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Five Moments That May Have Led to George Zimmerman’s Acquittal......Now what evidence do we have Z committed a civil rights violation?
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MattA-.
2013-07-15 16:09:06 UTC
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Five Moments That May Have Led to George Zimmerman’s Acquittal

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2013/07/five-moments-that-may-have-led-to-george-zimmermans-acquittal/

By SENI TIENABESO and MATT GUTMAN

Only the six female jurors know for certain what testimony or evidence
convinced them to acquit George Zimmerman of murder charges in the
death of Trayvon Martin, but there were key moments in the trial that
appeared to undermine the prosecution’s case for conviction. Here are
five of them.

Chris Serino was the lead investigator looking into the shooting of
Martin and initially urged the Sanford, Fla., prosecutor to charge
Zimmerman with manslaughter, a recommendation that was rejected.

Serino was called to the stand by the prosecution and was expected to
be a key witness against Zimmerman. In his “just-the-facts” style of
answering questions, Serino was repeatedly questioned by the
prosecution and defense about Zimmerman’s version of what happened
that night. But in a surprise, the investigator was asked by
Zimmerman’s lawyer whether he believed Zimmerman was telling the
truth, and the cop answered, “Yes.”

The next day the prosecution asked that the jurors be directed to
disregard Serino’s comment and the judge agreed, but the damage may
have been done.

John Good was another prosecution witness whose words may have helped
Zimmerman more than the prosecution. Good lived near where the fatal
shot was fired and appeared to have had the best view of the brief
fight between Zimmerman and Martin.

Good testified that he saw what he believed to be Martin on top of
Zimmerman. “The color on top was dark and the color at bottom
was…red,” Good said referring to the men’s clothing. At another point
he told the court that the person on the bottom had “lighter skin
color.”

Zimmerman is a white Hispanic who was wearing a red and black jacket
that night. Martin, who was black, was wearing a dark sweatshirt.

“The person on the bottom, I could hear a ‘Help,’” Good said.

Under cross examination by Zimmerman’s lawyer, Good said he believes
he saw Martin on top punching Zimmerman “MMA style,” a reference to
mixed martial arts.

“The person on top was ground and pounding the person on the
bottom?”asked Zimmerman attorney Mark O’Mara.
“Correct,” said Good

Rachel Jeantel was Trayvon Martin’s friend who was talking with him on
a cell phone until just moments before Martin was killed. She told the
jury that Martin was scared of a “creepy a** cracker” who was
following him and just before losing contact with Martin said she
heard him say, “Get off. Get off.”

But under a grueling cross examination by Zimmerman’s lawyer Don West
Jeantel conceded that it was difficult to hear what Martin was saying
and that she did not know who threw the first punch when Zimmerman
and Martin came face to face.

“The last thing you heard was something hitting somebody?” West asked
her.

“Trayvon got hit,” Jeantel said.

“You don’t know that, do you?” the defense lawyer said.
“No sir,” she said.

“You don’t know that he didn’t take his fist and drive it into
Zimmerman’s face do you?” the lawyer pressed.

“No sir,” Jeantel replied.

Renowned forensics expert Vincent Di Maio may have been one of
Zimmerman’s strongest witnesses. He told the jury that the pattern of
powder burns and other forensic evidence on Martin’s body indicated
that the teenager’s sweatshirt was two to four inches away from his
body at the time he was shot, meaning that Martin was leaning forward
over Zimmerman when he was killed.

“The medical evidence is consistent with his [Zimmerman's] statement,”
Di Maio told the Florida court.

The words of Trayvon Martin’s father were also used to undermine the
prosecution’s case. A key battle in the trial was over who was heard
screaming for help in the background of a 911 call before the fatal
shot was fired. Martin’s family insisted the voice was their son’s
voice, while Zimmerman’s parents told the court it was Zimmerman
screaming.

Serino testified that when Martin’s father, Tracy Martin, first heard
the tape he said it was not Trayvon. “He looked away and under his
breath said, ‘No,’” Serino told the court.

A second police officer gave a similar description of Tracy Martin’s
reaction to the tape.

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So it looks like there was reasonable doubt and the Jury did the
right thing by the USA standards of Justice.

Now before we waste money on another reality show what evidence to we
have Z committed a civil rights violation.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-15 22:33:39 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700, MattA-.
Post by MattA-.
Chris Serino was the lead investigator looking into the shooting of
Martin and initially urged the Sanford, Fla., prosecutor to charge
Zimmerman with manslaughter, a recommendation that was rejected.
He was charged with Manslaughter

Murder and manslaughter were the choices.
MattBB++
2013-07-15 22:35:28 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700, MattA-.
Post by MattA-.
Chris Serino was the lead investigator looking into the shooting of
Martin and initially urged the Sanford, Fla., prosecutor to charge
Zimmerman with manslaughter, a recommendation that was rejected.
He was charged with Manslaughter
Murder and manslaughter were the choices.
Did you even pay attention to the trial?
pyotr filipivich
2013-07-16 05:14:11 UTC
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Let the Record show that MattBB++ <trdell1234@(google)mail.com> on or
about Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:35:28 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
Post by MattBB++
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700, MattA-.
Post by MattA-.
Chris Serino was the lead investigator looking into the shooting of
Martin and initially urged the Sanford, Fla., prosecutor to charge
Zimmerman with manslaughter, a recommendation that was rejected.
He was charged with Manslaughter
Murder and manslaughter were the choices.
Did you even pay attention to the trial?
He gathers all the "news" he needs from DNC central - aka NBC and
the clown show on cable.

In other words, he has no idea what was happening in the world of
law and facts. Never apparently has, and the Zimmerman trial - why
should he change?
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pyotr filipivich
TV NEWS: Yesterday's newspaper read to the illiterate.
Vandar
2013-07-16 00:20:17 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700, MattA-.
Post by MattA-.
Chris Serino was the lead investigator looking into the shooting of
Martin and initially urged the Sanford, Fla., prosecutor to charge
Zimmerman with manslaughter, a recommendation that was rejected.
He was charged with Manslaughter
He was charged with Murder 2. Manslaughter was a lesser included added
immediately prior to jury instruction. He was never charged with
manslaughter, but he could've been found guilty of it.

You should've paid attention to the case.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-16 16:08:03 UTC
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Post by Vandar
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700, MattA-.
Post by MattA-.
Chris Serino was the lead investigator looking into the shooting of
Martin and initially urged the Sanford, Fla., prosecutor to charge
Zimmerman with manslaughter, a recommendation that was rejected.
He was charged with Manslaughter
He was charged with Murder 2. Manslaughter was a lesser included added
immediately prior to jury instruction.
So---that means they could consider it

You cannot argue your point as long as the charge was available

Prosecution introduced it----Defense fought it.

IDIOT
MattBB++
2013-07-16 16:31:12 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Vandar
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700, MattA-.
Post by MattA-.
Chris Serino was the lead investigator looking into the shooting of
Martin and initially urged the Sanford, Fla., prosecutor to charge
Zimmerman with manslaughter, a recommendation that was rejected.
He was charged with Manslaughter
He was charged with Murder 2. Manslaughter was a lesser included added
immediately prior to jury instruction.
So---that means they could consider it
You cannot argue your point as long as the charge was available
Prosecution introduced it----Defense fought it.
IDIOT
Yes and the Jury decided. That is the American way.

Do you really think these violent protest and attacking people who
might have agreed with you can change that.

Do you really want "Reasonable Doubt" removed from our system?
Remember our laws would be equal for everyone.

By the comment I have seen to you really want the Death Penalty
expanded on and as one idiot NFL player suggest carried out within 1
year?

One more question why do you not care or the protesters about the 10
people killed in Chicago in one weekend? What is different that
makes you not protest those murders?

BTW still haven't seen what evidence you have for a civil rights
violation.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-16 19:51:38 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 09:31:12 -0700, MattBB++
Post by MattBB++
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Vandar
He was charged with Murder 2. Manslaughter was a lesser included added
immediately prior to jury instruction.
So---that means they could consider it
You cannot argue your point as long as the charge was available
Prosecution introduced it----Defense fought it.
IDIOT
Yes and the Jury decided. That is the American way.
That doesn't mean that Zimmerloon had the right and authority to do
so.
Post by MattBB++
Do you really think these violent protest and attacking people who
might have agreed with you can change that.
Not any issue. The issue is an unreasonable, unlogical jury judgment
that has no reasonable basis.
Post by MattBB++
Do you really want "Reasonable Doubt" removed from our system?
There is "reasonable doubt" based on the verdict and the one who was
interviewed, that any rational, credible sense of awareness of events
even were considered by that jury.
Post by MattBB++
By the comment I have seen to you really want the Death Penalty
expanded
I'm against the death penalty--except in cases of narrow instances
Post by MattBB++
One more question why do you not care or the protesters about the 10
people killed in Chicago in one weekend?
More than you are about the tens of thousands killed because the gun
lobby wants profits, the rightwing (you) want to use a nonsense
"interpretation" of a non-existent "reading" of the 2nd amendment, and
outright stupidity in being a part of a political ideology that has
deliberately and maliciously set american politics into dangerous
confrontational interaction.
Post by MattBB++
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Yep I did and proud of it, did it to there faces and they did it to
mine. That was/is a thing.

Yes and you still don't understand doubt you care to.
Post by MattBB++
So---Like Charley Barta---(calling people niggers)---it's all because
someone doesn't understand?
I've called a Black man nigger did so for years

Dänk 42Ø
2013-07-16 17:00:16 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by Vandar
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700, MattA-.
Post by MattA-.
Chris Serino was the lead investigator looking into the shooting of
Martin and initially urged the Sanford, Fla., prosecutor to charge
Zimmerman with manslaughter, a recommendation that was rejected.
He was charged with Manslaughter
He was charged with Murder 2. Manslaughter was a lesser included added
immediately prior to jury instruction.
So---that means they could consider it
It doesn't seem right to add charges once a trial has started. The
government charges me with high treason for insulting Chairman Obama's
glorious Hopenchange policies. Then as that case falls apart during the
trial they add murder, then manslaughter, then obstruction of justice,
followed by cat molesting, public intoxication, disturbing the peace, and
when all these added bogus charges unravel they tell jurors they should
convict me of conspiracy to litter.

I understand that liberals want George Zimmerman to fry, but is this goal
worth the destruction of our centuries-old legal system? Do criminal
defendants have any rights at all if they aren't black?
pyotr filipivich
2013-07-16 05:14:11 UTC
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Let the Record show that MattA-. <trdell1234@(google)mail.com> on or
about Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
Post by MattA-.
So it looks like there was reasonable doubt and the Jury did the
right thing by the USA standards of Justice.
Now before we waste money on another reality show what evidence to we
have Z committed a civil rights violation.
With the Eric "Dismiss the voter intimidation charges" Holder
"Justice" Department? And with NBC willing to manufacture all the
evidence they can? You have to ask?

Eric "Fast And Furious" Holder said that he was going to pursue
justice in this case. I had to laugh - it is a novel concept coming
from Eric "Charge investigative reporters with spying" Holder.

Eric "Get me the Verizon Records" Holder couldn't investigate a
missing chocolate cake at a day care without commencing with it being
the fault of racist white Tea Party Republicans.

tschus
pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-16 16:25:47 UTC
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On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:14:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
Post by pyotr filipivich
about Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
Post by MattA-.
So it looks like there was reasonable doubt and the Jury did the
right thing by the USA standards of Justice.
Now before we waste money on another reality show what evidence to we
have Z committed a civil rights violation.
With the Eric "Dismiss the voter intimidation charges" Holder
"Justice" Department? And with NBC willing to manufacture all the
evidence they can? You have to ask?
NBC has corporate standards that they cannot do what ComCast or Faux
snooze does, you fucking idiot.

The "Big 4" operate with a written set of journalistic standards, and
a board that oversees they are kept.

Faux snooze does not. Faux argues in court they are NOT a news
channel, but an ENTERTAINMENT channel

MSNBC (an NBC affiliation) MUST adhere to NBC corporation standards.
Any broadcaster or person who does not will be fired or reprimaded.
Faux snooze has NO parallel standards.

MSNBC "entertains" mostly by picking apart faux snoozes lies, and
deviations from "actual events" (truth) and making fun of them.

MSNBC, cannot slant or alter the facts (like faux does) to fit the
audiences preconceived beliefs.

Faux was started to provide "legitimzation" to a rightiwng set of
nonsense BELIEFS that require altering the facts and evidence.
Post by pyotr filipivich
Eric "Fast And Furious" Holder said that he was going to pursue
justice in this case. I had to laugh -
Sure, because when he does---it comes right back to Bush and HIS AG
who originated it all
Post by pyotr filipivich
Eric "Get me the Verizon Records" Holder couldn't investigate a
missing chocolate cake at a day care without commencing with it being
the fault of racist white Tea Party Republicans.
Everyone knows the teawhackoffs contain racists, bigots and really,
really dumb bastards that don't care the fucking leader of theirs
serves the National Manufacturors, Chamber of Commerce, and every
rightwing group in between---that have NO connection to the average
working class that supposedly make you the tea-nuts.

Moreover, anyone dumb enough to believe that the original tea "party"
was about taxation deserves to have dick Armey as a leader. (it was
about REPRESENTATION)

IDIOT
Post by pyotr filipivich
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pyotr filipivich
Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
99% of all present policy of the US government and the disasters
incurred because of it stem from the 80's implementation of the
"trickle-down, voodoo ecoomics" of Raygun; the idiotic deregulation
of financial regulation, tax cuts, and idiotic policies of the GOP
congresses (control), and Bush who WILL go down in history as the most
stupid president EVER in america.

Couple that with the insane policies of Bush/GOP that are refused to
be allowed to change---we have debt, unemployment, disasters because
of him.

IDIOT
Yak
2013-07-16 17:17:41 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 22:14:11 -0700, pyotr filipivich
Post by pyotr filipivich
about Mon, 15 Jul 2013 09:09:06 -0700 did write, type or otherwise
Post by MattA-.
So it looks like there was reasonable doubt and the Jury did the
right thing by the USA standards of Justice.
Now before we waste money on another reality show what evidence to we
have Z committed a civil rights violation.
With the Eric "Dismiss the voter intimidation charges" Holder
"Justice" Department? And with NBC willing to manufacture all the
evidence they can? You have to ask?
NBC has corporate standards that they cannot do what ComCast or Faux
snooze does, you fucking idiot.
Standards? Like editing Zimmerman's call to 911 to purposefully introduce a racial component where none existed? Are those the golden standards that you are referring to?
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
The "Big 4" operate with a written set of journalistic standards, and
a board that oversees they are kept.
Faux snooze does not. Faux argues in court they are NOT a news
channel, but an ENTERTAINMENT channel
MSNBC (an NBC affiliation) MUST adhere to NBC corporation standards.
Any broadcaster or person who does not will be fired or reprimaded.
Faux snooze has NO parallel standards.
MSNBC "entertains" mostly by picking apart faux snoozes lies, and
deviations from "actual events" (truth) and making fun of them.
MSNBC, cannot slant or alter the facts (like faux does) to fit the
audiences preconceived beliefs.
Faux was started to provide "legitimzation" to a rightiwng set of
nonsense BELIEFS that require altering the facts and evidence.
Post by pyotr filipivich
Eric "Fast And Furious" Holder said that he was going to pursue
justice in this case. I had to laugh -
Sure, because when he does---it comes right back to Bush and HIS AG
who originated it all
Post by pyotr filipivich
Eric "Get me the Verizon Records" Holder couldn't investigate a
missing chocolate cake at a day care without commencing with it being
the fault of racist white Tea Party Republicans.
Everyone knows the teawhackoffs contain racists, bigots and really,
really dumb bastards that don't care the fucking leader of theirs
serves the National Manufacturors, Chamber of Commerce, and every
rightwing group in between---that have NO connection to the average
working class that supposedly make you the tea-nuts.
Moreover, anyone dumb enough to believe that the original tea "party"
was about taxation deserves to have dick Armey as a leader. (it was
about REPRESENTATION)
IDIOT
Post by pyotr filipivich
--
pyotr filipivich
Most journalists these days couldn't investigate a missing chocolate cake
at a pre-school without a Democrat office holder telling them what to look for,
where, and why it is Geroge Bush's fault.
99% of all present policy of the US government and the disasters
incurred because of it stem from the 80's implementation of the
"trickle-down, voodoo ecoomics" of Raygun; the idiotic deregulation
of financial regulation, tax cuts, and idiotic policies of the GOP
congresses (control), and Bush who WILL go down in history as the most
stupid president EVER in america.
Couple that with the insane policies of Bush/GOP that are refused to
be allowed to change---we have debt, unemployment, disasters because
of him.
IDIOT
pyjamarama
2013-07-16 17:42:13 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Everyone knows the teawhackoffs contain racists, bigots and really,
really dumb bastards
Speaking of "racist, bigoted dumb bastards"...

The Amazing Usenet Intellect Of HUD subsidized, 71-year old, Rapid City, SD moron Gary 'Yoorg' Roselles:

"She should be at least shot" -- Gary Roselles calling for the shooting death of duly elected US government official Katherine Harris

"I call Kathering Harris a nazi/fascist right wing ideologue whore. What did we do to German nazis right wing whores?" -- Roselles clearly states his motive for gunning down Katherine Harris in cold-blood

"I consider hating RIGHT WING nazi/fascist fucks like you a God inspired emotion." -- Sociopath Roselles enters Charles Manson territory as he claims his foam-flecked hatred and calls to murder are divinely 'inspired'

"Hating RIGHT WINGERS is doing God's work, Dumbapropyl." -- More Manson-like megalomania from usenet sociopath Gary Roselles

"Who gives a shit what these nuts (religious groups) want or don't want -- KORESH THEM ALL" -- Psychopath Gary Roselles calls for widespread fiery deaths of US Religious Groups by the ATF.

"May a real american have the honor of putting a bullet between her eyes." -- Gary Roselles calls for the brutal shooting death of Rob Robertson's teenage daughter.

"Go Ahead and put his face there. I ain't blowed a mountain up today. I can make it (blowing up Mt. Rushmore) look like a mining accident" -- Ex-miner <chuckle> and Rapid City resident Gary Roselles threatens to blow up Mt. Rushmore.

"Hinckley TRIED to do a good thing" -- Gary Roselles praises would-be presidential assassin John Hinckley

"That slut Barbara Olsen (9/11 victim) is dead? GOOD!" On 12 Sept 2001 08:42:54 GMT Gary Roselles <***@idt...> wrote. That's right folks -- sociopath Gary Roselles really did gloat about the 9/11 death of fellow citizen Barbara Olsen ON SEPTEMBER TWELFTH!!!

"God turned Olsen into jelly" -- Psychopath Gary Roselles says "God killed" US 9/11 victim Barbara Olsen

"Then why was you mother stupid enough to fuck all them black guys?" - Gary 'yoorg' Roselles, racist prick

What the fuck would a dumb cocksucker like (Distinguished African- American Scholar, Thomas) Sowell, who sits out at Stanford, never having 
worked a day in his Uncle Tom life, know anything?" -- Gary Roselles

"Both are traitors to their race" -- Race Purist Gary Roselles ‘discusses’ African-American Dr.’s Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and the importance of Race Loyalty

"You actually think that placing blackskinned, white thinking people is going to gain anything with real minorities?" -- Gary Roselles, Racist

"Them brown niggers need to be taken out" -- Gary Roselles, Racist

"He (African-American scholar Thomas Sowell) goes against his own kind." Race loyalist Gary Roselles, insisting once again that “them blacks” should "stick 
to their own kind"

"His appointment will bridge nothing. It's apparant he's being an uncle tom to appease voters." -- White trash, racist asshole Gary Roselles 
slurs African-American Hero General Colin Powell

"Group Negro Poster Pyjamarma admits to being a coconut headed coon" -- Gary Roselles, pathetic racist

"Say "yes Massa", Uncle Tom." – Vile racist Gary Roselles pathetically mocks and 
slurs prominent African-American man-of-the-cloth Jesse Lee Peterson

"How does a pampered, Stanford based, Scaife funded, Uncle Tom make judgements on "the bottom", McFly?" -- Another day, another racial slur on an educated, successful, independent black man from Gary Roselles

"Nope, Don't have to hire blacks" -- Gary Roselles, Racist Prick

"Che (Guevara) was a conservative ideologue" - Gary Roselles

"Marx and Engels were RIGHT-WINGERS you dumb cocksucker" -- Gary Roselles

"The United States is obligated to follow the DEMOCRATIC rule of the UN" -- Gary Roselles

"The Soviet Union should've kept Afghanistan" -- Gary Roselles
Y***@Jurgis.net
2013-07-16 19:45:41 UTC
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On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 10:42:13 -0700 (PDT), pyjamarama
Post by pyjamarama
Speaking of "racist, bigoted dumb bastards"...
"I don't have to hire no stinking blacks.."

Dilbert PAJAMADOODY
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