC
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Only a demolib jackassed idiot could contradict himself so clearly and
openly like this:

"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us­ as
Americans, instead of dividing us," said Mary's manslaughtering drunken
killer.

Ummm... you singled out and divided off the republican party, therefore
more than half the Americans, yet claim you- who represent
demolibjackassediidiots (demolibidiots for short), believe your values
unite us...LOL
Man- I guess they ought to just quietly walk Teddy to the asylum.
s***@lycos.com
2005-02-03 11:27:48 UTC
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Only a demolib jackassed idiot could contradict himself so clearly and
openly like this:

"Unlike the Republican Party, we believe our values unite us­ as
Americans, instead of dividing us," said Mary's manslaughtering drunken
killer.

Ummm... you singled out and divided off the republican party, therefore
more than half the Americans, yet claim you- who represent
demolibjackassediidiots (demolibidiots for short), believe your values
unite us...LOL
Man- I guess they ought to just quietly walk Teddy to the asylum.
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