Post by Too_Many_Tools
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
NEW YORK – Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona
gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to
buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't
pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.
"After Tucson, you would think that people, particularly at a gun show
in Arizona, would have been much more careful in enforcing the law,"
he said. "That unfortunately in some cases wasn't the case."
Bloomberg has authorized similar sting operations around the country
as part of a push for tougher federal laws to help keep guns off the
streets of New York.
But in the sensitive aftermath of the shooting Jan. 8 that killed six
people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the mayor was
questioned about the time and place of his hidden-camera
investigation, a $100,000 operation conducted almost clear across the
"Let me get this straight: From New York City, they are going to send
people to Arizona to look into this?" said state Sen. Ron Gould, a
Republican. "They might take a look a little closer to home if they
are concerned about guns getting in their state."
Meanwhile, Democratic Arizona state Sen. Steve Gallardo introduced a
bill Monday to require background checks for all sales at gun shows.
The operators of the Phoenix gun show where the investigators made
their buys on Jan. 23 issued a statement Monday saying all exhibitors
at its shows are required to follow state and federal gun laws.
"Mayor Bloomberg and his `task force' have no legal authority in the
state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York
City," said the statement from the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows.
"These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to
entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is
created by Bloomberg's task force."
The private investigators, wearing concealed video cameras, were sold
the 9 mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably
couldn't pass background checks.
While many sellers at gun shows are not required under federal law to
perform background checks, it is illegal for them to sell a weapon if
they have reason to believe the buyer wouldn't be able to pass one,
the mayor said.
The mayor said that without mandatory background checks, gun shows had
become "magnets for criminals," and called for federal action to close
what he said were dangerous loopholes in the law. Last week, Sen.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed federal legislation that would
require background checks for all firearm purchases at gun shows.
Jim Cavanaugh, a retired agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, where he was in charge of the Nashville
division, said he didn't believe the sales described by the mayor
were, in fact, illegal.
"It's not a prosecutable offense" because the purchasers were not
truly felons, minors or drug abusers and because they didn't tell the
sellers definitively that they were, Cavanaugh said. As for Bloomberg,
he said, "ATF has asked him not to do it and to please coordinate with
ATF if he thinks a violation is occurring."
In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department warned in a letter to City Hall
that such civilian operations risk "legal liabilities" and can
"unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal
The mayor conceded that most illegal guns in New York City are coming
from states along the East Coast, but said the rampage in Tucson would
bring national attention to the investigation.
The city-hired investigators also obtained a Glock gun and 33-round
extended magazine similar to those authorities have said Jared
Loughner used to open fire as Giffords met with constituents outside a
Investigators have said Loughner legally purchased his ammunition the
morning of the attack. He had cleared a federal background check and
legally bought a Glock 19 at a big-box sporting goods store two months
Bloomberg's office said all the investigators were Arizona residents
and broke no laws.
The mayor, who heads a national coalition of mayors advocating
stronger gun control, argues that it is necessary to bring his battle
across state lines because illegal guns from states with more lenient
rules consistently find their way onto New York City's streets.
About 90 percent of the 5,000 guns confiscated by city police last
year were from out of state, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.
An almost identical 2009 sting operation targeted seven gun shows in
Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. As a result, organizers of 35 gun shows
around the country — including the 1,300-table Big Reno Show in Nevada
— have agreed to end all no-background-check sales, Bloomberg said.
In 2006, more city-hired undercover investigators posed as gun buyers
making so-called straw purchases in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South
Carolina and Virginia, with one person filling out the paperwork for
another person's gun purchase.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Monday that he could not comment on
whether the agency was investigating the city's findings.
Associated Press writer Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix contributed to
And here is the idiot response from...well...the idiots.
Gun show attendees say firearms limits would be wrong response to
By Sari Horwitz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, January 19, 2011; 10:21 PM
LAS VEGAS - Since the Jan. 8 shooting rampage in Tucson, gun-control
advocates have called for greater restrictions on firearms. But here
at the Sands Expo and Convention Center, where the world's largest
annual gun trade show opened this week, firearms industry
representatives say that would be a misguided response to the crime
that killed six people and wounded 13 others.
The more than 55,000 attendees from the United States and 100 other
countries are focused on promoting firearms, networking and doing
business - and preventing what they believe would be an erosion of
their gun-ownership rights.
"What happened in Tucson was not a failure of gun-control laws," said
Lawrence Keane, general counsel of the National Shooting Sports
Foundation, which is sponsoring the gun show. "This was a failure of
the mental-health system."
Jared Lee Loughner, the 22-year-old who faces murder charges in the
shooting that apparently targeted Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.),
displayed increasingly erratic behavior in the months and days leading
up to the crime, including outbursts at a YMCA and disruptions in
classrooms and libraries at Pima Community College.
The Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show and Conference (SHOT Show)
comes at a time when people are buying guns at "near record levels,"
said Steve Sanetti, the president of the shooting sports foundation,
the trade association for what he called a "$28 billion a year
The show, which is not open to the public, is the premier trade event
for professionals involved in the world of firearms, ammunition,
hunting and shooting sports. It is the place where politics and the
lucrative business of guns coincide, where the FBI, the National Rifle
Association and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and
Explosives set up booths next to gun manufacturers in the cavernous
On two floors, where more than 1,600 exhibitors are spread out over
more than 630,000 square feet, dealers and distributors come to see
and buy firearms and gun gear on display in glitzy, giant booths
stretching from floor to ceiling. Manufacturers from Bushmaster to
Smith & Wesson have booths, some designed as rustic log cabins, others
showing streaming video of hunters shooting game in the African bush.
At the SIG SAUER booth, a world-renowned shooter demonstrates his
Everywhere an attendee walks, someone is inspecting or aiming a rifle.
For that reason, no personal firearms or ammunition are allowed. Only
guns on display, and with their firing pins removed, are permitted on
the show floor.
Executives in the large booth for Glock, the Austrian company that
manufactured the gun police say was used in the Tucson shooting, did
not want to talk about the incident. Loughner legally purchased the
Glock 19 semiautomatic handgun, one of the most popular firearms
depicted in Hollywood movies, Nov. 30 at a gun store in Tucson, about
two months before the shooting. Authorities say he used an extended
magazine with 31 bullets and was carrying three additional magazines
filled with 61 more bullets.
"Our thoughts and prayers go out to those who got hurt and their
families," said Josh Dorsey, the vice president of Glock, whose U.S.
sales division is based in Smyrna, Ga. "We hope they have a speedy
A firearms industry executive said that 65 percent of the law
enforcement market in the United States use the Glock handgun,
"including those investigating the Tucson tragedy."
"We stand with all Americans in condemning this senseless act of
violence - a truly horrible act that defies any sense of rationality
or explanation - and we continue to keep those affected by this
tragedy in our thoughts and prayers," said Ted Novin, a spokesman for
the firearms industry, who called the shooting "the action of a
The NRA released a letter late Wednesday pledging to oppose new
proposals in Congress that include limiting the size of ammunition
magazines and banning the possession of firearms near Congress members
and some other federal officials.
The SHOT show appeals to the male-dominated gun industry, with
scantily clad models posing next to rifles and signing calendars
bearing photos of themselves.
But there is also a serious side: During the four-day convention, the
ATF holds seminars to teach dealers how to adhere to federal laws
governing the sale of firearms and how to watch for straw buyers, who
are illegally buying guns for others prohibited from purchasing one.
They teach dealers how to properly fill out federal forms that allow
the ATF to trace a gun recovered during a criminal investigation. The
shooting sports organization works closely with the ATF to promote its
"Don't Lie for the Other Guy" program to fight straw purchasers.
Dealers are required to report a multiple handgun sale - more than one
gun sold to the same buyer in five days. But dealers are not required
to report the multiple sales of rifles and shotguns. For example, a
purchaser can buy seven AK-47s in a day, but that sale does not have
to be reported to the ATF.
In recent weeks, the ATF has attempted to implement a federal
regulation to require dealers in states along the Mexican border to
report the multiple sales of long guns. But the measure is strongly
opposed by the NRA and the NSSF, the organization running the SHOT
"We don't believe the ATF has legal authority to do this, and we think
that traffickers will just change what they do," Keane said.
On Jan. 29, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin will deliver the
keynote speech at another large firearms convention, the Safari Club
International Convention in Reno, Nev. She is planning to address a
sold-out crowd of 20,000 at Safari, which bills itself as "the leader
in protecting the freedom to hunt and promoting wildlife conservation
"Congress is more pro-gun than at any time in recent memory," said
NSSF president Sanetti. "The mood is upbeat, even though the general
economy is not."