Too_Many_Tools
2011-02-01 19:37:13 UTC
Conservative gun nuts never fail to amuse us with their
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
NEW YORK – Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona
gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to
buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't
pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.
"After Tucson, you would think that people, particularly at a gun show
in Arizona, would have been much more careful in enforcing the law,"
he said. "That unfortunately in some cases wasn't the case."
Bloomberg has authorized similar sting operations around the country
as part of a push for tougher federal laws to help keep guns off the
streets of New York.
But in the sensitive aftermath of the shooting Jan. 8 that killed six
people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the mayor was
questioned about the time and place of his hidden-camera
investigation, a $100,000 operation conducted almost clear across the
country.
"Let me get this straight: From New York City, they are going to send
people to Arizona to look into this?" said state Sen. Ron Gould, a
Republican. "They might take a look a little closer to home if they
are concerned about guns getting in their state."
Meanwhile, Democratic Arizona state Sen. Steve Gallardo introduced a
bill Monday to require background checks for all sales at gun shows.
The operators of the Phoenix gun show where the investigators made
their buys on Jan. 23 issued a statement Monday saying all exhibitors
at its shows are required to follow state and federal gun laws.
"Mayor Bloomberg and his `task force' have no legal authority in the
state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York
City," said the statement from the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows.
"These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to
entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is
created by Bloomberg's task force."
The private investigators, wearing concealed video cameras, were sold
the 9 mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably
couldn't pass background checks.
While many sellers at gun shows are not required under federal law to
perform background checks, it is illegal for them to sell a weapon if
they have reason to believe the buyer wouldn't be able to pass one,
the mayor said.
The mayor said that without mandatory background checks, gun shows had
become "magnets for criminals," and called for federal action to close
what he said were dangerous loopholes in the law. Last week, Sen.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed federal legislation that would
require background checks for all firearm purchases at gun shows.
Jim Cavanaugh, a retired agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, where he was in charge of the Nashville
division, said he didn't believe the sales described by the mayor
were, in fact, illegal.
"It's not a prosecutable offense" because the purchasers were not
truly felons, minors or drug abusers and because they didn't tell the
sellers definitively that they were, Cavanaugh said. As for Bloomberg,
he said, "ATF has asked him not to do it and to please coordinate with
ATF if he thinks a violation is occurring."
In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department warned in a letter to City Hall
that such civilian operations risk "legal liabilities" and can
"unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal
investigations."
The mayor conceded that most illegal guns in New York City are coming
from states along the East Coast, but said the rampage in Tucson would
bring national attention to the investigation.
The city-hired investigators also obtained a Glock gun and 33-round
extended magazine similar to those authorities have said Jared
Loughner used to open fire as Giffords met with constituents outside a
supermarket.
Investigators have said Loughner legally purchased his ammunition the
morning of the attack. He had cleared a federal background check and
legally bought a Glock 19 at a big-box sporting goods store two months
earlier.
Bloomberg's office said all the investigators were Arizona residents
and broke no laws.
The mayor, who heads a national coalition of mayors advocating
stronger gun control, argues that it is necessary to bring his battle
across state lines because illegal guns from states with more lenient
rules consistently find their way onto New York City's streets.
About 90 percent of the 5,000 guns confiscated by city police last
year were from out of state, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.
An almost identical 2009 sting operation targeted seven gun shows in
Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. As a result, organizers of 35 gun shows
around the country — including the 1,300-table Big Reno Show in Nevada
— have agreed to end all no-background-check sales, Bloomberg said.
In 2006, more city-hired undercover investigators posed as gun buyers
making so-called straw purchases in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South
Carolina and Virginia, with one person filling out the paperwork for
another person's gun purchase.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Monday that he could not comment on
whether the agency was investigating the city's findings.
___
Associated Press writer Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix contributed to
this report.
stupidity....you guys work so hard to get the new laws you bitch so
much about.
And you wonder why little children point and laugh at you.
You are your own worst enemy.
Now let the whining and bitching begin......
Laugh..laugh..laugh..
TMT
NYC mayor conducts gun-sale sting in Arizona
By SAMANTHA GROSS, Associated Press Samantha Gross, Associated Press
Mon Jan 31, 9:22 pm ET
NEW YORK – Weeks after the shooting in Tucson, sellers at an Arizona
gun show allowed undercover investigators hired by New York City to
buy semiautomatic pistols even after they said they probably couldn't
pass a background check, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Monday.
"After Tucson, you would think that people, particularly at a gun show
in Arizona, would have been much more careful in enforcing the law,"
he said. "That unfortunately in some cases wasn't the case."
Bloomberg has authorized similar sting operations around the country
as part of a push for tougher federal laws to help keep guns off the
streets of New York.
But in the sensitive aftermath of the shooting Jan. 8 that killed six
people and critically wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the mayor was
questioned about the time and place of his hidden-camera
investigation, a $100,000 operation conducted almost clear across the
country.
"Let me get this straight: From New York City, they are going to send
people to Arizona to look into this?" said state Sen. Ron Gould, a
Republican. "They might take a look a little closer to home if they
are concerned about guns getting in their state."
Meanwhile, Democratic Arizona state Sen. Steve Gallardo introduced a
bill Monday to require background checks for all sales at gun shows.
The operators of the Phoenix gun show where the investigators made
their buys on Jan. 23 issued a statement Monday saying all exhibitors
at its shows are required to follow state and federal gun laws.
"Mayor Bloomberg and his `task force' have no legal authority in the
state of Arizona, or in any other place in America except New York
City," said the statement from the Crossroads of the West Gun Shows.
"These forays into America's heartland committing blatant acts to
entrap otherwise innocent gun owners is an unlawful scheme that is
created by Bloomberg's task force."
The private investigators, wearing concealed video cameras, were sold
the 9 mm guns even after telling two separate sellers they probably
couldn't pass background checks.
While many sellers at gun shows are not required under federal law to
perform background checks, it is illegal for them to sell a weapon if
they have reason to believe the buyer wouldn't be able to pass one,
the mayor said.
The mayor said that without mandatory background checks, gun shows had
become "magnets for criminals," and called for federal action to close
what he said were dangerous loopholes in the law. Last week, Sen.
Frank Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposed federal legislation that would
require background checks for all firearm purchases at gun shows.
Jim Cavanaugh, a retired agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco,
Firearms and Explosives, where he was in charge of the Nashville
division, said he didn't believe the sales described by the mayor
were, in fact, illegal.
"It's not a prosecutable offense" because the purchasers were not
truly felons, minors or drug abusers and because they didn't tell the
sellers definitively that they were, Cavanaugh said. As for Bloomberg,
he said, "ATF has asked him not to do it and to please coordinate with
ATF if he thinks a violation is occurring."
In 2007, the U.S. Justice Department warned in a letter to City Hall
that such civilian operations risk "legal liabilities" and can
"unintentionally interrupt or jeopardize ongoing criminal
investigations."
The mayor conceded that most illegal guns in New York City are coming
from states along the East Coast, but said the rampage in Tucson would
bring national attention to the investigation.
The city-hired investigators also obtained a Glock gun and 33-round
extended magazine similar to those authorities have said Jared
Loughner used to open fire as Giffords met with constituents outside a
supermarket.
Investigators have said Loughner legally purchased his ammunition the
morning of the attack. He had cleared a federal background check and
legally bought a Glock 19 at a big-box sporting goods store two months
earlier.
Bloomberg's office said all the investigators were Arizona residents
and broke no laws.
The mayor, who heads a national coalition of mayors advocating
stronger gun control, argues that it is necessary to bring his battle
across state lines because illegal guns from states with more lenient
rules consistently find their way onto New York City's streets.
About 90 percent of the 5,000 guns confiscated by city police last
year were from out of state, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly said.
An almost identical 2009 sting operation targeted seven gun shows in
Tennessee, Ohio and Nevada. As a result, organizers of 35 gun shows
around the country — including the 1,300-table Big Reno Show in Nevada
— have agreed to end all no-background-check sales, Bloomberg said.
In 2006, more city-hired undercover investigators posed as gun buyers
making so-called straw purchases in Georgia, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South
Carolina and Virginia, with one person filling out the paperwork for
another person's gun purchase.
ATF spokesman Drew Wade said Monday that he could not comment on
whether the agency was investigating the city's findings.
___
Associated Press writer Jacques Billeaud in Phoenix contributed to
this report.
