Discussion:
After Tucson, you would think the crazy gun nuts would lay low for awhile but....
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Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-01 19:37:13 UTC
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Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.

And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.

You are your own worst enemy.

Now let the whining and bitching begin......

Laugh..laugh..laugh..

TMT


NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET

NEW YORK – Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona
gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to
buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't
pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.

"After Tucson, you would think that people, particularly at a gun show
in Arizona, would have been much more careful in enforcing the law,"
he said. "That unfortunately in some cases wasn't the case."

Bloomberg has authorized similar sting operations around the country
as part of a push for tougher federal laws to help keep guns off the
streets of New York.

But in the sensitive aftermath of the shooting Jan. 8 that killed six
people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the mayor was
questioned about the time and place of his hidden-camera
investigation, a $100,000 operation conducted almost clear across the
country.

"Let me get this straight: From New York City, they are going to send
people to Arizona to look into this?" said state Sen. Ron Gould, a
Republican. "They might take a look a little closer to home if they
are concerned about guns getting in their state."

Meanwhile, Democratic Arizona state Sen. Steve Gallardo introduced a
bill Monday to require background checks for all sales at gun shows.

The operators of the Phoenix gun show where the investigators made
their buys on Jan. 23 issued a statement Monday saying all exhibitors
at its shows are required to follow state and federal gun laws.

"Mayor Bloomberg and his `task force' have no legal authority in the
state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York
City," said the statement from the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows.
"These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to
entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is
created by Bloomberg's task force."

The private investigators, wearing concealed video cameras, were sold
the 9 mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably
couldn't pass background checks.

While many sellers at gun shows are not required under federal law to
perform background checks, it is illegal for them to sell a weapon if
they have reason to believe the buyer wouldn't be able to pass one,
the mayor said.

The mayor said that without mandatory background checks, gun shows had
become "magnets for criminals," and called for federal action to close
what he said were dangerous loopholes in the law. Last week, Sen.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed federal legislation that would
require background checks for all firearm purchases at gun shows.

Jim Cavanaugh, a retired agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, where he was in charge of the Nashville
division, said he didn't believe the sales described by the mayor
were, in fact, illegal.

"It's not a prosecutable offense" because the purchasers were not
truly felons, minors or drug abusers and because they didn't tell the
sellers definitively that they were, Cavanaugh said. As for Bloomberg,
he said, "ATF has asked him not to do it and to please coordinate with
ATF if he thinks a violation is occurring."

In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department warned in a letter to City Hall
that such civilian operations risk "legal liabilities" and can
"unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal
investigations."

The mayor conceded that most illegal guns in New York City are coming
from states along the East Coast, but said the rampage in Tucson would
bring national attention to the investigation.

The city-hired investigators also obtained a Glock gun and 33-round
extended magazine similar to those authorities have said Jared
Loughner used to open fire as Giffords met with constituents outside a
supermarket.

Investigators have said Loughner legally purchased his ammunition the
morning of the attack. He had cleared a federal background check and
legally bought a Glock 19 at a big-box sporting goods store two months
earlier.

Bloomberg's office said all the investigators were Arizona residents
and broke no laws.

The mayor, who heads a national coalition of mayors advocating
stronger gun control, argues that it is necessary to bring his battle
across state lines because illegal guns from states with more lenient
rules consistently find their way onto New York City's streets.

About 90 percent of the 5,000 guns confiscated by city police last
year were from out of state, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.

An almost identical 2009 sting operation targeted seven gun shows in
Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. As a result, organizers of 35 gun shows
around the country — including the 1,300-table Big Reno Show in Nevada
— have agreed to end all no-background-check sales, Bloomberg said.

In 2006, more city-hired undercover investigators posed as gun buyers
making so-called straw purchases in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South
Carolina and Virginia, with one person filling out the paperwork for
another person's gun purchase.

ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Monday that he could not comment on
whether the agency was investigating the city's findings.

___

Associated Press writer Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix contributed to
this report.
Not Sure
2011-02-01 19:59:51 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....
There is no "us" where you're concerned, friendless. Try not to let it
keep you up at night :)

you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
Post by Too_Many_Tools
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
NEW YORK – Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona
gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to
buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't
pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.
"After Tucson, you would think that people, particularly at a gun show
in Arizona, would have been much more careful in enforcing the law,"
he said. "That unfortunately in some cases wasn't the case."
Bloomberg has authorized similar sting operations around the country
as part of a push for tougher federal laws to help keep guns off the
streets of New York.
But in the sensitive aftermath of the shooting Jan. 8 that killed six
people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the mayor was
questioned about the time and place of his hidden-camera
investigation, a $100,000 operation conducted almost clear across the
country.
"Let me get this straight: From New York City, they are going to send
people to Arizona to look into this?" said state Sen. Ron Gould, a
Republican. "They might take a look a little closer to home if they
are concerned about guns getting in their state."
Meanwhile, Democratic Arizona state Sen. Steve Gallardo introduced a
bill Monday to require background checks for all sales at gun shows.
The operators of the Phoenix gun show where the investigators made
their buys on Jan. 23 issued a statement Monday saying all exhibitors
at its shows are required to follow state and federal gun laws.
"Mayor Bloomberg and his `task force' have no legal authority in the
state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York
City," said the statement from the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows.
"These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to
entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is
created by Bloomberg's task force."
The private investigators, wearing concealed video cameras, were sold
the 9 mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably
couldn't pass background checks.
While many sellers at gun shows are not required under federal law to
perform background checks, it is illegal for them to sell a weapon if
they have reason to believe the buyer wouldn't be able to pass one,
the mayor said.
The mayor said that without mandatory background checks, gun shows had
become "magnets for criminals," and called for federal action to close
what he said were dangerous loopholes in the law. Last week, Sen.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed federal legislation that would
require background checks for all firearm purchases at gun shows.
Jim Cavanaugh, a retired agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, where he was in charge of the Nashville
division, said he didn't believe the sales described by the mayor
were, in fact, illegal.
"It's not a prosecutable offense" because the purchasers were not
truly felons, minors or drug abusers and because they didn't tell the
sellers definitively that they were, Cavanaugh said. As for Bloomberg,
he said, "ATF has asked him not to do it and to please coordinate with
ATF if he thinks a violation is occurring."
In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department warned in a letter to City Hall
that such civilian operations risk "legal liabilities" and can
"unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal
investigations."
The mayor conceded that most illegal guns in New York City are coming
from states along the East Coast, but said the rampage in Tucson would
bring national attention to the investigation.
The city-hired investigators also obtained a Glock gun and 33-round
extended magazine similar to those authorities have said Jared
Loughner used to open fire as Giffords met with constituents outside a
supermarket.
Investigators have said Loughner legally purchased his ammunition the
morning of the attack. He had cleared a federal background check and
legally bought a Glock 19 at a big-box sporting goods store two months
earlier.
Bloomberg's office said all the investigators were Arizona residents
and broke no laws.
The mayor, who heads a national coalition of mayors advocating
stronger gun control, argues that it is necessary to bring his battle
across state lines because illegal guns from states with more lenient
rules consistently find their way onto New York City's streets.
About 90 percent of the 5,000 guns confiscated by city police last
year were from out of state, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.
An almost identical 2009 sting operation targeted seven gun shows in
Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. As a result, organizers of 35 gun shows
around the country — including the 1,300-table Big Reno Show in Nevada
— have agreed to end all no-background-check sales, Bloomberg said.
In 2006, more city-hired undercover investigators posed as gun buyers
making so-called straw purchases in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South
Carolina and Virginia, with one person filling out the paperwork for
another person's gun purchase.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Monday that he could not comment on
whether the agency was investigating the city's findings.
___
Associated Press writer Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix contributed to
this report.
Rickey Minor
2011-02-01 20:04:04 UTC
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Post by Not Sure
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....
There is no "us" where you're concerned, friendless. Try not to let it
keep you up at night :)
Indeed. Both Lee Harrison and Lookout bailed.

Ya think Lee ate Lookout?
pyotr filipivich
2011-02-01 22:54:26 UTC
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I missed the Staff Meeting but the Minutes record that Not Sure
Post by Not Sure
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....
There is no "us" where you're concerned, friendless. Try not to let it
keep you up at night :)
You got to remember, he could be listening to the voices, again.
--
pyotr filipivich
Just when you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a 900lb gorilla with a flashlight!!
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-02 03:13:00 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 11:59:51 -0800 (PST), Not Sure
Post by Not Sure
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....
There is no "us" where you're concerned, friendless. Try not to let it
keep you up at night :)
You forgot about his two lesbo mommies. Both of them.
Transition Zone
2011-02-02 17:02:42 UTC
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Post by Not Sure
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....
There is no "us" where you're concerned
No, he was right. Its safe to say "us".
Bert Hyman
2011-02-02 17:10:46 UTC
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Post by Transition Zone
Post by Not Sure
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....
There is no "us" where you're concerned
No, he was right. Its safe to say "us".
Do you claim solidarity with "Too_Many_Tools?"
--
Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN ***@iphouse.com
Billary
2011-02-02 17:29:17 UTC
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Post by Bert Hyman
Post by Not Sure
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....
There is no "us" where you're concerned
No, he was right.  Its safe to say "us".
Do you claim solidarity with "Too_Many_Tools?"
--
Just another Zepp Jamiseon sockpuppet me thinks.
Rickey Minor
2011-02-01 20:20:21 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
(snip)

Hey retard, AKA TMT?
Notice how nobody was arrested, and that equally retarded Bloomberg
wasted $100K on this one "investigation" (more in the works!)while NYC
teachers are getting laid off in record numbers, and can't even get the
streets cleared of snow?

He's a "Life Long Democrat"... no wait, he "changed" into a
Republican...Hold on... NOW he say's he an "Independent!"

When did gabby get out of the hospital?
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-01 21:05:53 UTC
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Post by Rickey Minor
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
(snip)
Hey retard, AKA TMT?
Notice how nobody was arrested, and that equally retarded Bloomberg
wasted $100K on this one "investigation" (more in the works!)while  NYC
teachers are getting laid off in record numbers, and can't even get the
streets cleared of snow?
He's a "Life Long Democrat"... no wait, he "changed" into a
Republican...Hold on... NOW he say's he an "Independent!"
When did gabby get out of the hospital?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
LOL...like I said...you guys are so freaking stupid it is pathetic.

I normally wouldn't point this out but again you guys are so stupid
that it will not matter...and I will type it REALLY SLOW so you
hopefully will understand it.

"In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department warned in a letter to City Hall
that such civilian operations risk "legal liabilities" and can
"unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal
investigations." "

It is no secret that at any gun show...any gun show.... a number of
buyers and sellers are undercover ATF agents.

If you buy guns from shows on a regular basis, you have purchased a
gun from the Government...and you are on their radar.

Stupid, stupid idiots.

I added the last line just for fun. :<)

TMT
Sid9
2011-02-02 02:35:03 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
(snip)

Hey retard, AKA TMT?
Notice how nobody was arrested, and that equally retarded Bloomberg
wasted $100K on this one "investigation" (more in the works!)while NYC
teachers are getting laid off in record numbers, and can't even get the
streets cleared of snow?

He's a "Life Long Democrat"... no wait, he "changed" into a
Republican...Hold on... NOW he say's he an "Independent!"

When did gabby get out of the hospital?
.
.
.
===============
sid9 sez:

Bloomberg did an excellent job of exposing a source where any lunatic or
terrorist can buy a weapon anonymously.

....and you complain about it when you should support what he did.
===============
Jeff M
2011-02-02 02:41:07 UTC
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Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 02:53:26 UTC
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Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.

Neither do cockroaches.

Both for the same reason.

TMT
Billary
2011-02-02 02:58:32 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 03:12:44 UTC
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Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken?  BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.

They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.

Very smart people...and they do their job well.

TMT
Billary
2011-02-02 03:26:49 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken?  BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 04:20:10 UTC
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Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken?  BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?

You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.

Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law enforcement.

And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.

TMT
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-02 05:14:00 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken?  BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 07:53:21 UTC
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Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I feel sorry for your dog...no animal should have a master who is
dumber than the dog is.

TMT
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-02 15:14:45 UTC
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On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:53:21 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I feel sorry for your dog...no animal should have a master who is
dumber than the dog is.
TMT
Talk abourt dumb! That's a cat, not a dog. Do your homework before you
open that gaping maw.
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 21:10:37 UTC
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Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was
illegal. I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get
guns not otherwise available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken?  BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.
One was nudged. The two times when the comment was made that the buyer
said it was a good thing he didn't need a background check because he
would probably fail it. At that point, the seller *may* be considered as
*knowingly* selling to a prohibited possessor or someone he doubts would
pass a background check.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Scout
2011-02-02 21:38:12 UTC
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Post by RD Sandman
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was
illegal. I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get
guns not otherwise available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law
enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.
One was nudged. The two times when the comment was made that the
buyer said it was a good thing he didn't need a background check
because he would probably fail it. At that point, the seller *may*
be considered as *knowingly* selling to a prohibited possessor or
someone he doubts would pass a background check.
True, but words alone don't tell the whole story, one can say things true or
false and by the manner in which you say it lead the person to believe the
exact opposite of what you're saying. I think it's a foregone conclusion
that his agents employeed this ploy to mislead these people and yet be able
to report they told these people what they did, but in a manner that they
wouldn't believe them. It's a form of lying.
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 23:22:52 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was
illegal. I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get
guns not otherwise available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law
enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.
One was nudged. The two times when the comment was made that the
buyer said it was a good thing he didn't need a background check
because he would probably fail it. At that point, the seller *may*
be considered as *knowingly* selling to a prohibited possessor or
someone he doubts would pass a background check.
True, but words alone don't tell the whole story, one can say things
true or false and by the manner in which you say it lead the person to
believe the exact opposite of what you're saying.
That's true.... I didn't listen too closely to the video since I really
don't give a damn about Bloomberg and his antigun attempts. He has
problems a lot closer to home than Arizona.

I think it's a
Post by Scout
foregone conclusion that his agents employeed this ploy to mislead
these people and yet be able to report they told these people what
they did, but in a manner that they wouldn't believe them. It's a form
of lying.
Could be.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-03 00:41:20 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:38:12 -0500, "Scout"
Post by Scout
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was
illegal. I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get
guns not otherwise available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law
enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.
One was nudged. The two times when the comment was made that the
buyer said it was a good thing he didn't need a background check
because he would probably fail it. At that point, the seller *may*
be considered as *knowingly* selling to a prohibited possessor or
someone he doubts would pass a background check.
True, but words alone don't tell the whole story, one can say things true or
false and by the manner in which you say it lead the person to believe the
exact opposite of what you're saying. I think it's a foregone conclusion
that his agents employeed this ploy to mislead these people and yet be able
to report they told these people what they did, but in a manner that they
wouldn't believe them. It's a form of lying.
Good point. The seller could have known they were lying, which they
were. A new Yorker would stand out like a sore thumb in Arizona, or
anywhere else for that matter. Who doesn't know if they would fail a
background check? You don't "probably' fail. It isn't about
"feelings", it's pretty cut and dry.
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-03 00:38:04 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:10:37 -0600, RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was
illegal. I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get
guns not otherwise available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken?  BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.
One was nudged. The two times when the comment was made that the buyer
said it was a good thing he didn't need a background check because he
would probably fail it. At that point, the seller *may* be considered as
*knowingly* selling to a prohibited possessor or someone he doubts would
pass a background check.
The article said that the seller kept silent after those comments.
It's possible that the seller never heard them.
RD Sandman
2011-02-03 21:23:42 UTC
Permalink
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:10:37 -0600, RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was
illegal. I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to
get guns not otherwise available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken?  BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law
enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.
One was nudged. The two times when the comment was made that the
buyer said it was a good thing he didn't need a background check
because he would probably fail it. At that point, the seller *may* be
considered as *knowingly* selling to a prohibited possessor or someone
he doubts would pass a background check.
The article said that the seller kept silent after those comments.
It's possible that the seller never heard them.
In the video, it appeared that he acknowledged them...anyway the sale
continued. As far as I am concerned, it was a legal sale as it was a
private one not involving an FFL. 16 states have laws requiring FFL or
law enforcement intervention, or a permit or license to purchase and some
of those states are still big suppliers to New York. Bloomberg really
needs to look closer to home...of course, he simply wished to make a
political comment by using that prescheduled gun show in Phoenix.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Sid9
2011-02-03 22:37:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:10:37 -0600, RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was
illegal. I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to
get guns not otherwise available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law
enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.
One was nudged. The two times when the comment was made that the
buyer said it was a good thing he didn't need a background check
because he would probably fail it. At that point, the seller *may* be
considered as *knowingly* selling to a prohibited possessor or someone
he doubts would pass a background check.
The article said that the seller kept silent after those comments.
It's possible that the seller never heard them.
In the video, it appeared that he acknowledged them...anyway the sale
continued. As far as I am concerned, it was a legal sale as it was a
private one not involving an FFL. 16 states have laws requiring FFL or
law enforcement intervention, or a permit or license to purchase and some
of those states are still big suppliers to New York. Bloomberg really
needs to look closer to home...of course, he simply wished to make a
political comment by using that prescheduled gun show in Phoenix.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
.
.
.
==============================
sid9 sez:

Bloomberg can only expose what he cannot control.
NYC's gun laws are ineffective because these guns cross state lines via I-95
==============================
RD Sandman
2011-02-03 23:16:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:10:37 -0600, RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:20:10 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was
illegal. I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to
get guns not otherwise available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
You seem to know nothing about gathering evidence in respect to
ongoing investigations.
Have Barney Fife explain to you the finer details of law
enforcement.
And find a good lawyer...I think you will need one in the future.
TMT
You should do your homework before you speak.
No law was broken and nobody was busted.
One was nudged. The two times when the comment was made that the
buyer said it was a good thing he didn't need a background check
because he would probably fail it. At that point, the seller *may* be
considered as *knowingly* selling to a prohibited possessor or someone
he doubts would pass a background check.
The article said that the seller kept silent after those comments.
It's possible that the seller never heard them.
In the video, it appeared that he acknowledged them...anyway the sale
continued. As far as I am concerned, it was a legal sale as it was a
private one not involving an FFL. 16 states have laws requiring FFL or
law enforcement intervention, or a permit or license to purchase and some
of those states are still big suppliers to New York. Bloomberg really
needs to look closer to home...of course, he simply wished to make a
political comment by using that prescheduled gun show in Phoenix.
Bloomberg can only expose what he cannot control.
NYC's gun laws are ineffective because these guns cross state lines via I-95
That is a violation of federal law and outside his purview.

BTW, are you going to move your responses above the signature lines?
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Rickey Minor
2011-02-02 11:41:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
So the answer is that you have NO PROOF that any laws were broken
right?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
What was the question?
The question was, are you trying to be dumber then greg proctor?
Your answer is "yes."
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-02 05:12:29 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:12:44 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken?  BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
They are usually the ones wearing the t-shirts with the letters ATF on
the back. Who did you say they busted for breaking which law?
Laugh, laugh, laugh @ TMT and Bloomburger.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 07:52:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:12:44 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
They are usually the ones wearing the t-shirts with the letters ATF on
the back. Who did you say they busted for breaking which law?
- Show quoted text -
You watch too much television.

They are not saying.

Only idiots like you think the ATF will tell you stuff like Rush does.

TMT
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-02 15:11:48 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:52:31 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:12:44 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
They are usually the ones wearing the t-shirts with the letters ATF on
the back. Who did you say they busted for breaking which law?
- Show quoted text -
You watch too much television.
They are not saying.
Only idiots like you think the ATF will tell you stuff like Rush does.
TMT
And you live in a dream world.

Perhaps you were lucid dreaming like Loughner was, when you saw
undercover ATF agents in your lucid dream.

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2009/10/100909-atf-response-to-nyc-gun-show-report.html

FY-10-01

Contact: Office of Public Affairs
Office: (202) 648-8500

ATF Response To The City Of New York's Report "Gun Show Undercover:
Report On Illegal Sales At Gun Shows"

The following statement is from W. Larry Ford, ATF Assistant Director,
Office of Public and Government Affairs:

"ATF has received the "Report on Illegal Sales at Gun Shows" by New
York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and is reviewing it along with the
Department of Justice. ATF did not participate in the operations
conducted at the gun shows highlighted in the report, but will assess
the need to initiate any criminal investigations."

More information about ATF and its programs is available at
www.atf.gov.


Laugh, laugh, laugh @ TMT and his gun grabbing mommies.

The only one busted is YOU, with your lies above.
Billary
2011-02-02 15:48:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 23:52:31 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Boris Kapusta
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 19:12:44 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
TMT
Did ATF arrest anyone? perhaps the answer is that NO LAWS were
broken? BUSTED!!!!!!!- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
The ATF is discreete...if they did you would not know about it.
They sit and watch...and wait for the right time to act.
Very smart people...and they do their job well.
TMT
They are usually the ones wearing the t-shirts with the letters ATF on
the back. Who did you say they busted for breaking which law?
- Show quoted text -
You watch too much television.
They are not saying.
Only idiots like you think the ATF will tell you stuff like Rush does.
TMT
And you live in a dream world.
Perhaps you were lucid dreaming like Loughner was, when you saw
undercover ATF agents in your lucid dream.
http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2009/10/100909-atf-response-to-nyc-...
FY-10-01
Contact: Office of Public Affairs
Office: (202) 648-8500
Report On Illegal Sales At Gun Shows"
The following statement is from W. Larry Ford, ATF Assistant Director,
"ATF has received the "Report on Illegal Sales at Gun Shows" by New
York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, and is reviewing it along with the
Department of Justice. ATF did not participate in the operations
conducted at the gun shows highlighted in the report, but will assess
the need to initiate any criminal investigations."
More information about ATF and its programs is available atwww.atf.gov.
The only one busted is YOU, with your lies above.
Don't scare the troll away with facts. I was having sooooo much fun
with him...
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 04:23:42 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:53:26 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
What?  Like you failing to provide cites for your lies?  You have much
in common with the AssRoach.  Oh well, I guess it's time for you to
pussy out (AGAIN) rather than providing cites.  
Post by Too_Many_Tools
TMT
__
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
What cites do you want?

That you are an idiot.

Then just look at some of your past posts...plenty of cites there of
your stupidity.

TMT
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 21:43:39 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 20:23:42 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:53:26 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
The gun shows don't like the light of the world shown upon them.
Neither do cockroaches.
Both for the same reason.
What?  Like you failing to provide cites for your lies?  You have much
in common with the AssRoach.  Oh well, I guess it's time for you to
pussy out (AGAIN) rather than providing cites.  
Post by Too_Many_Tools
TMT
__
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.
What cites do you want?
You claimed I censored you.  How 'bout a cite?
You claimed a gun PDF had a virus.  Which virus was it?  How 'bout a
cite?
You claimed bullets had powder in them.  How 'bout a cite?
That'd be a good start
Post by Too_Many_Tools
That you are an idiot.
Projection noted,
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Then just look at some of your past posts...plenty of cites there of
your stupidity.
How 'bout a cite?  But, thus far, you've failed to provide cites to
back up you claims, choosing to snark, instead.  The only tool you
have remaining, is your legendary, almost superhuman ability to pussy
out.
__
The last official act of any government is the looting of the nation.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You did and you still continue to try to...tough luck on having
success.

The PFD does have a virus in it...if your checker missed it I
recommend that you get new software.

As for the bullet/powder thing that you continue to rant about...are
you bipolar?

The only pussy I see in this conversation is you...are you a bipolar
trannie?

TMT
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-02 04:56:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
I think it was to show NY crooks that it's easier to prey on citizens
of NY than it is on citizens of Arizona.
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 21:03:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.

http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb

The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the laws
that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those sellers in
Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one wants to change
that law, then work within your state to do so as 16 other states have
done.

However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of those
are included in that 16.

Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee (no
FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must do so
through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The licensee
must conduct background check as if he or she were the seller.
Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member transfers, law
enforcement, or where local authority certifies that transferee's life in
threatened.

North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first obtaining
a license from the country sheriff.

New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a firearm
without first obtaining a permit or license from the State. Thus, all
lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun shows, would be
between licensees or permitees.

Source: ATF

I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in smaller
amounts that those listed above but many of the same restrictions apply
in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey, Minnesota, Missouri, Maryland,
Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Michigan.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Sid9
2011-02-02 22:23:21 UTC
Permalink
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.

http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb

The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the laws
that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those sellers in
Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one wants to change
that law, then work within your state to do so as 16 other states have
done.

However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of those
are included in that 16.

Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee (no
FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must do so
through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The licensee
must conduct background check as if he or she were the seller.
Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member transfers, law
enforcement, or where local authority certifies that transferee's life in
threatened.

North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first obtaining
a license from the country sheriff.

New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a firearm
without first obtaining a permit or license from the State. Thus, all
lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun shows, would be
between licensees or permitees.

Source: ATF

I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in smaller
amounts that those listed above but many of the same restrictions apply
in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey, Minnesota, Missouri, Maryland,
Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Michigan.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
.
.
.
=============================
sid9 sez:

Nice laws.

They don’t work.

They are essentially meaningless as long as they are state laws.

You proved it with your list of guns that became "interstate commerce", thus
evading state laws.

Essentially, these laws are UNENFORCEABLE.

The states you list are on the I-95 corridor.

Firearms flow freely on I-95.

Guns in Idaho, Nebraska, Alaska, and such are no problem,

Guns in NYC, Washington DC, LA, Miami, Chicago are a serious problem.

====================================
Rickey Minor
2011-02-02 22:51:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb
The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the laws
that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those sellers in
Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one wants to change
that law, then work within your state to do so as 16 other states have
done.
However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of those
are included in that 16.
Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee (no
FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must do so
through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The licensee
must conduct background check as if he or she were the seller.
Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member transfers, law
enforcement, or where local authority certifies that transferee's life in
threatened.
North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first obtaining
a license from the country sheriff.
New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a firearm
without first obtaining a permit or license from the State. Thus, all
lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun shows, would be
between licensees or permitees.
Source: ATF
I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in smaller
amounts that those listed above but many of the same restrictions apply
in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey, Minnesota, Missouri, Maryland,
Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Michigan.
Even Bloomberg admitted that.
He only hired AZ people to make a badly timed, and rather sick and
pointless squeeky noise.
Scout
2011-02-03 11:58:50 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rickey Minor
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not
otherwise available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb
The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the laws
that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those sellers in
Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one wants to
change that law, then work within your state to do so as 16 other
states have done.
However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of
those are included in that 16.
Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee
(no FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must
do so through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The
licensee must conduct background check as if he or she were the
seller. Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member
transfers, law enforcement, or where local authority certifies that
transferee's life in threatened.
North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first
obtaining a license from the country sheriff.
New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a
firearm without first obtaining a permit or license from the State. Thus,
all lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun
shows, would be between licensees or permitees.
Source: ATF
I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in
smaller amounts that those listed above but many of the same
restrictions apply in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey,
Minnesota, Missouri, Maryland, Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and
Michigan.
Even Bloomberg admitted that.
He only hired AZ people to make a badly timed, and rather sick and
pointless squeeky noise.
No, he's basically using the blood of innocents to try to further his
political agenda.
RD Sandman
2011-02-03 21:29:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Scout
Post by Rickey Minor
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not
otherwise available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb
The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the
laws that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those
sellers in Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one
wants to change that law, then work within your state to do so as 16
other states have done.
However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of
those are included in that 16.
Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee
(no FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must
do so through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The
licensee must conduct background check as if he or she were the
seller. Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member
transfers, law enforcement, or where local authority certifies that
transferee's life in threatened.
North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first
obtaining a license from the country sheriff.
New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a
firearm without first obtaining a permit or license from the State.
Thus, all lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun
shows, would be between licensees or permitees.
Source: ATF
I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in
smaller amounts that those listed above but many of the same
restrictions apply in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey,
Minnesota, Missouri, Maryland, Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and
Michigan.
Even Bloomberg admitted that.
He only hired AZ people to make a badly timed, and rather sick and
pointless squeeky noise.
No, he's basically using the blood of innocents to try to further his
political agenda.
Bingo!!!
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 23:18:25 UTC
Permalink
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb
The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the laws
that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those sellers in
Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one wants to change
that law, then work within your state to do so as 16 other states have
done.
However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of those
are included in that 16.
Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee (no
FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must do so
through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The licensee
must conduct background check as if he or she were the seller.
Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member transfers, law
enforcement, or where local authority certifies that transferee's life in
threatened.
North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first
obtaining
Post by RD Sandman
a license from the country sheriff.
New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a firearm
without first obtaining a permit or license from the State. Thus, all
lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun shows, would be
between licensees or permitees.
Source: ATF
I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in smaller
amounts that those listed above but many of the same restrictions apply
in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey, Minnesota, Missouri, Maryland,
Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Michigan.
Nice laws.
They don't work.
No shit? Really?
Post by RD Sandman
They are essentially meaningless as long as they are state laws.
They can be broken just as easily if they are federal.
Post by RD Sandman
You proved it with your list of guns that became "interstate commerce",
thus evading state laws.
And federal laws. Did you conveniently forget that?
Post by RD Sandman
Essentially, these laws are UNENFORCEABLE.
The states you list are on the I-95 corridor.
No shit? Really? I only listed the top few. There are more if you go
the cite.
Post by RD Sandman
Firearms flow freely on I-95.
They flow pretty freely on most highways and interstates. I-95 is not
special.
Post by RD Sandman
Guns in Idaho, Nebraska, Alaska, and such are no problem,
Guns in NYC, Washington DC, LA, Miami, Chicago are a serious problem.
No, it's who owns them in NYC, DC, LA, Miami and Chicago who are the
serious problem.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Sid9
2011-02-02 23:23:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb
The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the laws
that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those sellers in
Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one wants to change
that law, then work within your state to do so as 16 other states have
done.
However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of those
are included in that 16.
Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee (no
FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must do so
through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The licensee
must conduct background check as if he or she were the seller.
Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member transfers, law
enforcement, or where local authority certifies that transferee's life in
threatened.
North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first
obtaining
Post by RD Sandman
a license from the country sheriff.
New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a firearm
without first obtaining a permit or license from the State. Thus, all
lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun shows, would be
between licensees or permitees.
Source: ATF
I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in smaller
amounts that those listed above but many of the same restrictions apply
in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey, Minnesota, Missouri, Maryland,
Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Michigan.
Nice laws.
They don't work.
No shit? Really?
Post by RD Sandman
They are essentially meaningless as long as they are state laws.
They can be broken just as easily if they are federal.
Post by RD Sandman
You proved it with your list of guns that became "interstate commerce",
thus evading state laws.
And federal laws. Did you conveniently forget that?
Post by RD Sandman
Essentially, these laws are UNENFORCEABLE.
The states you list are on the I-95 corridor.
No shit? Really? I only listed the top few. There are more if you go
the cite.
Post by RD Sandman
Firearms flow freely on I-95.
They flow pretty freely on most highways and interstates. I-95 is not
special.
Post by RD Sandman
Guns in Idaho, Nebraska, Alaska, and such are no problem,
Guns in NYC, Washington DC, LA, Miami, Chicago are a serious problem.
No, it's who owns them in NYC, DC, LA, Miami and Chicago who are the
serious problem.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)
....
.
===========================
sid9 sez:

Got any suggestions for reducing the firearm carnage?
============================
RD Sandman
2011-02-03 21:26:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb
The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the laws
that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those sellers in
Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one wants to change
that law, then work within your state to do so as 16 other states have
done.
However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of
those
Post by RD Sandman
are included in that 16.
Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee (no
FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must do so
through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The licensee
must conduct background check as if he or she were the seller.
Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member transfers, law
enforcement, or where local authority certifies that transferee's life
in
Post by RD Sandman
threatened.
North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first
obtaining
Post by RD Sandman
a license from the country sheriff.
New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a firearm
without first obtaining a permit or license from the State. Thus, all
lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun shows, would be
between licensees or permitees.
Source: ATF
I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in
smaller
Post by RD Sandman
amounts that those listed above but many of the same restrictions apply
in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey, Minnesota, Missouri,
Maryland,
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Michigan.
Nice laws.
They don't work.
No shit? Really?
Post by RD Sandman
They are essentially meaningless as long as they are state laws.
They can be broken just as easily if they are federal.
Post by RD Sandman
You proved it with your list of guns that became "interstate
commerce",
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
thus evading state laws.
And federal laws. Did you conveniently forget that?
Post by RD Sandman
Essentially, these laws are UNENFORCEABLE.
The states you list are on the I-95 corridor.
No shit? Really? I only listed the top few. There are more if you go
the cite.
Post by RD Sandman
Firearms flow freely on I-95.
They flow pretty freely on most highways and interstates. I-95 is not
special.
Post by RD Sandman
Guns in Idaho, Nebraska, Alaska, and such are no problem,
Guns in NYC, Washington DC, LA, Miami, Chicago are a serious problem.
No, it's who owns them in NYC, DC, LA, Miami and Chicago who are the
serious problem.
Got any suggestions for reducing the firearm carnage?
Yep, stronger enforcement of existing laws.

BTW, it would be easier to respond to you if you placed your comments
about the sig line which many readers cut off.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Sid9
2011-02-03 22:40:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not otherwise
available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb
The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the laws
that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those sellers in
Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one wants to change
that law, then work within your state to do so as 16 other states have
done.
However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of
those
Post by RD Sandman
are included in that 16.
Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee (no
FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must do so
through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The licensee
must conduct background check as if he or she were the seller.
Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member transfers, law
enforcement, or where local authority certifies that transferee's life
in
Post by RD Sandman
threatened.
North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first
obtaining
Post by RD Sandman
a license from the country sheriff.
New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a firearm
without first obtaining a permit or license from the State. Thus, all
lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun shows, would be
between licensees or permitees.
Source: ATF
I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in
smaller
Post by RD Sandman
amounts that those listed above but many of the same restrictions apply
in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey, Minnesota, Missouri,
Maryland,
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Michigan.
Nice laws.
They don't work.
No shit? Really?
Post by RD Sandman
They are essentially meaningless as long as they are state laws.
They can be broken just as easily if they are federal.
Post by RD Sandman
You proved it with your list of guns that became "interstate
commerce",
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
thus evading state laws.
And federal laws. Did you conveniently forget that?
Post by RD Sandman
Essentially, these laws are UNENFORCEABLE.
The states you list are on the I-95 corridor.
No shit? Really? I only listed the top few. There are more if you go
the cite.
Post by RD Sandman
Firearms flow freely on I-95.
They flow pretty freely on most highways and interstates. I-95 is not
special.
Post by RD Sandman
Guns in Idaho, Nebraska, Alaska, and such are no problem,
Guns in NYC, Washington DC, LA, Miami, Chicago are a serious problem.
No, it's who owns them in NYC, DC, LA, Miami and Chicago who are the
serious problem.
Got any suggestions for reducing the firearm carnage?
Yep, stronger enforcement of existing laws.

BTW, it would be easier to respond to you if you placed your comments
about the sig line which many readers cut off.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
.
.
.
======================
sid9 sez:

Windows Live Mail 2011 neither indents nor does it add ">" to included
messages.
I use the "=" sign to delineate my post.

"Enforcement"...at least we agree on one point.....yet the holes are large.
======================
RD Sandman
2011-02-03 23:18:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rickey Minor
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Jeff M
Notice how nobody was arrested,[snip]
I think the point was to show what was legal, not what was illegal.
I guess all the publicity let NY crooks how to get guns not
otherwise
Post by Rickey Minor
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Jeff M
available to them, though.
However there are a great many places much closer to New York to get
them. Gun trace data shows most of them coming from within New York
(1,819), Virginia (443), Pennsylvania (364), Georgia (407), North
Carolina (326), South Carolins (302), Florida (391), etc. for 2009.
http://tinyurl.com/4sfpotb
The real point is that there is no "gun show loophole". All the laws
that apply outside a gun also apply within one. If those sellers in
Arizona broke the law, they should be arrested. If one wants to
change
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
that law, then work within your state to do so as 16 other states have
done.
However, in that partial list of states above from the ATF, some of
those
Post by RD Sandman
are included in that 16.
Pennsylvania -
Yes, there is regulation of ALL firearms transfers. A non licensee
(no
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
FFL) wishing to transfer a firearmn to another nonlicensee must do so
through a licensee (FFL) or at County Sheriff's office. The licensee
must conduct background check as if he or she were the seller.
Exclusions apply for certain firearms, family member transfers, law
enforcement, or where local authority certifies that transferee's life
in
Post by RD Sandman
threatened.
North Carolina -
No transfer of a pistol is lawful without the transferee first
obtaining
Post by RD Sandman
a license from the country sheriff.
New York -
As a general matter, no person may possess, recieve, or sell a firearm
without first obtaining a permit or license from the State. Thus, all
lawful transfers in New York, including those at gun shows, would be
between licensees or permitees.
Source: ATF
I didn't include those gun traces from other states that were in
smaller
Post by RD Sandman
amounts that those listed above but many of the same restrictions
apply
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
in Illinois, DC, California, New Jersey, Minnesota, Missouri,
Maryland,
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Iowa, Connecticut, Rhode Island and Michigan.
Nice laws.
They don't work.
No shit? Really?
Post by RD Sandman
They are essentially meaningless as long as they are state laws.
They can be broken just as easily if they are federal.
Post by RD Sandman
You proved it with your list of guns that became "interstate
commerce",
Post by RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
thus evading state laws.
And federal laws. Did you conveniently forget that?
Post by RD Sandman
Essentially, these laws are UNENFORCEABLE.
The states you list are on the I-95 corridor.
No shit? Really? I only listed the top few. There are more if you go
the cite.
Post by RD Sandman
Firearms flow freely on I-95.
They flow pretty freely on most highways and interstates. I-95 is not
special.
Post by RD Sandman
Guns in Idaho, Nebraska, Alaska, and such are no problem,
Guns in NYC, Washington DC, LA, Miami, Chicago are a serious problem.
No, it's who owns them in NYC, DC, LA, Miami and Chicago who are the
serious problem.
Got any suggestions for reducing the firearm carnage?
Yep, stronger enforcement of existing laws.
BTW, it would be easier to respond to you if you placed your comments
about the sig line which many readers cut off.
sid9 sez:

Windows Live Mail 2011 neither indents nor does it add ">" to included
messages.
I use the "=" sign to delineate my post.

"Enforcement"...at least we agree on one point.....yet the holes are
large.

Sorry but most reader recognize the sig line as the cut off point and
delete anything past it.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 02:51:51 UTC
Permalink
Post by Rickey Minor
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
(snip)
Hey retard, AKA TMT?
Notice how nobody was arrested, and that equally retarded Bloomberg
wasted $100K on this one "investigation" (more in the works!)while  NYC
teachers are getting laid off in record numbers, and can't even get the
streets cleared of snow?
He's a "Life Long Democrat"... no wait, he "changed" into a
Republican...Hold on... NOW he say's he an "Independent!"
When did gabby get out of the hospital?
.
.
.
===============
Bloomberg did an excellent job of exposing a source where any lunatic or
terrorist can buy a weapon anonymously.
....and you complain about it when you  should support what he did.
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Conservatives support terrorists.

There is little difference between conservatives and the Taliban.

That is why they are POed about Bloomberg.

TMT

TMT
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 20:41:50 UTC
Permalink
"Rickey Minor" wrote in message news:4d486aca$0$20142
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
(snip)
Hey retard, AKA TMT?
Notice how nobody was arrested, and that equally retarded Bloomberg
wasted $100K on this one "investigation" (more in the works!)while NYC
teachers are getting laid off in record numbers, and can't even get the
streets cleared of snow?
He's a "Life Long Democrat"... no wait, he "changed" into a
Republican...Hold on... NOW he say's he an "Independent!"
When did gabby get out of the hospital?
.
.
.
===============
Bloomberg did an excellent job of exposing a source where any lunatic or
terrorist can buy a weapon anonymously.
They can do that in any city or state in the country.
....and you complain about it when you should support what he did.
He can't fix it. Nor can the feds.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Sid9
2011-02-02 22:24:39 UTC
Permalink
"Rickey Minor" wrote in message news:4d486aca$0$20142
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
(snip)
Hey retard, AKA TMT?
Notice how nobody was arrested, and that equally retarded Bloomberg
wasted $100K on this one "investigation" (more in the works!)while NYC
teachers are getting laid off in record numbers, and can't even get the
streets cleared of snow?
He's a "Life Long Democrat"... no wait, he "changed" into a
Republican...Hold on... NOW he say's he an "Independent!"
When did gabby get out of the hospital?
.
.
.
===============
Bloomberg did an excellent job of exposing a source where any lunatic or
terrorist can buy a weapon anonymously.
They can do that in any city or state in the country.
....and you complain about it when you should support what he did.
He can't fix it. Nor can the feds.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

.
.
===========================
sid9 sez:

I see.

Not enough Americans are dead yet from gun violence.
===========================
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-01 20:44:18 UTC
Permalink
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
NEW YORK – Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona
gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to
buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't
pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.
"After Tucson, you would think that people, particularly at a gun show
in Arizona, would have been much more careful in enforcing the law,"
he said. "That unfortunately in some cases wasn't the case."
Bloomberg has authorized similar sting operations around the country
as part of a push for tougher federal laws to help keep guns off the
streets of New York.
But in the sensitive aftermath of the shooting Jan. 8 that killed six
people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the mayor was
questioned about the time and place of his hidden-camera
investigation, a $100,000 operation conducted almost clear across the
country.
"Let me get this straight: From New York City, they are going to send
people to Arizona to look into this?" said state Sen. Ron Gould, a
Republican. "They might take a look a little closer to home if they
are concerned about guns getting in their state."
Meanwhile, Democratic Arizona state Sen. Steve Gallardo introduced a
bill Monday to require background checks for all sales at gun shows.
The operators of the Phoenix gun show where the investigators made
their buys on Jan. 23 issued a statement Monday saying all exhibitors
at its shows are required to follow state and federal gun laws.
"Mayor Bloomberg and his `task force' have no legal authority in the
state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York
City," said the statement from the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows.
"These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to
entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is
created by Bloomberg's task force."
The private investigators, wearing concealed video cameras, were sold
the 9 mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably
couldn't pass background checks.
While many sellers at gun shows are not required under federal law to
perform background checks, it is illegal for them to sell a weapon if
they have reason to believe the buyer wouldn't be able to pass one,
the mayor said.
The mayor said that without mandatory background checks, gun shows had
become "magnets for criminals," and called for federal action to close
what he said were dangerous loopholes in the law. Last week, Sen.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed federal legislation that would
require background checks for all firearm purchases at gun shows.
Jim Cavanaugh, a retired agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, where he was in charge of the Nashville
division, said he didn't believe the sales described by the mayor
were, in fact, illegal.
"It's not a prosecutable offense" because the purchasers were not
truly felons, minors or drug abusers and because they didn't tell the
sellers definitively that they were, Cavanaugh said. As for Bloomberg,
he said, "ATF has asked him not to do it and to please coordinate with
ATF if he thinks a violation is occurring."
In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department warned in a letter to City Hall
that such civilian operations risk "legal liabilities" and can
"unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal
investigations."
The mayor conceded that most illegal guns in New York City are coming
from states along the East Coast, but said the rampage in Tucson would
bring national attention to the investigation.
The city-hired investigators also obtained a Glock gun and 33-round
extended magazine similar to those authorities have said Jared
Loughner used to open fire as Giffords met with constituents outside a
supermarket.
Investigators have said Loughner legally purchased his ammunition the
morning of the attack. He had cleared a federal background check and
legally bought a Glock 19 at a big-box sporting goods store two months
earlier.
Bloomberg's office said all the investigators were Arizona residents
and broke no laws.
The mayor, who heads a national coalition of mayors advocating
stronger gun control, argues that it is necessary to bring his battle
across state lines because illegal guns from states with more lenient
rules consistently find their way onto New York City's streets.
About 90 percent of the 5,000 guns confiscated by city police last
year were from out of state, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.
An almost identical 2009 sting operation targeted seven gun shows in
Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. As a result, organizers of 35 gun shows
around the country — including the 1,300-table Big Reno Show in Nevada
— have agreed to end all no-background-check sales, Bloomberg said.
In 2006, more city-hired undercover investigators posed as gun buyers
making so-called straw purchases in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South
Carolina and Virginia, with one person filling out the paperwork for
another person's gun purchase.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Monday that he could not comment on
whether the agency was investigating the city's findings.
___
Associated Press writer Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix contributed to
this report.
And here is the idiot response from...well...the idiots.

TMT

Gun show attendees say firearms limits would be wrong response to
Tucson

By Sari Horwitz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 19, 2011; 10:21 PM



LAS VEGAS - Since the Jan. 8 shooting rampage in Tucson, gun-control
advocates have called for greater restrictions on firearms. But here
at the Sands Expo and Convention Center, where the world's largest
annual gun trade show opened this week, firearms industry
representatives say that would be a misguided response to the crime
that killed six people and wounded 13 others.

The more than 55,000 attendees from the United States and 100 other
countries are focused on promoting firearms, networking and doing
business - and preventing what they believe would be an erosion of
their gun-ownership rights.

"What happened in Tucson was not a failure of gun-control laws," said
Lawrence Keane, general counsel of the National Shooting Sports
Foundation, which is sponsoring the gun show. "This was a failure of
the mental-health system."

Jared Lee Loughner, the 22-year-old who faces murder charges in the
shooting that apparently targeted Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.),
displayed increasingly erratic behavior in the months and days leading
up to the crime, including outbursts at a YMCA and disruptions in
classrooms and libraries at Pima Community College.

The Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show and Conference (SHOT Show)
comes at a time when people are buying guns at "near record levels,"
said Steve Sanetti, the president of the shooting sports foundation,
the trade association for what he called a "$28 billion a year
industry."

The show, which is not open to the public, is the premier trade event
for professionals involved in the world of firearms, ammunition,
hunting and shooting sports. It is the place where politics and the
lucrative business of guns coincide, where the FBI, the National Rifle
Association and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
Explosives set up booths next to gun manufacturers in the cavernous
convention center.

On two floors, where more than 1,600 exhibitors are spread out over
more than 630,000 square feet, dealers and distributors come to see
and buy firearms and gun gear on display in glitzy, giant booths
stretching from floor to ceiling. Manufacturers from Bushmaster to
Smith & Wesson have booths, some designed as rustic log cabins, others
showing streaming video of hunters shooting game in the African bush.
At the SIG SAUER booth, a world-renowned shooter demonstrates his
techniques.

Everywhere an attendee walks, someone is inspecting or aiming a rifle.
For that reason, no personal firearms or ammunition are allowed. Only
guns on display, and with their firing pins removed, are permitted on
the show floor.

Executives in the large booth for Glock, the Austrian company that
manufactured the gun police say was used in the Tucson shooting, did
not want to talk about the incident. Loughner legally purchased the
Glock 19 semiautomatic handgun, one of the most popular firearms
depicted in Hollywood movies, Nov. 30 at a gun store in Tucson, about
two months before the shooting. Authorities say he used an extended
magazine with 31 bullets and was carrying three additional magazines
filled with 61 more bullets.

"Our thoughts and prayers go out to those who got hurt and their
families," said Josh Dorsey, the vice president of Glock, whose U.S.
sales division is based in Smyrna, Ga. "We hope they have a speedy
recovery."

A firearms industry executive said that 65 percent of the law
enforcement market in the United States use the Glock handgun,
"including those investigating the Tucson tragedy."

"We stand with all Americans in condemning this senseless act of
violence - a truly horrible act that defies any sense of rationality
or explanation - and we continue to keep those affected by this
tragedy in our thoughts and prayers," said Ted Novin, a spokesman for
the firearms industry, who called the shooting "the action of a
madman."

The NRA released a letter late Wednesday pledging to oppose new
proposals in Congress that include limiting the size of ammunition
magazines and banning the possession of firearms near Congress members
and some other federal officials.

The SHOT show appeals to the male-dominated gun industry, with
scantily clad models posing next to rifles and signing calendars
bearing photos of themselves.

But there is also a serious side: During the four-day convention, the
ATF holds seminars to teach dealers how to adhere to federal laws
governing the sale of firearms and how to watch for straw buyers, who
are illegally buying guns for others prohibited from purchasing one.
They teach dealers how to properly fill out federal forms that allow
the ATF to trace a gun recovered during a criminal investigation. The
shooting sports organization works closely with the ATF to promote its
"Don't Lie for the Other Guy" program to fight straw purchasers.

Dealers are required to report a multiple handgun sale - more than one
gun sold to the same buyer in five days. But dealers are not required
to report the multiple sales of rifles and shotguns. For example, a
purchaser can buy seven AK-47s in a day, but that sale does not have
to be reported to the ATF.

In recent weeks, the ATF has attempted to implement a federal
regulation to require dealers in states along the Mexican border to
report the multiple sales of long guns. But the measure is strongly
opposed by the NRA and the NSSF, the organization running the SHOT
show.

"We don't believe the ATF has legal authority to do this, and we think
that traffickers will just change what they do," Keane said.

On Jan. 29, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin will deliver the
keynote speech at another large firearms convention, the Safari Club
International Convention in Reno, Nev. She is planning to address a
sold-out crowd of 20,000 at Safari, which bills itself as "the leader
in protecting the freedom to hunt and promoting wildlife conservation
worldwide."

"Congress is more pro-gun than at any time in recent memory," said
NSSF president Sanetti. "The mood is upbeat, even though the general
economy is not."
The PHANTOM
2011-02-01 21:25:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
NEW YORK – Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona
gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to
buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't
pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.
"After Tucson, you would think that people, particularly at a gun show
in Arizona, would have been much more careful in enforcing the law,"
he said. "That unfortunately in some cases wasn't the case."
Bloomberg has authorized similar sting operations around the country
as part of a push for tougher federal laws to help keep guns off the
streets of New York.
But in the sensitive aftermath of the shooting Jan. 8 that killed six
people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the mayor was
questioned about the time and place of his hidden-camera
investigation, a $100,000 operation conducted almost clear across the
country.
"Let me get this straight: From New York City, they are going to send
people to Arizona to look into this?" said state Sen. Ron Gould, a
Republican. "They might take a look a little closer to home if they
are concerned about guns getting in their state."
Meanwhile, Democratic Arizona state Sen. Steve Gallardo introduced a
bill Monday to require background checks for all sales at gun shows.
The operators of the Phoenix gun show where the investigators made
their buys on Jan. 23 issued a statement Monday saying all exhibitors
at its shows are required to follow state and federal gun laws.
"Mayor Bloomberg and his `task force' have no legal authority in the
state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York
City," said the statement from the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows.
"These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to
entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is
created by Bloomberg's task force."
The private investigators, wearing concealed video cameras, were sold
the 9 mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably
couldn't pass background checks.
While many sellers at gun shows are not required under federal law to
perform background checks, it is illegal for them to sell a weapon if
they have reason to believe the buyer wouldn't be able to pass one,
the mayor said.
The mayor said that without mandatory background checks, gun shows had
become "magnets for criminals," and called for federal action to close
what he said were dangerous loopholes in the law. Last week, Sen.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed federal legislation that would
require background checks for all firearm purchases at gun shows.
Jim Cavanaugh, a retired agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, where he was in charge of the Nashville
division, said he didn't believe the sales described by the mayor
were, in fact, illegal.
"It's not a prosecutable offense" because the purchasers were not
truly felons, minors or drug abusers and because they didn't tell the
sellers definitively that they were, Cavanaugh said. As for Bloomberg,
he said, "ATF has asked him not to do it and to please coordinate with
ATF if he thinks a violation is occurring."
In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department warned in a letter to City Hall
that such civilian operations risk "legal liabilities" and can
"unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal
investigations."
The mayor conceded that most illegal guns in New York City are coming
from states along the East Coast, but said the rampage in Tucson would
bring national attention to the investigation.
The city-hired investigators also obtained a Glock gun and 33-round
extended magazine similar to those authorities have said Jared
Loughner used to open fire as Giffords met with constituents outside a
supermarket.
Investigators have said Loughner legally purchased his ammunition the
morning of the attack. He had cleared a federal background check and
legally bought a Glock 19 at a big-box sporting goods store two months
earlier.
Bloomberg's office said all the investigators were Arizona residents
and broke no laws.
The mayor, who heads a national coalition of mayors advocating
stronger gun control, argues that it is necessary to bring his battle
across state lines because illegal guns from states with more lenient
rules consistently find their way onto New York City's streets.
About 90 percent of the 5,000 guns confiscated by city police last
year were from out of state, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.
An almost identical 2009 sting operation targeted seven gun shows in
Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. As a result, organizers of 35 gun shows
around the country — including the 1,300-table Big Reno Show in Nevada
— have agreed to end all no-background-check sales, Bloomberg said.
In 2006, more city-hired undercover investigators posed as gun buyers
making so-called straw purchases in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South
Carolina and Virginia, with one person filling out the paperwork for
another person's gun purchase.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Monday that he could not comment on
whether the agency was investigating the city's findings.
___
Associated Press writer Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix contributed to
this report.
After last November you'd think the handwringing,whining,lying,corrupt
anklebiting progressives would shut the fuck up for a while,
but.......................................Too Many Stools is still
whining like a 4 year old girl.
Zombywoof
2011-02-02 00:41:07 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 13:25:34 -0800 (PST), The PHANTOM
<***@yahoo.com> wrote:

<snip>
Post by The PHANTOM
After last November you'd think the handwringing,whining,lying,corrupt
anklebiting progressives would shut the fuck up for a while,
but.......................................Too Many Stools is still
whining like a 4 year old girl.
And what else do you think a whining 4 year old girl would do, shit
her pants? Not to worry, he does that too!
--
"Gustatus Similis Pullus"
Jerry Okamura
2011-02-02 00:15:08 UTC
Permalink
Can government ever succeed in keeping guns of the street? Or is that just
another futile effort by the government to pretend that they can solve the
problem they are trying to solve. Did prohibition work? Are there no
prostitutes in this country. Are there no people still using illegal drugs?
Are there no people who gamble illegally, are there no people who organize
and run these illegal activities? Do you really believe in a country with
the 2nd Amendment, that they can possibly keep guns off the streets?

"Too_Many_Tools" wrote in message news:77cb3c56-850d-4da3-9db9-***@x5g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.

And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.

You are your own worst enemy.

Now let the whining and bitching begin......

Laugh..laugh..laugh..

TMT


NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET

NEW YORK – Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona
gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to
buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't
pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.

"After Tucson, you would think that people, particularly at a gun show
in Arizona, would have been much more careful in enforcing the law,"
he said. "That unfortunately in some cases wasn't the case."

Bloomberg has authorized similar sting operations around the country
as part of a push for tougher federal laws to help keep guns off the
streets of New York.

But in the sensitive aftermath of the shooting Jan. 8 that killed six
people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the mayor was
questioned about the time and place of his hidden-camera
investigation, a $100,000 operation conducted almost clear across the
country.

"Let me get this straight: From New York City, they are going to send
people to Arizona to look into this?" said state Sen. Ron Gould, a
Republican. "They might take a look a little closer to home if they
are concerned about guns getting in their state."

Meanwhile, Democratic Arizona state Sen. Steve Gallardo introduced a
bill Monday to require background checks for all sales at gun shows.

The operators of the Phoenix gun show where the investigators made
their buys on Jan. 23 issued a statement Monday saying all exhibitors
at its shows are required to follow state and federal gun laws.

"Mayor Bloomberg and his `task force' have no legal authority in the
state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York
City," said the statement from the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows.
"These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to
entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is
created by Bloomberg's task force."

The private investigators, wearing concealed video cameras, were sold
the 9 mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably
couldn't pass background checks.

While many sellers at gun shows are not required under federal law to
perform background checks, it is illegal for them to sell a weapon if
they have reason to believe the buyer wouldn't be able to pass one,
the mayor said.

The mayor said that without mandatory background checks, gun shows had
become "magnets for criminals," and called for federal action to close
what he said were dangerous loopholes in the law. Last week, Sen.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed federal legislation that would
require background checks for all firearm purchases at gun shows.

Jim Cavanaugh, a retired agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, where he was in charge of the Nashville
division, said he didn't believe the sales described by the mayor
were, in fact, illegal.

"It's not a prosecutable offense" because the purchasers were not
truly felons, minors or drug abusers and because they didn't tell the
sellers definitively that they were, Cavanaugh said. As for Bloomberg,
he said, "ATF has asked him not to do it and to please coordinate with
ATF if he thinks a violation is occurring."

In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department warned in a letter to City Hall
that such civilian operations risk "legal liabilities" and can
"unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal
investigations."

The mayor conceded that most illegal guns in New York City are coming
from states along the East Coast, but said the rampage in Tucson would
bring national attention to the investigation.

The city-hired investigators also obtained a Glock gun and 33-round
extended magazine similar to those authorities have said Jared
Loughner used to open fire as Giffords met with constituents outside a
supermarket.

Investigators have said Loughner legally purchased his ammunition the
morning of the attack. He had cleared a federal background check and
legally bought a Glock 19 at a big-box sporting goods store two months
earlier.

Bloomberg's office said all the investigators were Arizona residents
and broke no laws.

The mayor, who heads a national coalition of mayors advocating
stronger gun control, argues that it is necessary to bring his battle
across state lines because illegal guns from states with more lenient
rules consistently find their way onto New York City's streets.

About 90 percent of the 5,000 guns confiscated by city police last
year were from out of state, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.

An almost identical 2009 sting operation targeted seven gun shows in
Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. As a result, organizers of 35 gun shows
around the country — including the 1,300-table Big Reno Show in Nevada
— have agreed to end all no-background-check sales, Bloomberg said.

In 2006, more city-hired undercover investigators posed as gun buyers
making so-called straw purchases in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South
Carolina and Virginia, with one person filling out the paperwork for
another person's gun purchase.

ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Monday that he could not comment on
whether the agency was investigating the city's findings.

___

Associated Press writer Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix contributed to
this report.
Billary
2011-02-02 02:56:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself. Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussy Loading Image...

***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
Gray Ghost
2011-02-02 03:13:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself. Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussy
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
Don't hold your breath.
--
If all you are doing is accusing your opponenets of all sorts of infamy.
If all you are doing is dehumanizing conservatives, TEA Party members,
Republicans

You are not part of the solution,
You are not part of the problem.

You ARE the problem.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 03:14:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/archives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws, they
will be taken away.

Get used to it.

TMT
Billary
2011-02-02 03:20:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/archives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws, they
will be taken away.
Get used to it.
TMT
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Jeff M
2011-02-02 03:23:47 UTC
Permalink
On 2/1/2011 9:20 PM, Billary wrote:
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters. It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.

http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
Billary
2011-02-02 03:26:09 UTC
Permalink
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters.  It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I did try something similar. It didn't work. Its too damned hot
here! Fanny pack is the only thing that seems to work well enough.
Thanks!
Jeff M
2011-02-02 03:35:51 UTC
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Post by Billary
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters. It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I did try something similar. It didn't work. Its too damned hot
here! Fanny pack is the only thing that seems to work well enough.
Thanks!
Well, if whatever you're carrying becomes wholly unmanageable due to
climate and clothing, it's better to step down to a smaller, lighter gun
than to go without. Kel-Tec, a Florida gunmaker BTW, makes a remarkably
thin, lightweight 9mm and even a tiny .380 not much bigger than a deck
of cards and under 8oz.

http://www.keltecweapons.com/
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 04:17:18 UTC
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[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters.  It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I did try something similar.  It didn't work.  Its too damned hot
here! Fanny pack is the only thing that seems to work well enough.
Thanks!
Try a water gun..they are cooler to stick in your shorts.

TMT
Billary
2011-02-02 12:06:13 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters.  It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I did try something similar.  It didn't work.  Its too damned hot
here! Fanny pack is the only thing that seems to work well enough.
Thanks!
Try a water gun..they are cooler to stick in your shorts.
TMT
Come here. I want you to try and take my gun away from me. I'll even
give you a three foot closing distance head start.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 21:35:01 UTC
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Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters.  It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I did try something similar.  It didn't work.  Its too damned hot
here! Fanny pack is the only thing that seems to work well enough.
Thanks!
Try a water gun..they are cooler to stick in your shorts.
TMT
Come here. I want you to try and take my gun away from me. I'll even
give you a three foot closing distance head start.- Hide quoted text -
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Where is here?

Be specific so the cops have an address to visit.

TMT
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-03 01:01:37 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:35:01 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters.  It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I did try something similar.  It didn't work.  Its too damned hot
here! Fanny pack is the only thing that seems to work well enough.
Thanks!
Try a water gun..they are cooler to stick in your shorts.
TMT
Come here. I want you to try and take my gun away from me. I'll even
give you a three foot closing distance head start.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Where is here?
Be specific so the cops have an address to visit.
TMT
You aren't fooling anyone. We remember how the cops told you not to
call any more, lest you want to meet Mr. Nightstick again, in a more
private way.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 21:36:54 UTC
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Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters.  It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I did try something similar.  It didn't work.  Its too damned hot
here! Fanny pack is the only thing that seems to work well enough.
Thanks!
Try a water gun..they are cooler to stick in your shorts.
TMT
Come here. I want you to try and take my gun away from me. I'll even
give you a three foot closing distance head start.
Such statements make you sound like an enormous coward.- Hide quoted text -
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That is just one of his many fine attributes.

He is a shining tribute to the conservative movement.

TMT
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 21:39:57 UTC
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Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters.  It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I did try something similar.  It didn't work.  Its too damned hot
here! Fanny pack is the only thing that seems to work well enough.
Thanks!
Try a water gun..they are cooler to stick in your shorts.
TMT
Come here. I want you to try and take my gun away from me. I'll even
give you a three foot closing distance head start.
Such statements make you sound like an enormous coward.
Yes.  But I take some solace in the thought that these gun whackos are far
more likely to eventually be successful suicides.- Hide quoted text -
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Correct...the numbers indicate that to be the case.

Unfortunately they tend to take family, friends and neighbors with
them.

TMT
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-03 19:18:15 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 16:51:22 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
Yes.  But I take some solace in the thought that these gun whackos are
far more likely to eventually be successful suicides.
While you focus on the fringe element the vast majority of gun owners
will be criminalized and have done nothing wrong.  That is why attempts
to disarm us fail.
So speaking of gun nuts, whatever happened to Gunner?  Did his trailer
park get washed away in the floods?  Or is he reborn as this Boris
nutjob.  
Gummer is having money problems...or perhaps I should say MORE money
problems...

TMT
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 21:07:11 UTC
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Post by Billary
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters.  It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I did try something similar. It didn't work. Its too damned hot
here! Fanny pack is the only thing that seems to work well enough.
Thanks!
Yes, they did. I dyed mine blue and sewed a Nike Swish on it. Talk
about camaflouge. ;)
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 21:05:37 UTC
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[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters. It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I would simply hate to end up half cocked. ;)
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
SaPeIsMa
2011-02-02 21:29:13 UTC
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Post by RD Sandman
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters. It works well with shorts and tees and hot,
humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I would simply hate to end up half cocked. ;)
Little risk of that if you exercise due care both in holstering or drawing
The real benefit is that it's really well concealed
Also for me, since I have some back injuries that sometimes make IWB carry
painful, Thnderwear helps spread the load over both sides of the hip.
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 23:20:34 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by RD Sandman
[snip]
Post by Billary
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such
a hassle in such a hot climate.
Try Thunderwear holsters. It works well with shorts and tees and
hot, humid weather.
http://www.thunderwear.com/holsters.asp
I would simply hate to end up half cocked. ;)
Little risk of that if you exercise due care both in holstering or
drawing The real benefit is that it's really well concealed
I don't know about that....there is bit of a bulge to begin with. ;)
Post by SaPeIsMa
Also for me, since I have some back injuries that sometimes make IWB
carry painful, Thnderwear helps spread the load over both sides of the
hip.
Agreed on that.....I have also carried crossdraw but most ranges won't
let you really practice at that.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
SaPeIsMa
2011-02-03 05:39:59 UTC
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Post by RD Sandman
Post by SaPeIsMa
Little risk of that if you exercise due care both in holstering or
drawing The real benefit is that it's really well concealed
I don't know about that....there is bit of a bulge to begin with. ;)
While at a party, my wife walked up to me, patted the bulge and asked loud
enough for a couple of her (girl) friends to hear
"Is that for me ?
..Save it till we get home..."
Then she gave me a big smooch and walked away...
:-)
Sometimes I wonder about her..
RD Sandman
2011-02-03 21:26:50 UTC
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Post by SaPeIsMa
Post by RD Sandman
Post by SaPeIsMa
Little risk of that if you exercise due care both in holstering or
drawing The real benefit is that it's really well concealed
I don't know about that....there is bit of a bulge to begin with. ;)
While at a party, my wife walked up to me, patted the bulge and asked
loud enough for a couple of her (girl) friends to hear
"Is that for me ?
..Save it till we get home..."
Then she gave me a big smooch and walked away...
:-)
Sometimes I wonder about her..
Did she know you carried concealed? ;)
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
lorad
2011-02-02 03:33:48 UTC
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Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/archives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws, they
will be taken away.
Get used to it.
TMT
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
You guys are just now getting open carry?

Here in Indiana we've had that right forever...even without any carry
permit
Thing is.. hardly anyone ever does; I've just seen two guys in the
last 5 years do it...
And one of them looked like a nutcase wearing a cowboy hat.

It's sort of like our fireworks laws...
When they were illegal, everyone and their mother were buying and
setting them off.
But now that it's been legal a few years.. usage is down.. by at least
half.

The thrill is gone.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 04:25:47 UTC
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Post by lorad
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/archives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws, they
will be taken away.
Get used to it.
TMT
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
You guys are just now getting open carry?
Here in Indiana we've had that right forever...even without any carry
permit
Thing is.. hardly anyone ever does; I've just seen two guys in the
last 5 years do it...
And one of them looked like a nutcase wearing a cowboy hat.
It's sort of like our fireworks laws...
When they were illegal, everyone and their mother were buying and
setting them off.
But now that it's been legal a few years.. usage is down.. by at least
half.
The thrill is gone.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's sort of like voting for Sarah "Medai Whore" Palin....

TMT
lorad
2011-02-02 05:16:31 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/archives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws, they
will be taken away.
Get used to it.
TMT
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
You guys are just now getting open carry?
Here in Indiana we've had that right forever...even without any carry
permit
Thing is.. hardly anyone ever does; I've just seen two guys in the
last 5 years do it...
And one of them looked like a nutcase wearing a cowboy hat.
It's sort of like our fireworks laws...
When they were illegal, everyone and their mother were buying and
setting them off.
But now that it's been legal a few years.. usage is down.. by at least
half.
The thrill is gone.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's sort of like voting for Sarah "Medai Whore" Palin....
TMT
I'm sorry you did that. I certainly didn't.

Do you feel deluded and used now?
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 07:55:01 UTC
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Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/archives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws, they
will be taken away.
Get used to it.
TMT
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
You guys are just now getting open carry?
Here in Indiana we've had that right forever...even without any carry
permit
Thing is.. hardly anyone ever does; I've just seen two guys in the
last 5 years do it...
And one of them looked like a nutcase wearing a cowboy hat.
It's sort of like our fireworks laws...
When they were illegal, everyone and their mother were buying and
setting them off.
But now that it's been legal a few years.. usage is down.. by at least
half.
The thrill is gone.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
It's sort of like voting for Sarah "Medai Whore" Palin....
TMT
I'm sorry you did that. I certainly didn't.
Do you feel deluded and used now?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Nope...it was refreshing to vote for the winner.

But he is right...open carry is overrated.

Only fools get their hopes up over it.

TMT
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 04:16:31 UTC
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Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/archives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws, they
will be taken away.
Get used to it.
TMT
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.- Hide quoted text -
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Maybe if you are good they will give you a bullet Barney.

TMT
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 21:04:52 UTC
Permalink
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch
so much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy to
do your dirty work for you you fucking
pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/arc
hives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly
show them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws,
they will be taken away.
Get used to it.
TMT
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Hmmm, wasn't for me....either there or Arizona.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-03 00:27:16 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:04:52 -0600, RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch
so much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy to
do your dirty work for you you fucking
pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/arc
hives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly
show them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws,
they will be taken away.
Get used to it.
TMT
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Hmmm, wasn't for me....either there or Arizona.
Same here. Concealed is best.
http://www.crimefilenews.com/2011/01/folly-of-carrying-exposed-weapons.html
RD Sandman
2011-02-03 21:20:00 UTC
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Post by Boris Kapusta
On Wed, 02 Feb 2011 15:04:52 -0600, RD Sandman
Post by RD Sandman
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you
bitch so much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself.  Don't send this guy
to do your dirty work for you you fucking
pussyhttp://www.moonbattery.com/arc
hives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Billary
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly
show them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
If you should not have your guns for a reason under current laws,
they will be taken away.
Get used to it.
TMT
I can't wait to get open carry in Florida. Concealed carry is such a
hassle in such a hot climate.
Hmmm, wasn't for me....either there or Arizona.
Same here. Concealed is best.
http://www.crimefilenews.com/2011/01/folly-of-carrying-exposed-weapons.
html
I agree....it adds the element of surprize.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-02 05:17:30 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 18:56:52 -0800 (PST), Billary
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
If you want my guns you can have them. There is only one caveat.
***YOU have to come and get them yourself. Don't send this guy to do
your dirty work for you you fucking pussy http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/elian_gonzalez.jpg
***YOU*** come to my home and ask to see my guns. I will gladly show
them to you. Say hello to my little friend.
ROFL! He'll be right there as soon as his mommies turn some tricks so
they can fill the tank on their Subaru. Don't expect the three of them
showing up anytinme soon. LOL!
lorad
2011-02-02 03:16:08 UTC
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On Feb 1, 2:37 pm, Too_Many_Tools <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.

I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 04:15:43 UTC
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Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?

What entrapment?

You need to read the Patriot Act.

TMT
lorad
2011-02-02 05:18:18 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.

PS: Yes, obvious entrapment.That's what a 'Sting' is:

'Sting' :
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."

I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 07:56:12 UTC
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Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.

Enjoy the new gun laws coming.

TMT
Rickey Minor
2011-02-02 11:42:41 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.
He didn't use HIS money, you retard.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 21:33:43 UTC
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Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.- Hide quoted text -
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Bloomberg got his money's worth.
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I would hope not.

This is for the benefit of New York.

I applaud his efforts.

If the gun shows are doing nothing wrong, then they have nothing to
worry about.

Doing what they were doing soon after the Tucson shootings were a sign
of massive stupidity.

TMT
Rickey Minor
2011-02-02 22:53:48 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.
He didn't use HIS money, you retard.- Hide quoted text -
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I would hope not.
He wouldn't have missed it. He's a Multi Billionaire.
Post by Too_Many_Tools
This is for the benefit of New York.
I applaud his efforts.
What benefit did he do for NY?
He admitted that the vast majority of the weapons used in crime there,
came from the Eastern states.

Damn, yer a LOT dumber then he is
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-03 00:44:02 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:33:43 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.
He didn't use HIS money, you retard.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I would hope not.
This is for the benefit of New York.
I applaud his efforts.
If the gun shows are doing nothing wrong, then they have nothing to
worry about.
Doing what they were doing soon after the Tucson shootings were a sign
of massive stupidity.
TMT
Right. They should have waited another week. Moron.
RD Sandman
2011-02-03 21:28:52 UTC
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Post by Boris Kapusta
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:33:43 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel
and two (2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's
all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he
or she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for
law enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very
careful to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in
court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not
(could not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if
police from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.
He didn't use HIS money, you retard.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I would hope not.
This is for the benefit of New York.
I applaud his efforts.
If the gun shows are doing nothing wrong, then they have nothing to
worry about.
Doing what they were doing soon after the Tucson shootings were a sign
of massive stupidity.
TMT
Right. They should have waited another week. Moron.
Actually, it was a prescheduled gun show. Kinda hard to tell everyone
that it has been postponed when many of them already have hotel
reservations, flights, etc...
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-03 23:54:11 UTC
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Post by Boris Kapusta
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 13:33:43 -0800 (PST), Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel
and two (2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's
all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he
or she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for
law enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very
careful to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in
court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not
(could not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if
police from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.-
Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.
He didn't use HIS money, you retard.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
I would hope not.
This is for the benefit of New York.
I applaud his efforts.
If the gun shows are doing nothing wrong, then they have nothing to
worry about.
Doing what they were doing soon after the Tucson shootings were a sign
of massive stupidity.
TMT
Right. They should have waited another week. Moron.
Actually, it was a prescheduled gun show.  Kinda hard to tell everyone
that it has been postponed when many of them already have hotel
reservations, flights, etc...
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.- Hide quoted text -
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Greed can always find an excuse not to do the right thing.

TMT

Billary
2011-02-02 12:51:19 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.
Enjoy the new gun laws coming.
TMT
Speaking of new gun laws. Why is it that guns are illegal in places
like Mexico, Britian, Australia, Puerto Rico etc. And yet, criminals
have easy access to weapons while citizens do not? If your intent was
to focus on the criminals why aren't you pressing for the ATF to
arrest those gun nuts in Arizona that sold those "illegal" guns to
those "illegal" buyers?

Could it be that no prosecutable evidence of a crime exist? That does
not seem to bother you does it? You don't care about the law. You care
only about your emotions and your stupid unfounded opinions. That and
another dollar will get you a ride on the NYC subway. Say hello to the
Mayor for me.
Boris Kapusta
2011-02-02 15:28:57 UTC
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On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 04:51:19 -0800 (PST), Billary
Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.
Enjoy the new gun laws coming.
TMT
Speaking of new gun laws. Why is it that guns are illegal in places
like Mexico, Britian, Australia, Puerto Rico etc. And yet, criminals
have easy access to weapons while citizens do not? If your intent was
to focus on the criminals why aren't you pressing for the ATF to
arrest those gun nuts in Arizona that sold those "illegal" guns to
those "illegal" buyers?
Could it be that no prosecutable evidence of a crime exist? That does
not seem to bother you does it? You don't care about the law. You care
only about your emotions and your stupid unfounded opinions. That and
another dollar will get you a ride on the NYC subway. Say hello to the
Mayor for me.
No crime, no time. ATF isn't worried about what goes on in free
states. They have a better market in states like New York, where you
have idiots like Bloomberger and his hoplophobic laws. TMT needs to do
his homework.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-02 21:38:16 UTC
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Post by Billary
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.
Enjoy the new gun laws coming.
TMT
Speaking of new gun laws. Why is it that guns are illegal in places
like Mexico, Britian, Australia, Puerto Rico etc. And yet, criminals
have easy access to weapons while citizens do not? If your intent was
to focus on the criminals why aren't you pressing for the ATF to
arrest those gun nuts in Arizona that sold those "illegal" guns to
those "illegal" buyers?
Could it be that no prosecutable evidence of a crime exist? That does
not seem to bother you does it? You don't care about the law. You care
only about your emotions and your stupid unfounded opinions. That and
another dollar will get you a ride on the NYC subway. Say hello to the
Mayor for me.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Why don't you go ask those countries and get back to us with their
answers?

That is what an intelligent person who wanted the Truth would go about
it.

TMT
The PHANTOM
2011-02-02 14:05:17 UTC
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Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Bloomberg got his money's worth.
Enjoy the new gun laws coming.
TMT- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Enjoy the gun law legislation that will be defeated. You fucking
pinheads NEVER learn do you? A sure sign of insanity. You bedwetters
keep trying the same thing over and over and expect different results.
Liberalism is a mental disorder.
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 21:11:48 UTC
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Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and two
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.
I don't think arrest and trial was the point of Bloomberg's little jaunt.
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Scout
2011-02-02 21:38:51 UTC
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Post by RD Sandman
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and
two (2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all
yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very
careful to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.
I don't think arrest and trial was the point of Bloomberg's little jaunt.
No, but I think he needs arrest and trial.
RD Sandman
2011-02-02 23:23:41 UTC
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Post by Scout
Post by RD Sandman
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and
two (2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all
yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very
careful to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.
I don't think arrest and trial was the point of Bloomberg's little jaunt.
No, but I think he needs arrest and trial.
Again, as Ghost would say, "Ba-da-bing!".
--
Sleep well tonight,

RD (The Sandman)

History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.
Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-03 09:23:23 UTC
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Post by RD Sandman
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
Without FBI entrapment what would we ever do for msm yucks.
I can see it now...
FBI agent: 'Yeah and I'll throw in the silencer, extra barrel and
two
Post by lorad
Post by Too_Many_Tools
Post by lorad
(2) extra mags along with the Uzi.. $50 bucks and it's all yours.'
Entrapment?
What entrapment?
You need to read the Patriot Act.
TMT
The anti-Patriot Act is a Stalinist imposition upon Constitutional
*rights*.
There is no doubt about it.
"Sting operations must be carried out very precisely by police
officers in order to avoid claims of entrapment by defendants. In
order for this defense to work, the defendant must prove that he or
she would not have committed the crime if it hadn't been for law
enforcement's involvement. Since most police officers are very careful
to follow the rules, these defenses rarely hold up in court."
I think the defendants could easily prove that they would not (could
not have) committed the crime of buying illegal weaponry if police
from New York hadn't traveled to Texas to sell it to them.
I don't think arrest and trial was the point of Bloomberg's little jaunt.
--
Sleep well tonight,
RD (The Sandman)
History shows that today's bailout will become
tomorrow's entitlement.- Hide quoted text -
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No it wasn't...he has bigger plans.

Enjoy the new gun laws that are coming.

TMT
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