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We owe future generations a livable environment
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Harry Hope
2010-07-08 01:01:43 UTC
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July 7, 2010

We owe future generations a livable environment

By Alejandro Reuss


We need to act on climate change because we owe future generations a
livable environment.

These days, politicians are constantly invoking the interests of “our
grandchildren” in arguments against deficit spending.

If they really care about future generations, though, they should
support legislation to rein in greenhouse gas emissions now.

At least two dozen senators have referred, in Senate session this
year, to government debt as an unconscionable burden on “our
grandchildren.”

More than two-thirds of these same senators, however, just voted for a
Senate bill that would have stripped the Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA) of the power to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, with
no alternative in place.

The opponents of deficit spending are almost completely wrong on the
economics.

The U.S. government can borrow at very low interest rates.

As economics Nobel laureate Paul Krugman estimates, the annual
interest payment on $1 trillion the government borrows today amounts
to less than one-tenth of 1 percent of GDP.

Though they exaggerate the burden of the government debt, the deficit
hawks are right that we have a sacred duty to future generations.

Our grandchildren have no way to make their voices heard, so we have
the power to put our own interests ahead of theirs, if we choose.

Our willingness to make some sacrifices for the sake of the
generations that follow us, then, is a test of our virtue.

Climate change is a grave threat to future generations.

Climate scientists predict harms that include rising sea levels and
flooded coastal areas, increased extreme weather events (like severe
hurricanes), and the disruption of existing ecosystems.

The consensus among climate scientists firmly establishes links
between our combustion of fossil fuels and rising atmospheric
concentrations of greenhouse gases, and between those rising
concentrations and climate change.

It would be unconscionably self-serving to ignore the science, go on
burning fossil fuels as we have up to now, and hope against hope that
everything will turn out fine.

One might compare climate change denial to gambling the future at a
roulette wheel when you don’t know the likelihood of merely losing
your shirt versus losing the family house.

But it’s really much worse than that.

Those who won’t face up to the need for serious action now are
gambling the future not only of “our” grandchildren in this country
but also other people’s grandchildren all over the world.

______________________________________________________

Harry
Not Sure
2010-07-08 01:05:13 UTC
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Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar. Try to come to terms with your own utter insignificance,
fuckface.
Post by Harry Hope
By Alejandro Reuss
We need to act on climate change because we owe future generations a
livable environment.
These days, politicians are constantly invoking the interests of “our
grandchildren” in arguments against deficit spending.
If they really care about future generations, though, they should
support legislation to rein in greenhouse gas emissions now.
At least two dozen senators have referred, in Senate session this
year, to government debt as an unconscionable burden on “our
grandchildren.”
More than two-thirds of these same senators, however, just voted for a
Senate bill that would have stripped the Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA) of the power to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, with
no alternative in place.
The opponents of deficit spending are almost completely wrong on the
economics.
The U.S. government can borrow at very low interest rates.
As economics Nobel laureate Paul Krugman estimates, the annual
interest payment on $1 trillion the government borrows today amounts
to less than one-tenth of 1 percent of GDP.
Though they exaggerate the burden of the government debt, the deficit
hawks are right that we have a sacred duty to future generations.
Our grandchildren have no way to make their voices heard, so we have
the power to put our own interests ahead of theirs, if we choose.
Our willingness to make some sacrifices for the sake of the
generations that follow us, then, is a test of our virtue.
Climate change is a grave threat to future generations.
Climate scientists predict harms that include rising sea levels and
flooded coastal areas, increased extreme weather events (like severe
hurricanes), and the disruption of existing ecosystems.
The consensus among climate scientists firmly establishes links
between our combustion of fossil fuels and rising atmospheric
concentrations of greenhouse gases, and between those rising
concentrations and climate change.
It would be unconscionably self-serving to ignore the science, go on
burning fossil fuels as we have up to now, and hope against hope that
everything will turn out fine.
One might compare climate change denial to gambling the future at a
roulette wheel when you don’t know the likelihood of merely losing
your shirt versus losing the family house.
But it’s really much worse than that.
Those who won’t face up to the need for serious action now are
gambling the future not only of “our” grandchildren in this country
but also other people’s grandchildren all over the world.
______________________________________________________
Harry
Peter Principle
2010-07-08 01:29:04 UTC
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Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>

Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html

DOH! One more perfectly good rightard buffoon lie shot all to hell by
REALITY...
Post by Not Sure
Try to come to terms with your own utter insignificance,
fuckface.
Try to come to terms with the fact that you're an undereducated subliterate
ignorant rightarded imbecile.

Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MAROON!

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Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
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Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
spammer
2010-07-08 05:04:30 UTC
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Post by Peter Principle
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
DOH! One more perfectly good rightard buffoon lie shot all to hell by
REALITY...
Post by Not Sure
Try to come to terms with your own utter insignificance,
fuckface.
Try to come to terms with the fact that you're an undereducated subliterate
ignorant rightarded imbecile.
Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MAROON!
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Off your meds again, eh petey girl?
Not Sure
2010-07-08 18:42:40 UTC
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Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Another argument lost in record time :)
Post by Peter Principle
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
DOH! One more perfectly good rightard buffoon lie shot all to hell by
REALITY...
Post by Not Sure
Try to come to terms with your own utter insignificance,
fuckface.
Try to come to terms with the fact that you're an undereducated subliterate
ignorant rightarded imbecile.
Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MAROON!
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Peter Principle
2010-07-08 23:06:32 UTC
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Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Another argument lost in record time :)
As far as you know :)

Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html

Well, you stupid fuck?

<tap, tap, tap>

Must one be rock hard,super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?

You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.

---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Steve
2010-07-08 23:40:38 UTC
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On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:06:32 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Another argument lost in record time :)
As far as you know :)
Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
Well, you stupid fuck?
<tap, tap, tap>
Must one be rock hard,super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?
You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
I could care less that the far left loons ride busses and piss away
their money in the organic aisle of the grocery to "reduce their
carbon footprint." It's them that seek to change minds and that's
not working for them.
--
...watching Obamma supporters wimp and whine about the ecomnomy... PRICELESS
Peter Principle
2010-07-09 01:44:06 UTC
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Post by Steve
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:06:32 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Another argument lost in record time :)
As far as you know :)
Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
Well, you stupid fuck?
<tap, tap, tap>
Must one be rock hard,super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?
You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
I could care less that the far left loons ride busses and piss away
their money in the organic aisle of the grocery to "reduce their
carbon footprint." It's them that seek to change minds and that's
not working for them.
So, you could care less, could you, dullard? Well, then, by all means do!

Did your subliterate rightarded stupid ass mean to say, perhaps, that you
COULD NOT care less? Or are you just too fucking stupid to ken the
difference?

BTW, dullard, there is no reason to quote 73 lines you're not responding to
just to fart out some entirely non germane ad hominem. Nor is it necessary,
dullard, to quote a FUCKING SIG FILE, fer chrissakes.

Please do learn to TRIM your responses. Your prodigious idiocy will still be
there for all to laugh at, just ever so much easier to access.

Now, you stupid asshole, I don't suppose your rightarded subliterate goober
ass has anything, anything at all to say that is in any way relevant to the
TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION?

<tap, tap, tap>

Didn't think so, dullard. You may go, now, dullard. Your stupid ass has been
most thoroughly dismissed. Again.

---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Not Sure
2010-07-09 01:44:41 UTC
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Post by Peter Principle
Post by Steve
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:06:32 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Another argument lost in record time :)
As far as you know :)
Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
Well, you stupid fuck?
<tap, tap, tap>
Must one be rock hard,super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?
You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
I could care less that the far left loons ride busses and piss away
their money in the organic aisle of the grocery to "reduce their
carbon footprint."   It's them that seek to change minds and that's
not working for them.
So, you could care less, could you, dullard? Well, then, by all means do!
ROFL, yet another argument lost. Congratulations, witless :)
Post by Peter Principle
Did your subliterate rightarded stupid ass mean to say, perhaps, that you
COULD NOT care less? Or are you just too fucking stupid to ken the
difference?
BTW, dullard, there is no reason to quote 73 lines you're not responding to
just to fart out some entirely non germane ad hominem. Nor is it necessary,
dullard, to quote a FUCKING SIG FILE, fer chrissakes.
Please do learn to TRIM your responses. Your prodigious idiocy will still be
there for all to laugh at, just ever so much easier to access.
Now, you stupid asshole, I don't suppose your rightarded subliterate goober
ass has anything, anything at all to say that is in any way relevant to the
TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION?
<tap, tap, tap>
Didn't think so, dullard. You may go, now, dullard. Your stupid ass has been
most thoroughly dismissed. Again.
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Peter Principle
2010-07-11 00:53:51 UTC
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Post by Not Sure
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Steve
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:06:32 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Another argument lost in record time :)
As far as you know :)
Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
Well, you stupid fuck?
<tap, tap, tap>
Must one be rock hard,super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?
You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
I could care less that the far left loons ride busses and piss away
their money in the organic aisle of the grocery to "reduce their
carbon footprint."   It's them that seek to change minds and that's
not working for them.
So, you could care less, could you, dullard? Well, then, by all means do!
ROFL, yet another argument lost. Congratulations, witless :)
Yeah, boy, jeen-yus, repeating the exact same failed stupid actions over and
over and over and over and over...

...each time expecting a different outcome, shore izza brill-yent
strategery!

Why, it's almost as klever as quoting ONE HUNDRED AND SEVENTEEN FUCKING
LINES OF TEXT - including quoting a fucking SIG FILE, no less, for
absolutely no reason whatsoever, TWICE, no less - while not responding to
so much ONE FUCKING WORD you quoted.

Well played! Bravo! Keep up the good work, you stupid motherfucker!

Now, we all already know the answer, you stupid motherfucker, but it's only
fair to ask.Did you have anything, anything at all to say that is in any way
even remotely germane to the actual TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION?

<tap, tap, tap>

Anything at all?

Jaybus Freaking Crisco, what a MORAN you are!
Post by Not Sure
Post by Peter Principle
Did your subliterate rightarded stupid ass mean to say, perhaps, that you
COULD NOT care less? Or are you just too fucking stupid to ken the
difference?
BTW, dullard, there is no reason to quote 73 lines you're not responding to
just to fart out some entirely non germane ad hominem. Nor is it necessary,
dullard, to quote a FUCKING SIG FILE, fer chrissakes.
Please do learn to TRIM your responses. Your prodigious idiocy will still be
there for all to laugh at, just ever so much easier to access.
Now, you stupid asshole, I don't suppose your rightarded subliterate goober
ass has anything, anything at all to say that is in any way relevant to the
TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION?
<tap, tap, tap>
Didn't think so, dullard. You may go, now, dullard. Your stupid ass has been
most thoroughly dismissed. Again.
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Steve
2010-07-09 10:08:36 UTC
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On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:44:06 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Steve
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:06:32 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Another argument lost in record time :)
As far as you know :)
Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
Well, you stupid fuck?
<tap, tap, tap>
Must one be rock hard,super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?
You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
I could care less that the far left loons ride busses and piss away
their money in the organic aisle of the grocery to "reduce their
carbon footprint." It's them that seek to change minds and that's
not working for them.
So, you could care less, could you, dullard? Well, then, by all means do!
Did your subliterate rightarded stupid ass mean to say, perhaps, that you
COULD NOT care less? Or are you just too fucking stupid to ken the
difference?
My, my, the far left fools are getting shrill these days...
Post by Peter Principle
BTW, dullard, there is no reason to quote 73 lines you're not responding to
just to fart out some entirely non germane ad hominem. Nor is it necessary,
dullard, to quote a FUCKING SIG FILE, fer chrissakes.
<chuckle> Angry lefterloons are so entertaining..
Post by Peter Principle
Please do learn to TRIM your responses. Your prodigious idiocy will still be
there for all to laugh at, just ever so much easier to access.
Now, you stupid asshole, I don't suppose your rightarded subliterate goober
ass has anything, anything at all to say that is in any way relevant to the
TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION?
<tap, tap, tap>
A response such as that implies that I have some reason to want to
change your mind on the subject, Dummy. I don't.
Post by Peter Principle
Didn't think so, dullard. You may go, now, dullard. Your stupid ass has been
most thoroughly dismissed. Again.
<shaking my head and smiling> People are more and more ignoring the
rants and raves of the GW fools... Screaming and shouting surely
doesn't help their cause.
--
...watching Obamma supporters wimp and whine about the ecomnomy... PRICELESS
Peter Principle
2010-07-11 01:00:11 UTC
Permalink
I just can't tell you how fucking SHOCKED I am that all you can do is fart
nonsense and run away like a WATB! Why, who would ever expect such a thing
from a subliterate rightarded stupid goober asshole who thinks it somehow
something other than the height of idiocy to quote ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE
FUCKING LINES OF TEXT - including a sig file, fer chrissakes, while not
responding to so much as even one word quoted?

Yeah, boy, yooz shore izza lookin' smarterer! As far as you know...

Judging from your command of you native tongue, obviously you're an alumnus
of Glenn Beck Yoo-knee-vurs-uh-tee, right?

Jaybus, what a MORAN!
Post by Steve
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:44:06 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Steve
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:06:32 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Another argument lost in record time :)
As far as you know :)
Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
Well, you stupid fuck?
<tap, tap, tap>
Must one be rock hard,super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?
You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
I could care less that the far left loons ride busses and piss away
their money in the organic aisle of the grocery to "reduce their
carbon footprint." It's them that seek to change minds and that's
not working for them.
So, you could care less, could you, dullard? Well, then, by all means do!
Did your subliterate rightarded stupid ass mean to say, perhaps, that you
COULD NOT care less? Or are you just too fucking stupid to ken the
difference?
My, my, the far left fools are getting shrill these days...
Post by Peter Principle
BTW, dullard, there is no reason to quote 73 lines you're not responding to
just to fart out some entirely non germane ad hominem. Nor is it necessary,
dullard, to quote a FUCKING SIG FILE, fer chrissakes.
<chuckle> Angry lefterloons are so entertaining..
Post by Peter Principle
Please do learn to TRIM your responses. Your prodigious idiocy will still be
there for all to laugh at, just ever so much easier to access.
Now, you stupid asshole, I don't suppose your rightarded subliterate goober
ass has anything, anything at all to say that is in any way relevant to the
TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION?
<tap, tap, tap>
A response such as that implies that I have some reason to want to
change your mind on the subject, Dummy. I don't.
Post by Peter Principle
Didn't think so, dullard. You may go, now, dullard. Your stupid ass has been
most thoroughly dismissed. Again.
<shaking my head and smiling> People are more and more ignoring the
rants and raves of the GW fools... Screaming and shouting surely
doesn't help their cause.
Steve
2010-07-11 09:39:24 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 20:00:11 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
I just can't tell you how fucking SHOCKED I am that all you can do is fart
nonsense and run away like a WATB!
<chuckles> What would a person hope to gain by arguing with a GW
loon, Dummy. ...and I surely wouldn't want to risk changing your mind
on the subject since I actually like that you fools strive to use less
energy, ride busses, buy <LOL> organic meat and vegetables (etc).

Good entertainment value.

Why, who would ever expect such a thing
Post by Peter Principle
from a subliterate rightarded stupid goober asshole who thinks it somehow
something other than the height of idiocy to quote ONE HUNDRED AND TWELVE
FUCKING LINES OF TEXT - including a sig file, fer chrissakes, while not
responding to so much as even one word quoted?
I'm simply trying to be careful about upsetting your belief system. I
can see how much you treasure your fantasies.
Post by Peter Principle
Yeah, boy, yooz shore izza lookin' smarterer! As far as you know...
Speaking of being smarter, when exactly are you GW fools going to
start winning people over to your cause instead of losing them?
Post by Peter Principle
Judging from your command of you native tongue, obviously you're an alumnus
of Glenn Beck Yoo-knee-vurs-uh-tee, right?
Jaybus, what a MORAN!
Post by Steve
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 20:44:06 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Steve
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:06:32 -0500, Peter Principle
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Another argument lost in record time :)
As far as you know :)
Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html
Well, you stupid fuck?
<tap, tap, tap>
Must one be rock hard,super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?
You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.
---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?
http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134
Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments
Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
I could care less that the far left loons ride busses and piss away
their money in the organic aisle of the grocery to "reduce their
carbon footprint." It's them that seek to change minds and that's
not working for them.
So, you could care less, could you, dullard? Well, then, by all means do!
Did your subliterate rightarded stupid ass mean to say, perhaps, that you
COULD NOT care less? Or are you just too fucking stupid to ken the
difference?
My, my, the far left fools are getting shrill these days...
Post by Peter Principle
BTW, dullard, there is no reason to quote 73 lines you're not responding to
just to fart out some entirely non germane ad hominem. Nor is it necessary,
dullard, to quote a FUCKING SIG FILE, fer chrissakes.
<chuckle> Angry lefterloons are so entertaining..
Post by Peter Principle
Please do learn to TRIM your responses. Your prodigious idiocy will still be
there for all to laugh at, just ever so much easier to access.
Now, you stupid asshole, I don't suppose your rightarded subliterate goober
ass has anything, anything at all to say that is in any way relevant to the
TOPIC UNDER DISCUSSION?
<tap, tap, tap>
A response such as that implies that I have some reason to want to
change your mind on the subject, Dummy. I don't.
Post by Peter Principle
Didn't think so, dullard. You may go, now, dullard. Your stupid ass has been
most thoroughly dismissed. Again.
<shaking my head and smiling> People are more and more ignoring the
rants and raves of the GW fools... Screaming and shouting surely
doesn't help their cause.
--
...watching Obamma supporters wimp and whine about the economy... PRICELESS
N***@tweet.net
2010-07-11 15:13:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by Steve
I'm simply trying to be careful about upsetting your belief system. I
can see how much you treasure your fantasies.
Like you and Zepp?

BWHHAHAHAHAHA
Nobody
2010-07-12 01:05:05 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:05:13 -0700 (PDT), Not Sure
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Quick question Petey. Is there a group on usenet that you DON'T get
your ass kicked in?
Peter Principle
2010-07-12 01:17:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nobody
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:05:13 -0700 (PDT), Not Sure
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Quick question Petey. Is there a group on usenet that you DON'T get
your ass kicked in?
Quick question, PWND stupid asshole clueless luser obsessed lying stalker,
pathetically following me from thread to thread like a lost puppy looking
for momma's atrophied teat:

Can you EVER come up with ANYTHING in any way even REMOTELY related to the
TOPIC AT HAND or are you really THAT fucking stupid?

FYI, booblet, that's a *rhetorical* question. In point of fact, you've
already answered it. Quite thoroughly, at that.

But hey, in case you ever manage to beg, borrow or steal a pair of
functioning brain cells to rub together, here, moran, try again...

Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html

Well, you stupid fuck?

<tap, tap, tap>

Must one be rock hard, super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?

You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.

---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Nobody
2010-07-12 01:24:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Peter Principle
Post by Nobody
Quick question Petey. Is there a group on usenet that you DON'T
get your ass kicked in?
Quick question, PWND stupid asshole clueless luser obsessed lying
stalker, pathetically following me from thread to thread like a
I guess that means no.

You were even so fucking stoooopid, you replied twice with exactly the
same shit. Your cut and past skills are legendary. So is your
stoooopidity.

Bye-o dumbass.
Peter Principle
2010-07-12 01:18:29 UTC
Permalink
Post by Nobody
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:05:13 -0700 (PDT), Not Sure
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar.
<snort>
Well, hey, obviously, jeen-yus!
Quick question Petey. Is there a group on usenet that you DON'T get
your ass kicked in?
<yawn>

Quick question, PWND stupid asshole clueless luser obsessed lying stalker,
pathetically following me from thread to thread like a lost puppy looking
for momma's atrophied teat:

Can you EVER come up with ANYTHING in any way even REMOTELY related to the
TOPIC AT HAND or are you really THAT fucking stupid?

FYI, booblet, that's a *rhetorical* question. In point of fact, you've
already answered it. Quite thoroughly, at that.

But hey, in case you ever manage to beg, borrow or steal a pair of
functioning brain cells to rub together, here, moran, try again...

Now, idiot, stand up and explain to the class precisely how fucking STUPID
one must be to claim humans can't affect the environment, given the
following IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE of humans, wait for it, you stupid fuck,
AFFECTING THE ENVIRONMENT. Begin, maroon...

http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/oilspill/index.html

Well, you stupid fuck?

<tap, tap, tap>

Must one be rock hard, super dense, singularity-type stupid or is
run-of-the-mill ignorant boobery stupid sufficient?

You may go, now, you stupid motherfucker. You have yet again been most
thoroughly dismissed.

---
Welcome to reality. Enjoy your visit. Slow thinkers keep right.
------
Why are so many not smart enough to know they're not smart enough?

http://www.apa.org/journals/features/psp7761121.pdf
© 1999 by the American Psychological Association
December 1999 Vol. 77, No. 6, 1121-1134

Unskilled and Unaware of It: How Difficulties in Recognizing One's Own
Incompetence Lead to Inflated Self-Assessments

Justin Kruger and David Dunning
Department of Psychology
Cornell University

ABSTRACT:
...the authors found that participants scoring in the bottom quartile
on tests of humor, grammar, and logic grossly overestimated their test
performance and ability. Although their test scores put them in the
12th percentile, they estimated themselves to be in the 62nd.
Dawlish
2010-07-08 11:30:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Not Sure
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
"We're" completely powerless to do anything about the environment,
liar. Try to come to terms with your own utter insignificance,
fuckface.
Post by Harry Hope
By Alejandro Reuss
We need to act on climate change because we owe future generations a
livable environment.
These days, politicians are constantly invoking the interests of “our
grandchildren” in arguments against deficit spending.
If they really care about future generations, though, they should
support legislation to rein in greenhouse gas emissions now.
At least two dozen senators have referred, in Senate session this
year, to government debt as an unconscionable burden on “our
grandchildren.”
More than two-thirds of these same senators, however, just voted for a
Senate bill that would have stripped the Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA) of the power to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, with
no alternative in place.
The opponents of deficit spending are almost completely wrong on the
economics.
The U.S. government can borrow at very low interest rates.
As economics Nobel laureate Paul Krugman estimates, the annual
interest payment on $1 trillion the government borrows today amounts
to less than one-tenth of 1 percent of GDP.
Though they exaggerate the burden of the government debt, the deficit
hawks are right that we have a sacred duty to future generations.
Our grandchildren have no way to make their voices heard, so we have
the power to put our own interests ahead of theirs, if we choose.
Our willingness to make some sacrifices for the sake of the
generations that follow us, then, is a test of our virtue.
Climate change is a grave threat to future generations.
Climate scientists predict harms that include rising sea levels and
flooded coastal areas, increased extreme weather events (like severe
hurricanes), and the disruption of existing ecosystems.
The consensus among climate scientists firmly establishes links
between our combustion of fossil fuels and rising atmospheric
concentrations of greenhouse gases, and between those rising
concentrations and climate change.
It would be unconscionably self-serving to ignore the science, go on
burning fossil fuels as we have up to now, and hope against hope that
everything will turn out fine.
One might compare climate change denial to gambling the future at a
roulette wheel when you don’t know the likelihood of merely losing
your shirt versus losing the family house.
But it’s really much worse than that.
Those who won’t face up to the need for serious action now are
gambling the future not only of “our” grandchildren in this country
but also other people’s grandchildren all over the world.
______________________________________________________
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Stupid *and* foul-mouthed. Not the greatest of combinations, but one
far too often found amongst your kind. You can add fascists, racists
and liars to that too and that's just some on here. Not every denier
is as bad as that, but the number is very significant and is why no-
one cares a hoot what stupid, foul-mouthed (and/or racist, fascist,
liars for that matter) people like you actually say.
$27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto
2010-07-08 02:38:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
By Alejandro Reuss
We need to act on climate change because we owe future generations a
livable environment.
While we should do what is practical to avoid despoiling the
environment (that doesn't include spending hundreds of billions on
crackpot theory) we'd be better off leaving what is to the generations
that are coming because they will have superior technology to deal
with the problems than we do now. Trying to (as an example) implement
solar power as a reasonable substitute for fossil fuel or nuclear
generation today, is like people in the time of Henry the VIII trying
to build the Hubble telescope.
lab~rat >:-)
2010-07-08 19:02:09 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 19:38:15 -0700 (PDT), "$27 TRILLION to pay for
Post by $27 TRILLION to pay for Kyoto
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
By Alejandro Reuss
We need to act on climate change because we owe future generations a
livable environment.
While we should do what is practical to avoid despoiling the
environment (that doesn't include spending hundreds of billions on
crackpot theory) we'd be better off leaving what is to the generations
that are coming because they will have superior technology to deal
with the problems than we do now. Trying to (as an example) implement
solar power as a reasonable substitute for fossil fuel or nuclear
generation today, is like people in the time of Henry the VIII trying
to build the Hubble telescope.
http://www.wind-watch.org/news/2010/06/09/whooping-cranes-a-letter-to-national-geographic/

(Letter regarding article on Whoopers appearing in National Geographic
Magazine)

Whooping Cranes – A letter to National Geographic
[ Alternate short URL for linking • HOME ]
» Translation tools are available at the bottom of the page «
Credit: Jim Wiegand


Hello, I read your recent article about the Whooping Crane population
and I would like to share some additional insight with National
Geographic.

As you well know, last year (2009) the Whooping Crane flock, lost 57
members. In Texas 23 were reported lost on their wintering grounds.
Officially some of this decline is attributed to the South Texas
drought that affected the birds’ food and water sources. I think there
is much more to this story that needs to be told. At one time there
were tens of thousands of these Whooping Cranes that wintered in
Texas. I know time has changed their habitat but a little flock of 270
should be able to find plenty food in Texas.

What is not disclosed in the article is the extreme danger propeller
style wind turbines pose to the Whooping Cranes. Thousands of these
wind turbines exist all along the whooping cranes’ 2500 mile migration
route and a new wind farm has recently been constructed in Whooping
Crane habitat south of their favorite wintering grounds at the Aransas
wildlife refuge.

It is my opinion that last year in their for search of food, some
Whooping Cranes moved onto the Kenedy Ranch and some of them perished.
In the 1930's when the Whooping Cranes were near extinction they were
still using the habitat on the Kenedy Ranch in the winter. Much of
this ranch is still intact. While it is well known that these cranes
like to eat the Blue Crabs that live in wetland areas of Texas, they
also eat may other species including frogs, mice, snakes, fish and
crawdads. It is documented that last year the shortage of crabs around
Aransas did push the cranes to ponds and grain feeders away from the
refuge. Some also could have easily made their south to the many ponds
and wet lands on the Kenedy ranch. You can check out the turbines, the
wetlands, and all the ponds by going to Google earth. I have enclosed
several images for your convenience.

Despite knowing all this, no one in government will stand up and say a
word. It is time to admit that the wind turbines are killing the
Whooping Cranes. Instead there is only talk about the threat of
collisions with transmission lines. Plain and simple, there is and has
been, a long standing cover up concerning bird mortality and the
propeller style wind turbine. It goes all the way back to Altamont
Pass and extends all the way to Washington. I have talked with high
level Government employees and I am well aware that one of the
prerequisites of being such an employee requires them to “roll over”
when asked to. If one does not want to play this game they are demoted
or railroaded.

If one were to think about all this logically the truth becomes
obvious. If you were a California Condor, a Golden Eagle or a Whooping
Crane would you rather glide into a stationary and even flexible power
line or be smashed with a several ton wind turbine blade moving at 220
mph? Transmission lines are not killing off the Red kite population in
Europe. The prop turbine is. Power lines also haven’t killed the
2000-2500 Golden Eagles that have perished at Altamont Pass. The wind
industry propaganda for all this is that house cats, cars, buildings
and windows are a greater threat to Bald Eagles, Golden Eagles,
Whooping Cranes, and other rare birds. It is fraud and it is pure
garbage. These turbines are a primary threat and killer to all birds.

Since the recent decline of the Whooping Crane population last year
there is now radar being used at the wind farm that exists in Whooping
Crane habitat on the Kenedy Ranch in Texas. If there was not an
extreme danger posed by these wind turbines, this radar system would
never be needed. If there was not an extreme danger then there would
not be great anxiety and phone calls to Tom Stehn or other biologists
when these cranes are seen near a wind farm. There would also be no
need for wind farms to have emergency plans to shut off the turbines
in the hope of avoiding a fatal collision.

I know how this industry works. These guys would never say a word
about killing an endangered species and I think there needs to be an
investigation by a credible party. Since the gulf oil spill, everyone
has been made aware of the cozy relationship between BP and the MMS.
Well there is also a corrupt relationship between the wind industry
and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service that needs to be looked at.

As it now stands, with the invasion of thousands of propeller style
wind turbines along their migration route, the future of the Whooping
Crane looks very bleak. Captive breeding programs, to offset high turn
over rates in the population, are not the answer. It is just a
Band-Aid. The only long term solution for all this is for the wind
industry to move on to the next generation of wind turbines. Wind
turbines that will provide much more power and are also not lethal.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
O N N Z Z O OBBO
2010-07-08 02:38:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
By Alejandro Reuss
We need to act on climate change because we owe future generations a
livable environment.
These days, politicians are constantly invoking the interests of "our
grandchildren" in arguments against deficit spending.
If they really care about future generations, though, they should
support legislation to rein in greenhouse gas emissions now.
No
They should support legislation to increase greenhouse gas emissions now,
so that future generations don't suffer from the coming global cooling.


Current CO2 Levels Are Way Too Low

March 9 2009



We are supposed to panic over CO2 levels of a miniscule 380 parts per
million.



"Most life, plants and animals, probably developed with CO2 levels of about
1500 ppm - 400% above current levels.



This fact is well understood by greenhouse operators who burn gas to
increase CO2 levels to at least 1,000 ppm, 260% above current atmospheric
levels.



Inside populated buildings, CO2 levels of 3,000 ppm (770% above current
levels) have been measured in homes, schools and offices with no ill
effects.



Even most Health and Safety people consider 5,000 ppm (1,300% above current
levels) to be safe.



Medical gas given to people with respiratory problems typically contains
50,000 ppm CO2 (13,000% above current levels) and our lung sacs retain about
65,000 ppm

(16,800 % above current levels).



Not until CO2 levels get to 100,000 ppm (260 times current levels) is there
any concern about human health.



"All plant life will also benefit from increased CO2, and much of the extra
food produced by the green revolution is the result of the warmer and more
carbon-rich atmosphere.



http://co2sceptics.com/news.php?id=2962





Warmest Regards



B0zn0



"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."

Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville



"It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you
have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your
side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is
wrong. Period."

Professor Richard Feynman, Nobel Laureate in Physics



"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"

"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips



"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"

http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated



Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.

Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher
Neolibertarian
2010-07-08 03:02:40 UTC
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Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
By Alejandro Reuss
We need to act on climate change because we owe future generations a
livable environment.
The problem is, there's nothing in Cap and Trade, the Kyoto Protocol, or
the New and Improved Cap and Trade (That Shall Not Be Referred To As Cap
and Trade) which would affect global temperatures by any measurable
margin.

The Copenhagen accords still haven't resulted in a treaty (or protocol).
And likely never will. And they wouldn't address temperature or CO2,
either.

Al Gore still won't debate anyone over the science, though he's been
asked, and prodded and begged since the 1/2 Inconvenient Nobel Prize.

It isn't just the East Anglia emails. It's that nothing you're proposing
could possibly help the problem you're claiming needs to be addressed.
You aren't even proposing anything that would delay the doubling of CO2
by one day.

What you've been proposing is brown outs all over the US--Wind turbines
that are so expensive in relation to the electrical power they produce
that you'll need a large, healthy oil based economy just to subsidize
them---burning food in our cars while there's 6.8 billion screaming
babies on planet earth and 350,000 new mouths born every day--and
battery power that would require a large drain on an already strained
grid.

You're not fooling anyone. You could give a snap about what we "owe
future generations." If you did, you'd be fighting these endless
"stimulus packages" that are robbing the next generation blind.

No, what the plan is is to force the US to transfer most of its $14
trillion economy to third world dictatorships.
--
Neolibertarian

"[The American People] know that we don't have deficits
because people are taxed too little; we have deficits
because big government spends too much."
---Ronald Reagan
l***@gmail.com
2010-07-09 03:47:52 UTC
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Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
We need to act on climate change because we owe future generations a
livable environment.
These days, politicians are constantly invoking the interests of “our
grandchildren” in arguments against deficit spending.
If they really care about future generations, though, they should
support legislation to rein in greenhouse gas emissions now.
Ø Greenhouse gas emissions have little or no
affect on climate and the man-made potion is
almost too small to record it
Post by Harry Hope
At least two dozen senators have referred, in Senate session this
year, to government debt as an unconscionable burden on “our
grandchildren.”
Ø The Senators are correct in their thinking
Post by Harry Hope
More than two-thirds of these same senators, however, just voted for a
Senate bill that would have stripped the Environmental Protection
Agency (EPA) of the power to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, with
no alternative in place.
Ø It is a shame that the bill did not pass. We need
more CO2 than we can produce. It will hurt us
down the line when the Polar ice starts to move
toward the Equator.
GH GAS | TOTAL | NATUR |MAN MD
———————————————————————————————
H2O Vapour | 95.000% | 94.999% |0.001%
———————————————————————————————

CO2 | 03.618% | 3.502% |0.117%
————————————
———————————————————
Methane | 0.260% | 0.294% |0.066%

———————————————————————————————
Nitrous oxide | 0.950% | 0.903% |0.047%
——————————
—————————————————————
Misc, CFC etc| 0.072% | 0.025% |0.047%
———————————————————————————————
========================================
Post by Harry Hope
The opponents of deficit spending are almost completely wrong on the
economics.
Ø FDR employed deficit spending and it delayed
recovery for several years
Post by Harry Hope
The U.S. government can borrow at very low interest rates.
Ø Jimi Carter was forced, by his stagflation, to issue
30 year bonds at 10% interest and they were not
trading at par. Shortly after inauguration Reagan,
called the 10 of ten bonds and replaced them
with 5% bonds.

With Obama running deplorable deficits his
next issue may be in 15 digits

—— ——
There are three types of people that you
can_not_talk_into_behaving_well. The
stupid, the religious fanatic, and the evil.

1- The stupid aren't smart enough to follow the
logic of what you say. You have to tell them
what is right in very simple terms. If they do
not agree, you will never be able to change
their mind.

2- The religious fanatic: If what you say goes
against their religious belief, they will cling to
that belief even if it means their death.

3- There is no way to reform evil- not in a
million years. There is no way to convince

anthropogenic_global_warming_alarmists,

terrorists, serial killers, paedophiles, and

predators to change their evil ways, They
knew what they were doing was wrong, but
knowledge didn't stop them. It only made
them more careful in how they went about
performing their evil deeds.
Post by Harry Hope
Climate change is a grave threat to future generations.
Ø The fascist organization and the fascist fool who
wrote that scurrilous article are a grave threat to
future generations
Post by Harry Hope
Climate scientists predict harms that include rising sea levels and
flooded coastal areas,
Ø That is absolute nonsense designed to panic those easily led
Post by Harry Hope
increased extreme weather events (like severe
hurricanes), and the disruption of existing ecosystems.
Ø We have been experiencing those things for at
least a decade and they presage the onset of
reglaciation.

Everything related to climate is natural and
those who pretend to believe otherwise are
either fools, charlatans or atheists. Take your
pick
Post by Harry Hope
The consensus among climate scientists firmly establishes links
Ø There is no such "consensus"
Post by Harry Hope
between our combustion of fossil fuels
Ø The so-called fossil fuels have nothing to do
with fossils and are the only infinitely
renewable energy resources

and rising atmospheric
Post by Harry Hope
concentrations of greenhouse gases, and between those rising
concentrations and climate change.
Ø Just nonsense, total nonsense
Post by Harry Hope
It would be unconscionably self-serving to ignore the science,
Ø Nonsense. There is no science that can in any
way alter the global climate

go on
Post by Harry Hope
burning fossil fuels as we have up to now,
Ø They are the cleanest, cheapest and safest fuels
and are infinitely renewable
Post by Harry Hope
One might compare climate change denial to gambling the future at a
roulette wheel when you don’t know the likelihood of merely losing
your shirt versus losing the family house.
Ø Nonsense
Post by Harry Hope
But it’s really much worse than that.
Those who won’t face up to the need for serious action now are
gambling the future not only of “our” grandchildren in this country
Ø Total nonsense. We are now in the last leg in
the 1,500 year trend toward reglaciaton. Nature
moves very slowly It could take 5,000 years for
the polar ice reaches the 50th parallel I am sure
our grandchildren will have ample time to adapt.
ø The issue is really irrelevant.
Nobody can control the wind
Nobody can control the rain or snow
Nobody (collectively) can control climate.
Global temps are within natural variations.
Oceans heating are a prelude to glaciation.


 Get used to it!!

— —
| In real science the burden of proof is always
| on the proposer, never on the skeptics. So far
| neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
| iota of valid data for global warming nor have
| they provided data that climate change is being
| effected by commerce and industry, and not by
| natural causes.
Unum
2010-07-09 05:05:42 UTC
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Post by l***@gmail.com
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
We need to act on climate change because we owe future generations a
livable environment.
These days, politicians are constantly invoking the interests of “our
grandchildren” in arguments against deficit spending.
If they really care about future generations, though, they should
support legislation to rein in greenhouse gas emissions now.
Ø Greenhouse gas emissions have little or no
affect on climate and the man-made potion is
almost too small to record it
I heard that Al Gore pays Looney Toones Leonard to post stuff like
this so as to discredit climate change denialism!
Jim Austin
2010-07-11 01:48:39 UTC
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Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
By Alejandro Reuss
Liberals envision a livable environment as a primitive society devoid
of science, technologies and industries.

<Snip> Posted article.
N***@tweet.net
2010-07-11 05:12:22 UTC
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On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Jim Austin
Post by Jim Austin
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
By Alejandro Reuss
Liberals envision a livable environment as a primitive society devoid
of science, technologies and industries.
Which conservative/loonytarian pretended to be liberal to make you
slurp that up?
Jim Austin
2010-07-16 16:20:22 UTC
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Post by N***@tweet.net
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 18:48:39 -0700 (PDT), Jim Austin
Post by Jim Austin
Post by Harry Hope
http://www.progressive.org/mpreuss070710.html
July 7, 2010
We owe future generations a livable environment
By Alejandro Reuss
Liberals envision a livable environment as a primitive society devoid
of science, technologies and industries.
Which conservative/loonytarian pretended to be liberal to make you
slurp that up?
Jean Jacques Rousseau who said that science was bad, that technology
was bad, the civilization was corrupt and that innocence is to be
found among the primitives.
C***@rightwing.com
2010-07-16 18:41:41 UTC
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On Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT), Jim Austin
Post by Jim Austin
Post by N***@tweet.net
Post by Jim Austin
Liberals envision a livable environment as a primitive society devoid
of science, technologies and industries.
Which conservative/loonytarian pretended to be liberal to make you
slurp that up?
Jean Jacques Rousseau who said that science was bad, that technology
was bad, the civilization was corrupt and that innocence is to be
found among the primitives.
WHich has got what to do with a modern, post industrial revolution,
technological, urban, global society?

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