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Delta Variant Rips Through Mississippi, Leaving Heaps of Dead Trumplings In Its Wake
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Jay Sebring
2021-10-09 15:59:09 UTC
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Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Published Fri, Jul 9 20216:07 PM EDTUpdated Fri, Jul 9 20217:06 PM EDT
Rich Mendez
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Mississippi state health officials issued new guidance for elderly and
immunocompromised residents, vaccinated or unvaccinated, to avoid any
indoor mass gatherings for the next two weeks.
Mississippi is ranked last in the country in its share of adults with
at least one Covid shot and the state is also ranked last in the country
for residents age 12 and older with at least one shot.
Officials currently do not anticipate the guidance being expanded to
other age groups in the future.



Mississippi state health officials issued new guidance on Friday that
calls for state residents over the age of 65 and immunocompromised
residents, vaccinated or unvaccinated, to avoid any indoor mass gatherings
for the next two weeks amid “significant transmission” of the delta
variant over the coming weeks.

The new guidance is in place until July 26 and is not mandatory. The
guidance should instead be considered a recommendation.

“We’re not recommending any mandates. What we’re doing is we’re providing
personal recommendations for individuals who are at high risk for severe
outcomes,” Mississippi State Health Officer Dr. Thomas Dobbs said during a
press briefing Friday. “We don’t want anybody to die needlessly.”

Dobbs said he currently “does not anticipate” the guidance being expanded
to other age groups in the future.

Officials said they are starting to see significant transmission of the
delta variant that is very reminiscent of what was seen in the early days
of the pandemic. Mississippi state health epidemiologist Dr. Paul Byers
specifically highlighted church groups, school and summer programs,
funeral gatherings and workplaces as well as long-term care facilities as
areas where officials are already seeing spikes in infections.

“We have directly identified that they are the result of the delta
variant, and the transmission ... has been pretty significant,” Byers said
at the press briefing Friday.

The state is second to last to Alabama out of all states when it comes to
the percentage of the population that is fully vaccinated with two doses.
About 25% of Mississippians over age 65 are still unvaccinated, and make
up the majority of Covid deaths in the state. State health officials also
said they are seeing deaths in vaccinated residents as well, “because we
are exposing them over and over again,” Dobbs said, though it is a
miniscule percentage.
Graph shows cases, hospitalizations and deaths among vaccinated vs
unvaccinated in Mississippi from June 3 to July 1, 2021.
Graph shows cases, hospitalizations and deaths among vaccinated vs
unvaccinated in Mississippi from June 3 to July 1, 2021.
Mississippi State Health Department

Mississippi is ranked last in the country in its share of adults with at
least one Covid shot and the state is also ranked last in the country in
the percentage of residents age 12 and older with at least one shot.

“I don’t think that we’re going to have some miraculous increase in our
vaccination rate over the next few weeks, so people are going to die
needlessly,” Dobbs warned.

State health officials asked vaccinated residents to speak with others
about their experience with the vaccine in an effort to raise awareness
about the safety and efficacy of the shots.

“Let people, let your family know, let your neighbors know, let your
friends know,” Dobbs said. “There’s no more powerful message than trust
and faith for people to know how widely utilized the vaccine has been, and
understand that people are safe and excited to be protected.”
M I Wakefield
2021-10-09 20:09:13 UTC
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Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
%
2021-10-09 20:14:40 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
dead is dead
Klaus Schadenfreude
2021-10-09 20:15:17 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
So, a 99.6 recovery rate instead of 99.75?

[shiver]
NoBody
2021-10-10 13:55:24 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
Citation please.
a322x1n
2021-10-10 14:31:48 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state.
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
Citation please.
<https://connect.uclahealth.org/2021/08/20/covid-19-delta-variant-has-pro
ven-worse-than-expected/>

<https://tinyurl.com/4kspha8e>
David Hartung
2021-10-10 15:55:14 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
Citation please.
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/delta-vaiant-more-deadly-study
https://www.cmaj.ca/sites/default/files/additional-assets/site/press/cmaj.211248.pdf

Go fuck yourself, you fat lying cunt.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2021-10-10 16:18:41 UTC
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Go fuck yourself, you fat lying cunt.
Don't you wish you could DO something about him, Rudolph?

You know, like a man?

[chuckle]
M I Wakefield
2021-10-10 20:36:36 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
Citation please.
https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/delta-vaiant-more-deadly-study
https://www.cmaj.ca/sites/default/files/additional-assets/site/press/cmaj.211248.pdf
Go fuck yourself, you fat lying cunt.
Now, now.

This is "NoBody", a reasonable poster who occassionally asks for
cites, not "Nobody" (aka "Kremlin Girl"), a paid Russian troll.
Klaus Schadenfreude
2021-10-10 20:43:23 UTC
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This is "NoBody", a reasonable poster who occassionally asks for
cites, not "Nobody" (aka "Kremlin Girl"), a paid Russian troll.
You got copies of paycheck stubs?
M I Wakefield
2021-10-10 18:37:08 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
Citation please.
Among Delta cases, they found a 108 per cent increased risk for
hospitalization, 235 per cent increased risk for ICU admission and 133
per cent increased risk for death compared to the original virus
strain.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8244271/delta-variant-covid-19-strain-canadian-study/
M I Wakefield
2021-10-10 20:38:20 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
Citation please.
Among Delta cases, they found a 108 per cent increased risk for
hospitalization, 235 per cent increased risk for ICU admission and 133
per cent increased risk for death compared to the original virus
strain.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8244271/delta-variant-covid-19-strain-canadian-study/
https://www.cmaj.ca/sites/default/files/additional-assets/site/press/cmaj.211248.pdf
Watch: Kremlin Girl / Bit of Nothingness is going to piss and moan and reject
it. She is constitutionally unable to admit when she's wrong, and she is always
wrong.
"NoBody" is not "Nobody" ... different people all together.
NoBody
2021-10-14 10:47:14 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
Citation please.
Among Delta cases, they found a 108 per cent increased risk for
hospitalization, 235 per cent increased risk for ICU admission and 133
per cent increased risk for death compared to the original virus
strain.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8244271/delta-variant-covid-19-strain-canadian-study/
So far I've seen citations only for Canada. Why might that be?
Yak
2021-10-14 11:02:18 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
Siri Cruise
2021-10-14 11:54:50 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064

Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
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-hh
2021-10-14 12:10:00 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
its an illustration of how common it is for folks to not understand
the "Statistics of Large Numbers".

To put an additional 1M mortality loss into perspective, we've already lost
the equivalent of the entire population of Alaska, so an extra +1M would
be to also lose Wyoming + Vermont too.

Now we may hear them try to say "oh, but the USA is 'full', so can spare losing some",
but that's false, for the US reproduction rate is currently 1.70, which is 0.4 points (~24%)
below the equilibrium rate of 2.1 - - and this isn't new news: fertility has been below
2.1 since 1971 (50 years).

The overall US population has still been growing ... but by less than +1%/year for the
past 20 years ... because the downward trend is long term and is being masked by
increased life expectancy (+6yrs since 1975) and newly arriving immigrants.

With the "Baby Boomer" bubble now retiring & starting to die off, we're at the beginning
of a ~30 year long period where US deaths will exceed births by 1M - 1.5M per year,
which means that the US is facing a 10-15% population decline before that bubble
completes. Pragmatically, the most reliable & cheapest way to avoid this decline is
immigration policy reform to dramatically increase the numbers allowed in...the TL;DR
summary is the US needs roughly +2M/yr more than current quotas allow.


-hh
Yak
2021-10-14 13:00:50 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
-hh
2021-10-14 13:39:34 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.

Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.

The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
Here's a cite on where this number comes from:

<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>

Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
forecast that came out in early 2020 which IIRC estimated 2 million US CoVid deaths:
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.

-hh
Yak
2021-10-14 13:43:55 UTC
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Post by Yak
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.
Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.
The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>
Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.
-hh
i.e. a long winded way to say there are *not* 'heaps of dead.'
-hh
2021-10-14 17:45:04 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.
Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.
The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>
Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.
-hh
i.e. a long winded way to say there are *not* 'heaps of dead.'
Nah, you're just illustrating Harry Truman's old saying about the difference between a
recession and a depression, to trivialize the demise of others instead of it hitting your
own family:

"It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours."

Nationally, the average Covid mortality is 1 in 500 ... if you don't personally know of
anyone yet, its either because you're lucky enough to be living in a region where the
rates have been quite low, such as Vermont or Hawaii ... or you're someone who is
socially handicapped, with a significantly below average number of friends/associates,
such as being an unemployed/underemployed 45 year old troll living in your Mom's basement.
Given the intellectual shortcomings you've demonstrated, its quite clear that it isn't the former.

-hh
Yak
2021-10-14 18:06:40 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.
Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.
The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>
Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.
-hh
i.e. a long winded way to say there are *not* 'heaps of dead.'
Nah,
Yeah. Re-read the subject line. Wakefield claimed there are 'heaps of
dead' in MS. At 0.33264463573564%, the 'heaps of dead' is complete
horseshit.
Post by -hh
you're just illustrating Harry Truman's old saying about the difference between a
recession and a depression, to trivialize the demise of others instead of it hitting your
"It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours."
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
Post by -hh
the average Covid mortality is 1 in 500
Thanks for making my point.

... if you don't personally know of
Post by -hh
anyone yet, its either because you're lucky enough to be living in a region where the
rates have been quite low, such as Vermont or Hawaii ...
Personally, I know of four people who died with covid. They happened to
fall into that 0.22188062092138% The rest of us in the 99%+ are going to
be just fine.
Post by -hh
or you're someone who is
socially handicapped, with a significantly below average number of friends/associates,
such as being an unemployed/underemployed 45 year old troll living in your Mom's basement.
Given the intellectual shortcomings you've demonstrated, its quite clear that it isn't the former.
-hh
You're living proof that govt has been completely successful in
sufficiently terrorizing you into submission and compliance over
something you have a 0.22188062092138% chance of dying from. You're a
complete fool.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-14 18:22:37 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else except heart
disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified enough of it to do
something about it.
Yak
2021-10-14 18:42:28 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else except heart
disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified enough of it to do
something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something about it.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-14 23:59:49 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else except
heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified enough of
it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's of the
world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged the
pandemic as a result.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-15 00:00:11 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're
terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else except
heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified enough of
it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's of
the world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged the
pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yak
2021-10-15 10:45:19 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else except
heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified enough of
it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's of
the world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged the
pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting the
onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion that 'we
aren't doing something about it.'
Yak
2021-10-15 16:55:21 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else
except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified
enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's
of the world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged
the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting the
onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion that 'we
aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
That's a them problem. If you are vaccinated, you're fine.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-15 19:31:39 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else
except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified
enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing
something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's
of the world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged
the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting
the onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion that
'we aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
That's a them problem. If you are vaccinated, you're fine.
No. As long as the virus is allowed to spread thanks to the unvaccinated
we are all at risk of a new variant that alludes the vaccines.
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-15 17:08:59 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else
except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified
enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's of
the world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged
the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting the
onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion that 'we
aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-15 19:32:13 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Yak
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Yak
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{snip}
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else
except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified
enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's of
the world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged
the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting the
onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion that 'we
aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-15 19:59:10 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Yak
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Yak
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else
except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified
enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's of
the world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged
the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting the
onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion that 'we
aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
-hh
2021-10-15 20:53:04 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Yak
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Yak
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're
terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else
except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified
enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something
about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's of
the world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged
the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting the
onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion that 'we
aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.


-hh
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-15 20:56:47 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Yak
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Yak
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're
terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else
except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified
enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something
about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's of
the world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged
the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting the
onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion that 'we
aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
-hh
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-15 21:20:58 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?

That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-15 21:54:25 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-15 23:23:23 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655

The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652

The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-15 23:42:44 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.
It will be challenged.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655
The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652
The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
At any rate, the feds cannot force it on me.
-hh
2021-10-15 23:52:58 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:23:23 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.
It will be challenged.
They've had 50+ years to have already tried that. Don't hold your breath.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655
The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652
The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
At any rate, the feds cannot force it on me.
Which avoids the question he already posed to you:

Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by state and local governments
to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly crosses the line into fascism?

It certainly looks like you're just trying to play a game of pedantic semantics to try to
hairsplit when its okay for your freedoms to be impinged, which is solely because you
don't personally happen to like the policy ... that posture is not grounded in Rule of Law.


-hh
Siri Cruise
2021-10-16 03:15:47 UTC
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Post by -hh
Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by state and local governments
to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly crosses the line into fascism?
Because the Constitution limits the federal government. State
governments are only partially limitted by the Constitution; they
are mostly limitted by their own constitutions and other state
laws. Actual public health administration has been mostly by
states. The federal government has been mostly information
sharing, coordination, research.

The federal government has some power in public health but not as
extensive as states. It is by state law we ban all smoking in
workplaces, including resturaunts and casinos, and it is by state
law children must be vaccinated to attend school.
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-hh
2021-10-16 09:16:35 UTC
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Post by -hh
Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by state and local
governments to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly
crosses the line into fascism?
Because the Constitution limits the federal government. State
governments are only partially limitted by the Constitution; they
are mostly limitted by their own constitutions and other state
laws. Actual public health administration has been mostly by
states. The federal government has been mostly information
sharing, coordination, research.
Sure, that's the mechanism (specific to USA), but that doesn't really
address the question posed, which is that when his objection is to
having his freedoms restricted, then why does it matter which level
of government is authorized to be doing said restrictions?
Post by Siri Cruise
The federal government has some power in public health but not as
as extensive as states. It is by state law we ban all smoking in
workplaces, including resturaunts and casinos, and it is by state
law children must be vaccinated to attend school.
And the endpoint is that kids are _still_ required to get vaccinated to
attend school/etc under a government authority.


-hh
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-16 10:25:21 UTC
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Post by -hh
Sure, that's the mechanism (specific to USA), but that doesn't really
address the question posed, which is that when his objection is to
having his freedoms restricted, then why does it matter which level
of government is authorized to be doing said restrictions?
One of the leftist's goal is to have the Feds control everything.
Couple that with their goals of having a popular votr for President
and allowing everyone, even the illegals, to vote, and you have their
ultimate goal, a fascist country.
-hh
2021-10-16 11:14:50 UTC
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Post by -hh
Sure, that's the mechanism (specific to USA), but that doesn't really
address the question posed, which is that when his objection is to
having his freedoms restricted, then why does it matter which level
of government is authorized to be doing said restrictions?
One of the leftist's goal is ...
Which "side" happens to be in power varies, and has nothing to do with the
question. You've once again tried to deflect to avoid answering the question.
... you have their ultimate goal, a fascist country.
No, that's Trump, as was evidenced by his 6 Jan 21 insurrection / coup attempt.
Every last one of those traitors should be hanged.

-hh
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-16 19:52:10 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by -hh
Sure, that's the mechanism (specific to USA), but that doesn't really
address the question posed, which is that when his objection is to
having his freedoms restricted, then why does it matter which level
of government is authorized to be doing said restrictions?
One of the leftist's goal is ...
Which "side" happens to be in power varies, and has nothing to do with the
question. You've once again tried to deflect to avoid answering the question.
... you have their ultimate goal, a fascist country.
No, that's Trump, as was evidenced by his 6 Jan 21 insurrection / coup attempt.
Every last one of those traitors should be hanged.
-hh
<eyeroll> <LOL>
Siri Cruise
2021-10-16 11:12:37 UTC
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Post by -hh
Sure, that's the mechanism (specific to USA), but that doesn't really
address the question posed, which is that when his objection is to
having his freedoms restricted, then why does it matter which level
of government is authorized to be doing said restrictions?
Because republican dominant states are deleting their traditional
public health and disease control. Having won at the state he's
pissy the national government is still trying to save lives in
his state. To be honest, I no longer care what they do to
themselves and their children. Natural selection is at play; it
is crude but effective at cleaning the gene pool

Republican positions are just contrarian. Traditional public
health and vaccines could save their lives, but democratic also
do that and promote it as a good thing. Since democrats say it's
a good thing, republicans are duty bound to declare it is a bad
thing and oppose to. Republicans also tend to be children in
grown up bodies, so their position on coronavirus has all the
subtlety of a three year old having a temper tantrum.

It's also why flooded out republicans oppose carbon controls:
democrats say it's good so republicans must say it's bad.
Post by -hh
Post by Siri Cruise
The federal government has some power in public health but not as
as extensive as states. It is by state law we ban all smoking in
workplaces, including resturaunts and casinos, and it is by state
law children must be vaccinated to attend school.
And the endpoint is that kids are _still_ required to get vaccinated to
attend school/etc under a government authority.
California is twenty years ahead of rest of the country.
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Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-16 09:37:46 UTC
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Post by -hh
Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by state and local governments
to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly crosses the line into fascism?
Some people who oppose the feds usurping states rights. The big city
Demiocrats run the blue states and they want to rule the country.
-hh
2021-10-16 09:47:31 UTC
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Post by -hh
Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by state and local governments
to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly crosses the line into fascism?
Some people who oppose the feds usurping states rights.
Same people are stupid fucking morons, because the Fed isn't usurping anything:
the State/Fed delegation of powers was initially worked out ~200 years ago and
has undergone thousands of modifications/refinements since. Each update was
decided upon and vetted in its turn: go bitch at your representatives.

If you don't like the "strings" attached to Fed funds on how you're agreeing to run your
local police, schools, roads, etc ... then be principled and don't take the money.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
The big city Demiocrats run the blue states and they want to rule the country.
"Blue" creates 71% of the GDP & thus, tax revenues ... so why shouldn't they get a bigger say?



-hh
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-16 10:27:38 UTC
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 02:47:31 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by state and local governments
to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly crosses the line into fascism?
Some people who oppose the feds usurping states rights.
the State/Fed delegation of powers was initially worked out ~200 years ago and
has undergone thousands of modifications/refinements since. Each update was
decided upon and vetted in its turn: go bitch at your representatives.
If you don't like the "strings" attached to Fed funds on how you're agreeing to run your
local police, schools, roads, etc ... then be principled and don't take the money.
The "Fed funds" come from the people.
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
The big city Demiocrats run the blue states and they want to rule the country.
"Blue" creates 71% of the GDP & thus, tax revenues ... so why shouldn't they get a bigger say?
Because that's not how the country was set up, Dumbass.
Post by -hh
-hh
-hh
2021-10-16 11:14:52 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by state and local governments
to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly crosses the line into fascism?
Some people who oppose the feds usurping states rights.
the State/Fed delegation of powers was initially worked out ~200 years ago and
has undergone thousands of modifications/refinements since. Each update was
decided upon and vetted in its turn: go bitch at your representatives.
If you don't like the "strings" attached to Fed funds on how you're agreeing to run your
local police, schools, roads, etc ... then be principled and don't take the money.
The "Fed funds" come from the people.
So too does the State & municipal funds, via property, sales taxes, etc. As such, you've
once again tried to use pedantry and semantics to avoid answering the question.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
The big city Demiocrats run the blue states and they want to rule the country.
"Blue" creates 71% of the GDP & thus, tax revenues ... so why shouldn't they get a bigger say?
Because that's not how the country was set up, Dumbass.
Except for how seats in the House are largely based on population, as well as how POTUS
is effectively (not literally, due to Electoral College kludge) a popular vote of the majority.


-hh
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-16 19:51:18 UTC
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Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by state and local governments
to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly crosses the line into fascism?
Some people who oppose the feds usurping states rights.
the State/Fed delegation of powers was initially worked out ~200 years ago and
has undergone thousands of modifications/refinements since. Each update was
decided upon and vetted in its turn: go bitch at your representatives.
If you don't like the "strings" attached to Fed funds on how you're agreeing to run your
local police, schools, roads, etc ... then be principled and don't take the money.
The "Fed funds" come from the people.
So too does the State & municipal funds, via property, sales taxes, etc. As such, you've
once again tried to use pedantry and semantics to avoid answering the question.
None of it is "their" money. Making people do what "they" want by
withholding money they took from us is a very fascist thing to do.
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
The big city Demiocrats run the blue states and they want to rule the country.
"Blue" creates 71% of the GDP & thus, tax revenues ... so why shouldn't they get a bigger say?
Because that's not how the country was set up, Dumbass.
Except for how seats in the House are largely based on population, as well as how POTUS
is effectively (not literally, due to Electoral College kludge) a popular vote of the majority.
<LOL> The EC is they way things were set up, Dummy, and it's not
likely to change anytime soon.
Post by -hh
-hh
-hh
2021-10-17 00:25:35 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by state and local governments
to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly crosses the line into fascism?
Some people who oppose the feds usurping states rights.
the State/Fed delegation of powers was initially worked out ~200 years ago and
has undergone thousands of modifications/refinements since. Each update was
decided upon and vetted in its turn: go bitch at your representatives.
If you don't like the "strings" attached to Fed funds on how you're agreeing to run your
local police, schools, roads, etc ... then be principled and don't take the money.
The "Fed funds" come from the people.
So too does the State & municipal funds, via property, sales taxes, etc. As such, you've
once again tried to use pedantry and semantics to avoid answering the question.
None of it is "their" money. Making people do what "they" want by
withholding money they took from us is a very fascist thing to do.
Nope. It’s the cost of being a member of society; it’s been that way for millennia.
I most certainly never joined your fascist society that doesn't treat
people equally under the law.
Since you're flying the "Blue Lives" flag, you've just been caught in a lie.

Plus you said "No, you're a fascist no matter where you are." to Rosenbluth
when it comes to State/Local vs Fed, so you just self-nuked your own
semantic dodge attempt that you were trying to create there.
Modern governments simply use currency instead of pressed labor, etc.
If you’re going to try to imply that there’s a government doesn’t do it this way,
name them. Specifically, one that exists that gives every last citizen a line item
veto on every last government expenditure.
And silence on the challenge ... hardly a surprise, of course.
So if you’re so horribly oppressed by this “fascism” (by your very poor understanding
of the term),
<SNORT> You facsists always deny being fascists...
And yet another lame Ad Hominem name calling attempt...YA sign that "Blue" knows
that they've lost the debate on its merits, so they try to "Shoot the Messenger". Lame.
since you’re suggesting that the IS is unacceptable to you, how soon
are you going to be moving out? Let us know when you’re leaving … I’ll chip in to pay
for a guy to help you pack up your hovel.
No, I'll just continue refusing to comply..
Good luck with that. AFAC, you're YA cowardly blowhard but you can prove me wrong
by post your IRL name & address when you "refuse to comply" on your 2022 income taxes.

Or why wait? Property taxes are due quarterly, so you can announce your intent to not be
paying those w/property address (assuming, of course, that you're a homeowner).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
The big city Demiocrats run the blue states and they want to rule the country.
"Blue" creates 71% of the GDP & thus, tax revenues ... so why shouldn't they get a bigger say?
Because that's not how the country was set up, Dumbass.
Except for how seats in the House are largely based on population, as well as how POTUS
is effectively (not literally, due to Electoral College kludge) a popular vote of the majority.
<LOL> The EC is they way things were set up, Dummy, and it's not
likely to change anytime soon.
Thus why I said “kluge”: how long have you had this low of a reading comprehension level?
Amazing how "Blue" is so insecure that they can't even face up to acknowledging that they
were wrong on trivially minor stuff. And that's in addition to how he dodged on the concept
of supporting majority rule (isn't that a basic principle of Democracies, not Fascist States?).

-hh
Mitchell Holman
2021-10-17 01:51:39 UTC
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Post by -hh
On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 3:51:21 PM UTC-4, Blue Lives Matter
wro
On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 6:27:37 AM UTC-4, Blue Lives
Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 5:37:47 AM UTC-4, Blue Lives
Matt
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Why is it that you apparently consider rules imposed by
state a
nd local governments
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
to be perfectly fine, but those by the federal suddenly
crosses
the line into fascism?
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Some people who oppose the feds usurping states rights.
Same people are stupid fucking morons, because the Fed isn't
usurp
the State/Fed delegation of powers was initially worked out
~200 y
ears ago and
Post by Blue Lives Matter
has undergone thousands of modifications/refinements since.
Each u
pdate was
Post by Blue Lives Matter
decided upon and vetted in its turn: go bitch at your
representati
ves.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
If you don't like the "strings" attached to Fed funds on how
you'r
e agreeing to run your
Post by Blue Lives Matter
local police, schools, roads, etc ... then be principled and
don't
take the money.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
The "Fed funds" come from the people.
So too does the State & municipal funds, via property, sales
taxes, e
tc. As such, you've
once again tried to use pedantry and semantics to avoid answering
the
question.
None of it is "their" money. Making people do what "they" want by
withholding money they took from us is a very fascist thing to do.
Nope. It’s the cost of being a member of society; it’s b
een that way for millennia.
I most certainly never joined your fascist society that doesn't treat
people equally under the law.
Since you're flying the "Blue Lives" flag, you've just been caught in a lie.
Plus you said "No, you're a fascist no matter where you are." to
Rosenbluth when it comes to State/Local vs Fed, so you just self-nuked
your own semantic dodge attempt that you were trying to create there.
Modern governments simply use currency instead of pressed labor,
etc. If you’re going to try to imply that there’s a governmen
t doesn’t do it this way,
name them. Specifically, one that exists that gives every last
citizen a
line item
veto on every last government expenditure.
And silence on the challenge ... hardly a surprise, of course.
So if you’re so horribly oppressed by this “fascismâ
€ (by your very poor understanding
of the term),
<SNORT> You facsists always deny being fascists...
And yet another lame Ad Hominem name calling attempt...YA sign that
"Blue" knows that they've lost the debate on its merits, so they try
to "Shoot the Messenger". Lame.
since you’re suggesting that the IS is unacceptable to you, how
soon
are you going to be moving out? Let us know when you’re leaving

 I’ll chip in to pay
for a guy to help you pack up your hovel.
No, I'll just continue refusing to comply..
Good luck with that. AFAC, you're YA cowardly blowhard but you can
prove me wrong by post your IRL name & address when you "refuse to
comply" on your 2022 income taxes.
Or why wait? Property taxes are due quarterly, so you can announce
your intent to not be paying those w/property address (assuming, of
course, that you're a homeowner).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
The big city Demiocrats run the blue states and they want to
rul
e the country.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
"Blue" creates 71% of the GDP & thus, tax revenues ... so why
shou
ldn't they get a bigger say?
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Because that's not how the country was set up, Dumbass.
Except for how seats in the House are largely based on
population, as
well as how POTUS
is effectively (not literally, due to Electoral College kludge) a
pop
ular vote of the majority.
<LOL> The EC is they way things were set up, Dummy, and it's not
likely to change anytime soon.
Thus why I said “kluge”: how long have you had this low
of a reading comprehension level?
Amazing how "Blue" is so insecure that they can't even face up to
acknowledging that they were wrong on trivially minor stuff.
When he was posting here as "Steve Canyon"
he was equally famous for posting outright
lies and then running away from them.



"Fred Thompson was a lawyer, a prosecutor and a US
Congressman before he was an actor."
Steve Canyon July 22 2007. For a list of the
films Thompson was in before he was a Congressman go
to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Dalton_Thompson
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-16 00:46:56 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:23:23 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.
It will be challenged.
That's likely, and it's possible it will succeed based on the vaccine
mandate not being authorized by the statute. But, a challenge that the
mandate - and hence the law itself - unconstitutionally exceeds the
power of Congress won't succeed.
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655
The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652
The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
At any rate, the feds cannot force it on me.
As long as it doesn't affect you, WTF do you care.
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-16 09:30:17 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:46:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:23:23 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.
It will be challenged.
That's likely, and it's possible it will succeed based on the vaccine
mandate not being authorized by the statute. But, a challenge that the
mandate - and hence the law itself - unconstitutionally exceeds the
power of Congress won't succeed.
It's high time the Wickard v. Filburn decision was scaled back.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655
The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652
The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
At any rate, the feds cannot force it on me.
As long as it doesn't affect you, WTF do you care.
I'm not supposed to care if the government abuses it's power?
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-16 15:27:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:46:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:23:23 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.
It will be challenged.
That's likely, and it's possible it will succeed based on the vaccine
mandate not being authorized by the statute. But, a challenge that the
mandate - and hence the law itself - unconstitutionally exceeds the
power of Congress won't succeed.
It's high time the Wickard v. Filburn decision was scaled back.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655
The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652
The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
At any rate, the feds cannot force it on me.
As long as it doesn't affect you, WTF do you care.
I'm not supposed to care if the government abuses it's power?
If you care, your comment, "at any rate" is out of place.
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-16 19:47:05 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:27:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:46:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:23:23 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.
It will be challenged.
That's likely, and it's possible it will succeed based on the vaccine
mandate not being authorized by the statute. But, a challenge that the
mandate - and hence the law itself - unconstitutionally exceeds the
power of Congress won't succeed.
It's high time the Wickard v. Filburn decision was scaled back.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655
The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652
The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
At any rate, the feds cannot force it on me.
As long as it doesn't affect you, WTF do you care.
I'm not supposed to care if the government abuses it's power?
If you care, your comment, "at any rate" is out of place.
Sorry if you don't approve... You really are a fascist, you know..
Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-16 23:46:44 UTC
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On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 16:25:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:27:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:46:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:23:23 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.
It will be challenged.
That's likely, and it's possible it will succeed based on the vaccine
mandate not being authorized by the statute. But, a challenge that the
mandate - and hence the law itself - unconstitutionally exceeds the
power of Congress won't succeed.
It's high time the Wickard v. Filburn decision was scaled back.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655
The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652
The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
At any rate, the feds cannot force it on me.
As long as it doesn't affect you, WTF do you care.
I'm not supposed to care if the government abuses it's power?
If you care, your comment, "at any rate" is out of place.
Sorry if you don't approve... You really are a fascist, you know..
But if I were with a state government instead of the federal government,
I wouldn't be.
No, you're a fascist no matter where you are. You promote it.
Josh Rosenbluth
2021-10-17 00:19:38 UTC
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 16:25:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:27:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:46:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:23:23 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.
It will be challenged.
That's likely, and it's possible it will succeed based on the vaccine
mandate not being authorized by the statute. But, a challenge that the
mandate - and hence the law itself - unconstitutionally exceeds the
power of Congress won't succeed.
It's high time the Wickard v. Filburn decision was scaled back.
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655
The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652
The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
At any rate, the feds cannot force it on me.
As long as it doesn't affect you, WTF do you care.
I'm not supposed to care if the government abuses it's power?
If you care, your comment, "at any rate" is out of place.
Sorry if you don't approve... You really are a fascist, you know..
But if I were with a state government instead of the federal government,
I wouldn't be.
No, you're a fascist no matter where you are. You promote it.
You were the one who said vaccine requirements by the state were OK, but
by the federal government was fascist.
-hh
2021-10-17 00:27:02 UTC
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 16:25:33 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 08:27:38 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 17:46:56 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 16:23:23 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 14:20:58 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 13:53:04 -0700 (PDT), -hh
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 12:32:13 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition for
going to school.
You're a real fascist.
No, it just shows how ignorant you are: vaccination requirements for schoolchildren
started before the Civil War.
State or local requirements, Dummy. The Constitution does not give the
Feds the power to do that.
Let me get this straight. Vaccine requirements by state and local
governments are fine, but by the federal government is fascism?
Federal government over reach...
is just like Hitler (??!!).
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That being said, the Constitution permits the federal government to
require businesses that affect interstate commerce to adhere to safety
and health regulations including requiring employers to have their
employees vaccinated. It also permits the federal government to
condition education funding on having their students vaccinated.
Prove that...
The Occupational Safety Health Act of 1970, codified as 29 U.S. Code §
655 permits the Secretary of Labor to promulgate regulations for the
safe and healthy of employees. Biden has proposed using the Act to
require employers to have their employees vaccinated.
It will be challenged.
That's likely, and it's possible it will succeed based on the vaccine
mandate not being authorized by the statute. But, a challenge that the
mandate - and hence the law itself - unconstitutionally exceeds the
power of Congress won't succeed.
It's high time the Wickard v. Filburn decision was scaled back.
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https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/655
The constitutionality of the act is not in question because it is
limited to businesses affecting interstate commerce.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/29/652
The ability of the federal government to condition funding was upheld in
South Dakota v Dole.
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/483/203/
At any rate, the feds cannot force it on me.
As long as it doesn't affect you, WTF do you care.
I'm not supposed to care if the government abuses it's power?
If you care, your comment, "at any rate" is out of place.
Sorry if you don't approve... You really are a fascist, you know..
But if I were with a state government instead of the federal government,
I wouldn't be.
No, you're a fascist no matter where you are. You promote it.
You were the one who said vaccine requirements by the state were OK, but
by the federal government was fascist.
To a petulant toddler, anyone who gets in the way of their temper-tantrum is "bad" /s
Same also applies to racist old white dudes.

-hh
a322x1n
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're
terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else
except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be
terrified enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing
something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr.
Fauci's of the world that the way out of this is 'get
vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have
prolonged the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting
the onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion
that 'we aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people
vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a condition
for going to school.
You're a real fascist.
It is good and decent to force people to vaccinate. If they refuse,
they should be confined to their homes. Don't you agree?
Ted
2021-10-16 16:19:40 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're
terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else
except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be
terrified enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing
something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr.
Fauci's of the world that the way out of this is 'get
vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have
prolonged the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your putting
the onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion
that 'we aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people
vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a
condition
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for going to school.
You're a real fascist.
It is good and decent to force people to vaccinate. If they
refuse,
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they should be confined to their homes.
Don't you agree?
I'd be okay with that. But it's undeniably fascist.
a322x1n
2021-10-16 16:43:07 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what
you're
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terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything
else
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except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be
terrified enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing
something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr.
Fauci's of the world that the way out of this is 'get
vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have
prolonged the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your
putting
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Post by Yak
the onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the notion
that 'we aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people
vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a
condition
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
for going to school.
You're a real fascist.
It is good and decent to force people to vaccinate. If they
refuse,
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they should be confined to their homes.
Don't you agree?
I'd be okay with that. But it's undeniably fascist.
Too bad a lot of people here weren't around during smallpox
outbreaks when the smallpox virus was still around, or when
polio didn't have a vaccine. Perhaps this virus will mutate
enough to gain even more killing and maiming power.
a322x1n
2021-10-16 22:07:28 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what
you're
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terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything
else
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except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be
terrified enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing
something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr.
Fauci's of the world that the way out of this is 'get
vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have
prolonged the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your
putting
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Post by Yak
the onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the
notion that 'we aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a
condition
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
for going to school.
You're a real fascist.
It is good and decent to force people to vaccinate. If they
refuse,
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they should be confined to their homes.
Don't you agree?
I'd be okay with that. But it's undeniably fascist.
Too bad a lot of people here weren't around during smallpox
outbreaks when the smallpox virus was still around, or when
polio didn't have a vaccine. Perhaps this virus will mutate
enough to gain even more killing and maiming power.
You weren't around either so shut the fuck up rerun.
I was around far back enough to remember public health nailing
the quarentine signs for smallpox to people's homes in Mississippi.
I was around before the polio vaccine far back enough to remember
getting sick with it. Both of those viruses are extinct thanks
to the vaccine. But thanks to disinformation, this virus will be
around for a rather long, long, long, time.
Ted
2021-10-17 01:17:59 UTC
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what
you're
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terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than
anything
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else
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except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be
terrified enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing
something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr.
Fauci's of the world that the way out of this is 'get
vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have
prolonged the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway, your
putting
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Yak
the onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the
notion that 'we aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a
condition
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
for going to school.
You're a real fascist.
It is good and decent to force people to vaccinate. If they
refuse,
Post by a322x1n
they should be confined to their homes.
Don't you agree?
I'd be okay with that. But it's undeniably fascist.
Too bad a lot of people here weren't around during smallpox
outbreaks when the smallpox virus was still around, or when
polio didn't have a vaccine. Perhaps this virus will mutate
enough to gain even more killing and maiming power.
You weren't around either so shut the fuck up rerun.
I was around far back enough to remember public health nailing
the quarentine signs for smallpox to people's homes in Mississippi.
I was around before the polio vaccine far back enough to remember
getting sick with it. Both of those viruses are extinct thanks
to the vaccine. But thanks to disinformation, this virus will be
around for a rather long, long, long, time.
Did you have polio?
a322x1n
2021-10-17 02:16:12 UTC
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:01:27 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's
what
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you're
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terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than
anything
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else
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except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should
be
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terrified enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are
doing
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something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the
Dr.
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Fauci's of the world that the way out of this is 'get
vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and
have
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prolonged the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway,
your
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putting
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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Post by Yak
the onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the
notion that 'we aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a
condition
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
for going to school.
You're a real fascist.
It is good and decent to force people to vaccinate. If they
refuse,
Post by a322x1n
they should be confined to their homes.
Don't you agree?
I'd be okay with that. But it's undeniably fascist.
Too bad a lot of people here weren't around during smallpox
outbreaks when the smallpox virus was still around, or when
polio didn't have a vaccine. Perhaps this virus will mutate
enough to gain even more killing and maiming power.
You weren't around either so shut the fuck up rerun.
I was around far back enough to remember public health nailing
the quarentine signs for smallpox to people's homes in Mississippi.
I was around before the polio vaccine far back enough to remember
getting sick with it. Both of those viruses are extinct thanks
to the vaccine. But thanks to disinformation, this virus will be
around for a rather long, long, long, time.
Did you have polio?
I recovered, many didn't.
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's
what
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you're
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terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than
anything
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else
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except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should
be
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terrified enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are
doing
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something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the
Dr.
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Fauci's of the world that the way out of this is 'get
vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and
have
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prolonged the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway,
your
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putting
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Post by Yak
the onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the
notion that 'we aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those people
vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a
condition
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Post by Josh Rosenbluth
for going to school.
You're a real fascist.
It is good and decent to force people to vaccinate. If they
refuse,
Post by a322x1n
they should be confined to their homes.
Don't you agree?
I'd be okay with that. But it's undeniably fascist.
Too bad a lot of people here weren't around during smallpox
outbreaks when the smallpox virus was still around, or when
polio didn't have a vaccine. Perhaps this virus will mutate
enough to gain even more killing and maiming power.
You weren't around either so shut the fuck up rerun.
I was around far back enough to remember public health nailing
the quarentine signs for smallpox to people's homes in Mississippi.
I was around before the polio vaccine far back enough to remember
getting sick with it. Both of those viruses are extinct thanks
to the vaccine. But thanks to disinformation, this virus will be
around for a rather long, long, long, time.
Did you have polio?
I recovered, many didn't.
I was just reading that Joni Mitchell
is a polio survivor, good on her.
Ted
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{snip}
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Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's
what
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you're
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terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than
anything
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else
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except heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should
be
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terrified enough of it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are
doing
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something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the
Dr.
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Fauci's of the world that the way out of this is 'get
vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and
have
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Post by Blue Lives Matter
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
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prolonged the pandemic as a result.
not taking them (of course).
Yeah, I understood that to be what you meant. Anyway,
your
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Post by -hh
putting
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the onus on those who refuse to vax doesn't support the
notion that 'we aren't doing something about it.'
But, we aren't doing enough if we don't get those
people
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vaccinated.
Force them, you mean.
In the same manner we force children to be vaccinated as a
condition
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for going to school.
You're a real fascist.
It is good and decent to force people to vaccinate. If they
refuse,
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they should be confined to their homes.
Don't you agree?
I'd be okay with that. But it's undeniably fascist.
Too bad a lot of people here weren't around during smallpox
outbreaks when the smallpox virus was still around, or when
polio didn't have a vaccine. Perhaps this virus will mutate
enough to gain even more killing and maiming power.
You weren't around either so shut the fuck up rerun.
I was around far back enough to remember public health nailing
the quarentine signs for smallpox to people's homes in
Mississippi.
Post by a322x1n
Post by -hh
Post by a322x1n
I was around before the polio vaccine far back enough to
remember
Post by a322x1n
Post by -hh
Post by a322x1n
getting sick with it. Both of those viruses are extinct thanks
to the vaccine. But thanks to disinformation, this virus will be
around for a rather long, long, long, time.
Did you have polio?
I recovered, many didn't.
Good for you. It was a horrible disease.

John Baker
2021-10-17 04:45:02 UTC
Permalink
Thanks to Democrat ignorance.
The only viral things they understand are social media bitch fights.
I doubt you fully grasp "sit", "fetch" and "who's a good boy?"







AA #1898
Giver of No Fucks
Keeper of the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch
El Kabong
2021-10-17 05:36:00 UTC
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Post by a322x1n
Post by a322x1n
Post by a322x1n
Post by a322x1n
It is good and decent to force people to vaccinate. If they
refuse,
Post by a322x1n
they should be confined to their homes.
Don't you agree?
I'd be okay with that. But it's undeniably fascist.
Too bad a lot of people here weren't around during smallpox
outbreaks when the smallpox virus was still around, or when
polio didn't have a vaccine. Perhaps this virus will mutate
enough to gain even more killing and maiming power.
You weren't around either so shut the fuck up rerun.
I was around far back enough to remember public health nailing
the quarentine signs for smallpox to people's homes in Mississippi.
I was around before the polio vaccine far back enough to remember
getting sick with it. Both of those viruses are extinct thanks
to the vaccine. But thanks to disinformation, this virus will be
around for a rather long, long, long, time.
As long as the left can profit from it I guess so.
FDR was a lefty. He sure profited from the polio virus,
didn't he.
SevenOverSix
2021-10-17 03:48:29 UTC
Permalink
Ya know ... while I've supported your position
that everybody ought to get vax, at this point
I don't think that's your real objective here.
You're just another sad rabid Trump basher using
Covid as your excuse.

So, I have to plonk you ...
NoBody
2021-10-15 11:01:45 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:59:49 -0700, Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
Post by Yak
Post by Josh Rosenbluth
{snip}
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
That's a higher death rate per unit time than anything else except
heart disease and cancer. So yes, we should be terrified enough of
it to do something about it.
No, we should not be terrified of it. And, we are doing something about it.
What have we done that you think is sufficient?
Uh, three vaccines. I mean, we keep being told by the Dr. Fauci's of the
world that the way out of this is 'get vaccinated.'
Indeed, but people are insisting on taking them and have prolonged the
pandemic as a result.
Interesting that you still keep pushing that fantasy. You keep
ignoring the rising number of breakthrough cases.
-hh
2021-10-14 19:05:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.
Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.
The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>
Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.
-hh
i.e. a long winded way to say there are *not* 'heaps of dead.'
Nah,
Yeah. Re-read the subject line. Wakefield claimed there are 'heaps of
dead' in MS. At 0.33264463573564%, the 'heaps of dead' is complete
horseshit.
You're misapplying: that 0.33% is representative of the *increase* in CoVid mortality
from just the Delta variant.

For Mississippi, they've had roughly an additional 850 deaths per million from CoVid just since
March 1st, 2021 ... the second "hottest" State in the nation for that time period and their total
since onset is 3,326 per million (1 in 301), which is the highest per capita mortality rate in the nation.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
you're just illustrating Harry Truman's old saying about the difference between a
recession and a depression, to trivialize the demise of others instead of it hitting your
"It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours."
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
No, that's also been incorrectly applied, for all you've done is taken the 740,000 confirmed deaths
and divided by the 329 M total population which is an incorrect analysis: the case fatality rate (CFR)
is based on actual cases only, because there's no proof that everyone's been exposed/gotten sick
to whatever degree. As such, the CFR today is 740,000/45,560,713 = 1.62% mortality, plus there's
also millions who are disabled to some degree...IIRC, the estimates there are running up to 30%,
which means ballpark ~10 million Americans who aren't fully recovered ... so just what is the
economic cost of their medical conditions, both direct (personal) and indirect (paid by society)?
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
the average Covid mortality is 1 in 500
Thanks for making my point.
Except it doesn't, since that mortality rate is a lot higher than most other ailments.
Post by Yak
... if you don't personally know of
Post by -hh
anyone yet, its either because you're lucky enough to be living in a region where the
rates have been quite low, such as Vermont or Hawaii ...
Personally, I know of four people who died with covid. They happened to
fall into that 0.22188062092138% The rest of us in the 99%+ are going to
be just fine.
Incorrect, because there's they're not "just fine": there's increasing evidence of chronic
health conditions - aka "Long CoVid" - which incurs costs at multiple levels:

<https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/emerging-trends-among-covid-19-long-haulers-6-physicians-weigh-in.html>
<https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1>
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
or you're someone who is
socially handicapped, with a significantly below average number of friends/associates,
such as being an unemployed/underemployed 45 year old troll living in your Mom's basement.
Given the intellectual shortcomings you've demonstrated, its quite clear that it isn't the former.
You're living proof that govt has been completely successful in
sufficiently terrorizing you into submission and compliance over
something you have a 0.22188062092138% chance of dying from.
You're a complete fool.
No, I've recognized that my objectives risk from this source is materially higher
than from other risks which I'm already committed investments to minimize.

As such, to not mitigate this too would be as foolish as not using seatbelts in a
race car that you've already paid to install a rollbar, fuel cell and nomex suit.


-hh
-hh
2021-10-14 21:03:15 UTC
Permalink
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.
Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.
The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>
Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.
-hh
i.e. a long winded way to say there are *not* 'heaps of dead.'
Nah,
Yeah. Re-read the subject line. Wakefield claimed there are 'heaps of
dead' in MS. At 0.33264463573564%, the 'heaps of dead' is complete
horseshit.
You're misapplying: that 0.33% is representative of the *increase* in CoVid mortality
from just the Delta variant.
No, the 0.33% represents deaths within the population of MS.
Not according to earlier in this thread.
For Mississippi, they've had roughly an additional 850 deaths per million from CoVid just since
March 1st, 2021 ... the second "hottest" State in the nation for that time period and their total
since onset is 3,326 per million (1 in 301), which is the highest per capita mortality rate in the nation.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
you're just illustrating Harry Truman's old saying about the difference between a
recession and a depression, to trivialize the demise of others instead of it hitting your
"It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours."
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
No, that's also been incorrectly applied, for all you've done is taken the 740,000 confirmed deaths
and divided by the 329 M total population which is an incorrect analysis: the case fatality rate (CFR)
is based on actual cases only, because there's no proof that everyone's been exposed/gotten sick
to whatever degree. As such, the CFR today is 740,000/45,560,713 = 1.62% mortality, plus there's
also millions who are disabled to some degree...IIRC, the estimates there are running up to 30%,
which means ballpark ~10 million Americans who aren't fully recovered ... so just what is the
economic cost of their medical conditions, both direct (personal) and indirect (paid by society)?
Your analysis only accounts for deaths against reported cases. That's a
skewed number because not all cases are reported so we have no clue how
many actual cases exist. All you have done is guess.
Not quite. The accounting element you mention is a known limitation of the CFR methodology,
but since it is better than the alternatives, its been chosen to be the standard used by the
public health industry for decades. The reason why is because it is self-consistent between
outbreaks, which allows for relative risk comparisons to be more accurate. Other metrics
are then added, such as Excess Mortality, in making 'true' case estimates. For example,
a recent flu mortality estimate from a few years back was IIRC 80,000 estimated deaths,
which was based only 15,000 confirmed flu deaths. That's why when making relative risk
comparisons, one compares the 740,000 confirmed CoVid deaths to the 15,000 confirmed
flu deaths ... not to the 80,000 *estimated* value, because that's "Apples to Oranges" invalid.

Again, this is all "Statistics 101" stuff in this field.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
the average Covid mortality is 1 in 500
Thanks for making my point.
Except it doesn't, since that mortality rate is a lot higher than most other ailments.
Post by Yak
... if you don't personally know of
Post by -hh
anyone yet, its either because you're lucky enough to be living in a region where the
rates have been quite low, such as Vermont or Hawaii ...
Personally, I know of four people who died with covid. They happened to
fall into that 0.22188062092138% The rest of us in the 99%+ are going to
be just fine.
Incorrect, because there's they're not "just fine": there's increasing evidence of chronic
<https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/emerging-trends-among-covid-19-long-haulers-6-physicians-weigh-in.html>
<https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1>
Still too early to tell.
Not really, because there's a wealth of correlation to historical cases to make assessments
which have high confidence intervals. FYI, the same also applies for assessing potential
side effects risks from vaccines too: there's over a hundred years of applicable prior history.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
or you're someone who is
socially handicapped, with a significantly below average number of friends/associates,
such as being an unemployed/underemployed 45 year old troll living in your Mom's basement.
Given the intellectual shortcomings you've demonstrated, its quite clear that it isn't the former.
You're living proof that govt has been completely successful in
sufficiently terrorizing you into submission and compliance over
something you have a 0.22188062092138% chance of dying from.
You're a complete fool.
No, I've recognized that my objectives risk from this source is materially higher
than from other risks which I'm already committed investments to minimize.
As such, to not mitigate this too would be as foolish as not using seatbelts in a
race car that you've already paid to install a rollbar, fuel cell and nomex suit.
I never said we shouldn't mitigate.
Bullshit: your posture has been that anyone who disagrees with you has been
terrified into submission, and the fact that more Americans have died from
CoVid than in World War I & II, Korea and Vietnam combined ... is something
that you just want to trivialize as not a "heap" and just push aside.


-hh
Yak
2021-10-15 10:40:12 UTC
Permalink
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.
Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.
The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>
Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.
-hh
i.e. a long winded way to say there are *not* 'heaps of dead.'
Nah,
Yeah. Re-read the subject line. Wakefield claimed there are 'heaps of
dead' in MS. At 0.33264463573564%, the 'heaps of dead' is complete
horseshit.
You're misapplying: that 0.33% is representative of the *increase* in CoVid mortality
from just the Delta variant.
No, the 0.33% represents deaths within the population of MS.
Not according to earlier in this thread.
Yes, according to this thread. I should know, I'm the one that came up
with the number.
Post by -hh
For Mississippi, they've had roughly an additional 850 deaths per million from CoVid just since
March 1st, 2021 ... the second "hottest" State in the nation for that time period and their total
since onset is 3,326 per million (1 in 301), which is the highest per capita mortality rate in the nation.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
you're just illustrating Harry Truman's old saying about the difference between a
recession and a depression, to trivialize the demise of others instead of it hitting your
"It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours."
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
No, that's also been incorrectly applied, for all you've done is taken the 740,000 confirmed deaths
and divided by the 329 M total population which is an incorrect analysis: the case fatality rate (CFR)
is based on actual cases only, because there's no proof that everyone's been exposed/gotten sick
to whatever degree. As such, the CFR today is 740,000/45,560,713 = 1.62% mortality, plus there's
also millions who are disabled to some degree...IIRC, the estimates there are running up to 30%,
which means ballpark ~10 million Americans who aren't fully recovered ... so just what is the
economic cost of their medical conditions, both direct (personal) and indirect (paid by society)?
Your analysis only accounts for deaths against reported cases. That's a
skewed number because not all cases are reported so we have no clue how
many actual cases exist. All you have done is guess.
Not quite. The accounting element you mention is a known limitation of the CFR methodology,
but since it is better than the alternatives, its been chosen to be the standard used by the
public health industry for decades. The reason why is because it is self-consistent between
outbreaks, which allows for relative risk comparisons to be more accurate. Other metrics
are then added, such as Excess Mortality, in making 'true' case estimates. For example,
a recent flu mortality estimate from a few years back was IIRC 80,000 estimated deaths,
which was based only 15,000 confirmed flu deaths. That's why when making relative risk
comparisons, one compares the 740,000 confirmed CoVid deaths to the 15,000 confirmed
flu deaths ... not to the 80,000 *estimated* value, because that's "Apples to Oranges" invalid.
Again, this is all "Statistics 101" stuff in this field.
Yeah, quite. By necessity, to get to your numbers you're guessing.
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
the average Covid mortality is 1 in 500
Thanks for making my point.
Except it doesn't, since that mortality rate is a lot higher than most other ailments.
Post by Yak
... if you don't personally know of
Post by -hh
anyone yet, its either because you're lucky enough to be living in a region where the
rates have been quite low, such as Vermont or Hawaii ...
Personally, I know of four people who died with covid. They happened to
fall into that 0.22188062092138% The rest of us in the 99%+ are going to
be just fine.
Incorrect, because there's they're not "just fine": there's increasing evidence of chronic
<https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/emerging-trends-among-covid-19-long-haulers-6-physicians-weigh-in.html>
<https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1>
Still too early to tell.
Not really, because there's a wealth of correlation to historical cases to make assessments
which have high confidence intervals. FYI, the same also applies for assessing potential
side effects risks from vaccines too: there's over a hundred years of applicable prior history.
Yeah, really. We kind of heard the same thing early on in this pandemic
relative to mask wearing. The science kept changing because not enough
time had passed (i.e. not enough was known). It's still too early to tell.
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
or you're someone who is
socially handicapped, with a significantly below average number of friends/associates,
such as being an unemployed/underemployed 45 year old troll living in your Mom's basement.
Given the intellectual shortcomings you've demonstrated, its quite clear that it isn't the former.
You're living proof that govt has been completely successful in
sufficiently terrorizing you into submission and compliance over
something you have a 0.22188062092138% chance of dying from.
You're a complete fool.
No, I've recognized that my objectives risk from this source is materially higher
than from other risks which I'm already committed investments to minimize.
As such, to not mitigate this too would be as foolish as not using seatbelts in a
race car that you've already paid to install a rollbar, fuel cell and nomex suit.
I never said we shouldn't mitigate.
Bullshit: your posture has been that anyone who disagrees with you has been
terrified into submission, and the fact that more Americans have died from
CoVid than in World War I & II, Korea and Vietnam combined ... is something
that you just want to trivialize as not a "heap" and just push aside.
Nope, not bullshit. Just read what I said instead of what you think I
said. Your comparisons to wars is trivial and meaningless and designed
to do nothing but foster fear. You're the exact kind of sucker that the
govt loves.
Post by -hh
-hh
-hh
2021-10-15 11:29:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by Siri Cruise
Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.
Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.
The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>
Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.
-hh
i.e. a long winded way to say there are *not* 'heaps of dead.'
Nah,
Yeah. Re-read the subject line. Wakefield claimed there are 'heaps of
dead' in MS. At 0.33264463573564%, the 'heaps of dead' is complete
horseshit.
You're misapplying: that 0.33% is representative of the *increase* in CoVid mortality
from just the Delta variant.
No, the 0.33% represents deaths within the population of MS.
Not according to earlier in this thread.
Yes, according to this thread. I should know, I'm the one that came up
with the number.
Then you didn't write what you thought you did.

Because that line was your direct response to MI Wakefield when they replied to
Jay Sebring's comment on the delta variant ripping through MS.

Here's the exact text of the exchange:

JS>>> Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
JS>>> gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
MI W >> Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
you> 0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?

That's clearly addressing the elevated risk from Delta, even if your math was
only trying to apply it to just MS mortality numbers.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
For Mississippi, they've had roughly an additional 850 deaths per million from CoVid just since
March 1st, 2021 ... the second "hottest" State in the nation for that time period and their total
since onset is 3,326 per million (1 in 301), which is the highest per capita mortality rate in the nation.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
you're just illustrating Harry Truman's old saying about the difference between a
recession and a depression, to trivialize the demise of others instead of it hitting your
"It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours."
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
No, that's also been incorrectly applied, for all you've done is taken the 740,000 confirmed deaths
and divided by the 329 M total population which is an incorrect analysis: the case fatality rate (CFR)
is based on actual cases only, because there's no proof that everyone's been exposed/gotten sick
to whatever degree. As such, the CFR today is 740,000/45,560,713 = 1.62% mortality, plus there's
also millions who are disabled to some degree...IIRC, the estimates there are running up to 30%,
which means ballpark ~10 million Americans who aren't fully recovered ... so just what is the
economic cost of their medical conditions, both direct (personal) and indirect (paid by society)?
Your analysis only accounts for deaths against reported cases. That's a
skewed number because not all cases are reported so we have no clue how
many actual cases exist. All you have done is guess.
Not quite. The accounting element you mention is a known limitation of the CFR methodology,
but since it is better than the alternatives, its been chosen to be the standard used by the
public health industry for decades. The reason why is because it is self-consistent between
outbreaks, which allows for relative risk comparisons to be more accurate. Other metrics
are then added, such as Excess Mortality, in making 'true' case estimates. For example,
a recent flu mortality estimate from a few years back was IIRC 80,000 estimated deaths,
which was based only 15,000 confirmed flu deaths. That's why when making relative risk
comparisons, one compares the 740,000 confirmed CoVid deaths to the 15,000 confirmed
flu deaths ... not to the 80,000 *estimated* value, because that's "Apples to Oranges" invalid.
Again, this is all "Statistics 101" stuff in this field.
Yeah, quite. By necessity, to get to your numbers you're guessing.
Incorrect, for the 740,000 dead from CoVid (so far) isn't a guess.

Its the known confirmed body count before any modeling to try to estimate what cases were
causal which got missed for the true mortality rate total. It is not possible for the final rate to
to be less than this value.

The point here is that early on in this pandemic, some were citing the 80,000 flu deaths value
from their models to try to claim that (then) 50,000 CoVid deaths wasn't a big deal, but this
was an invalid "Apples-vs-Oranges" comparison attempt as I've already explained.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
the average Covid mortality is 1 in 500
Thanks for making my point.
Except it doesn't, since that mortality rate is a lot higher than most other ailments.
Post by Yak
... if you don't personally know of
Post by -hh
anyone yet, its either because you're lucky enough to be living in a region where the
rates have been quite low, such as Vermont or Hawaii ...
Personally, I know of four people who died with covid. They happened to
fall into that 0.22188062092138% The rest of us in the 99%+ are going to
be just fine.
Incorrect, because there's they're not "just fine": there's increasing evidence of chronic
<https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/emerging-trends-among-covid-19-long-haulers-6-physicians-weigh-in.html>
<https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1>
Still too early to tell.
Not really, because there's a wealth of correlation to historical cases to make assessments
which have high confidence intervals. FYI, the same also applies for assessing potential
side effects risks from vaccines too: there's over a hundred years of applicable prior history.
Yeah, really. We kind of heard the same thing early on in this pandemic
relative to mask wearing. The science kept changing because not enough
time had passed (i.e. not enough was known). It's still too early to tell.
No, that's not what happened, for the laws of physics don't change. What does change
are the research questions and context, and the quality of discrete experiments attempting
to answer various questions: there was a lot of quick & sloppy "studies" done which
delivered various results who later got torn to shreds when their papers underwent scientific
peer review.

TL;DR summary: masks definitely have a beneficial risk reduction, but it is not a 100% effective
"Silver Bullet" that anti-maskers are trying to insist it be: that's the disingenuous goalpost move.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
or you're someone who is
socially handicapped, with a significantly below average number of friends/associates,
such as being an unemployed/underemployed 45 year old troll living in your Mom's basement.
Given the intellectual shortcomings you've demonstrated, its quite clear that it isn't the former.
You're living proof that govt has been completely successful in
sufficiently terrorizing you into submission and compliance over
something you have a 0.22188062092138% chance of dying from.
You're a complete fool.
No, I've recognized that my objectives risk from this source is materially higher
than from other risks which I'm already committed investments to minimize.
As such, to not mitigate this too would be as foolish as not using seatbelts in a
race car that you've already paid to install a rollbar, fuel cell and nomex suit.
I never said we shouldn't mitigate.
Bullshit: your posture has been that anyone who disagrees with you has been
terrified into submission, and the fact that more Americans have died from
CoVid than in World War I & II, Korea and Vietnam combined ... is something
that you just want to trivialize as not a "heap" and just push aside.
Nope, not bullshit. Just read what I said instead of what you think I
said. Your comparisons to wars is trivial and meaningless and designed
to do nothing but foster fear.
No, it is illustrating how in the past, the public understood existential threats
and was willing to incur personal inconveniences for the overall benefit of society.
Post by Yak
You're the exact kind of sucker that the govt loves.
No, its called being a productive member of Society instead of a leeching selfish prig.

Your selfishness is just like the businesses along the US Atlantic coast shore towns
who refused to black out their boardwalk lights which were backlighting ships for the
benefit of German U-Boats. It wasn't until those ships started being sunk within a mile
of their sandy beaches and polluting them with oil did they start to realize that they
were murdering their fellow Americans ... and the general public was fingering them for it.
The problem that CoVid has is that the "smoking gun" of personal accountability isn't as obvious.

-hh
Yak
2021-10-15 12:03:56 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.
Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.
The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>
Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.
-hh
i.e. a long winded way to say there are *not* 'heaps of dead.'
Nah,
Yeah. Re-read the subject line. Wakefield claimed there are 'heaps of
dead' in MS. At 0.33264463573564%, the 'heaps of dead' is complete
horseshit.
You're misapplying: that 0.33% is representative of the *increase* in CoVid mortality
from just the Delta variant.
No, the 0.33% represents deaths within the population of MS.
Not according to earlier in this thread.
Yes, according to this thread. I should know, I'm the one that came up
with the number.
Then you didn't write what you thought you did.
Because that line was your direct response to MI Wakefield when they replied to
Jay Sebring's comment on the delta variant ripping through MS.
JS>>> Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
JS>>> gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
MI W >> Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
you> 0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
That's clearly addressing the elevated risk from Delta, even if your math was
only trying to apply it to just MS mortality numbers.
My comment was directed to Wakefield in the context of 'heaps of dead,'
which there clearly aren't.
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
For Mississippi, they've had roughly an additional 850 deaths per million from CoVid just since
March 1st, 2021 ... the second "hottest" State in the nation for that time period and their total
since onset is 3,326 per million (1 in 301), which is the highest per capita mortality rate in the nation.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
you're just illustrating Harry Truman's old saying about the difference between a
recession and a depression, to trivialize the demise of others instead of it hitting your
"It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours."
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
No, that's also been incorrectly applied, for all you've done is taken the 740,000 confirmed deaths
and divided by the 329 M total population which is an incorrect analysis: the case fatality rate (CFR)
is based on actual cases only, because there's no proof that everyone's been exposed/gotten sick
to whatever degree. As such, the CFR today is 740,000/45,560,713 = 1.62% mortality, plus there's
also millions who are disabled to some degree...IIRC, the estimates there are running up to 30%,
which means ballpark ~10 million Americans who aren't fully recovered ... so just what is the
economic cost of their medical conditions, both direct (personal) and indirect (paid by society)?
Your analysis only accounts for deaths against reported cases. That's a
skewed number because not all cases are reported so we have no clue how
many actual cases exist. All you have done is guess.
Not quite. The accounting element you mention is a known limitation of the CFR methodology,
but since it is better than the alternatives, its been chosen to be the standard used by the
public health industry for decades. The reason why is because it is self-consistent between
outbreaks, which allows for relative risk comparisons to be more accurate. Other metrics
are then added, such as Excess Mortality, in making 'true' case estimates. For example,
a recent flu mortality estimate from a few years back was IIRC 80,000 estimated deaths,
which was based only 15,000 confirmed flu deaths. That's why when making relative risk
comparisons, one compares the 740,000 confirmed CoVid deaths to the 15,000 confirmed
flu deaths ... not to the 80,000 *estimated* value, because that's "Apples to Oranges" invalid.
Again, this is all "Statistics 101" stuff in this field.
Yeah, quite. By necessity, to get to your numbers you're guessing.
Incorrect, for the 740,000 dead from CoVid (so far) isn't a guess.
You misinterpreted what I said. I'm not saying 740k dead is a guess. I
am saying that your analysis of using that number against reported cases
to draw a higher mortality rate is a guess because the number of
*actual* cases is unknown. The number of people who had/have covid is
somewhere between 240,500,000 (total cases actually reported) and
333,495,437 (population, many of whom have/may have/had covid and was
never reported). That's a damned big gap. i.e. you're guessing.

But, here is what we do know....

Population: 333,495,437
Dead: 741,893
% = 0.33
Post by -hh
Its the known confirmed body count before any modeling to try to estimate what cases were
causal which got missed for the true mortality rate total. It is not possible for the final rate to
to be less than this value.
The point here is that early on in this pandemic, some were citing the 80,000 flu deaths value
from their models to try to claim that (then) 50,000 CoVid deaths wasn't a big deal, but this
was an invalid "Apples-vs-Oranges" comparison attempt as I've already explained.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
the average Covid mortality is 1 in 500
Thanks for making my point.
Except it doesn't, since that mortality rate is a lot higher than most other ailments.
Post by Yak
... if you don't personally know of
Post by -hh
anyone yet, its either because you're lucky enough to be living in a region where the
rates have been quite low, such as Vermont or Hawaii ...
Personally, I know of four people who died with covid. They happened to
fall into that 0.22188062092138% The rest of us in the 99%+ are going to
be just fine.
Incorrect, because there's they're not "just fine": there's increasing evidence of chronic
<https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/emerging-trends-among-covid-19-long-haulers-6-physicians-weigh-in.html>
<https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1>
Still too early to tell.
Not really, because there's a wealth of correlation to historical cases to make assessments
which have high confidence intervals. FYI, the same also applies for assessing potential
side effects risks from vaccines too: there's over a hundred years of applicable prior history.
Yeah, really. We kind of heard the same thing early on in this pandemic
relative to mask wearing. The science kept changing because not enough
time had passed (i.e. not enough was known). It's still too early to tell.
No, that's not what happened, for the laws of physics don't change. What does change
are the research questions and context, and the quality of discrete experiments attempting
to answer various questions: there was a lot of quick & sloppy "studies" done which
delivered various results who later got torn to shreds when their papers underwent scientific
peer review.
TL;DR summary: masks definitely have a beneficial risk reduction, but it is not a 100% effective
"Silver Bullet" that anti-maskers are trying to insist it be: that's the disingenuous goalpost move.
Yeah, that's exactly what happened. The science changed. Period.
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
or you're someone who is
socially handicapped, with a significantly below average number of friends/associates,
such as being an unemployed/underemployed 45 year old troll living in your Mom's basement.
Given the intellectual shortcomings you've demonstrated, its quite clear that it isn't the former.
You're living proof that govt has been completely successful in
sufficiently terrorizing you into submission and compliance over
something you have a 0.22188062092138% chance of dying from.
You're a complete fool.
No, I've recognized that my objectives risk from this source is materially higher
than from other risks which I'm already committed investments to minimize.
As such, to not mitigate this too would be as foolish as not using seatbelts in a
race car that you've already paid to install a rollbar, fuel cell and nomex suit.
I never said we shouldn't mitigate.
Bullshit: your posture has been that anyone who disagrees with you has been
terrified into submission, and the fact that more Americans have died from
CoVid than in World War I & II, Korea and Vietnam combined ... is something
that you just want to trivialize as not a "heap" and just push aside.
Nope, not bullshit. Just read what I said instead of what you think I
said. Your comparisons to wars is trivial and meaningless and designed
to do nothing but foster fear.
No, it is illustrating how in the past, the public understood existential threats
and was willing to incur personal inconveniences for the overall benefit of society.
Post by Yak
You're the exact kind of sucker that the govt loves.
No, its called being a productive member of Society instead of a leeching selfish prig.
Your selfishness is just like the businesses along the US Atlantic coast shore towns
who refused to black out their boardwalk lights which were backlighting ships for the
benefit of German U-Boats. It wasn't until those ships started being sunk within a mile
of their sandy beaches and polluting them with oil did they start to realize that they
were murdering their fellow Americans ... and the general public was fingering them for it.
The problem that CoVid has is that the "smoking gun" of personal accountability isn't as obvious.
You couldn't have come up with a more poor comparison if you tried. You
fell into the fear trap.
Post by -hh
-hh
-hh
2021-10-15 16:09:31 UTC
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Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
Incorrect interpretation.
Siri illustrated the "what's the worst that can happen?", which is a projection
of the difference, since Delta hasn't disseminated across the entire population yet.
The analysis to date which has been done is that 90,000 Americans have already died
unnecessarily, from a combination of vaccine denial/refusal in the context of CoVid
mortality rates ... including how Delta is ~33% more lethal ... for June - Sept 2021.
<https://www.healthsystemtracker.org/brief/covid19-and-other-leading-causes-of-death-in-the-us/>
Of course, modeling of future outcomes like this are statistical, not deterministic,
because their role is to inform policies going forward which have the opportunity
to influence and change that future. This is basically the same as the "if we do nothing"
since there were lockdowns+PPE+etc enacted, that potential future was averted.
This sort of risk assessment isn't anything new or profound: its just like how on a winter's
day a look outside at the snowstorm makes you decide to not go out for a drive to wherever.
-hh
i.e. a long winded way to say there are *not* 'heaps of dead.'
Nah,
Yeah. Re-read the subject line. Wakefield claimed there are 'heaps of
dead' in MS. At 0.33264463573564%, the 'heaps of dead' is complete
horseshit.
You're misapplying: that 0.33% is representative of the *increase* in CoVid mortality
from just the Delta variant.
No, the 0.33% represents deaths within the population of MS.
Not according to earlier in this thread.
Yes, according to this thread. I should know, I'm the one that came up
with the number.
Then you didn't write what you thought you did.
Because that line was your direct response to MI Wakefield when they replied to
Jay Sebring's comment on the delta variant ripping through MS.
JS>>> Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
JS>>> gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
MI W >> Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
you> 0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
That's clearly addressing the elevated risk from Delta, even if your math was
only trying to apply it to just MS mortality numbers.
My comment was directed to Wakefield in the context of 'heaps of dead,'
which there clearly aren't.
No, you’ve avoided using any objective definition or criteria. We’ve already
seen it compared to war dead, to rates per population, to leading causes,
to afford context, as well as Truman’s observation of personal perception.
Your retort has been nothing more than a childish “no”, without any rationale.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
For Mississippi, they've had roughly an additional 850 deaths per million from CoVid just since
March 1st, 2021 ... the second "hottest" State in the nation for that time period and their total
since onset is 3,326 per million (1 in 301), which is the highest per capita mortality rate in the nation.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
you're just illustrating Harry Truman's old saying about the difference between a
recession and a depression, to trivialize the demise of others instead of it hitting your
"It's a recession when your neighbor loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours."
Nationally,
...the death rate is 0.22188062092138% That's what you're terrified of.
No, that's also been incorrectly applied, for all you've done is taken the 740,000 confirmed deaths
and divided by the 329 M total population which is an incorrect analysis: the case fatality rate (CFR)
is based on actual cases only, because there's no proof that everyone's been exposed/gotten sick
to whatever degree. As such, the CFR today is 740,000/45,560,713 = 1.62% mortality, plus there's
also millions who are disabled to some degree...IIRC, the estimates there are running up to 30%,
which means ballpark ~10 million Americans who aren't fully recovered ... so just what is the
economic cost of their medical conditions, both direct (personal) and indirect (paid by society)?
Your analysis only accounts for deaths against reported cases. That's a
skewed number because not all cases are reported so we have no clue how
many actual cases exist. All you have done is guess.
Not quite. The accounting element you mention is a known limitation of the CFR methodology,
but since it is better than the alternatives, its been chosen to be the standard used by the
public health industry for decades. The reason why is because it is self-consistent between
outbreaks, which allows for relative risk comparisons to be more accurate. Other metrics
are then added, such as Excess Mortality, in making 'true' case estimates. For example,
a recent flu mortality estimate from a few years back was IIRC 80,000 estimated deaths,
which was based only 15,000 confirmed flu deaths. That's why when making relative risk
comparisons, one compares the 740,000 confirmed CoVid deaths to the 15,000 confirmed
flu deaths ... not to the 80,000 *estimated* value, because that's "Apples to Oranges" invalid.
Again, this is all "Statistics 101" stuff in this field.
Yeah, quite. By necessity, to get to your numbers you're guessing.
Incorrect, for the 740,000 dead from CoVid (so far) isn't a guess.
You misinterpreted what I said. I'm not saying 740k dead is a guess. I
am saying that your analysis of using that number against reported cases
to draw a higher mortality rate is a guess because the number of
*actual* cases is unknown. The number of people who had/have covid is
somewhere between 240,500,000 (total cases actually reported) and
333,495,437 (population, many of whom have/may have/had covid and was
never reported). That's a damned big gap. i.e. you're guessing.
No, you’ve crossed data.

240 million = number of CoVid cases reported **worldwide**
333 million = population of just the USA.
Post by Yak
But, here is what we do know....
Population: 333,495,437
Dead: 741,893
% = 0.33
So far. But because infections & deaths are continuing, we have proof
that not everyone of that 333M has achieved immunity, either through
vaccine or contracting the illness, to claim a conclusion. Thus, the US
CoVid case fatality rate (CFR) is used, which is currently 740K deaths
divided by the 45 million known cases:

740K / 45M = 1.6%

Similarly, the worldwide CFR is 4.9M / 240.5M = 2.04%

Essentially, the only way that your 0.33% claim could be correct is if
all cases are underreported by a factor of roughly 10:1, and with there
already being 45M US cases, it’s mathematically impossible here.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Its the known confirmed body count before any modeling to try to estimate what cases were
causal which got missed for the true mortality rate total. It is not possible for the final rate to
to be less than this value.
The point here is that early on in this pandemic, some were citing the 80,000 flu deaths value
from their models to try to claim that (then) 50,000 CoVid deaths wasn't a big deal, but this
was an invalid "Apples-vs-Oranges" comparison attempt as I've already explained.
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
the average Covid mortality is 1 in 500
Thanks for making my point.
Except it doesn't, since that mortality rate is a lot higher than most other ailments.
Post by Yak
... if you don't personally know of
Post by -hh
anyone yet, its either because you're lucky enough to be living in a region where the
rates have been quite low, such as Vermont or Hawaii ...
Personally, I know of four people who died with covid. They happened to
fall into that 0.22188062092138% The rest of us in the 99%+ are going to
be just fine.
Incorrect, because there's they're not "just fine": there's increasing evidence of chronic
<https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/emerging-trends-among-covid-19-long-haulers-6-physicians-weigh-in.html>
<https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210219/a-third-of-covid-survivors-have-long-haul-symptoms#1>
Still too early to tell.
Not really, because there's a wealth of correlation to historical cases to make assessments
which have high confidence intervals. FYI, the same also applies for assessing potential
side effects risks from vaccines too: there's over a hundred years of applicable prior history.
Yeah, really. We kind of heard the same thing early on in this pandemic
relative to mask wearing. The science kept changing because not enough
time had passed (i.e. not enough was known). It's still too early to tell.
No, that's not what happened, for the laws of physics don't change. What does change
are the research questions and context, and the quality of discrete experiments attempting
to answer various questions: there was a lot of quick & sloppy "studies" done which
delivered various results who later got torn to shreds when their papers underwent scientific
peer review.
TL;DR summary: masks definitely have a beneficial risk reduction, but it is not a 100% effective
"Silver Bullet" that anti-maskers are trying to insist it be: that's the disingenuous goalpost move.
Yeah, that's exactly what happened. The science changed. Period.
No, you didn’t understand what I said. Do you have any sort of STEM background?
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
Post by Yak
Post by -hh
or you're someone who is
socially handicapped, with a significantly below average number of friends/associates,
such as being an unemployed/underemployed 45 year old troll living in your Mom's basement.
Given the intellectual shortcomings you've demonstrated, its quite clear that it isn't the former.
You're living proof that govt has been completely successful in
sufficiently terrorizing you into submission and compliance over
something you have a 0.22188062092138% chance of dying from.
You're a complete fool.
No, I've recognized that my objectives risk from this source is materially higher
than from other risks which I'm already committed investments to minimize.
As such, to not mitigate this too would be as foolish as not using seatbelts in a
race car that you've already paid to install a rollbar, fuel cell and nomex suit.
I never said we shouldn't mitigate.
Bullshit: your posture has been that anyone who disagrees with you has been
terrified into submission, and the fact that more Americans have died from
CoVid than in World War I & II, Korea and Vietnam combined ... is something
that you just want to trivialize as not a "heap" and just push aside.
Nope, not bullshit. Just read what I said instead of what you think I
said. Your comparisons to wars is trivial and meaningless and designed
to do nothing but foster fear.
No, it is illustrating how in the past, the public understood existential threats
and was willing to incur personal inconveniences for the overall benefit of society.
Post by Yak
You're the exact kind of sucker that the govt loves.
No, its called being a productive member of Society instead of a leeching selfish prig.
Your selfishness is just like the businesses along the US Atlantic coast shore towns
who refused to black out their boardwalk lights which were backlighting ships for the
benefit of German U-Boats. It wasn't until those ships started being sunk within a mile
of their sandy beaches and polluting them with oil did they start to realize that they
were murdering their fellow Americans ... and the general public was fingering them for it.
The problem that CoVid has is that the "smoking gun" of personal accountability isn't as obvious.
You couldn't have come up with a more poor comparison if you tried. You
fell into the fear trap.
Do you own a car? And if so, is it new enough to have a backup camera?
Do you know how many/few deaths per year was the motivation for that
camera to have been required by regulation? How does than mortality risk
rate compare to just pediatric CoVid deaths? Specifically, is it higher or lower?

Because we’ve been making every car owner pay an extra $300 per vehicle
purchase, just to reduce that risk (even if they don’t have any toddlers in their
households) ever since that 2008 law went into effect.


-hh
Siri Cruise
2021-10-15 12:28:18 UTC
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It's still too early to tell.
What's a few dead children to you. As you quote Patrick Henry,
better to be sorry than safe.
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Yak
2021-10-15 12:36:25 UTC
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It's still too early to tell.
What's a few dead children to you.
Irony, compliments of the resident pro-abortion advocate.
Siri Cruise
2021-10-15 00:15:48 UTC
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I never said we shouldn't mitigate.
Why such obvious lies? Who are you trying to fool?

Or is your memory just that porous? You've revealed you don't
remember 2001. Can you remember September 2021?
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Yak
2021-10-15 10:40:51 UTC
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I never said we shouldn't mitigate.
Why such obvious lies? Who are you trying to fool?
Or is your memory just that porous? You've revealed you don't
remember 2001. Can you remember September 2021?
Says siri without any evidence.
Siri Cruise
2021-10-14 16:03:37 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
How many million does it take to make a heap?
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
x 329.500.000
= 1.096.064
Yeah, hardly anyone. Not even enough for one Texas bar shooting.
So you admit 'heaps of dead' is nothing but bullobama.
How many million does it take to make a heap?
Far more than 0.33264463573564%
M I Wakefield
2021-10-14 15:25:44 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
Covid caused the number of US deaths in 2020 to be 21% higher than
expected.


And even if you survive:

Only 30% of people who needed to be hospitalized for COVID were back
to normal about 6 months after discharge.

https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1446560064941273089

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00383-0/fulltext


After controlling for variables, a clear and concerning pattern
emerged. Portions of the brain in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2
were found to have reduced gray matter, or fewer cell bodies, in
several regions versus patients without infection. When accounting for
normal changes with age, even mild cases continued to show loss of
gray matter. The infected patients also showed cognitive decline on
performance tasks, and the specific areas impacted led the team to
suspect the possibility of increased susceptibility to aging diseases
such as dementia or Alzheimer's.

https://www.rawstory.com/think-a-mild-case-of-19-is-no-big-deal-think-again/
Rudy Canoza
2021-10-14 15:34:43 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
Covid caused the number of US deaths in 2020 to be 21% higher than
expected.
Only 30% of people who needed to be hospitalized for COVID were back
to normal about 6 months after discharge.
https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1446560064941273089
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00383-0/fulltext
After controlling for variables, a clear and concerning pattern
emerged. Portions of the brain in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2
were found to have reduced gray matter, or fewer cell bodies, in
several regions versus patients without infection. When accounting for
normal changes with age, even mild cases continued to show loss of
gray matter. The infected patients also showed cognitive decline on
performance tasks, and the specific areas impacted led the team to
suspect the possibility of increased susceptibility to aging diseases
such as dementia or Alzheimer's.
https://www.rawstory.com/think-a-mild-case-of-19-is-no-big-deal-think-again/
You can never persuade a right-wingnut, especially a neo-Nazi like Gak, of
anything using evidence and logic.
Yak
2021-10-14 15:40:59 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
Covid caused the number of US deaths in 2020 to be 21% higher than
expected.
"Than expected." Nothing about this pandemic is as expected, given the
constant changing narratives we are regularly fed.
Post by M I Wakefield
Only 30% of people who needed to be hospitalized for COVID were back
to normal about 6 months after discharge.
https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1446560064941273089
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00383-0/fulltext
After controlling for variables, a clear and concerning pattern
emerged. Portions of the brain in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2
were found to have reduced gray matter, or fewer cell bodies, in
several regions versus patients without infection. When accounting for
normal changes with age, even mild cases continued to show loss of
gray matter. The infected patients also showed cognitive decline on
performance tasks, and the specific areas impacted led the team to
suspect the possibility of increased susceptibility to aging diseases
such as dementia or Alzheimer's.
https://www.rawstory.com/think-a-mild-case-of-19-is-no-big-deal-think-again/
So, there are no 'heaps of dead.' Thanks for clarifying.
Siri Cruise
2021-10-14 16:23:59 UTC
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"Than expected." Nothing about this pandemic is as expected, given the
constant changing narratives we are regularly fed.
'Life finds a way.'

'That should be illegal.' ~~ Yak
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Yak
2021-10-14 16:38:48 UTC
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"Than expected." Nothing about this pandemic is as expected, given the
constant changing narratives we are regularly fed.
'Life finds a way.'
'That should be illegal.' ~~ Yak
Or in your case....

'Lies find a way.' ~~ Siri
M I Wakefield
2021-10-14 16:42:24 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
Covid caused the number of US deaths in 2020 to be 21% higher than
expected.
"Than expected." Nothing about this pandemic is as expected, given the
constant changing narratives we are regularly fed.
Demographers can pretty accurately predict how many people are going
to die in a year ... 21% additonal deaths is a very big deal.
Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
Only 30% of people who needed to be hospitalized for COVID were back
to normal about 6 months after discharge.
https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1446560064941273089
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00383-0/fulltext
After controlling for variables, a clear and concerning pattern
emerged. Portions of the brain in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2
were found to have reduced gray matter, or fewer cell bodies, in
several regions versus patients without infection. When accounting for
normal changes with age, even mild cases continued to show loss of
gray matter. The infected patients also showed cognitive decline on
performance tasks, and the specific areas impacted led the team to
suspect the possibility of increased susceptibility to aging diseases
such as dementia or Alzheimer's.
https://www.rawstory.com/think-a-mild-case-of-19-is-no-big-deal-think-again/
So, there are no 'heaps of dead.' Thanks for clarifying.
Over 700,000 dead so far ...in standard coffins, that's almost four
football fields stacked with bodies a hundred feet high.

That's a heap of dead.
Yak
2021-10-14 16:54:41 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
Covid caused the number of US deaths in 2020 to be 21% higher than
expected.
"Than expected." Nothing about this pandemic is as expected, given the
constant changing narratives we are regularly fed.
Demographers can pretty accurately predict how many people are going
to die in a year ... 21% additonal deaths is a very big deal.
'Demographers can pretty accurately predict how many people are going to
die in a year,' yet you just said deaths were 21% higher than expected.
A 21% miss isn't accurate.
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
Only 30% of people who needed to be hospitalized for COVID were back
to normal about 6 months after discharge.
https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1446560064941273089
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00383-0/fulltext
After controlling for variables, a clear and concerning pattern
emerged. Portions of the brain in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2
were found to have reduced gray matter, or fewer cell bodies, in
several regions versus patients without infection. When accounting for
normal changes with age, even mild cases continued to show loss of
gray matter. The infected patients also showed cognitive decline on
performance tasks, and the specific areas impacted led the team to
suspect the possibility of increased susceptibility to aging diseases
such as dementia or Alzheimer's.
https://www.rawstory.com/think-a-mild-case-of-19-is-no-big-deal-think-again/
So, there are no 'heaps of dead.' Thanks for clarifying.
Over 700,000 dead so far ...in standard coffins, that's almost four
football fields stacked with bodies a hundred feet high.
That's a heap of dead.
-hh
2021-10-14 17:36:42 UTC
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Post by M I Wakefield
Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
Covid caused the number of US deaths in 2020 to be 21% higher than
expected.
"Than expected." Nothing about this pandemic is as expected, given the
constant changing narratives we are regularly fed.
Demographers can pretty accurately predict how many people are going
to die in a year ... 21% additonal deaths is a very big deal.
'Demographers can pretty accurately predict how many people are going to
die in a year,' yet you just said deaths were 21% higher than expected.
A 21% miss isn't accurate.
How to say "I don't understand Statistics" without saying "I don't understand Statistics". /s

-hh
Rudy Canoza
2021-10-14 17:54:58 UTC
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Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
Covid caused the number of US deaths in 2020 to be 21% higher than
expected.
"Than expected." Nothing about this pandemic is as expected, given the
constant changing narratives we are regularly fed.
Demographers can pretty accurately predict how many people are going
to die in a year ... 21% additonal deaths is a very big deal.
'Demographers can pretty accurately predict how many people are going to die in
a year,' yet you just said deaths were 21% higher than expected. A 21% miss
isn't accurate.
You stupid mackerel-reeking cunt: they can accurately predict *normal* expected
deaths within a fairly narrow range, when there isn't a pandemic or some other
exogenous distortion.

God-fucking-damn, but you are the dumbest motherfucker in Usenet. You make
#ReamMeUpTheAssSnotty look like a nuclear engineer.
Post by M I Wakefield
Post by Yak
Post by M I Wakefield
Only 30% of people who needed to be hospitalized for COVID were back
to normal about 6 months after discharge.
https://twitter.com/VincentRK/status/1446560064941273089
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(21)00383-0/fulltext
After controlling for variables, a clear and concerning pattern
emerged. Portions of the brain in patients infected with SARS-CoV-2
were found to have reduced gray matter, or fewer cell bodies, in
several regions versus patients without infection. When accounting for
normal changes with age, even mild cases continued to show loss of
gray matter. The infected patients also showed cognitive decline on
performance tasks, and the specific areas impacted led the team to
suspect the possibility of increased susceptibility to aging diseases
such as dementia or Alzheimer's.
https://www.rawstory.com/think-a-mild-case-of-19-is-no-big-deal-think-again/
So, there are no 'heaps of dead.' Thanks for clarifying.
Over 700,000 dead so far ...in standard coffins, that's almost four
football fields stacked with bodies a hundred feet high.
That's a heap of dead.
Yak
2021-10-14 18:53:33 UTC
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Demographers can pretty accurately predict how many people are going
to die in a year ... 21% additonal deaths is a very big deal.
'Demographers can pretty accurately predict how many people are going to
die in a year,' yet you just said deaths were 21% higher than expected.
A 21% miss isn't accurate.
Obtuse? Or a fucking moron?
Or, you made a stupid claim (heaps of dead) that you can't back up.
Siri Cruise
2021-10-15 00:17:25 UTC
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Or, you made a stupid claim (heaps of dead) that you can't back up.
You refuse to define a 'heap' because you think that will let
everyone else to accept your lies.
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2021-10-15 10:42:44 UTC
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Or, you made a stupid claim (heaps of dead) that you can't back up.
You refuse to define a 'heap' because you think that will let
everyone else to accept your lies.
Wakefield use the term first. Up to him to define it.
Siri Cruise
2021-10-15 06:21:27 UTC
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Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
I see Wee Tucky is still your hero.


Hayes: What 25 Years Of Fox News ‘Poison’ Has Done To America
MSNBC

Chris Hayes marks 25 years of dangerous lies from Fox News:
'There is a direct pipeline from what appears on Fox News to the
absolute worst manifestations, worst behavior, worst elements of
our politics and society.'
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Blue Lives Matter
2021-10-15 08:43:48 UTC
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Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
I see Wee Tucky is still your hero.
http://youtu.be/BMLmDKwEFA0
Hayes: What 25 Years Of Fox News ‘Poison’ Has Done To America
MSNBC
'There is a direct pipeline from what appears on Fox News to the
absolute worst manifestations, worst behavior, worst elements of
our politics and society.'
msnbc??? Does anyone still tune in those woker-fruitcakes? I guess
they're doing better than lolcnn, but that's not saying much.
a322x1n
2021-10-15 11:34:54 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass
indoor gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
I see Wee Tucky is still your hero.
http://youtu.be/BMLmDKwEFA0
Hayes: What 25 Years Of Fox News ‘Poison’ Has Done To America
MSNBC
'There is a direct pipeline from what appears on Fox News to the
absolute worst manifestations, worst behavior, worst elements of
our politics and society.'
msnbc??? Does anyone still tune in those woker-fruitcakes? I guess
they're doing better than lolcnn, but that's not saying much.
I think I see your problem. MSNBC tells you what you need to hear,
the absolute truth and facts. FOX tells you what you want to hear,
lies, disinformation, hate, bigotry, intolerance, and whatever will
turn you on. You'll go through life not knowing one fact or truth.
MSNBC has a serious case of Trump derangement syndrome. They're
frightened about him and they want you to be frightened about him and
about Covid. Apparently, they're succeding with you.
Everyone should fear Trump, yes. He came very, very, close to putting
the U.S. Constitution through the shredder, and may yet still do so.
He has turned the Republican Party into something vile and degenerate
(it was easy to do). Yes, fear Trump the same way you fear a viper in
the grass.
Yak
2021-10-15 10:43:50 UTC
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:59:09 -0000 (UTC), Jay Sebring
Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
I see Wee Tucky is still your hero.
http://youtu.be/BMLmDKwEFA0
Hayes: What 25 Years Of Fox News ‘Poison’ Has Done To America
MSNBC
'There is a direct pipeline from what appears on Fox News to the
absolute worst manifestations, worst behavior, worst elements of
our politics and society.'
Chris Hayes is your authority??? Bwahahahahahahahhaha!!!!
Siri Cruise
2021-10-15 12:25:40 UTC
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Chris Hayes is your authority??? Bwahahahahahahahhaha!!!!
I see you agree with Wee Tucky to report to the police parents
with masked children. Never too many dead children for you.
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NoBody
2021-10-15 11:07:48 UTC
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Post by Jay Sebring
Mississippi health officials plead with elderly to avoid mass indoor
gatherings as delta Covid variant rips through state
Delta is 133% more lethal than classic COVID.
0.33264463573564% deaths is 'heaps of dead'?
I see Wee Tucky is still your hero.
http://youtu.be/BMLmDKwEFA0
Hayes: What 25 Years Of Fox News ‘Poison’ Has Done To America
MSNBC
MSNBC - laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh, laugh....
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