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SMOKING GUN OF FOREKNOWLEDGE OF 911 -- Naudet's OTHER Video -- Pedestrians' Reaction
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Ed Conrad
2006-04-17 10:00:07 UTC
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There indeed a "Smoking Gun" that proves beyond ALL
reasonable doubt that there was a government conspiracy
responsible for the horror of 911 -- and the horrific aftermath
of the on-going war in Iraq..
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It is the "SECOND" Naudet Brothers' video taken when the first
WTC tower exploded (PLEASE note that I'm not referring to their
first video when they allegedly caught the first plane supposedly
commandeered by "terrorists" flying into the first tower.)
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That video, incidentally, is as phony as a $4 bill, having a plane
superimposed onto the video in the hours after it was taken
and before it was telecast to the world. .
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But the SECOND video taken at the time the first tower exploded
is proof of FOREKNOWLEDGE -- confirming, beyond all reasonable
doubt, that the Naudets' were stooges in the 911 conspiracy.
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The video in question, showing crowd reaction to the first
explosion, is this one:
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http://www.911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
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Meanwhile, If there is any New Yorker who actually saw American
Airlines Flight 11 IN FLIGHT before striking the first tower, stand up
and be heard. I maintain no plane struck the first tower.

All anyone can say -- in all honesty -- is that they HEARD
the explosion, looked up and ASSUMED a plane had hit the first
tower because there was none, neither a missile. The explosion
was caused by explosives stockpiled inside.
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The Naudet Brothers' video, showing a plane striking the tower,
was supposed to convince us that this IS what happened.
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True, the roar of a low-flying plane can be heard in the video
just before the imaginary plane hit, but inserting such a roar
into a video would be child's play to someone with expertise.
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This SECOND video is self-explanatory (read the accompanying
URL text), and there was no reason in the world to have taken it
unless it was an attempt to provide more fraudulent "evidence"
that a plane had hit the first tower.
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This SECOND Naudet video was just one of a series of comedic
errors in the whole 911 shenanigans.
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They include -- the phony cell phone calls, the Pentagon fiasco, the
bogus Osama bin Laden video in which he confesses to masterminding
911, etc.
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They were all propaganda to convince the American public that 19
terrorists (at least a half-dozen still alive) were responsible for
911, thus opening wide the door for the invasion of Afghanistan and
Iraq.
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If the conspirators had any common sense, the "SECOND" Naudet
video of the pedestrians would NEVER have seen the light of day.
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I don't know the full name of the person who deserves credit for
providing the URL of "pedestrian reaction." But, whomever it was --
his first name is Ray -- deserves a sincere thank you.
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I MIGHT ADD -- On Sept. 11, 2001 -- 911-- radio and TV news in
the Russia reported that one of its satellites revealed that a U.S.
military jet shot down United Flight 175 (near Shanksville, Pa.)
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Freedom Fighter
2006-04-17 23:28:39 UTC
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I smell propaganda and disinformation here - a ridiculous assertion that no
plane struck the first tower, though one DID strike the second to be hit.
Frankly, this seems to be an attempt to make 9/11 truth-seekers look like
the "kooks" that trolls and official-story shills smear them as being.

The REAL smoking guns are the demolition explosives collapse of building 7,
and the total failure of NORAD to intercept even ONE of the FOUR subsonic
jets on courses towards known terrorist targets.

9/11 was an INSIDE JOB - and HERE IS THE PROOF:

The deliberate demolition by explosives of WTC building 7, just
hours after the collapse of the twin towers, is a matter of record,
not one requiring proof. The planes that struck the towers did not
structurally damage building 7. No steel frame building has EVER
collapsed from even a serious fire, and the fires in building 7
were limited, not extensive. Videos show the collapse began with
the roof penthouse, though the fires were only on a few of the
lower floors. These probably were the result of arson, as falling debris
from the towers would have only ignited the roof and upper floors.

See documentation at http://www.wtc7.net/
and http://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html

Strangely, the 9/11 Commission's final report IGNORED building 7
entirely!

Explosive demolitions take considerable time to set up (see
http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm). The
explosives could not possibly have been properly placed around the
structural supports and wired for detonation in building 7 in the
few hours between the attacks and that building's collapse. Yet
that collapse was clearly a professionally executed demolition by
explosives.

Therefore -
THE DEMOLITION EXPLOSIVES IN BUILDING 7 WERE PUT IN
PLACE PRIOR TO THE PLANES IMPACTING THE TWIN TOWERS!

Therefore -
The 9/11 attacks were KNOWN OF IN ADVANCE, and DELIBERATELY
ALLOWED TO OCCUR! It was intended beforehand that building 7 and
the twin towers all be completely destroyed, KILLING THE THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE REMAINING IN THEM!

The above documented facts alone do not rigorously prove that
previously placed explosives likewise brought down the twin towers,
but see the following:

A paper published by Steven E. Jones, Professor of Physics, Brigham
Young University, concludes that prepositioned demolition
explosives brought down all three collapsed WTC buildings, not the
plane impacts or fires. Photos, audio, and video clips accompany
this report. You can see this at
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html

Further evidence can be found at:
http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm
This author has a master's degree in Engineering from Stanford
University, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of
Oregon.

Many human body fragments have been found on the roofs of nearby buildings.
These were too far away for jumpers from the towers to have landed on them.
If the towers simply collapsed from damage and fire, what blew these bodies
to bits and sent the fragments flying for considerable distances?

Two unexplained "spikes" in seismic records indicate huge bursts of
energy shook the ground beneath the twin towers immediately prior
to their collapse.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic.html

In addition, the total failure of our sophisticated NORAD aerospace
defense system to intercept even one of the four "hijacked" jets in
subsonic flight for hours, towards known terrorist targets, can
only be explained as deliberate.

Many deniers of these unprecedented crimes of mass murder are
simply psychologically incapable of considering them possible.
Misled by the corporate/government-controlled media, deceived by an
elaborate cover-up, and indoctrinated with a perverted sense of
"patriotism," they are under the delusion that only barbaric
foreign terrorists could commit such inhuman atrocities. But
foreign terrorists could not have planted demolition explosives in
advance. HOMELAND TERRORISTS had to do that! The implications of
this are literally unthinkable to many, which is just what the evil
perpetrators of this crime against humanity are counting on.

Given the shock and horror, the massive death and destruction of
these events, irrational denial is understandable. History reveals
despicable acts of terror by unscrupulous powers in the USSR,
Germany, China, and elsewhere. Why would this evil side of human
nature not surface here in America?

Overcoming denial and exposing the truth is the only hope for
saving us from a fascist regime of vicious killers as bad as the
Nazis ever were. Should we wait to find out if they can be even
worse?

CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE.
DEMAND A NEW AND INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THIS
CRIME OF THE CENTURY!

More 9/11 documentation:
http://www.st911.org/
http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/
http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html
http://www.septembereleventh.org/audio.php
http://911busters.com/SanFran04/index.html
http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=gallery
http://www.reopen911.org/
http://www.911truth.org/
http://www.911truthseekers.org/
http://www.911truthseekers.org/modules/news/
http://www.gnn.tv/
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf
http://www.911studies.com/index.html
http://www.septembereleventh.org/index.php
http://infowars.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.mujca.com/index.htm
http://proliberty.com/observer/20051213.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://911review.com/
http://guardian.250free.com/wtc/dust-cloud.htm
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html
Animal
2006-04-17 23:55:11 UTC
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Post by Freedom Fighter
I smell propaganda and disinformation here - a ridiculous assertion that no
plane struck the first tower, though one DID strike the second to be hit.
Frankly, this seems to be an attempt to make 9/11 truth-seekers look like
the "kooks" that trolls and official-story shills smear them as being.
The smell is from having you head stuck up your ass for so long.
Post by Freedom Fighter
The REAL smoking guns are the demolition explosives collapse of building 7,
and the total failure of NORAD to intercept even ONE of the FOUR subsonic
jets on courses towards known terrorist targets.
No smoking gun, just kook urban myths.
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Vandar
2006-04-18 00:18:42 UTC
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Post by Freedom Fighter
I smell propaganda and disinformation here - a ridiculous assertion that no
plane struck the first tower, though one DID strike the second to be hit.
Frankly, this seems to be an attempt to make 9/11 truth-seekers look like
the "kooks" that trolls and official-story shills smear them as being.
The self-proclaimed "truth-seekers" do a fine enough job of that
themselves, as you so willingly demonstrate every time you post the
diatribe below.
Post by Freedom Fighter
The REAL smoking guns are the demolition explosives collapse of building 7,
and the total failure of NORAD to intercept even ONE of the FOUR subsonic
jets on courses towards known terrorist targets.
The deliberate demolition by explosives of WTC building 7, just
hours after the collapse of the twin towers, is a matter of record,
not one requiring proof. The planes that struck the towers did not
structurally damage building 7. No steel frame building has EVER
collapsed from even a serious fire, and the fires in building 7
were limited, not extensive. Videos show the collapse began with
the roof penthouse, though the fires were only on a few of the
lower floors. These probably were the result of arson, as falling debris
from the towers would have only ignited the roof and upper floors.
See documentation at http://www.wtc7.net/
and http://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html
Strangely, the 9/11 Commission's final report IGNORED building 7
entirely!
Explosive demolitions take considerable time to set up (see
http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm). The
explosives could not possibly have been properly placed around the
structural supports and wired for detonation in building 7 in the
few hours between the attacks and that building's collapse. Yet
that collapse was clearly a professionally executed demolition by
explosives.
Therefore -
THE DEMOLITION EXPLOSIVES IN BUILDING 7 WERE PUT IN
PLACE PRIOR TO THE PLANES IMPACTING THE TWIN TOWERS!
Therefore -
The 9/11 attacks were KNOWN OF IN ADVANCE, and DELIBERATELY
ALLOWED TO OCCUR! It was intended beforehand that building 7 and
the twin towers all be completely destroyed, KILLING THE THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE REMAINING IN THEM!
The above documented facts alone do not rigorously prove that
previously placed explosives likewise brought down the twin towers,
A paper published by Steven E. Jones, Professor of Physics, Brigham
Young University, concludes that prepositioned demolition
explosives brought down all three collapsed WTC buildings, not the
plane impacts or fires. Photos, audio, and video clips accompany
this report. You can see this at
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm
This author has a master's degree in Engineering from Stanford
University, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of
Oregon.
Many human body fragments have been found on the roofs of nearby buildings.
These were too far away for jumpers from the towers to have landed on them.
If the towers simply collapsed from damage and fire, what blew these bodies
to bits and sent the fragments flying for considerable distances?
Two unexplained "spikes" in seismic records indicate huge bursts of
energy shook the ground beneath the twin towers immediately prior
to their collapse.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic.html
In addition, the total failure of our sophisticated NORAD aerospace
defense system to intercept even one of the four "hijacked" jets in
subsonic flight for hours, towards known terrorist targets, can
only be explained as deliberate.
Many deniers of these unprecedented crimes of mass murder are
simply psychologically incapable of considering them possible.
Misled by the corporate/government-controlled media, deceived by an
elaborate cover-up, and indoctrinated with a perverted sense of
"patriotism," they are under the delusion that only barbaric
foreign terrorists could commit such inhuman atrocities. But
foreign terrorists could not have planted demolition explosives in
advance. HOMELAND TERRORISTS had to do that! The implications of
this are literally unthinkable to many, which is just what the evil
perpetrators of this crime against humanity are counting on.
Given the shock and horror, the massive death and destruction of
these events, irrational denial is understandable. History reveals
despicable acts of terror by unscrupulous powers in the USSR,
Germany, China, and elsewhere. Why would this evil side of human
nature not surface here in America?
Overcoming denial and exposing the truth is the only hope for
saving us from a fascist regime of vicious killers as bad as the
Nazis ever were. Should we wait to find out if they can be even
worse?
CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE.
DEMAND A NEW AND INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THIS
CRIME OF THE CENTURY!
http://www.st911.org/
http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/
http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html
http://www.septembereleventh.org/audio.php
http://911busters.com/SanFran04/index.html
http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=gallery
http://www.reopen911.org/
http://www.911truth.org/
http://www.911truthseekers.org/
http://www.911truthseekers.org/modules/news/
http://www.gnn.tv/
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf
http://www.911studies.com/index.html
http://www.septembereleventh.org/index.php
http://infowars.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.mujca.com/index.htm
http://proliberty.com/observer/20051213.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://911review.com/
http://guardian.250free.com/wtc/dust-cloud.htm
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html
dudalb
2006-04-18 03:17:26 UTC
Permalink
The 9/11 conspiracy kooks are giving those of us who despise The Bush
administration a bad name.
Vandar
2006-04-18 03:36:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by dudalb
The 9/11 conspiracy kooks are giving those of us who despise The Bush
administration a bad name.
I've said it before: There a lot of perfectly legitimate reasons to take
this administration to task. Those who proclaim themselves part of some
"9/11 truth movement" help the administration avoid being taken to task.
Jay Grymyr
2006-04-18 03:30:31 UTC
Permalink
They didn't manufacture WMDs for us to find in Iraq.

Oh, sorry. Not the proof you're looking for.

Try this: Donald Rumsfeld staged the fake moon landing so he could wipe
out the black population with AIDS. There, that's more your speed.

Reaper "Just because you don't like Bush doesn't mean you can't live in
the real world" G
http://www.giantmonstermovies.com
BDK
2006-04-18 08:37:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Freedom Fighter
I smell propaganda and disinformation here - a ridiculous assertion that no
plane struck the first tower, though one DID strike the second to be hit.
Frankly, this seems to be an attempt to make 9/11 truth-seekers look like
the "kooks" that trolls and official-story shills smear them as being.
Well, sometimes it's just the truth hurting..
Post by Freedom Fighter
The REAL smoking guns are the demolition explosives collapse of building 7,
and the total failure of NORAD to intercept even ONE of the FOUR subsonic
jets on courses towards known terrorist targets.
Here we go again...
Post by Freedom Fighter
The deliberate demolition by explosives of WTC building 7, just
hours after the collapse of the twin towers, is a matter of record,
not one requiring proof. The planes that struck the towers did not
structurally damage building 7. No steel frame building has EVER
collapsed from even a serious fire, and the fires in building 7
were limited, not extensive. Videos show the collapse began with
the roof penthouse, though the fires were only on a few of the
lower floors. These probably were the result of arson, as falling debris
from the towers would have only ignited the roof and upper floors.
See documentation at http://www.wtc7.net/
and http://www.prisonplanet.com/012004watson.html
Strangely, the 9/11 Commission's final report IGNORED building 7
entirely!
Explosive demolitions take considerable time to set up (see
http://science.howstuffworks.com/building-implosion1.htm). The
explosives could not possibly have been properly placed around the
structural supports and wired for detonation in building 7 in the
few hours between the attacks and that building's collapse. Yet
that collapse was clearly a professionally executed demolition by
explosives.
Therefore -
THE DEMOLITION EXPLOSIVES IN BUILDING 7 WERE PUT IN
PLACE PRIOR TO THE PLANES IMPACTING THE TWIN TOWERS!
Therefore -
The 9/11 attacks were KNOWN OF IN ADVANCE, and DELIBERATELY
ALLOWED TO OCCUR! It was intended beforehand that building 7 and
the twin towers all be completely destroyed, KILLING THE THOUSANDS
OF PEOPLE REMAINING IN THEM!
The above documented facts alone do not rigorously prove that
previously placed explosives likewise brought down the twin towers,
A paper published by Steven E. Jones, Professor of Physics, Brigham
Young University, concludes that prepositioned demolition
explosives brought down all three collapsed WTC buildings, not the
plane impacts or fires. Photos, audio, and video clips accompany
this report. You can see this at
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
Jones again, you can't do better? Like a real expert in something having
to do with maybe....building construction?

No, I didn't think so..
Post by Freedom Fighter
http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcontrolleddemolitionatwtc.htm
This author has a master's degree in Engineering from Stanford
University, and a Ph.D. in Psychology from the University of
Oregon.
Many human body fragments have been found on the roofs of nearby buildings.
These were too far away for jumpers from the towers to have landed on them.
If the towers simply collapsed from damage and fire, what blew these bodies
to bits and sent the fragments flying for considerable distances?
Two unexplained "spikes" in seismic records indicate huge bursts of
energy shook the ground beneath the twin towers immediately prior
to their collapse.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/09_03_02/NEW_SEISMIC_/new_seismic.html
Jeezus, you really can't be this stupid. You can't think of another
reason that there might be seismic activity?

Probably not, but most of the rest of us can, and it actually makes
sense.
Post by Freedom Fighter
In addition, the total failure of our sophisticated NORAD aerospace
defense system to intercept even one of the four "hijacked" jets in
subsonic flight for hours, towards known terrorist targets, can
only be explained as deliberate.
Many deniers of these unprecedented crimes of mass murder are
simply psychologically incapable of considering them possible.
Misled by the corporate/government-controlled media, deceived by an
elaborate cover-up, and indoctrinated with a perverted sense of
"patriotism," they are under the delusion that only barbaric
foreign terrorists could commit such inhuman atrocities. But
foreign terrorists could not have planted demolition explosives in
advance. HOMELAND TERRORISTS had to do that! The implications of
this are literally unthinkable to many, which is just what the evil
perpetrators of this crime against humanity are counting on.
It's not that we can't consider them possible, it's just that your
scenarios ARE impossible.
Post by Freedom Fighter
Given the shock and horror, the massive death and destruction of
these events, irrational denial is understandable. History reveals
despicable acts of terror by unscrupulous powers in the USSR,
Germany, China, and elsewhere. Why would this evil side of human
nature not surface here in America?
You are the poster boy for irrational.
Post by Freedom Fighter
Overcoming denial and exposing the truth is the only hope for
saving us from a fascist regime of vicious killers as bad as the
Nazis ever were. Should we wait to find out if they can be even
worse?
CONTACT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE.
DEMAND A NEW AND INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THIS
CRIME OF THE CENTURY!
http://www.st911.org/
http://www.septembereleventh.org/kc/multimedia/
http://911busters.com/911-Commission.html
http://www.septembereleventh.org/audio.php
http://911busters.com/SanFran04/index.html
http://www.911truth.org/index.php?topic=gallery
http://www.reopen911.org/
http://www.911truth.org/
http://www.911truthseekers.org/
http://www.911truthseekers.org/modules/news/
http://www.gnn.tv/
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_apc.pdf
http://www.911studies.com/index.html
http://www.septembereleventh.org/index.php
http://infowars.com/
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.mujca.com/index.htm
http://proliberty.com/observer/20051213.htm
http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html
http://911review.com/
http://guardian.250free.com/wtc/dust-cloud.htm
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2001/t11182001_t1012pm.html
Ed Conrad and Freedumb Flunky, what a pair of investigators...

BDK
Bob Cain
2006-04-27 09:22:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Ed Conrad
Meanwhile, If there is any New Yorker who actually saw American
Airlines Flight 11 IN FLIGHT before striking the first tower, stand up
and be heard. I maintain no plane struck the first tower.
My (then) 30 year old daughter saw the 1st plane coming in and saw it do
corrective maneuvers to make the hit. It still haunts her awake or
asleep. You are a harmful moron and should simply disappear.


Bob
--
"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no simpler."

A. Einstein
mellstrrr
2006-04-30 15:18:57 UTC
Permalink
Loading Image...
It looks like an enlarged, blurred frame showing the impact of flight
11 into the WTC.
Flight 11 never took off.
That's a lie
Are you sure?
As recently as last year the Bureau
of Transportation Statistics was still saying Flight 11 hadn't even
been scheduled.
http://www.bringemon.org/cgi-bin/bringemon.cgi?noframes;read=3484
Oh please. A crappy website making unsubstantiated claims vs. the known
facts.
Look closer at the website. It claims this link's authors "was still
saying Flight 11 hadn't even been scheduled".

http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/

Can you demonstrate more specifically that "rcu" is lying when he says
"Flight 11 never took off"?


("known facts"...<chuckle>....)

<snip>
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Vandar
2006-04-30 15:46:46 UTC
Permalink
Post by mellstrrr
http://thewebfairy.com/911/flyingpig/flashframe.jpg
It looks like an enlarged, blurred frame showing the impact of flight
11 into the WTC.
Flight 11 never took off.
That's a lie
Are you sure?
Yes.
Post by mellstrrr
As recently as last year the Bureau
of Transportation Statistics was still saying Flight 11 hadn't even
been scheduled.
http://www.bringemon.org/cgi-bin/bringemon.cgi?noframes;read=3484
Oh please. A crappy website making unsubstantiated claims vs. the
known facts.
Look closer at the website. It claims this link's authors "was still
saying Flight 11 hadn't even been scheduled".
http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/
Can you demonstrate more specifically that "rcu" is lying when he says
"Flight 11 never took off"?
From the BTS database:
"On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United
Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, on-time
statistics are not available for these flights."
mellstrrr
2006-04-30 17:09:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
Flight 11 never took off.
That's a lie
Are you sure?
Yes.
Cite?
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
As recently as last year the Bureau
of Transportation Statistics was still saying Flight 11 hadn't even
been scheduled.
http://www.bringemon.org/cgi-bin/bringemon.cgi?noframes;read=3484
Oh please. A crappy website making unsubstantiated claims vs. the
known facts.
Look closer at the website. It claims this link's authors "was still
saying Flight 11 hadn't even been scheduled".
http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/
Can you demonstrate more specifically that "rcu" is lying when he
says "Flight 11 never took off"?
"On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United
Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, on-time
statistics are not available for these flights."
Cite your link that shows BTS' quote above about "on time stats", please.

While you're at it, please answer the actual question, which was "Can you
demonstratethat "rcu" is lying when he says "flight 11 never took off"?"

You still haven't learned how to be specific, have you?
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Vandar
2006-04-30 18:01:13 UTC
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Post by mellstrrr
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
Flight 11 never took off.
That's a lie
Are you sure?
Yes.
Cite?
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
As recently as last year the Bureau
of Transportation Statistics was still saying Flight 11 hadn't even
been scheduled.
http://www.bringemon.org/cgi-bin/bringemon.cgi?noframes;read=3484
Oh please. A crappy website making unsubstantiated claims vs. the
known facts.
Look closer at the website. It claims this link's authors "was
still saying Flight 11 hadn't even been scheduled".
http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/
Can you demonstrate more specifically that "rcu" is lying when he
says "Flight 11 never took off"?
"On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and
United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore,
on-time statistics are not available for these flights."
Cite your link that shows BTS' quote above about "on time stats", please.
From the link you provided, step through the process of selecting a
flight from 9/11. It's at the top of the results page.
Post by mellstrrr
While you're at it, please answer the actual question, which was "Can
you demonstratethat "rcu" is lying when he says "flight 11 never took
off"?"
You still haven't learned how to be specific, have you?
Why is that you keep demanding that people prove every ridiculous claim
about 9/11 is false? An intelligent person demands proof that they are true?

Say I claim that 9/11 was perpetrated by school children in Zimbabwe.
Can you demonstrate that is not true?
mellstrrr
2006-05-01 15:06:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
Flight 11 never took off.
That's a lie
Are you sure?
Yes.
Cite?
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
As recently as last year the Bureau
of Transportation Statistics was still saying Flight 11 hadn't even
been scheduled.
http://www.bringemon.org/cgi-bin/bringemon.cgi?noframes;read=3484
Oh please. A crappy website making unsubstantiated claims vs. the
known facts.
"known facts" (laughing) Nobody puts those two words together quite like
you do, 'vandar'
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
Look closer at the website. It claims this link's authors "was
still saying Flight 11 hadn't even been scheduled".
http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/
Can you demonstrate more specifically that "rcu" is lying when he
says "Flight 11 never took off"?
"On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and United
Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore, on-time
statistics are not available for these flights."
Cite your link that shows BTS' quote above about "on time stats", please.

While you're at it, please answer the actual question, which was "Can you
demonstratethat "rcu" is lying when he says "flight 11 never took off"?"

You still haven't learned how to be specific, have you?
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mellstrrr
2006-05-01 18:41:56 UTC
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Post by mellstrrr
While you're at it, please answer the actual question, which was "Can
you demonstratethat "rcu" is lying when he says "flight 11 never took
off"?"
By the way, AA77 never took off either
Well, that's nice, but for the sake of discussion, let's keep it limited
to Flight 11. How do you know for a fact that it never took off?

You'll need to be more specific.
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mellstrrr
2006-05-01 20:19:19 UTC
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By the way, AA77 never took off either, according to that same
BTS database.
How do you know for a fact that [AA11] never took off?
What I said was, THE BTS DATABASE SAYS it never took off.
If you want to be credible, then please post the link for that quote. Your
post indicated it--back it up.
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mellstrrr
2006-05-05 01:43:08 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the database
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.

<chuckle>

hey, 'agent'--ya wanna buy a bridge?
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mellstrrr
2006-05-05 11:51:01 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the database
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.

<chuckle>

hey, 'agent'--ya wanna buy a bridge?
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mellstrrr
2006-05-05 16:10:17 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the database
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly, some
was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.

LOLOLOL!
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mellstrrr
2006-05-06 14:50:02 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.

Why should anyone believe you, 'agent'?
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mellstrrr
2006-05-07 14:15:22 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.

Why should anyone believe you, 'agent'?
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Clay
2006-05-05 12:21:27 UTC
Permalink
mellstrrr has serious mental problems:

KOO-KOO, KOO-KOO, KOO-KOO.

-C-
mellstrrr
2006-05-08 11:44:03 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the database
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.

Why should anyone believe anything that spews from you, 'agent'?
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mellstrrr
2006-05-11 01:23:00 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the database
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.


Why should anyone believe anything that spews from you, 'agent'?
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mellstrrr
2006-05-25 01:37:12 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the database
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.


Why should anyone believe anything that spews from you, 'agent'?
mellstrrr
2006-05-25 01:37:14 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the database
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.


Why should anyone believe anything that spews from you, 'agent'?
mellstrrr
2006-05-25 01:37:13 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the database
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.


Why should anyone believe anything that spews from you, 'agent'?
mellstrrr
2006-05-26 01:07:52 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.


LOLOLOL! You fucking con-artist....
mellstrrr
2006-05-26 11:31:48 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed,
cancelled, diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.


LOLOLOL! You fucking lying con-artist...
mellstrrr
2006-05-26 21:42:24 UTC
Permalink
WASHINGTON - Time magazine must give I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby drafts of
articles so the former White House aide can use them to defend himself
against perjury and other charges in the
CIA leak case, a federal judge ruled Friday.

U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton limited the scope of subpoenas that
Libby's lawyers had aimed at Time, NBC News and The New York Times for
e-mails, notes, drafts of articles and other information.

But in a 40-page ruling, Walton rejected the news organizations' argument
that they have a broad right to refuse to provide such information in
criminal cases.

Libby, 55, Vice President
Dick Cheney's former chief of staff, is charged with perjury and
obstruction of justice. He is accused of lying to the
FBI and a federal grand jury about how he learned about CIA officer
Valerie Plame and what he subsequently told reporters about her.

Walton said The New York Times might have to turn over drafts of articles
and other information during Libby's trial if former Times reporter Judith
Miller contradicts her previous statements about the case when she
testifies as a government witness.

The judge ruled that Miller doesn't have to surrender two notebooks, her
phone records or appointment calendars because the materials aren't
relevant to Libby's defense.

NBC News also does not have to give Libby's defense team one page of
undated notes taken by correspondent Andrea Mitchell because Walton said
she is unlikely to testify at Libby's trial, which is set for January.

In granting in part and denying in part the media's challenges to Libby's
subpoenas, Walton wrote, "The First Amendment does not protect a news
reporter or that reporter's news organization from producing documents ...
in a criminal case."

The news organizations indicated they are not likely to appeal the ruling.

Catherine Mathis, a spokeswoman for The Times, said the newspaper is
"gratified" that Walton did not order it to give Libby editorial materials.

Walton said Time magazine must turn over drafts of first-person stories
that reporter Matthew Cooper wrote about his conversations with Libby
because the judge found inconsistencies between them.

All of the news organizations had asked Walton to review the materials
sought by Libby's lawyers in hopes of convincing him that the information
was not relevant and that the defense was on a "fishing expedition."

During that review, Walton said, he found "a slight alteration between the
several drafts of the articles" Cooper wrote about his conversations with
Libby and the reporter's first-person account of his testimony before a
federal grand jury.

"This slight alteration between the drafts will permit the defendant to
impeach Cooper, regardless of the substance of his trial testimony,
because his trial testimony cannot be consistent with both versions,"
Walton wrote.

A person familiar with Cooper's drafts described the inconsistencies as
"trivial." The person spoke on condition of anonymity because Walton has
warned the case's participants against talking to reporters.

Several news organizations wrote about Plame after syndicated columnist
Robert Novak named her in a column on July 14, 2003. Novak's column
appeared eight days after Plame's husband, former U.S. Ambassador Joseph
Wilson, alleged in an opinion piece in The New York Times that the
administration had twisted prewar intelligence on
Iraq to justify going to war.

The CIA had sent Wilson to Niger in early 2002 to determine whether there
was any truth to reports that
Saddam Hussein's government had tried to buy yellowcake uranium from Niger
to make a nuclear weapon. Wilson discounted the reports. But the
allegation nevertheless wound up in
President Bush's 2003 State of the Union address.

Libby's indictment grew out of conversations he had with Cooper, Miller
and NBC's Tim Russert in June and July 2003, a two-month period in which
the White House, according to Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, was
mounting a campaign to undermine Wilson's allegations about the Iraq war.

The key to Libby's defense is whose memory of those conversations is
correct — Libby's or those of the three reporters.

Walton said Cooper, Miller and Russert are central to the government's
case and challenging their recollections will be "critical to the defense"

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060526/ap_on_go_ot/cia_leak;_ylt=Ag17FuyCpL4wOJ8SGHycXSqs0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--
mellstrrr
2006-05-26 21:44:54 UTC
Permalink
Aaron Russo’s AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
To Open Across America July 28


CANNES, FRANCE – Aaron Russo’s incendiary political documentary which
exposes many of the governmental organizations and entities that have
abridged the freedoms of U.S. citizens had its international premiere at
Cannes and won a standing ovation. The event, which was held on the beach
and filled to capacity, was open to the public and drew a crowd of people
who stood along the boardwalk to watch the film.


Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, as well the former IRS
Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents, tax attorneys and authors, Russo
proves conclusively that there is no law requiring citizens to pay a
direct tax on their labor. His film connects the dots between money
creation, federal income tax, voter fraud, the national identity card
(which becomes law in May 2008) and the implementation of Radio Frequency
Identification (RFID) technology to track citizens. Neither left nor
right-wing in perspective, the film concludes that the U.S. government is
taking on the characteristics of a police state. Doc will open on multiple
screens in cities across the U.S. beginning July 28.


The international audience at Cannes as well as the European media has
been fascinated by Russo’s fiery diatribe against the direction America is
heading. The discussion that followed the preview lasted for thirty
minutes. Actor Nick Nolte, in Cannes for the premiere of “Over The Hedge,”
joined Russo during the event. “The information in this film is something
everybody has to know”, said Nolte, who was the lead actor in “Teachers,”
a film produced by Russo.

Russo, who is best known as the producer of feature films including “The
Rose” with Bette Midler and “Trading Places” with Eddie Murphy and Dan
Aykroyd, wrote, produced, and directed the doc. “I am disgusted by the
direction America was heading,” says Russo. “I made this movie because I
want to live in a free country and I want my kids and grandkids to live in
a free country. The American people must abandon the myth that America is
still the land of liberty that it once was.”


Russo’s doc already has a tremendous grass root groundswell behind it. The
film has previewed in over twenty-five cities with sold out theatres and
standing ovations. The website, www.freedomtofascism.com has been had over
five hundred thousand (500,000) streams of the video trailer.
Additionally, through the website and from grassroots screenings, over
$100,000 in non-deductible donations has been collected to help with the
theatrical release.


ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION COMPANY: Cinema Libre Studio, a full-service
mini-studio that offers production, co-production, distribution
(theatrical and home entertainment), foreign sales, marketing and
post-production services, is best known for producing and distributing
provocative independent titles in that include "Outfoxed," "Uncovered: The
War On Iraq," Tim Robbins' "Embedded Live" and currently in U.S. theatres,
"Giuliani Time," For more information visit www.cinemalibrestudio.com

Link to movie trailers and article found here:

http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/842/default.aspx
mellstrrr
2006-05-29 19:01:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by mellstrrr
Aaron Russo’s AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
To Open Across America July 28
CANNES, FRANCE – Aaron Russo’s incendiary political documentary which
exposes many of the governmental organizations and entities that have
abridged the freedoms of U.S. citizens had its international premiere at
Cannes and won a standing ovation. The event, which was held on the
beach and filled to capacity, was open to the public and drew a crowd of
people who stood along the boardwalk to watch the film.
Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, as well the former IRS
Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents, tax attorneys and authors,
Russo proves conclusively that there is no law requiring citizens to pay
a direct tax on their labor. His film connects the dots between money
creation, federal income tax, voter fraud, the national identity card
(which becomes law in May 2008) and the implementation of Radio
Frequency Identification (RFID) technology to track citizens. Neither
left nor right-wing in perspective, the film concludes that the U.S.
government is taking on the characteristics of a police state. Doc will
open on multiple screens in cities across the U.S. beginning July 28.
The international audience at Cannes as well as the European media has
been fascinated by Russo’s fiery diatribe against the direction America
is heading. The discussion that followed the preview lasted for thirty
minutes. Actor Nick Nolte, in Cannes for the premiere of “Over The
Hedge,” joined Russo during the event. “The information in this film is
something everybody has to know”, said Nolte, who was the lead actor in
“Teachers,” a film produced by Russo.
Russo, who is best known as the producer of feature films including
“The Rose” with Bette Midler and “Trading Places” with Eddie Murphy and
Dan Aykroyd, wrote, produced, and directed the doc. “I am disgusted by
the direction America was heading,” says Russo. “I made this movie
because I want to live in a free country and I want my kids and
grandkids to live in a free country. The American people must abandon
the myth that America is still the land of liberty that it once was.”
Russo’s doc already has a tremendous grass root groundswell behind it.
The film has previewed in over twenty-five cities with sold out theatres
and standing ovations. The website, www.freedomtofascism.com has been
had over five hundred thousand (500,000) streams of the video trailer.
Additionally, through the website and from grassroots screenings, over
$100,000 in non-deductible donations has been collected to help with the
theatrical release.
ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION COMPANY: Cinema Libre Studio, a full-service
mini-studio that offers production, co-production, distribution
(theatrical and home entertainment), foreign sales, marketing and
post-production services, is best known for producing and distributing
The War On Iraq," Tim Robbins' "Embedded Live" and currently in U.S.
theatres, "Giuliani Time," For more information visit
www.cinemalibrestudio.com
http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/842/default.aspx
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click these links and scare the shit out of a shillfly:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
mellstrrr
2006-06-04 20:51:23 UTC
Permalink
Post by mellstrrr
Aaron Russo’s AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
To Open Across America July 28
CANNES, FRANCE – Aaron Russo’s incendiary political documentary which
exposes many of the governmental organizations and entities that have
abridged the freedoms of U.S. citizens had its international premiere
at Cannes and won a standing ovation. The event, which was held on the
beach and filled to capacity, was open to the public and drew a crowd
of people who stood along the boardwalk to watch the film.
Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, as well the former IRS
Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents, tax attorneys and authors,
Russo proves conclusively that there is no law requiring citizens to
pay a direct tax on their labor. His film connects the dots between
money creation, federal income tax, voter fraud, the national identity
card (which becomes law in May 2008) and the implementation of Radio
Frequency Identification (RFID) technology to track citizens. Neither
left nor right-wing in perspective, the film concludes that the U.S.
government is taking on the characteristics of a police state. Doc will
open on multiple screens in cities across the U.S. beginning July 28.
The international audience at Cannes as well as the European media has
been fascinated by Russo’s fiery diatribe against the direction America
is heading. The discussion that followed the preview lasted for thirty
minutes. Actor Nick Nolte, in Cannes for the premiere of “Over The
Hedge,” joined Russo during the event. “The information in this film is
something everybody has to know”, said Nolte, who was the lead actor in
“Teachers,” a film produced by Russo.
Russo, who is best known as the producer of feature films including
“The Rose” with Bette Midler and “Trading Places” with Eddie Murphy and
Dan Aykroyd, wrote, produced, and directed the doc. “I am disgusted by
the direction America was heading,” says Russo. “I made this movie
because I want to live in a free country and I want my kids and
grandkids to live in a free country. The American people must abandon
the myth that America is still the land of liberty that it once was.”
Russo’s doc already has a tremendous grass root groundswell behind it.
The film has previewed in over twenty-five cities with sold out
theatres and standing ovations. The website, www.freedomtofascism.com
has been had over five hundred thousand (500,000) streams of the video
trailer. Additionally, through the website and from grassroots
screenings, over $100,000 in non-deductible donations has been
collected to help with the theatrical release.
ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION COMPANY: Cinema Libre Studio, a full-service
mini-studio that offers production, co-production, distribution
(theatrical and home entertainment), foreign sales, marketing and
post-production services, is best known for producing and distributing
The War On Iraq," Tim Robbins' "Embedded Live" and currently in U.S.
theatres, "Giuliani Time," For more information visit
www.cinemalibrestudio.com
http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/842/default.aspx
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click these links and scare the shit out of a shillfly:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
mellstrrr
2006-06-04 20:57:18 UTC
Permalink
Insane fuckers...

"Unilateral Military Action Is ‘On The Table'"


... with other people's kids.

A reminder of the facts...

1. Iran, as signator to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, has a legal
right to build nuclear power stations and to make fuel rods for those
power stations.

2. The US, as signator to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, is
obligated to recognize Iran's legal right to build nuclear power stations
and to make fuel rods for those power stations.

3. In 20 years of inspections, nobody has found any evidence that Iran is
doing anything other than building nuclear power stations and making fuel
rods for those power stations.

Those are the facts.
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click these links and scare the shit out of a shillfly:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
laura bush - VEHICULAR HOMICIDE
2006-06-05 02:22:33 UTC
Permalink
On Sun, 04 Jun 2006 16:57:18 -0400, mellstrrr
Post by mellstrrr
Insane fuckers...
"Unilateral Military Action Is ‘On The Table'"
... with other people's kids.
A reminder of the facts...
1. Iran, as signator to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, has a legal
right to build nuclear power stations and to make fuel rods for those
power stations.
2. The US, as signator to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, is
obligated to recognize Iran's legal right to build nuclear power stations
and to make fuel rods for those power stations.
3. In 20 years of inspections, nobody has found any evidence that Iran is
doing anything other than building nuclear power stations and making fuel
rods for those power stations.
Those are the facts.
Hey bolton - either enlist or STFU.
mellstrrr
2006-06-10 14:18:44 UTC
Permalink
Post by mellstrrr
Aaron Russo’s AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
To Open Across America July 28
CANNES, FRANCE – Aaron Russo’s incendiary political documentary which
exposes many of the governmental organizations and entities that have
abridged the freedoms of U.S. citizens had its international premiere
at Cannes and won a standing ovation. The event, which was held on the
beach and filled to capacity, was open to the public and drew a crowd
of people who stood along the boardwalk to watch the film.
Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, as well the former IRS
Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents, tax attorneys and authors,
Russo proves conclusively that there is no law requiring citizens to
pay a direct tax on their labor. His film connects the dots between
money creation, federal income tax, voter fraud, the national identity
card (which becomes law in May 2008) and the implementation of Radio
Frequency Identification (RFID) technology to track citizens. Neither
left nor right-wing in perspective, the film concludes that the U.S.
government is taking on the characteristics of a police state. Doc
will open on multiple screens in cities across the U.S. beginning July
28.
The international audience at Cannes as well as the European media has
been fascinated by Russo’s fiery diatribe against the direction
America is heading. The discussion that followed the preview lasted
for thirty minutes. Actor Nick Nolte, in Cannes for the premiere of
“Over The Hedge,” joined Russo during the event. “The information in
this film is something everybody has to know”, said Nolte, who was the
lead actor in “Teachers,” a film produced by Russo.
Russo, who is best known as the producer of feature films including
“The Rose” with Bette Midler and “Trading Places” with Eddie Murphy
and Dan Aykroyd, wrote, produced, and directed the doc. “I am
disgusted by the direction America was heading,” says Russo. “I made
this movie because I want to live in a free country and I want my kids
and grandkids to live in a free country. The American people must
abandon the myth that America is still the land of liberty that it
once was.”
Russo’s doc already has a tremendous grass root groundswell behind it.
The film has previewed in over twenty-five cities with sold out
theatres and standing ovations. The website, www.freedomtofascism.com
has been had over five hundred thousand (500,000) streams of the video
trailer. Additionally, through the website and from grassroots
screenings, over $100,000 in non-deductible donations has been
collected to help with the theatrical release.
ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION COMPANY: Cinema Libre Studio, a full-service
mini-studio that offers production, co-production, distribution
(theatrical and home entertainment), foreign sales, marketing and
post-production services, is best known for producing and distributing
The War On Iraq," Tim Robbins' "Embedded Live" and currently in U.S.
theatres, "Giuliani Time," For more information visit
www.cinemalibrestudio.com
http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/842/default.aspx
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click these links and scare the shit out of a shillfly:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
mellstrrr
2006-06-11 13:03:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by mellstrrr
Aaron Russo’s AMERICA: FREEDOM TO FASCISM
To Open Across America July 28
CANNES, FRANCE – Aaron Russo’s incendiary political documentary which
exposes many of the governmental organizations and entities that have
abridged the freedoms of U.S. citizens had its international premiere
at Cannes and won a standing ovation. The event, which was held on
the beach and filled to capacity, was open to the public and drew a
crowd of people who stood along the boardwalk to watch the film.
Through interviews with U.S. Congressmen, as well the former IRS
Commissioner, former IRS and FBI agents, tax attorneys and authors,
Russo proves conclusively that there is no law requiring citizens to
pay a direct tax on their labor. His film connects the dots between
money creation, federal income tax, voter fraud, the national
identity card (which becomes law in May 2008) and the implementation
of Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) technology to track
citizens. Neither left nor right-wing in perspective, the film
concludes that the U.S. government is taking on the characteristics
of a police state. Doc will open on multiple screens in cities across
the U.S. beginning July 28.
The international audience at Cannes as well as the European media
has been fascinated by Russo’s fiery diatribe against the direction
America is heading. The discussion that followed the preview lasted
for thirty minutes. Actor Nick Nolte, in Cannes for the premiere of
“Over The Hedge,” joined Russo during the event. “The information in
this film is something everybody has to know”, said Nolte, who was
the lead actor in “Teachers,” a film produced by Russo.
Russo, who is best known as the producer of feature films including
“The Rose” with Bette Midler and “Trading Places” with Eddie Murphy
and Dan Aykroyd, wrote, produced, and directed the doc. “I am
disgusted by the direction America was heading,” says Russo. “I made
this movie because I want to live in a free country and I want my
kids and grandkids to live in a free country. The American people
must abandon the myth that America is still the land of liberty that
it once was.”
Russo’s doc already has a tremendous grass root groundswell behind
it. The film has previewed in over twenty-five cities with sold out
theatres and standing ovations. The website, www.freedomtofascism.com
has been had over five hundred thousand (500,000) streams of the
video trailer. Additionally, through the website and from grassroots
screenings, over $100,000 in non-deductible donations has been
collected to help with the theatrical release.
ABOUT THE DISTRIBUTION COMPANY: Cinema Libre Studio, a full-service
mini-studio that offers production, co-production, distribution
(theatrical and home entertainment), foreign sales, marketing and
post-production services, is best known for producing and
distributing provocative independent titles in that include
"Outfoxed," "Uncovered: The War On Iraq," Tim Robbins' "Embedded
Live" and currently in U.S. theatres, "Giuliani Time," For more
information visit www.cinemalibrestudio.com
http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/842/default.aspx
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Click these links and scare the shit out of a shillfly:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com
http://www.blackboxvoting.org
mellstrrr
2006-05-28 12:25:00 UTC
Permalink
[W]ithout understanding how information gets into the BTS database,
your "claim" is meaningless.
No, the claim has the following meaning regardless of how the
An official U.S. Government source of scheduled, departed, cancelled,
diverted and arrived flights
Which is only as good as the information that is supplied to it.
Maybe the information they got about those particular flights was "bad"?
1. did not have AA11 scheduled on 9/11,
Which means that AA possibly didn't report it, or one might actually
believe the footnote in the database
So to hear you tell it, some of the information got "reported" correctly,
some was "footnoted", and some didn't get reported at all.

LOLOLOL! You fucking lying snake-oil salesman/con-artist...
mellstrrr
2006-05-28 12:36:27 UTC
Permalink
In a decision that could set the tone for journalism in the digital age, a
California appeals court ruled Friday that bloggers, like traditional
reporters, have the right to keep their sources confidential.

A panel of three judges said in a 69-page decision that a group of
bloggers did not have to divulge their sources to Cupertino's Apple
Computer Inc., contending that the same laws that protect traditional
journalists, the First Amendment and California's Shield Law, also apply
to bloggers.

Siding with the Electronic Frontier Foundation, a high-tech legal group
that had filed the appeal, the judges said that Apple could not force the
bloggers to reveal the identity of the person -- presumably an Apple
employee -- who had leaked details about a digital-music-related project
code-named "Asteroid" to a number of bloggers. The details of the product
release were published on several Web logs, Internet sites commonly
referred to as blogs, including Jason O'Grady's PowerPage, which reports
on Apple news.

"This was a huge win for the First Amendment and for journalists who
publish online," said Lauren Gelman, associate director for Stanford's
Center for Internet and Society, who filed a brief supporting the
Electronic Frontier Foundation. "The court recognized that in the modern
era, one way journalists publish information is through the Internet."

The decision by the state Court of Appeal in San Jose, which reverses a
ruling by the Santa Clara County Superior Court, speaks to changes in the
way news is gathered and published. Anyone with a computer and an Internet
connection can now be a reporter. It also means that information, not
limited by region or resources, can reach far and wide via the Web.

In their ruling, the judges said the online news sites should be treated
as newspapers, television and radio broadcasts are. O'Grady and the other
bloggers, they contended, were acting as traditional reporters and editors
do: developing sources, collecting information and publishing it, albeit
on the Web.

"The shield law is intended to protect the gathering and dissemination of
news, and that is what the petitioners did here," the judges said in the
ruling.

Apple had initially argued that the bloggers shouldn't be considered
journalists. The maker of the popular iPod digital music player, along
with other Bay Area high-tech companies such as Intel Corp. and Genentech,
also were concerned that the Internet had made it easy for the bloggers to
make their trade secrets public, potentially giving their competitors an
edge and harming their business.

But Kurt Opsahl, an attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, said
the companies can still protect their businesses but cannot use reporters
as their first resort to expose a leak.

"The court upheld strong protections for the free flow of information to
the press and from the press to the public," Opsahl said.

In addition, the judges ruled that, in the digital age, bloggers' e-mails
should also be protected, just like a telephone call or written document.
Apple had not sued the bloggers directly but had tried to subpoena their
Internet service provider, which had access to the e-mails sent between
the confidential source and the bloggers. The Electronic Frontier
Foundation, representing the bloggers, intervened.

In the end, the judges made little distinction between online journalists
and traditional journalists.

"Does Walter Cronkite stop being a journalist if he blogs for the
Huffington Post (an online news site)?" Opsahl said. "What makes a
journalist a journalist is not the format. If you're engaged in
journalism, you're a journalist. You have to look beyond the medium
selected."

George Riley, an outside attorney representing Apple, declined to comment.
Apple did not return calls for comment. It was not clear whether the
company would appeal.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/05/27/MNGTGJ3K7S1.DTL
Vandar
2006-05-01 19:38:04 UTC
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Post by mellstrrr
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
Flight 11 never took off.
That's a lie
Are you sure?
Yes.
Cite?
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
As recently as last year the Bureau
of Transportation Statistics was still saying Flight 11 hadn't even
been scheduled.
http://www.bringemon.org/cgi-bin/bringemon.cgi?noframes;read=3484
Oh please. A crappy website making unsubstantiated claims vs. the
known facts.
"known facts" (laughing) Nobody puts those two words together quite
like you do, 'vandar'
Post by Vandar
Post by mellstrrr
Look closer at the website. It claims this link's authors "was
still saying Flight 11 hadn't even been scheduled".
http://www.bts.gov/programs/airline_information/airline_ontime_statistics/
Can you demonstrate more specifically that "rcu" is lying when he
says "Flight 11 never took off"?
"On September 11, 2001, American Airlines Flight #11 and #77 and
United Airlines #93 and #175 were hijacked by terrorists. Therefore,
on-time statistics are not available for these flights."
Cite your link that shows BTS' quote above about "on time stats", please.
It is impossible to provide a link to a page compiled on the client side.
As I told you, step through the process and read the results page.
Post by mellstrrr
While you're at it, please answer the actual question, which was "Can
you demonstratethat "rcu" is lying when he says "flight 11 never took
off"?"
Yes.
Now ask if I will.
Post by mellstrrr
You still haven't learned how to be specific, have you?
You still haven't learned, have you?
mellstrrr
2006-05-08 16:51:59 UTC
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We aren't discussing the "woman". Stop trying to change the subject.
Waaaah, waaaah, waaaah...

Sucks when your SOP gets turned around and your face gets rubbed in it, don't
it?

LOLOL!
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mellstrrr
2006-05-08 20:59:25 UTC
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Any claim that there was no inferno in the north tower is easily proven
as crap.
Isn't your claim that the fires resulted from a high-speed crash of a
fuel-filled airliner? How could the spot where the alleged port
engine allegedly hit be cool enough for a person to stand and wave for
help?
Stop trying to change the subject.
Oh, he HATES when you do that. It means you aren't talking about what "vandar"
wants to discuss, LOLOLOL!

Which is usually as little to do with your legitimate questions as he thinks he
can possibly get away with....
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Vandar
2006-05-09 13:14:37 UTC
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Post by mellstrrr
Any claim that there was no inferno in the north tower is easily proven
as crap.
Isn't your claim that the fires resulted from a high-speed crash of a
fuel-filled airliner? How could the spot where the alleged port
engine allegedly hit be cool enough for a person to stand and wave for
help?
Stop trying to change the subject.
Oh, he HATES when you do that. It means you aren't talking about what "vandar"
wants to discuss, LOLOLOL!
Which is usually as little to do with your legitimate questions as he thinks he
can possibly get away with....
Melly likes to dictate what others feel, no matter how wrong it is or
how stupid it makes melly look.
Melly's a fascist.
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