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Republican Budget Extremist and Cruel

By Sen. Bernie Sanders, Reader Supported News

02 June 11

Sen. Sanders calls out GOP and Dems on corporate tax rates, breaks
for wealthiest.

Statement and Senate Floor Remarks by Sen. Bernie Sanders


ongress and the White House are now focused on how we deal with our huge
deficit - a crisis brought about over the last 10 years by two wars, tax
breaks for the rich, the Wall Street bailout and a prescription drug
program - all unpaid for. The deficit also increased as a result of the
declining tax revenues during a current recession, caused by the greed
and illegal behavior of Wall Street.

The debate over deficit reduction comes at an unusual moment in American
economic history. While the middle class is in rapid decline and poverty
is increasing, the wealthiest people in our country and largest
corporations are doing phenomenally well. Over the last several decades
almost all new income created in this country has gone to the top 1
percent, who now earn more income than the bottom 50 percent. Further,
the United States now has the most unequal distribution of wealth of any
major country with the top 400 individuals owning more wealth than the
bottom 150 million.


Given the reality of record-breaking corporate profits and the growing
gap between the very rich and everyone else, it should be a surprise to
no one that every recently published poll suggests that the overwhelming
majority of the American people want the deficit to be addressed through
shared sacrifice. They do not believe that the deficit should be reduced
solely on the backs of working families, the elderly, children, the sick
and the poor - many of whom are already suffering as a result of the
recession. Unfortunately, that is exactly what the Republicans have
proposed.

The Republicans passed a budget in the House that is breathtaking in its
degree of cruelty. It would end Medicare as we know it by giving senior
citizens inadequate vouchers to buy health insurance from private
companies. The result is that seniors would, on average, see their out-of-
pocket expenses more than double - increasing by over $6,000 a year. It
would also cut, over 10 years, $770 billion from Medicaid, vastly
increasing the number of uninsured Americans, and threatening the long-
term care of the elderly who live in nursing homes.

The Republican budget would also make savage cuts in education,
nutrition, affordable housing, infrastructure, environmental protection
and virtually every program that low- and moderate-income Americans
depend upon.

Amazingly, while the Republican budget writers waged a vicious and
unprecedented attack on the needs of working families, they do not ask
the wealthiest people in this country, whose tax rates are now the lowest
on record, to contribute one dime more for deficit reduction. Nor do they
propose to do away with any of the loopholes that enable extremely
profitable corporations (like General Electric, Bank of America, Exxon-
Mobil, Chevron and many more) to pay little or no federal income taxes.
Quite the contrary! The Republican budget actually provides $1 trillion
more in tax breaks over the next 10 years for the very rich.

Further, at a time when defense spending has more than tripled since 1997
and now consumes more than half of the discretionary budget, the
Republican budget does nothing to reduce unnecessary military spending.
http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion2/279-82/6133-republican-budget-
extremist-and-cruel

Republican Budget Extremist and Cruel

By Sen. Bernie Sanders, Reader Supported News

02 June 11

Sen. Sanders calls out GOP and Dems on corporate tax rates, breaks
for wealthiest.

Statement and Senate Floor Remarks by Sen. Bernie Sanders


ongress and the White House are now focused on how we deal with our huge
deficit - a crisis brought about over the last 10 years by two wars, tax
breaks for the rich, the Wall Street bailout and a prescription drug
program - all unpaid for. The deficit also increased as a result of the
declining tax revenues during a current recession, caused by the greed
and illegal behavior of Wall Street.

The debate over deficit reduction comes at an unusual moment in American
economic history. While the middle class is in rapid decline and poverty
is increasing, the wealthiest people in our country and largest
corporations are doing phenomenally well. Over the last several decades
almost all new income created in this country has gone to the top 1
percent, who now earn more income than the bottom 50 percent. Further,
the United States now has the most unequal distribution of wealth of any
major country with the top 400 individuals owning more wealth than the
bottom 150 million.


Given the reality of record-breaking corporate profits and the growing
gap between the very rich and everyone else, it should be a surprise to
no one that every recently published poll suggests that the overwhelming
majority of the American people want the deficit to be addressed through
shared sacrifice. They do not believe that the deficit should be reduced
solely on the backs of working families, the elderly, children, the sick
and the poor - many of whom are already suffering as a result of the
recession. Unfortunately, that is exactly what the Republicans have
proposed.

The Republicans passed a budget in the House that is breathtaking in its
degree of cruelty. It would end Medicare as we know it by giving senior
citizens inadequate vouchers to buy health insurance from private
companies. The result is that seniors would, on average, see their out-of-
pocket expenses more than double - increasing by over $6,000 a year. It
would also cut, over 10 years, $770 billion from Medicaid, vastly
increasing the number of uninsured Americans, and threatening the long-
term care of the elderly who live in nursing homes.

The Republican budget would also make savage cuts in education,
nutrition, affordable housing, infrastructure, environmental protection
and virtually every program that low- and moderate-income Americans
depend upon.

Amazingly, while the Republican budget writers waged a vicious and
unprecedented attack on the needs of working families, they do not ask
the wealthiest people in this country, whose tax rates are now the lowest
on record, to contribute one dime more for deficit reduction. Nor do they
propose to do away with any of the loopholes that enable extremely
profitable corporations (like General Electric, Bank of America, Exxon-
Mobil, Chevron and many more) to pay little or no federal income taxes.
Quite the contrary! The Republican budget actually provides $1 trillion
more in tax breaks over the next 10 years for the very rich.

Further, at a time when defense spending has more than tripled since 1997
and now consumes more than half of the discretionary budget, the
Republican budget does nothing to reduce unnecessary military spending.

The Republican House budget is the most radical right-wing extremist
budget ever passed in the modern history of our country, and the more the
American people learn about it the more they are rejecting it. The
question is, however: Where are the Democrats? Where is President Obama?

Will the president remain strong in his demand that any deficit reduction
agreement include an end to Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy? Will he
really fight to eliminate corporate tax loopholes? Will he end the absurd
policies which allow the rich and large corporations to avoid paying tens
of billions in taxes by establishing phony addresses in off-shore tax
havens? Or, as he has done within the last year, will he give Republicans
almost everything they want at the expense of ordinary Americans.

As Vermont's senator and a member of the Budget Committee, I will not
support a plan to reduce the deficit that does not call for shared
sacrifice. At least 50 percent of any deficit reduction plan must come
from increased revenue from the wealthy and large corporations.

Instead of ending Medicare as we know it and making savage cuts to
community health centers and children's health care programs, we must ask
the top 2 percent of income earners, who currently pay the lowest upper-
income tax rate on record, to start paying their fair share of taxes.
Instead of making it harder for working families to send their kids to
college, we must end the foreign tax shelters that enable the wealthy and
large corporations to avoid paying tens of billions in U.S. taxes.
Instead of making major cuts in job creating programs in infrastructure,
public transportation and sustainable energy we must do away with a wide
variety of loopholes that allow Wall Street executives, whose profits and
compensation packages are soaring, to have a lower tax rate than middle
class workers.

The deficit crisis is real and must be addressed. But it cannot be solved
on the backs of the weak and vulnerable. Every segment of our society,
including those who have money and power, must contribute and must
sacrifice.


The Republican House budget is the most radical right-wing extremist
budget ever passed in the modern history of our country, and the more the
American people learn about it the more they are rejecting it. The
question is, however: Where are the Democrats? Where is President Obama?

Will the president remain strong in his demand that any deficit reduction
agreement include an end to Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy? Will he
really fight to eliminate corporate tax loopholes? Will he end the absurd
policies which allow the rich and large corporations to avoid paying tens
of billions in taxes by establishing phony addresses in off-shore tax
havens? Or, as he has done within the last year, will he give Republicans
almost everything they want at the expense of ordinary Americans.

As Vermont's senator and a member of the Budget Committee, I will not
support a plan to reduce the deficit that does not call for shared
sacrifice. At least 50 percent of any deficit reduction plan must come
from increased revenue from the wealthy and large corporations.

Instead of ending Medicare as we know it and making savage cuts to
community health centers and children's health care programs, we must ask
the top 2 percent of income earners, who currently pay the lowest upper-
income tax rate on record, to start paying their fair share of taxes.
Instead of making it harder for working families to send their kids to
college, we must end the foreign tax shelters that enable the wealthy and
large corporations to avoid paying tens of billions in U.S. taxes.
Instead of making major cuts in job creating programs in infrastructure,
public transportation and sustainable energy we must do away with a wide
variety of loopholes that allow Wall Street executives, whose profits and
compensation packages are soaring, to have a lower tax rate than middle
class workers.

The deficit crisis is real and must be addressed. But it cannot be solved
on the backs of the weak and vulnerable. Every segment of our society,
including those who have money and power, must contribute and must
sacrifice.
Not Sure
2011-06-03 04:50:07 UTC
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Republican Budget Extremist and Cruel
By Sen. Bernie Sanders, Reader Supported News
More hysterical sobbing over the idiot left not getting to spend as
many billions of other people's dollars as they'd like :)
02 June 11
     Sen. Sanders calls out GOP and Dems on corporate tax rates, breaks
for wealthiest.
    Statement and Senate Floor Remarks by Sen. Bernie Sanders
ongress and the White House are now focused on how we deal with our huge
deficit - a crisis brought about over the last 10 years by two wars, tax
breaks for the rich, the Wall Street bailout and a prescription drug
program - all unpaid for. The deficit also increased as a result of the
declining tax revenues during a current recession, caused by the greed
and illegal behavior of Wall Street.
The debate over deficit reduction comes at an unusual moment in American
economic history. While the middle class is in rapid decline and poverty
is increasing, the wealthiest people in our country and largest
corporations are doing phenomenally well. Over the last several decades
almost all new income created in this country has gone to the top 1
percent, who now earn more income than the bottom 50 percent. Further,
the United States now has the most unequal distribution of wealth of any
major country with the top 400 individuals owning more wealth than the
bottom 150 million.
Given the reality of record-breaking corporate profits and the growing
gap between the very rich and everyone else, it should be a surprise to
no one that every recently published poll suggests that the overwhelming
majority of the American people want the deficit to be addressed through
shared sacrifice. They do not believe that the deficit should be reduced
solely on the backs of working families, the elderly, children, the sick
and the poor - many of whom are already suffering as a result of the
recession. Unfortunately, that is exactly what the Republicans have
proposed.
The Republicans passed a budget in the House that is breathtaking in its
degree of cruelty. It would end Medicare as we know it by giving senior
citizens inadequate vouchers to buy health insurance from private
companies. The result is that seniors would, on average, see their out-of-
pocket expenses more than double - increasing by over $6,000 a year. It
would also cut, over 10 years, $770 billion from Medicaid, vastly
increasing the number of uninsured Americans, and threatening the long-
term care of the elderly who live in nursing homes.
The Republican budget would also make savage cuts in education,
nutrition, affordable housing, infrastructure, environmental protection
and virtually every program that low- and moderate-income Americans
depend upon.
Amazingly, while the Republican budget writers waged a vicious and
unprecedented attack on the needs of working families, they do not ask
the wealthiest people in this country, whose tax rates are now the lowest
on record, to contribute one dime more for deficit reduction. Nor do they
propose to do away with any of the loopholes that enable extremely
profitable corporations (like General Electric, Bank of America, Exxon-
Mobil, Chevron and many more) to pay little or no federal income taxes.
Quite the contrary! The Republican budget actually provides $1 trillion
more in tax breaks over the next 10 years for the very rich.
Further, at a time when defense spending has more than tripled since 1997
and now consumes more than half of the discretionary budget, the
Republican budget does nothing to reduce unnecessary military spending.http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion2/279-82/6133-republican-bu...
extremist-and-cruel
Republican Budget Extremist and Cruel
By Sen. Bernie Sanders, Reader Supported News
02 June 11
     Sen. Sanders calls out GOP and Dems on corporate tax rates, breaks
for wealthiest.
    Statement and Senate Floor Remarks by Sen. Bernie Sanders
ongress and the White House are now focused on how we deal with our huge
deficit - a crisis brought about over the last 10 years by two wars, tax
breaks for the rich, the Wall Street bailout and a prescription drug
program - all unpaid for. The deficit also increased as a result of the
declining tax revenues during a current recession, caused by the greed
and illegal behavior of Wall Street.
The debate over deficit reduction comes at an unusual moment in American
economic history. While the middle class is in rapid decline and poverty
is increasing, the wealthiest people in our country and largest
corporations are doing phenomenally well. Over the last several decades
almost all new income created in this country has gone to the top 1
percent, who now earn more income than the bottom 50 percent. Further,
the United States now has the most unequal distribution of wealth of any
major country with the top 400 individuals owning more wealth than the
bottom 150 million.
Given the reality of record-breaking corporate profits and the growing
gap between the very rich and everyone else, it should be a surprise to
no one that every recently published poll suggests that the overwhelming
majority of the American people want the deficit to be addressed through
shared sacrifice. They do not believe that the deficit should be reduced
solely on the backs of working families, the elderly, children, the sick
and the poor - many of whom are already suffering as a result of the
recession. Unfortunately, that is exactly what the Republicans have
proposed.
The Republicans passed a budget in the House that is breathtaking in its
degree of cruelty. It would end Medicare as we know it by giving senior
citizens inadequate vouchers to buy health insurance from private
companies. The result is that seniors would, on average, see their out-of-
pocket expenses more than double - increasing by over $6,000 a year. It
would also cut, over 10 years, $770 billion from Medicaid, vastly
increasing the number of uninsured Americans, and threatening the long-
term care of the elderly who live in nursing homes.
The Republican budget would also make savage cuts in education,
nutrition, affordable housing, infrastructure, environmental protection
and virtually every program that low- and moderate-income Americans
depend upon.
Amazingly, while the Republican budget writers waged a vicious and
unprecedented attack on the needs of working families, they do not ask
the wealthiest people in this country, whose tax rates are now the lowest
on record, to contribute one dime more for deficit reduction. Nor do they
propose to do away with any of the loopholes that enable extremely
profitable corporations (like General Electric, Bank of America, Exxon-
Mobil, Chevron and many more) to pay little or no federal income taxes.
Quite the contrary! The Republican budget actually provides $1 trillion
more in tax breaks over the next 10 years for the very rich.
Further, at a time when defense spending has more than tripled since 1997
and now consumes more than half of the discretionary budget, the
Republican budget does nothing to reduce unnecessary military spending.
The Republican House budget is the most radical right-wing extremist
budget ever passed in the modern history of our country, and the more the
American people learn about it the more they are rejecting it. The
question is, however: Where are the Democrats? Where is President Obama?
Will the president remain strong in his demand that any deficit reduction
agreement include an end to Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy? Will he
really fight to eliminate corporate tax loopholes? Will he end the absurd
policies which allow the rich and large corporations to avoid paying tens
of billions in taxes by establishing phony addresses in off-shore tax
havens? Or, as he has done within the last year, will he give Republicans
almost everything they want at the expense of ordinary Americans.
As Vermont's senator and a member of the Budget Committee, I will not
support a plan to reduce the deficit that does not call for shared
sacrifice. At least 50 percent of any deficit reduction plan must come
from increased revenue from the wealthy and large corporations.
Instead of ending Medicare as we know it and making savage cuts to
community health centers and children's health care programs, we must ask
the top 2 percent of income earners, who currently pay the lowest upper-
income tax rate on record, to start paying their fair share of taxes.
Instead of making it harder for working families to send their kids to
college, we must end the foreign tax shelters that enable the wealthy and
large corporations to avoid paying tens of billions in U.S. taxes.
Instead of making major cuts in job creating programs in infrastructure,
public transportation and sustainable energy we must do away with a wide
variety of loopholes that allow Wall Street executives, whose profits and
compensation packages are soaring, to have a lower tax rate than middle
class workers.
The deficit crisis is real and must be addressed. But it cannot be solved
on the backs of the weak and vulnerable. Every segment of our society,
including those who have money and power, must contribute and must
sacrifice.
The Republican House budget is the most radical right-wing extremist
budget ever passed in the modern history of our country, and the more the
American people learn about it the more they are rejecting it. The
question is, however: Where are the Democrats? Where is President Obama?
Will the president remain strong in his demand that any deficit reduction
agreement include an end to Bush's tax breaks for the wealthy? Will he
really fight to eliminate corporate tax loopholes? Will he end the absurd
policies which allow the rich and large corporations to avoid paying tens
of billions in taxes by establishing phony addresses in off-shore tax
havens? Or, as he has done within the last year, will he give Republicans
almost everything they want at the expense of ordinary Americans.
As Vermont's senator and a member of the Budget Committee, I will not
support a plan to reduce the deficit that does not call for shared
sacrifice. At least 50 percent of any deficit reduction plan must come
from increased revenue from the wealthy and large corporations.
Instead of ending Medicare as we know it and making savage cuts to
community health centers and children's health care programs, we must ask
the top 2 percent of income earners, who currently pay the lowest upper-
income tax rate on record, to start paying their fair share of taxes.
Instead of making it harder for working families to send their kids to
college, we must end the foreign tax shelters that enable the wealthy and
large corporations to avoid paying tens of billions in U.S. taxes.
Instead of making major cuts in job creating programs in infrastructure,
public transportation and sustainable energy we must do away with a wide
variety of loopholes that allow Wall Street executives, whose profits and
compensation packages are soaring, to have a lower tax rate than middle
class workers.
The deficit crisis is real and must be addressed. But it cannot be solved
on the backs of the weak and vulnerable. Every segment of our society,
including those who have money and power, must contribute and must
sacrifice.
Mr.B1ack
2011-06-03 07:01:44 UTC
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And NECESSARY ............
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-03 16:14:07 UTC
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And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.

Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
David Hartung
2011-06-03 17:02:00 UTC
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Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.

http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf

[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but extend
marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education
• Immediately rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal
• Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for)
• Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%,
and 49% top rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income
• Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln)
• Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability
to 28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned
• Eliminate corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies
• Enact a financial crisis responsibility fee
• Financial speculation tax (derivatives, foreign exchange)
• Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies
• CMS program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the
president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings and
eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side
Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals starting
in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving more
than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years.
• Reduce baseline defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities,
conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion)
[...]

Hot flash, it will not work.
wy
2011-06-03 19:21:18 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but extend
marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education
• Immediately rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal
• Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for)
• Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%,
and 49% top rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income
• Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln)
• Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability
to 28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned
• Eliminate corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies
• Enact a financial crisis responsibility fee
• Financial speculation tax (derivatives, foreign exchange)
• Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies
• CMS program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the
president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings and
eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side
Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals starting
in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving more
than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years.
• Reduce baseline defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities,
conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion)
[...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math. He thinks that the problem
will just resolve on its own without getting at the money from the
sources that have the money to fix it.

More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money
needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.

Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem without
getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money. Over two years later and the
problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money - that should
tell you something right there. They've had a free ride and
capitalized very handsomely for quite a while now at everyone's
expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to share in the pain. It's the
American thing to do if you believe in your country's long-term health
and survival.

Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American than
Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
gfn
2011-06-04 02:34:51 UTC
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Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but extend
marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education
• Immediately rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal
• Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for)
• Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%,
and 49% top rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income
• Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln)
• Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability
to 28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned
• Eliminate corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies
• Enact a financial crisis responsibility fee
• Financial speculation tax (derivatives, foreign exchange)
• Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies
• CMS program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the
president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings and
eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side
Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals starting
in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving more
than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years.
• Reduce baseline defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities,
conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion)
[...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the problem
will just resolve on its own without getting at the money from the
sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money
needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem without
getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years later and the
problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money - that should
tell you something right there.  They've had a free ride and
capitalized very handsomely for quite a while now at everyone's
expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to share in the pain.  It's the
American thing to do if you believe in your country's long-term health
and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American than
Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem. The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it doesn't
put a dent in the debt. We have almost surpassed the point where 50%
of the wage earners in this country take more than they give to the
government. There's your problem.
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 02:39:17 UTC
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Post by gfn
Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but
extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education • Immediately
rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal • Index the
AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for) •
Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%,
and 49% top rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income •
Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln) •
Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability
to 28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds
with a subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned • Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies • Enact a
financial crisis responsibility fee • Financial speculation tax
(derivatives, foreign exchange) • Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies • CMS program
integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the president’s
budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings
and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee
side Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals
starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving
more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. • Reduce baseline
defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities, conventional
forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the problem
will just resolve on its own without getting at the money from the
sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money needed
to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem without
getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years later and the
problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money - that should tell
you something right there.  They've had a free ride and capitalized
very handsomely for quite a while now at everyone's expense, so now the
BIG PEOPLE have to share in the pain.  It's the American thing to do if
you believe in your country's long-term health and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American than
Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem. The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it doesn't
put a dent in the debt. We have almost surpassed the point where 50% of
the wage earners in this country take more than they give to the
government. There's your problem.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70

The People's Budget:
Eliminates National Deficit by 2021

Read the People's Budget

Read The Technical Analysis by the Economic Policy Institute (External
Link)

Presupuesto del Pueblo (Español)

The CPC proposal:

• Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021
• Puts America back to work with a “Make it in America” jobs program
• Protects the social safety net
• Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
• Is FAIR (Fixing America’s Inequality Responsibly)

What the proposal accomplishes:

• Primary budget balance by 2014.
• Budget surplus by 2021.
• Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down 16.5
percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch.
• Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to this
adjusted baseline.
• Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
gfn
2011-06-04 02:44:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but
extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education • Immediately
rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal • Index the
AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for) •
Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%,
and 49% top rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income •
Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln) •
Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability
to 28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds
with a subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned • Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies • Enact a
financial crisis responsibility fee • Financial speculation tax
(derivatives, foreign exchange) • Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies • CMS program
integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the president’s
budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings
and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee
side Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals
starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving
more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. • Reduce baseline
defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities, conventional
forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the problem
will just resolve on its own without getting at the money from the
sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money needed
to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem without
getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years later and the
problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money - that should tell
you something right there.  They've had a free ride and capitalized
very handsomely for quite a while now at everyone's expense, so now the
BIG PEOPLE have to share in the pain.  It's the American thing to do if
you believe in your country's long-term health and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American than
Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem.  The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it doesn't
put a dent in the debt.  We have almost surpassed the point where 50% of
the wage earners in this country take more than they give to the
government.  There's your problem.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
Eliminates National Deficit by 2021
Read the People's Budget
Read The Technical Analysis by the Economic Policy Institute (External
Link)
Presupuesto del Pueblo (Español)
• Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021
• Puts America back to work with a “Make it in America” jobs program
• Protects the social safety net
• Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
• Is FAIR (Fixing America’s Inequality Responsibly)
• Primary budget balance by 2014.
• Budget surplus by 2021.
• Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down 16.5
percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch.
• Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to this
adjusted baseline.
• Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
and you believe it.....bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 02:47:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but
extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education • Immediately
rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal • Index
the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid
for) • Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%,
47%, 48%, and 49% top rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income
• Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of
Kyl-Lincoln) • Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can
reduce tax liability to 28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds
with a subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned • Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies • Enact a
financial crisis responsibility fee • Financial speculation tax
(derivatives, foreign exchange) • Reinstate Superfund taxes Health
Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies • CMS
program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the
president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade
(maintain doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of
earnings and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee
side Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals
starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while
saving more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. • Reduce baseline
defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities, conventional
forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy
and broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the problem
will just resolve on its own without getting at the money from the
sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money
needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem without
getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years later and the
problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money - that should
tell you something right there.  They've had a free ride and
capitalized very handsomely for quite a while now at everyone's
expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to share in the pain.  It's the
American thing to do if you believe in your country's long-term
health and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American
than Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem.  The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it doesn't
put a dent in the debt.  We have almost surpassed the point where 50%
of the wage earners in this country take more than they give to the
government.  There's your problem.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
Eliminates National Deficit by 2021
Read the People's Budget
Read The Technical Analysis by the Economic Policy Institute (External
Link)
Presupuesto del Pueblo (Español)
• Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021 • Puts America
back to work with a “Make it in America” jobs program • Protects the
social safety net
• Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq • Is FAIR (Fixing America’s
Inequality Responsibly)
• Primary budget balance by 2014.
• Budget surplus by 2021.
• Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down 16.5
percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch. •
Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to this
adjusted baseline.
• Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
and you believe it.....bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
gfn
2011-06-04 02:50:55 UTC
Permalink
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but
extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education • Immediately
rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal • Index
the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid
for) • Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%,
47%, 48%, and 49% top rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income
• Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of
Kyl-Lincoln) • Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can
reduce tax liability to 28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds
with a subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned • Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies • Enact a
financial crisis responsibility fee • Financial speculation tax
(derivatives, foreign exchange) • Reinstate Superfund taxes Health
Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies • CMS
program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the
president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade
(maintain doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of
earnings and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee
side Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals
starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while
saving more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. • Reduce baseline
defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities, conventional
forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy
and broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the problem
will just resolve on its own without getting at the money from the
sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money
needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem without
getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years later and the
problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money - that should
tell you something right there.  They've had a free ride and
capitalized very handsomely for quite a while now at everyone's
expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to share in the pain.  It's the
American thing to do if you believe in your country's long-term
health and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American
than Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem.  The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it doesn't
put a dent in the debt.  We have almost surpassed the point where 50%
of the wage earners in this country take more than they give to the
government.  There's your problem.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
Eliminates National Deficit by 2021
Read the People's Budget
Read The Technical Analysis by the Economic Policy Institute (External
Link)
Presupuesto del Pueblo (Español)
• Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021 • Puts America
back to work with a “Make it in America” jobs program • Protects the
social safety net
• Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq • Is FAIR (Fixing America’s
Inequality Responsibly)
• Primary budget balance by 2014.
• Budget surplus by 2021.
• Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down 16.5
percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch. •
Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to this
adjusted baseline.
• Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
and you believe it.....bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Yeah, and history supports me.  All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
What history?
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 06:09:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by gfn
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending
and defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%
20Budget.pdf
Post by gfn
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but
extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education • Immediately
rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal •
Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is
fully paid for) • Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal
(adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%, and 49% top rates) • Tax all
capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income •
Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of
Kyl-Lincoln) • Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can
reduce tax liability to 28%for high earners • Replace the tax
exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a subsidy
for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned • Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies • Enact a
financial crisis responsibility fee • Financial speculation tax
(derivatives, foreign exchange) • Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies • CMS
program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in
the president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade
(maintain doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of
earnings and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the
employee side Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals
starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while
saving more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. • Reduce
baseline defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities,
conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean
energy and broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the
problem will just resolve on its own without getting at the money
from the sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money
needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem
without getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years later
and the problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money -
that should tell you something right there.  They've had a free
ride and capitalized very handsomely for quite a while now at
everyone's expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to share in the
pain.  It's the American thing to do if you believe in your
country's long-term health and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American
than Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem.  The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it
doesn't put a dent in the debt.  We have almost surpassed the
point where 50% of the wage earners in this country take more than
they give to the government.  There's your problem.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
Eliminates National Deficit by 2021
Read the People's Budget
Read The Technical Analysis by the Economic Policy Institute
(External Link)
Presupuesto del Pueblo (Español)
• Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021 • Puts
America back to work with a “Make it in America” jobs program •
Protects the social safety net
• Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq • Is FAIR (Fixing America’s
Inequality Responsibly)
• Primary budget balance by 2014.
• Budget surplus by 2021.
• Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down 16.5
percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch. •
Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to this
adjusted baseline.
• Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
and you believe it.....bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Yeah, and history supports me.  All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
What history?
If you have to ask, you aren't competent to discuss economics.
David Hartung
2011-06-04 09:45:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by gfn
Post by wy
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending
and defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%
20Budget.pdf
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by gfn
Post by wy
Post by David Hartung
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but
extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education • Immediately
rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal •
Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is
fully paid for) • Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal
(adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%, and 49% top rates) • Tax all
capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income •
Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of
Kyl-Lincoln) • Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can
reduce tax liability to 28%for high earners • Replace the tax
exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a subsidy
for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned • Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies • Enact a
financial crisis responsibility fee • Financial speculation tax
(derivatives, foreign exchange) • Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies • CMS
program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in
the president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade
(maintain doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of
earnings and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the
employee side Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals
starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while
saving more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. • Reduce
baseline defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities,
conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean
energy and broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math. He thinks that the
problem will just resolve on its own without getting at the money
from the sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money
needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem
without getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money. Over two years later
and the problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money -
that should tell you something right there. They've had a free
ride and capitalized very handsomely for quite a while now at
everyone's expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to share in the
pain. It's the American thing to do if you believe in your
country's long-term health and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American
than Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem. The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it
doesn't put a dent in the debt. We have almost surpassed the
point where 50% of the wage earners in this country take more than
they give to the government. There's your problem.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
Eliminates National Deficit by 2021
Read the People's Budget
Read The Technical Analysis by the Economic Policy Institute
(External Link)
Presupuesto del Pueblo (Español)
• Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021 • Puts
America back to work with a “Make it in America” jobs program •
Protects the social safety net
• Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq • Is FAIR (Fixing America’s
Inequality Responsibly)
• Primary budget balance by 2014.
• Budget surplus by 2021.
• Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down 16.5
percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch. •
Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to this
adjusted baseline.
• Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
and you believe it.....bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
What history?
If you have to ask, you aren't competent to discuss economics.
I see.
gfn
2011-06-04 11:28:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Post by gfn
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending
and defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%
20Budget.pdf
Post by gfn
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but
extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education • Immediately
rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal •
Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is
fully paid for) • Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal
(adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%, and 49% top rates) • Tax all
capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income •
Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of
Kyl-Lincoln) • Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can
reduce tax liability to 28%for high earners • Replace the tax
exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a subsidy
for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned • Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies • Enact a
financial crisis responsibility fee • Financial speculation tax
(derivatives, foreign exchange) • Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies • CMS
program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in
the president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade
(maintain doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of
earnings and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the
employee side Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals
starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while
saving more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. • Reduce
baseline defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities,
conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean
energy and broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the
problem will just resolve on its own without getting at the money
from the sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money
needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem
without getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years later
and the problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money -
that should tell you something right there.  They've had a free
ride and capitalized very handsomely for quite a while now at
everyone's expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to share in the
pain.  It's the American thing to do if you believe in your
country's long-term health and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American
than Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem.  The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it
doesn't put a dent in the debt.  We have almost surpassed the
point where 50% of the wage earners in this country take more than
they give to the government.  There's your problem.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
Eliminates National Deficit by 2021
Read the People's Budget
Read The Technical Analysis by the Economic Policy Institute
(External Link)
Presupuesto del Pueblo (Español)
• Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021 • Puts
America back to work with a “Make it in America” jobs program •
Protects the social safety net
• Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq • Is FAIR (Fixing America’s
Inequality Responsibly)
• Primary budget balance by 2014.
• Budget surplus by 2021.
• Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down 16.5
percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch. •
Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to this
adjusted baseline.
• Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
and you believe it.....bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Yeah, and history supports me.  All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
What history?
If you have to ask, you aren't competent to discuss economics.
Yeah, I figured you couldn't answer.
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 16:57:17 UTC
Permalink
Post by gfn
Post by David Hartung
Post by gfn
On Jun 3, 10:39 pm, "6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09"
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased
spending and defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%
20Budget.pdf
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012,
but extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education •
Immediately rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s
tax deal • Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT
patch is fully paid for) • Schakowsky millionaire tax rates
proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%, and 49% top rates) •
Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary
income • Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal
of Kyl-Lincoln) • Limit the rate at which itemized
deductions can reduce tax liability to 28%for high earners •
Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local
bonds with a subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned •
Eliminate corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies
• Enact a financial crisis responsibility fee • Financial
speculation tax (derivatives, foreign exchange) • Reinstate
Superfund taxes Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies • CMS
program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in
the president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade
(maintain doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of
earnings and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the
employee side Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency
supplementals starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while
saving more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. • Reduce
baseline defense spending by reducing strategic
capabilities, conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean
energy and broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion)
[...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the
problem will just resolve on its own without getting at the
money from the sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of
money needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem
without getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years
later and the problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's
money - that should tell you something right there.  They've
had a free ride and capitalized very handsomely for quite a
while now at everyone's expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to
share in the pain.  It's the American thing to do if you
believe in your country's long-term health and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue
American than Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem.  The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it
doesn't put a dent in the debt.  We have almost surpassed the
point where 50% of the wage earners in this country take more
than they give to the government.  There's your problem.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
Eliminates National Deficit by 2021
Read the People's Budget
Read The Technical Analysis by the Economic Policy Institute
(External Link)
Presupuesto del Pueblo (Español)
• Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021 • Puts
America back to work with a “Make it in America” jobs program •
Protects the social safety net
• Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq • Is FAIR (Fixing
America’s Inequality Responsibly)
• Primary budget balance by 2014.
• Budget surplus by 2021.
• Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down
16.5 percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch.
• Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to
this adjusted baseline.
• Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
and you believe it.....bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Yeah, and history supports me.  All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
What history?
If you have to ask, you aren't competent to discuss economics.
Yeah, I figured you couldn't answer.
Do you REALLY want me to answer? Or are you just pulling a Hartung?
David Hartung
2011-06-04 16:59:49 UTC
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Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
If you have to ask, you aren't competent to discuss economics.
Yeah, I figured you couldn't answer.
Do you REALLY want me to answer? Or are you just pulling a Hartung?
Zepp, your ignorance on economic matters is legend. Your answer would be
entertaining.
Ray Fischer
2011-06-05 00:10:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
If you have to ask, you aren't competent to discuss economics.
Yeah, I figured you couldn't answer.
Do you REALLY want me to answer? Or are you just pulling a Hartung?
Zepp, your ignorance on economic matters is legend.
That coming from a moron who thinks that reducing income means that
one takes in more money.
--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
***@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal
Gary DW
2011-06-07 16:46:48 UTC
Permalink
In article <6807c69f-dd86-42f8-b621-95c3cb294c96
@x10g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, gfn says...
Post by gfn
Post by gfn
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
? Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but
extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education ? Immediately
rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December?s tax deal ? Index
the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid
for) ? Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%,
47%, 48%, and 49% top rates)
? Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income
? Progressive estate tax (Sanders? estate tax, repeal of
Kyl-Lincoln) ? Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can
reduce tax liability to 28%for high earners
? Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds
with a subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
? Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned ? Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies ? Enact a
financial crisis responsibility fee ? Financial speculation tax
(derivatives, foreign exchange) ? Reinstate Superfund taxes Health
Care
? Enact a public option
? Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies ? CMS
program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the
president?s budget
? Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade
(maintain doc fix)
Social Security
? Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of
earnings and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
? Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee
side Defense Savings
? End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals
starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while
saving more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. ? Reduce baseline
defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities, conventional
forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
? Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy
and broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
? Infrastructure bank
? Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the problem
will just resolve on its own without getting at the money from the
sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money
needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem without
getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years later and the
problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money - that should
tell you something right there.  They've had a free ride and
capitalized very handsomely for quite a while now at everyone's
expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to share in the pain.  It's the
American thing to do if you believe in your country's long-term
health and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American
than Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem.  The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it doesn't
put a dent in the debt.  We have almost surpassed the point where 50%
of the wage earners in this country take more than they give to the
government.  There's your problem.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?sectionid=70
Eliminates National Deficit by 2021
Read the People's Budget
Read The Technical Analysis by the Economic Policy Institute (External
Link)
Presupuesto del Pueblo (Español)
? Eliminates the deficits and creates a surplus by 2021 ? Puts America
back to work with a ?Make it in America? jobs program ? Protects the
social safety net
? Ends the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq ? Is FAIR (Fixing America?s
Inequality Responsibly)
? Primary budget balance by 2014.
? Budget surplus by 2021.
? Reduces public debt as a share of GDP to 64.1% by 2021, down 16.5
percentage points from
a baseline fully adjusted for both the doc fix and the AMT patch. ?
Reduces deficits by $5.6 trillion over 2012-21, relative to this
adjusted baseline.
? Outlays equal to 22.2% of GDP and revenue equal 22.3% of GDP by 2021.
and you believe it.....bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Yeah, and history supports me.  All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
What history?
"Before the supply siders, Dems and Repubs brought the
debt down relative to our income in 27 out of 35 years.
The supply siders (with Reagan and the Bushes) raised it
20 out of 20 years. That's no accident."


20 of 20 years, Bubba.

It doesn't get much more clear than that!
--
Conservatives only mistrust government when it comes to spending money on
people they don't like. -Digby
David Hartung
2011-06-04 03:14:06 UTC
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Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
wy
2011-06-04 03:29:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Yeah, and history supports me.  All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Don't do it, 6053 Dead! Hartung's got an internets - he should use
it. Seems he only wants to use it to back up his own flawed and
erroneous perspective on things, he doesn't think much of using it to
look for that which is contrary to his views in order to arrive at a
more balanced, and also likely more accurate, picture. Besides, he
won't believe anything you come up with anyway so it'll just be a
total waste of time and energy on your part.
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 06:08:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Yeah, and history supports me.  All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Don't do it, 6053 Dead! Hartung's got an internets - he should use it.
Seems he only wants to use it to back up his own flawed and erroneous
perspective on things, he doesn't think much of using it to look for
that which is contrary to his views in order to arrive at a more
balanced, and also likely more accurate, picture. Besides, he won't
believe anything you come up with anyway so it'll just be a total waste
of time and energy on your part.
Hartung won't read it anyway. He is just here to obfuscate, equivocate,
and waste everyone else's time and effort. There is no honesty or
integrity in his approach to debate in these groups. He's a GOP apologist
and every inch a lackey.
David Hartung
2011-06-04 09:47:19 UTC
Permalink
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Don't do it, 6053 Dead! Hartung's got an internets - he should use it.
Seems he only wants to use it to back up his own flawed and erroneous
perspective on things, he doesn't think much of using it to look for
that which is contrary to his views in order to arrive at a more
balanced, and also likely more accurate, picture. Besides, he won't
believe anything you come up with anyway so it'll just be a total waste
of time and energy on your part.
Hartung won't read it anyway. He is just here to obfuscate, equivocate,
and waste everyone else's time and effort. There is no honesty or
integrity in his approach to debate in these groups. He's a GOP apologist
and every inch a lackey.
Zepp accusing someone of lacking honesty and integrity? How interesting
wy
2011-06-04 14:23:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Yeah, and history supports me.  All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Don't do it, 6053 Dead!  Hartung's got an internets - he should use it.
Seems he only wants to use it to back up his own flawed and erroneous
perspective on things, he doesn't think much of using it to look for
that which is contrary to his views in order to arrive at a more
balanced, and also likely more accurate, picture.  Besides, he won't
believe anything you come up with anyway so it'll just be a total waste
of time and energy on your part.
Hartung won't read it anyway.  He is just here to obfuscate, equivocate,
and waste everyone else's time and effort.  There is no honesty or
integrity in his approach to debate in these groups.  He's a GOP apologist
and every inch a lackey.
Zepp accusing someone of lacking honesty and integrity? How interesting
Hartung not disproving anything Zepp has said? How interesting.
Steve
2011-06-04 16:04:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by wy
Post by David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Yeah, and history supports me.  All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Don't do it, 6053 Dead!  Hartung's got an internets - he should use it.
Seems he only wants to use it to back up his own flawed and erroneous
perspective on things, he doesn't think much of using it to look for
that which is contrary to his views in order to arrive at a more
balanced, and also likely more accurate, picture.  Besides, he won't
believe anything you come up with anyway so it'll just be a total waste
of time and energy on your part.
Hartung won't read it anyway.  He is just here to obfuscate, equivocate,
and waste everyone else's time and effort.  There is no honesty or
integrity in his approach to debate in these groups.  He's a GOP apologist
and every inch a lackey.
Zepp accusing someone of lacking honesty and integrity? How interesting
Hartung not disproving anything Zepp has said? How interesting.
More Ignorance from a leftist who won't be able to find
what he claims is in the Constitution.

"Are you saying the Constitution does not guarantee the adult
individual citizen's right to vote in Presidential elections?
You must not be able to read."

--JLS ***@bellsouth.net
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/0ba4f467c4546251?hl=en
Ray Fischer
2011-06-04 15:45:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Don't do it, 6053 Dead! Hartung's got an internets - he should use it.
Seems he only wants to use it to back up his own flawed and erroneous
perspective on things, he doesn't think much of using it to look for
that which is contrary to his views in order to arrive at a more
balanced, and also likely more accurate, picture. Besides, he won't
believe anything you come up with anyway so it'll just be a total waste
of time and energy on your part.
Hartung won't read it anyway. He is just here to obfuscate, equivocate,
and waste everyone else's time and effort. There is no honesty or
integrity in his approach to debate in these groups. He's a GOP apologist
and every inch a lackey.
Zepp accusing someone of lacking honesty and integrity?
Not "someone".

You.

And he's right about you.
--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
***@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal
Y***@Jurgis.net
2011-06-04 14:34:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Public record isn't enough proof?
Post by David Hartung
===============================================================
The public debt on 9/30/1981 (Mr. Carter's last budget year) was
$997,855,000,000.00.

The public debt on 9/29/1989 (Mr. Reagan's last budget year) was
$2,857,430,960,187.32.

Mr. Reagan added $1,859,575,960,187.32 to the public debt.

The public debt on 9/30/1993 (Mr. Bush's - the elder - last budget
year) was $4,411,488,883,139.38.

Mr. Bush added $1,554,057,922,952.06 to the public debt.


The public debt on 9/30/2001 (Mr. Clinton's last budget year) was
$5,807,463,412,200.06.

Mr. Clinton added $1,395,974,529,060.68 to the public debt.


The public debt on 9/30/2009 (Mr. Bush's last budget year) was
$11,909,829,003,511.70.

Mr. Bush added $6,102,365,591,311.64 to the public debt.

The public debt on 3/3/2011 was $14,182,086,199,057.00.

Mr. Obama has added $2,272,257,195,545.30 to the public debt.

Of the $13.184 trillion dollar debt added since (and not including)
Mr. Carter, the Republican administrations have added $9.516 trillion
(72.2%) and the Democratic presidents have added $3.668 trillion
(27.8%).
Post by David Hartung
From 1994-2007--YOUR republicans created some of the WORST economic
and domestic policy in our history by deregulation, oversight failure,
and tax cuts, while kissing Bush's ass for everything.
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 16:43:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Public record isn't enough proof?
Just David, pulling his "PROVE there's an India" jackassery.

It's not easy being a stooge for the GOP these days.
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by David Hartung
===============================================================
The public debt on 9/30/1981 (Mr. Carter's last budget year) was
$997,855,000,000.00.
The public debt on 9/29/1989 (Mr. Reagan's last budget year) was
$2,857,430,960,187.32.
Mr. Reagan added $1,859,575,960,187.32 to the public debt.
The public debt on 9/30/1993 (Mr. Bush's - the elder - last budget year)
was $4,411,488,883,139.38.
Mr. Bush added $1,554,057,922,952.06 to the public debt.
The public debt on 9/30/2001 (Mr. Clinton's last budget year) was
$5,807,463,412,200.06.
Mr. Clinton added $1,395,974,529,060.68 to the public debt.
The public debt on 9/30/2009 (Mr. Bush's last budget year) was
$11,909,829,003,511.70.
Mr. Bush added $6,102,365,591,311.64 to the public debt.
The public debt on 3/3/2011 was $14,182,086,199,057.00.
Mr. Obama has added $2,272,257,195,545.30 to the public debt.
Of the $13.184 trillion dollar debt added since (and not including) Mr.
Carter, the Republican administrations have added $9.516 trillion
(72.2%) and the Democratic presidents have added $3.668 trillion
(27.8%).
Post by David Hartung
From 1994-2007--YOUR republicans created some of the WORST economic and
domestic policy in our history by deregulation, oversight failure, and
tax cuts, while kissing Bush's ass for everything.
David Hartung
2011-06-04 17:04:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of failed
Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Public record isn't enough proof?
Just David, pulling his "PROVE there's an India" jackassery.
Which means that Zepp, who apparently spends his entire day on-line, is
completely unable to find the least bit of credible evidence to support
his position.

If the consequences wouldn't be so bad, I am almost tempted to let the
left pass their budget, and watch to see how quickly they fail.
Lee Curtis
2011-06-06 16:01:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 22:14:06 -0500, David
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of
failed Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Public record isn't enough proof?
Just David, pulling his "PROVE there's an India" jackassery.
Which means that Zepp, who apparently spends his entire day on-line,
is completely unable to find the least bit of credible evidence to
support his position.
If the consequences wouldn't be so bad, I am almost tempted to let
the left pass their budget, and watch to see how quickly they fail.
Even better, let the hard core conservatives get the
budget they want and watch the outraged seniors who are
their biggest voting block turn on them in justifiable
outrage.




Keep Your Government Hands Off My Medicare
May 22, 2011

That’s what was seen on a sign during the debates over the
healthcare bill at an anti-Obamacare rally. Now, in a recent
McClatchy-Marist poll, 70 percent of those who identify with
the Tea Party oppose cutting Medicare and Medicaid to deal
with the federal budget deficit.
http://tinyurl.com/3sej5fq
6065 Dead, 1208 since 1/20/09
2011-06-06 16:07:27 UTC
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Post by Lee Curtis
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 22:14:06 -0500, David
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Yeah, and history supports me. All you have is 30 years of
failed Reaganomics.
Provide this "history".
Public record isn't enough proof?
Just David, pulling his "PROVE there's an India" jackassery.
Which means that Zepp, who apparently spends his entire day on-line, is
completely unable to find the least bit of credible evidence to support
his position.
Troll, troll, troll your boat, gently down the stream...
Post by Lee Curtis
Post by David Hartung
If the consequences wouldn't be so bad, I am almost tempted to let the
left pass their budget, and watch to see how quickly they fail.
Suggest it to the Republicans. They want the economy to suffer under
Obama, and that should play right into their hands.
Post by Lee Curtis
Even better, let the hard core conservatives get the
budget they want and watch the outraged seniors who are their biggest
voting block turn on them in justifiable outrage.
They are going into 2012 married to the Ryan plan.
Post by Lee Curtis
Keep Your Government Hands Off My Medicare May 22, 2011
That’s what was seen on a sign during the debates over the healthcare
bill at an anti-Obamacare rally. Now, in a recent McClatchy-Marist poll,
70 percent of those who identify with the Tea Party oppose cutting
Medicare and Medicaid to deal with the federal budget deficit.
http://tinyurl.com/3sej5fq
wy
2011-06-04 03:01:23 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but extend
marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education
• Immediately rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal
• Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for)
• Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%,
and 49% top rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income
• Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln)
• Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability
to 28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned
• Eliminate corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies
• Enact a financial crisis responsibility fee
• Financial speculation tax (derivatives, foreign exchange)
• Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies
• CMS program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the
president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings and
eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side
Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals starting
in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving more
than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years.
• Reduce baseline defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities,
conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion)
[...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hotter flash: Hartung failed basic math.  He thinks that the problem
will just resolve on its own without getting at the money from the
sources that have the money to fix it.
More hotter flash: The small people don't have the kind of money
needed to fix the problem, the BIG PEOPLE do.
Still hotter hotter flash: There's no way to fix the problem without
getting at the BIG PEOPLE's money.  Over two years later and the
problem still isn't fixed without BIG PEOPLE's money - that should
tell you something right there.  They've had a free ride and
capitalized very handsomely for quite a while now at everyone's
expense, so now the BIG PEOPLE have to share in the pain.  It's the
American thing to do if you believe in your country's long-term health
and survival.
Gee, I think I'm starting to talk more like a true blue American than
Hartung ever has - and I'm Canadian!
Dude, the rich don't have enough money to fix the problem.  The
government could confiscate all, yes ALL, their income and it doesn't
put a dent in the debt.  We have almost surpassed the point where 50%
of the wage earners in this country take more than they give to the
government.  There's your problem.
Dude, the problem won't ever get fixed in a single year. And the rich
doesn't necessarily mean just people, it includes corporations who are
now considered to be people. All you'd need to do is max the tax on
them for about 15 years and then the debt will be paid off. Anything
short of that and you're only adding more years to paying off a debt
that will increase even higher still just from interest payments alone
on it, if nothing else.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2011-06-04 00:33:26 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but extend
marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education
• Immediately rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal
• Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for)
• Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%,
and 49% top rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income
• Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln)
• Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability
to 28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned
• Eliminate corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies
• Enact a financial crisis responsibility fee
• Financial speculation tax (derivatives, foreign exchange)
• Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies
• CMS program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the
president’s budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings and
eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side
Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals starting
in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving more
than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years.
• Reduce baseline defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities,
conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion)
[...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hot flash

NONE of the Republican policies worked, created the mess we're in, so
that saying "it will not work" has no credibility.
Post by David Hartung
=============================================================
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT),
Kurtis T. Nicklas
Post by David Hartung
I don't pay much attention to him these days, but I'd wager he's not
happy.
You sure as shit paid attention when you got caught
making all those late-night hang-up phone calls, didn't
ya, Nickkkkers?

CLICK ! ! !
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 01:06:10 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
• Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but extend
marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education • Immediately rescind
the upper-income tax cuts in December’s tax deal • Index the AMT for
inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for) • Schakowsky
millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%, and 49% top
rates)
• Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income •
Progressive estate tax (Sanders’ estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln) •
Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability to
28%for high earners
• Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
• Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned • Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies • Enact a financial
crisis responsibility fee • Financial speculation tax (derivatives,
foreign exchange) • Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
• Enact a public option
• Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies • CMS program
integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the president’s
budget
• Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
• Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings and
eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
• Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side
Defense Savings
• End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals starting
in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving more
than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. • Reduce baseline
defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities, conventional
forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
• Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
• Infrastructure bank
• Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hot flash
NONE of the Republican policies worked, created the mess we're in, so
that saying "it will not work" has no credibility.
And, despite David's fondest hopes, the CBO scored it as being most
effective for immediate deficit reduction.
Gary DW
2011-06-04 03:43:46 UTC
Permalink
In article <isc0e1$hf6$***@dont-email.me>, 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
says...
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
? Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but extend
marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education ? Immediately rescind
the upper-income tax cuts in December?s tax deal ? Index the AMT for
inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for) ? Schakowsky
millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%, and 49% top
rates)
? Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income ?
Progressive estate tax (Sanders? estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln) ?
Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability to
28%for high earners
? Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with
a
Post by David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
? Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned ? Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies ? Enact a financial
crisis responsibility fee ? Financial speculation tax (derivatives,
foreign exchange) ? Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
? Enact a public option
? Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies ? CMS program
integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the president?s
budget
? Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
? Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings and
eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
? Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side
Defense Savings
? End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals starting
in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving more
than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. ? Reduce baseline
defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities, conventional
forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
? Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
? Infrastructure bank
? Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hot flash
NONE of the Republican policies worked, created the mess we're in, so
that saying "it will not work" has no credibility.
And, despite David's fondest hopes, the CBO scored it as being most
effective for immediate deficit reduction.
Ja... a rightie lecturing us what won't work is like someone that keeps
wrecking shit telling the repairman he isn't doing it right.

Actually its worse than that... they blindfold the repairman and THEN
tell him what a shitty job he is doing.
--
Conservatives only mistrust government when it comes to spending money on
people they don't like. -Digby
Not Sure
2011-06-04 04:21:02 UTC
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Post by Gary DW
says...
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all.  Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget.  Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
? Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but extend
marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education ? Immediately rescind
the upper-income tax cuts in December?s tax deal ? Index the AMT for
inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for) ? Schakowsky
millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%, and 49% top
rates)
? Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income ?
Progressive estate tax (Sanders? estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln) ?
Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability to
28%for high earners
? Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with
a
Post by David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
? Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned ? Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies ? Enact a financial
crisis responsibility fee ? Financial speculation tax (derivatives,
foreign exchange) ? Reinstate Superfund taxes
Health Care
? Enact a public option
? Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies ? CMS program
integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the president?s
budget
? Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
? Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings and
eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
? Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side
Defense Savings
? End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals starting
in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving more
than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. ? Reduce baseline
defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities, conventional
forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
? Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
? Infrastructure bank
? Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hot flash
NONE of the Republican policies worked, created the mess we're in, so
that saying "it will not work" has no credibility.
And, despite David's fondest hopes, the CBO scored it as being most
effective for immediate deficit reduction.
Ja... a rightie lecturing us what won't work is like someone that keeps
wrecking shit telling the repairman he isn't doing it right.
Actually its worse than that... they blindfold the repairman and THEN
tell him what a shitty job he is doing.
How many bottles of mouthwash do you go through each day?
Post by Gary DW
--
Conservatives only mistrust government when it comes to spending money on
people they don't like.  -Digby
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 06:08:50 UTC
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Post by Gary DW
says...
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
On Fri, 03 Jun 2011 12:02:00 -0500, David Hartung
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
? Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but
extend marriage relief, credits, and
incentives for children, families, and education ? Immediately
rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December?s tax deal ? Index the
AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for) ?
Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%,
and 49% top rates)
? Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income ?
Progressive estate tax (Sanders? estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln) ?
Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability
to 28%for high earners
? Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with
a
Post by David Hartung
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
? Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned ? Eliminate
corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies ? Enact a
financial crisis responsibility fee ? Financial speculation tax
(derivatives, foreign exchange) ? Reinstate Superfund taxes Health
Care
? Enact a public option
? Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies ? CMS program
integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the president?s
budget
? Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
? Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings
and eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
? Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee
side Defense Savings
? End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals
starting in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving
more than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years. ? Reduce baseline
defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities, conventional
forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
? Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
? Infrastructure bank
? Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion) [...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
Hot flash
NONE of the Republican policies worked, created the mess we're in, so
that saying "it will not work" has no credibility.
And, despite David's fondest hopes, the CBO scored it as being most
effective for immediate deficit reduction.
Ja... a rightie lecturing us what won't work is like someone that keeps
wrecking shit telling the repairman he isn't doing it right.
Actually its worse than that... they blindfold the repairman and THEN
tell him what a shitty job he is doing.
I quit paying any attention to David's "opinions"; they're just GOP
talking points, nothing more.
Gary DW
2011-06-06 07:55:48 UTC
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In article <FpadnQzLrO4VjnTQnZ2dnUVZ_g-
***@giganews.com>, ***@hotmai*l.com,David Hartung
says...
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
A proposal which consists of tax increases, increased spending and
defense cuts.
http://grijalva.house.gov/uploads/The%20CPC%20FY2012%20Budget.pdf
[...]
Overview of Our Policies
Individual Income Tax Policies
? Allow the Bush-era tax cuts to expire at the end of 2012, but extend
marriage relief, credits, an
incentives for children, families, and education
? Immediately rescind the upper-income tax cuts in December?s tax deal
72% approval
Post by David Hartung
? Index the AMT for inflation for a decade (the AMT patch is fully paid for)
? Schakowsky millionaire tax rates proposal (adding 45%, 46%, 47%, 48%,
and 49% top rates)
? Tax all capital gains and qualified dividends as ordinary income
? Progressive estate tax (Sanders? estate tax, repeal of Kyl-Lincoln)
? Limit the rate at which itemized deductions can reduce tax liability
to 28%for high earners
? Replace the tax exclusion for interest on state and local bonds with a
subsidy for the issuer
Corporate Tax Reform
? Tax U.S. corporate foreign income as it is earned
? Eliminate corporate welfare for oil, gas, and coal companies
? Enact a financial crisis responsibility fee
? Financial speculation tax (derivatives, foreign exchange)
? Reinstate Superfund taxes
This has high approval ratings also.
Post by David Hartung
Health Care
? Enact a public option
Close to 60% approval.
Post by David Hartung
? Negotiate Rx payments with pharmaceutical companies
? CMS program integrity and other Medicare and Medicaid savings in the
president?s budget
? Prevent a cut in Medicare physician payments for a decade (maintain
doc fix)
Social Security
? Raise the taxable maximum on the employee side to 90% of earnings and
eliminate the taxable
maximum on the employer side
? Increase benefits based on higher contributions on the employee side
Defense Savings
? End overseas contingency operations emergency supplementals starting
in Fiscal Year 2013,
providing $170 billion in FY2012 to fund redeployment, while saving more
than $1.8 trillion
from current law spending levels over ten years.
? Reduce baseline defense spending by reducing strategic capabilities,
conventional forces,
procurement, and R&D programs
Comprehensive Jobs Program
? Invest $1.45 trillion in job creation, education, clean energy and
broadband infrastructure,
housing, and R&D
Republicans think we can cut our way out of a recession.

Knowing full well it won't work.

They want Obama (and America) to fail so they can regain
power.

Its all they care about.
Post by David Hartung
? Infrastructure bank
? Surface transportation reauthorization bill ($213 billion)
[...]
Hot flash, it will not work.
You are an expert on things that don't work.
--
Before the supply siders, Dems and Repubs brought the
debt down relative to our income in 27 out of 35 years.
The supply siders (with Reagan and the Bushes) raised it
20 out of 20 years. That's no accident.
Mr.B1ack
2011-06-04 02:54:09 UTC
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Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
Back to "Let's just clean-out the Rich" ???

By now it should be obvious that that AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
Actually, it CAN'T HAPPEN. Most of that money has become
'international' over the past several decades, beyond the
reach of the US tax man, plus it's tied up in investments
of various kinds. Think Bill Gates has a big pot of gold
under his bed ??? Nope. He's part-owner of LOTS of other
commercial interests plus his own company. Take from him
and you have to cut a chunk of flesh out of all those
job-producing entities.

So, forget it. That plan is DOA. Might have sounded good
back when Lenin was alive ... but NOW .... it's crap.

Better find alternatives ... ways to get 'the rich' to
VOLUNTARILY add money to the people wallets. Can't sell
if nobody can afford to buy ... so keeping a middle class
alive and well IS in the interests of business.
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 02:31:01 UTC
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Post by Mr.B1ack
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
Back to "Let's just clean-out the Rich" ???
Someone making a million a year gets taxed for $394,000 instead of
$330,000. How many meals is he going to miss?

In the meantime, grinding the poor into the dirt with hobnailed boots is
fairer and more humane in what way, exactly?
Post by Mr.B1ack
By now it should be obvious that that AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN. Actually,
it CAN'T HAPPEN. Most of that money has become 'international' over
the past several decades, beyond the reach of the US tax man, plus
it's tied up in investments of various kinds. Think Bill Gates has a
big pot of gold under his bed ??? Nope. He's part-owner of LOTS of
other commercial interests plus his own company. Take from him and
you have to cut a chunk of flesh out of all those job-producing
entities.
In that case, it is no longer an "American interest" and America has no
reason to pay hundreds of billions for a military whose only real
function is to protect that money.
Post by Mr.B1ack
So, forget it. That plan is DOA. Might have sounded good back when
Lenin was alive ... but NOW .... it's crap.
Only because your masters have told you it must be. But we keep moving
closer and closer to 1932.
Post by Mr.B1ack
Better find alternatives ... ways to get 'the rich' to VOLUNTARILY
add money to the people wallets. Can't sell if nobody can afford to
buy ... so keeping a middle class alive and well IS in the interests
of business.
Oh, right, that's been working so well, hasn't it?
David Hartung
2011-06-04 02:43:45 UTC
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Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
Back to "Let's just clean-out the Rich" ???
Someone making a million a year gets taxed for $394,000 instead of
$330,000. How many meals is he going to miss?
In the meantime, grinding the poor into the dirt with hobnailed boots is
fairer and more humane in what way, exactly?
Grinding the poor into the dirt with hobnailed boots? Where do you get
this stuff? More to the point, such does not, and has not happened in
the USA.

You really need a new source for lines.
Y***@Jurgis.net
2011-06-04 03:37:27 UTC
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Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
In the meantime, grinding the poor into the dirt with hobnailed boots is
fairer and more humane in what way, exactly?
Grinding the poor into the dirt with hobnailed boots? Where do you get
this stuff? More to the point, such does not, and has not happened in
the USA.
Conversly, not one millionaire or business ever went broke because of
taxation prior to 1983
Post by David Hartung
You really need a new source for lines.
You really need a lesson in domestic economics.
Post by David Hartung
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT),
Kurtis T. Nicklas
Post by David Hartung
I don't pay much attention to him these days, but I'd wager he's not
happy.
You sure as shit paid attention when you got caught
making all those late-night hang-up phone calls, didn't
ya, Nickkkkers?

CLICK ! ! !
6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
2011-06-04 06:08:15 UTC
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Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
In the meantime, grinding the poor into the dirt with hobnailed boots
is fairer and more humane in what way, exactly?
Grinding the poor into the dirt with hobnailed boots? Where do you get
this stuff? More to the point, such does not, and has not happened in
the USA.
It is happening. Your country is well on it's way to being the next
India.
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Conversly, not one millionaire or business ever went broke because of
taxation prior to 1983
Post by David Hartung
You really need a new source for lines.
You really need a lesson in domestic economics.
He isn't permitted to think outside of party lines. He's a toady.
Post by Y***@Jurgis.net
Post by David Hartung
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT), Kurtis T. Nicklas
Post by David Hartung
I don't pay much attention to him these days, but I'd wager he's not
happy.
You sure as shit paid attention when you got caught making all those
late-night hang-up phone calls, didn't ya, Nickkkkers?
CLICK ! ! !
Steve
2011-06-04 11:04:42 UTC
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On Sat, 4 Jun 2011 06:08:15 +0000 (UTC), "6053 Dead, 1196 since
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by David Hartung
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
In the meantime, grinding the poor into the dirt with hobnailed boots
is fairer and more humane in what way, exactly?
Grinding the poor into the dirt with hobnailed boots? Where do you get
this stuff? More to the point, such does not, and has not happened in
the USA.
It is happening. Your country is well on it's way to being the next
India.
However there's going to be a concerted effort to change that in
2012..


Here's another stupid claim from Zepp about the
Constitution.



"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution
specifies that people have right to vote in a
presidential election pretty much takes the choice of
having [a presidential election] out of the hands of
the states."
--David B.(Zepp) Jamieson Sun, Sep 3 2006
.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/efb4fcac7b1561cb?hl=en&

...

and here's proof of Zepp's ignorance.



"Today, Electors are chosen by popular election, but
the Constitution does not mandate a popular election.
The 14th Amendment does mention the choosing of
Electors, but is relevant only when Electors are
elected by popular vote. There is similar mention
in the 24th Amendment. In other words, Electors
could be appointed by a state's legislature, or the
legislature could empower the governor to choose
electors. In some cases, state law allows for such
appointments if the popular vote cannot be used to
determine a winner, such as if election results are
contested up to federally-mandated deadlines.
.
"
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html
Steve
2011-06-04 11:04:42 UTC
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Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
Back to "Let's just clean-out the Rich" ???
Someone making a million a year gets taxed for $394,000 instead of
$330,000. How many meals is he going to miss?
David (Zepp) Jamieson probably dreams all night about the absurdity
that he should be able to take other people's money because he needs
it more than they do...


Here's another stupid claim from Zepp about the
Constitution.



"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution
specifies that people have right to vote in a
presidential election pretty much takes the choice of
having [a presidential election] out of the hands of
the states."
--David B.(Zepp) Jamieson Sun, Sep 3 2006
.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/efb4fcac7b1561cb?hl=en&

...

and here's proof of Zepp's ignorance.



"Today, Electors are chosen by popular election, but
the Constitution does not mandate a popular election.
The 14th Amendment does mention the choosing of
Electors, but is relevant only when Electors are
elected by popular vote. There is similar mention
in the 24th Amendment. In other words, Electors
could be appointed by a state's legislature, or the
legislature could empower the governor to choose
electors. In some cases, state law allows for such
appointments if the popular vote cannot be used to
determine a winner, such as if election results are
contested up to federally-mandated deadlines.
.
"
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html
Y***@Jurgis.net
2011-06-04 03:36:29 UTC
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Post by Mr.B1ack
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
Back to "Let's just clean-out the Rich" ???
Betcha can't name a single corporation of fatcat that was "cleaned
out" by taxation prior to mcReagan's and bush's tax cuts.

Millionaires kept being millionaires, Businesses kept starting
businesses, corporations still raked in money. Even during the
so-called "malaise" of the Oil Embargo's aftermath in the late 70's
and early 80's

Not one fucking millionaire ever went broke because of taxation
Post by Mr.B1ack
By now it should be obvious that that AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
Actually, it CAN'T HAPPEN. Most of that money has become
'international' over the past several decades
Exactly. GOP deregulation was the cause.
Post by Mr.B1ack
So, forget it. That plan is DOA. Might have sounded good
back when Lenin was alive ... but NOW .... it's crap.
Why did it work so well before reagan?
Post by Mr.B1ack
Better find alternatives ... ways to get 'the rich' to
VOLUNTARILY add money to the people wallets.
Don't want the rich to "add to wallets" you simple idiot

We want those who own 95% of ALL the wealth to pay a commeasurate
share of that wealth---which WAS happening prior to 1983
Post by Mr.B1ack
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 16:32:34 -0700 (PDT),
Kurtis T. Nicklas
Post by Mr.B1ack
I don't pay much attention to him these days, but I'd wager he's not
happy.
You sure as shit paid attention when you got caught
making all those late-night hang-up phone calls, didn't
ya, Nickkkkers?

CLICK ! ! !
Ray Fischer
2011-06-04 05:07:04 UTC
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Post by Mr.B1ack
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
Back to "Let's just clean-out the Rich" ???
LOL! You must be really desperate to try such a pathetic whine.
The rich pay LOWER tax rates than most of the rest of us, and have
seen their wealth increase much faster than the rest of us, but you
try to claim that they're suffering SOOO badly.

What a joke you rightards have become.
--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
***@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal
Steve
2011-06-04 10:54:02 UTC
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Post by Mr.B1ack
Post by 6053 Dead, 1196 since 1/20/09
Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
Not at all. Just another GOP rip off for the rich.
Go look at the progessive caucus' budget. Get back to us.
Back to "Let's just clean-out the Rich" ???
By now it should be obvious that that AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN.
Actually, it CAN'T HAPPEN. Most of that money has become
'international' over the past several decades, beyond the
reach of the US tax man, plus it's tied up in investments
of various kinds. Think Bill Gates has a big pot of gold
under his bed ??? Nope. He's part-owner of LOTS of other
commercial interests plus his own company. Take from him
and you have to cut a chunk of flesh out of all those
job-producing entities.
So, forget it. That plan is DOA. Might have sounded good
back when Lenin was alive ... but NOW .... it's crap.
It's never sounded good, even back when the "tools of production"
consisted of rocks and sticks and animal sinew, because even back
then, no self-respecting individual would stand idly by while his
"production" was confiscated and handed out to the lazy oafs who spent
all their time drawing on the cave walls.
Post by Mr.B1ack
Better find alternatives ... ways to get 'the rich' to
VOLUNTARILY add money to the people wallets.
Such as with a paycheck....
Post by Mr.B1ack
Can't sell
if nobody can afford to buy ... so keeping a middle class
alive and well IS in the interests of business.
Here's another stupid claim from Zepp about the
Constitution.



"Incidently, the fact that the Constitution
specifies that people have right to vote in a
presidential election pretty much takes the choice of
having [a presidential election] out of the hands of
the states."
--David B.(Zepp) Jamieson Sun, Sep 3 2006
.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.society.liberalism/msg/efb4fcac7b1561cb?hl=en&

...

and here's proof of Zepp's ignorance.



"Today, Electors are chosen by popular election, but
the Constitution does not mandate a popular election.
The 14th Amendment does mention the choosing of
Electors, but is relevant only when Electors are
elected by popular vote. There is similar mention
in the 24th Amendment. In other words, Electors
could be appointed by a state's legislature, or the
legislature could empower the governor to choose
electors. In some cases, state law allows for such
appointments if the popular vote cannot be used to
determine a winner, such as if election results are
contested up to federally-mandated deadlines.
.
"
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_elec.html
Ray Fischer
2011-06-04 05:05:26 UTC
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Post by Mr.B1ack
And NECESSARY ............
That's what the right wing thieves like to claim, but it is and always
has been nothing but a complete and total lie.
--
Ray Fischer | Mendocracy (n.) government by lying
***@sonic.net | The new GOP ideal
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