Discussion:
So, what defines a "settler"?
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Springer
2005-09-17 11:03:50 UTC
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In the recent bruha over removal of Jews from select areas, they kept
referring to them as "settlers". Jews had been in this area for what, 30
years or so? What exactly is the difference between a "settler" and a
"resident"?
El Paredon
2005-09-17 14:59:13 UTC
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That is an easy one! Resident usually obtains the permission from the
owner of the land before he starts building his palaces. Settler just
steals the land!
L Alpert
2005-09-17 16:12:36 UTC
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Post by Springer
In the recent bruha over removal of Jews from select areas, they kept
referring to them as "settlers". Jews had been in this area for
what, 30 years or so? What exactly is the difference between a
"settler" and a "resident"?
The settlers turn the area turned the dry arid land to a prosperous
community through science and technology, while the new residents will put
nothing into the land and get nothing in return like they have been for many
centuries waiting for Allah to free them, and then they will want more
because all that they have has turned to dry arid shit.
El Paredon
2005-09-17 16:24:03 UTC
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hEY ALPERT! IS THAT BECAUSE jEWS ARE SO SUPERSMART, OR BECAUSE THEY
HAVE THE UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF CASH COMING FROM THE US TAXPAYER?
L Alpert
2005-09-18 00:50:45 UTC
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Post by El Paredon
hEY ALPERT! IS THAT BECAUSE jEWS ARE SO SUPERSMART, OR BECAUSE THEY
HAVE THE UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF CASH COMING FROM THE US TAXPAYER?
The reasons matter not, but the mode of operation is the key. Palestinians
will turn what was once an area that could thrive irregardless of the poor
environment. Once that happens, they will want more land that has been
cultivated by others, and will be more than willing to kill for it.
El Conquistador
2005-09-18 02:00:26 UTC
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Post by L Alpert
Post by El Paredon
hEY ALPERT! IS THAT BECAUSE jEWS ARE SO SUPERSMART, OR BECAUSE THEY
HAVE THE UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF CASH COMING FROM THE US TAXPAYER?
The reasons matter not, but the mode of operation is the key.
Palestinians will turn what was once an area
Seems to me you have no idea what the hell you are blubbering about. Ever
been to the Palestinian community in Chicago, Detroit or St. Louis? of
course not! Might be news for you but Palestinians are one of the most
prosperous and well educated ethnic group in United States!
L Alpert
2005-09-18 17:04:52 UTC
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Post by El Conquistador
Post by L Alpert
Post by El Paredon
hEY ALPERT! IS THAT BECAUSE jEWS ARE SO SUPERSMART, OR BECAUSE THEY
HAVE THE UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF CASH COMING FROM THE US TAXPAYER?
The reasons matter not, but the mode of operation is the key.
Palestinians will turn what was once an area
Seems to me you have no idea what the hell you are blubbering about.
Ever been to the Palestinian community in Chicago, Detroit or St.
Louis? of course not! Might be news for you but Palestinians are one
of the most prosperous and well educated ethnic group in United
States!
I have been to Gaza, and have seen what it once was versus what it is today.
It will surely revert back to it's original form.

The only reason the areas you speak of are so prosperous is due to the help
and influence of being in America, the country you despise.
El Conquistador
2005-09-18 19:11:53 UTC
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Post by L Alpert
Post by El Conquistador
Post by L Alpert
Post by El Paredon
hEY ALPERT! IS THAT BECAUSE jEWS ARE SO SUPERSMART, OR BECAUSE THEY
HAVE THE UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF CASH COMING FROM THE US TAXPAYER?
The reasons matter not, but the mode of operation is the key.
Palestinians will turn what was once an area
Seems to me you have no idea what the hell you are blubbering about.
Ever been to the Palestinian community in Chicago, Detroit or St.
Louis? of course not! Might be news for you but Palestinians are one
of the most prosperous and well educated ethnic group in United
States!
I have been to Gaza, and have seen what it once was versus what it is
today. It will surely revert back to it's original form.
Gaza has been under the fascist rule of Israel for almost 40 years, 10,000
homes have been bulldozed by jewish state thousands of children have been
slaughtered, and you want them to have the opportunity to learn like the
Zionist kids receiving trillion dollars! What an idiot!
Post by L Alpert
The only reason the areas you speak of are so prosperous is due to the
help and influence of being in America, the country you despise.
I DESPISE GEORGE BUSH AND SWINE LIKE YOU NOT AMERICA!

ONLY NAZIS TRIED TO PORTRAY THEMSELVES AS SUPERIOR TO ANYONE ELSE! ARE YOU
FUCKING NAZI?
L Alpert
2005-09-18 20:02:59 UTC
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Post by El Conquistador
Post by L Alpert
Post by El Conquistador
Post by L Alpert
Post by El Paredon
hEY ALPERT! IS THAT BECAUSE jEWS ARE SO SUPERSMART, OR BECAUSE
THEY HAVE THE UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF CASH COMING FROM THE US
TAXPAYER?
The reasons matter not, but the mode of operation is the key.
Palestinians will turn what was once an area
Seems to me you have no idea what the hell you are blubbering about.
Ever been to the Palestinian community in Chicago, Detroit or St.
Louis? of course not! Might be news for you but Palestinians are one
of the most prosperous and well educated ethnic group in United
States!
I have been to Gaza, and have seen what it once was versus what it is
today. It will surely revert back to it's original form.
Gaza has been under the fascist rule of Israel for almost 40 years,
10,000 homes have been bulldozed by jewish state thousands of
children have been slaughtered, and you want them to have the
opportunity to learn like the Zionist kids receiving trillion
dollars! What an idiot!
Post by L Alpert
The only reason the areas you speak of are so prosperous is due to
the help and influence of being in America, the country you despise.
I DESPISE GEORGE BUSH AND SWINE LIKE YOU NOT AMERICA!
ONLY NAZIS TRIED TO PORTRAY THEMSELVES AS SUPERIOR TO ANYONE ELSE!
ARE YOU FUCKING NAZI?
No one is saying that one is better than another, but rather, one
environment is conducive to open thought and advancement while the other is
not.

Obviously, you have not read the content and what one would consider main
operatives for those that are in control of any area. One group will make
the area habitable in spite of it's corrosive nature, while the other will
let the environment control them, playing the victim role.

It all has to do with drive to succeed and the willingness of the captive
society to accept open thought and advancement.
i***@yahoo.com
2005-09-17 17:16:40 UTC
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The term "settler" in the case of the occupied territories of the West
Bank and Gaza is an Orwellian euphemism for 'illegal invader.' If a
gang of thugs invade your home and steal it from you, are they
"settlers" or are they criminals? In the eyes of the law, both
domestic and international, they are criminals and deadly force is
allowed by the legal home owner to expel them. Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case. That is the situation the Palestinians
have found themselves in, yet we brand them as "terrorists" for
defending their own legal homes and families. The USA dropped two
atomic bombs on Japan for attacking Pearl Harbor. Just imagine what we
would have done to them if they had invaded California. Those who
criticize Palestinians for defending their lands are hypocrites and
should never be trusted.

The US Government and our media has been run by the cult of Zionism for
over 45 years and the American people have been brainwashed to believe
that the Jews are a totally innocent people who can do no wrong.
Nothing could be further from the truth. Jews have destroyed
legitimate democracy in the USA and AIPAC, the Israel America Public
Affairs Committee, effectively runs Washington as well as acting as a
spy organization for Israel. Currently several AIPAC leaders are under
indictment for spying on the USA and the media has underreported this
and the separate Pentagon Israeli spy scandal as usual. Remember when
Bill Clinton screwed around with Monica Lewinsky? He told her on the
phone to be careful because a foreign power had his White House phone
tapped. That foreign power was Israel! The MOSSAD knew Clinton was
cheating on Hilary before Matt Drudge did.

The cult of Zionism in America is made up of about 90% of the Jewish
population and about 10% of the American population that are mainly
Christian fanatics that believe in all sorts of crazy ideas, like the
resurrection of Jesus somehow coming through events in Israel, or
through a big war in the Middle East. These nut cases now control our
government, and Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld are part of this insane
cult. They are called "neoconservatives," which effectively means
Israeli agents. They represent the interests of Israel to the American
people rather than representing the interests of the American people to
Israel. They do not care if our polices based on Zionism makes us
hated all over the world, even by the Europeans, or that those policies
cost our economy literally trillions of dollars and account for more
than half of our National Debt.

Bush does not care much about the welfare of American families, only
the welfare of Jewish families in sacred Israel, which the
neoconservatives worship as God. Their effective motto is ONE NATION
UNDER ZIONISM, and that has been what America has been since good old
Dwight Ike Eisenhower, the last loyal American president we had, forced
the Israelis to withdraw from their surprise invasion of Egypt back in
1956. Good old Ike could not be bought off or intimidated by the
Israeli lobby. All American presidents since Ike have been bought off
/intimidated and both Hilary Clinton and Bill Frist are now in a
contest to see who can lick Jewish feet the cleanest so they too can
take the reins of political power while selling out their own nation to
a devious foreign power. It is enough to make you sick and the rest of
the world knows more about how America is really run than the
brainwashed Americans cattle themselves!

IB
Post by Springer
In the recent bruha over removal of Jews from select areas, they kept
referring to them as "settlers". Jews had been in this area for what, 30
years or so? What exactly is the difference between a "settler" and a
"resident"?
øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
2005-09-17 22:23:05 UTC
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What an ignorant fuck you are.

One there are no occupied territories, nor were there or are there any
illegal invaders. They are legal according to domestic and international
law -- I suggest you fucking get an education on the subject before you
begin to write.

The rest of your shite is not even worth replying to!


<***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
: The term "settler" in the case of the occupied territories of the West
: Bank and Gaza is an Orwellian euphemism for 'illegal invader.' If a
: gang of thugs invade your home and steal it from you, are they
: "settlers" or are they criminals? In the eyes of the law, both
: domestic and international, they are criminals and deadly force is
: allowed by the legal home owner to expel them.
El Conquistador
2005-09-18 14:21:24 UTC
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Post by øéòéï áøúåïý/Riain Barton
What an ignorant fuck you are.
One there are no occupied territories, nor were there or are there any
illegal invaders. They are legal according to domestic and international
law --
Sure they are! Russian occupation of Hungary was also "legal" until they got
their arse kicked out!
i***@yahoo.com
2005-09-18 20:21:03 UTC
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Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in Israel.
General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948

"Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live
at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the
earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the
property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to
property which, under principles of international law or in equity,
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Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal.
Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967

Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied in
the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty,
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area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized
boundaries free from threats or acts of force."

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Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979

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since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction
to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle
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General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974

Affirms "the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in
Palestine...to self-determination without external interference" and
"to national independence and sovereignty."

Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State
Security Council Resolution 1397, March 12, 2002

Affirms "a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine,
live side by side within secure and recognized borders."

Also see:

UN General Assembly Resolution 181 - the 1947 Partition plan of
Palestine and the creation of Israel.

International Humanitarian Law: the Geneva Conventions - 150 years of
international designated protection of civilians during wartime and
Israel's explicit violations.

History of the Palestinian Problem - from the Division for Palestinian
Rights, United Nations

Countless More UN Resolutions on Israel - 1955-1992

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Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid.
Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed fifty-six
people.
Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in
Jerusalem.
Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.
Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack
on Syria.
Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West
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Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian
refugees.
Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in
Jordan.
Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military parade
in Jerusalem.
Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem in
defiance of Resolution 250.
Resolution 252: declares invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as
Jewish capital.
Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant violation.

Resolution 259: deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to probe
occupation.
Resolution 262: condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport.
Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.
Resolution 267: censures Israel for administrative acts to change the
status of Jerusalem.
Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in southern
Lebanon.
Resolution 271: condemns Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on
Jerusalem.
Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.
Resolution 280: condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
Resolution 298: deplores Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem.
Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.
Resolution 317: deplores Israel's refusal to release.
Resolution 332: condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.
Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.
Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.
Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
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Lebanon.
Resolution 444: deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN
peacekeeping forces.
Resolution 446: determines that Israeli settlements are a serious
obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva
Convention
Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.
Resolution 452: calls on Israel to cease building settlements in
occupied territories.
Resolution 465: deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist its settlements program.
Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in
Lebanon.
Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two
Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.
Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the
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Resolution 471: expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by
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Resolution 476: reiterates that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are null
and void.
Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim
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Resolution 484: declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two
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Resolution 487: strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility.
Resolution 497: decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights
is null and void and demands that Israel rescinds its decision
forthwith.
Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.
Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and
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Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and
unconditionally from Lebanon.
Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow
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Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and
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Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in
Lebanon.
Resolution 520: condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut.
Resolution 573: condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in
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Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its
forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.
Resolution 592: strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students
at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.
Resolution 605: strongly deplores Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians.
Resolution 607: calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and strongly
requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
Resolution 608: deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United
Nations and deported Palestinian civilians.
Resolution 636: deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian
civilians.
Resolution 641: deplores Israel's continuing deportation of
Palestinians.
Resolution 672: condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at
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Resolution 673: deplores Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
Nations.
Resolution 681: deplores Israel's resumption of the deportation of
Palestinians.
Resolution 694: deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls
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Resolution 726: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of Palestinians.

Resolution 799: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of 413
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<***@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:***@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
: http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html
:
: Jews Against the Occupation
:
: UN Resolutions
:
: Palestinian Refugees have the right to return to their homes in
Israel.
: General Assembly Resolution 194, Dec. 11, 1948
:
: "Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live
: at peace with their neighbors should be permitted to do so at the
: earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for
the
: property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to
: property which, under principles of international law or in equity,
: should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible."
:
: Israel's occupation of Palestine is Illegal.
: Security Council Resolution 242, Nov. 22, 1967
:
: Calls for the withdrawal of Israeli forces from territories occupied
in
: the war that year and "the acknowledgment of the sovereignty,
: territorial integrity and political independence of every state in the
: area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized
: boundaries free from threats or acts of force."
:
: Israel's settlements in Palestine are Illegal.
: Security Council Resolution 446, March 22, 1979
:
: "Determines that the policy and practices of Israel in establishing
: settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied
: since 1967 have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction
: to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle
: East."
:
: Palestinian have the right to Self-Determination.
: General Assembly Resolution 3236, November 22, 1974
:
: Affirms "the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in
: Palestine...to self-determination without external interference" and
: "to national independence and sovereignty."
:
: Reaffirmation of a Palestinian State
: Security Council Resolution 1397, March 12, 2002
:
: Affirms "a vision of a region where two states, Israel and Palestine,
: live side by side within secure and recognized borders."
:
: Also see:
:
: UN General Assembly Resolution 181 - the 1947 Partition plan of
: Palestine and the creation of Israel.
:
: International Humanitarian Law: the Geneva Conventions - 150 years of
: international designated protection of civilians during wartime and
: Israel's explicit violations.
:
: History of the Palestinian Problem - from the Division for Palestinian
: Rights, United Nations
:
: Countless More UN Resolutions on Israel - 1955-1992
:
: More UN Resolutions on Israel, 1955-1992
:
: Resolution 106: condemns Israel for Gaza raid.
: Resolution 111: condemns Israel for raid on Syria that killed
fifty-six
: people.
: Resolution 127: recommends Israel suspend its no-man's zone' in
: Jerusalem.
: Resolution 162: urges Israel to comply with UN decisions.
: Resolution 171: determines flagrant violations by Israel in its attack
: on Syria.
: Resolution 228: censures Israel for its attack on Samu in the West
: Bank, then under Jordanian control.
: Resolution 237: urges Israel to allow return of new 1967 Palestinian
: refugees.
: Resolution 248: condemns Israel for its massive attack on Karameh in
: Jordan.
: Resolution 250: calls on Israel to refrain from holding military
parade
: in Jerusalem.
: Resolution 251: deeply deplores Israeli military parade in Jerusalem
in
: defiance of Resolution 250.
: Resolution 252: declares invalid Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem as
: Jewish capital.
: Resolution 256: condemns Israeli raids on Jordan as flagrant
violation.
:
: Resolution 259: deplores Israel's refusal to accept UN mission to
probe
: occupation.
: Resolution 262: condemns Israel for attack on Beirut airport.
: Resolution 265: condemns Israel for air attacks for Salt in Jordan.
: Resolution 267: censures Israel for administrative acts to change the
: status of Jerusalem.
: Resolution 270: condemns Israel for air attacks on villages in
southern
: Lebanon.
: Resolution 271: condemns Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions on
: Jerusalem.
: Resolution 279: demands withdrawal of Israeli forces from Lebanon.
: Resolution 280: condemns Israeli's attacks against Lebanon.
: Resolution 285: demands immediate Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
: Resolution 298: deplores Israel's changing of the status of Jerusalem.
: Resolution 313: demands that Israel stop attacks against Lebanon.
: Resolution 316: condemns Israel for repeated attacks on Lebanon.
: Resolution 317: deplores Israel's refusal to release.
: Resolution 332: condemns Israel's repeated attacks against Lebanon.
: Resolution 337: condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's sovereignty.
: Resolution 347: condemns Israeli attacks on Lebanon.
: Resolution 425: calls on Israel to withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
: Resolution 427: calls on Israel to complete its withdrawal from
: Lebanon.
: Resolution 444: deplores Israel's lack of cooperation with UN
: peacekeeping forces.
: Resolution 446: determines that Israeli settlements are a serious
: obstruction to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva
: Convention
: Resolution 450: calls on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon.
: Resolution 452: calls on Israel to cease building settlements in
: occupied territories.
: Resolution 465: deplores Israel's settlements and asks all member
: states not to assist its settlements program.
: Resolution 467: strongly deplores Israel's military intervention in
: Lebanon.
: Resolution 468: calls on Israel to rescind illegal expulsions of two
: Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their return.
: Resolution 469: strongly deplores Israel's failure to observe the
: council's order not to deport Palestinians.
: Resolution 471: expresses deep concern at Israel's failure to abide by
: the Fourth Geneva Convention.
: Resolution 476: reiterates that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are null
: and void.
: Resolution 478: censures (Israel) in the strongest terms for its claim
: to Jerusalem in its Basic Law.
: Resolution 484: declares it imperative that Israel re-admit two
: deported Palestinian mayors.
: Resolution 487: strongly condemns Israel for its attack on Iraq's
: nuclear facility.
: Resolution 497: decides that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
: Heights
: is null and void and demands that Israel rescinds its decision
: forthwith.
: Resolution 498: calls on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon.
: Resolution 501: calls on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon and
: withdraw its troops.
: Resolution 509: demands that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith and
: unconditionally from Lebanon.
: Resolution 515: demands that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and allow
: food supplies to be brought in.
: Resolution 517: censures Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions and
: demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon.
: Resolution 518: demands that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces in
: Lebanon.
: Resolution 520: condemns Israel's attack into West Beirut.
: Resolution 573: condemns Israel vigorously for bombing Tunisia in
: attack on PLO headquarters.
: Resolution 587: takes note of previous calls on Israel to withdraw its
: forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw.
: Resolution 592: strongly deplores the killing of Palestinian students
: at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops.
: Resolution 605: strongly deplores Israel's policies and practices
: denying the human rights of Palestinians.
: Resolution 607: calls on Israel not to deport Palestinians and
strongly
: requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention.
: Resolution 608: deeply regrets that Israel has defied the United
: Nations and deported Palestinian civilians.
: Resolution 636: deeply regrets Israeli deportation of Palestinian
: civilians.
: Resolution 641: deplores Israel's continuing deportation of
: Palestinians.
: Resolution 672: condemns Israel for violence against Palestinians at
: the Haram Al-Sharif/Temple Mount.
: Resolution 673: deplores Israel's refusal to cooperate with the United
: Nations.
: Resolution 681: deplores Israel's resumption of the deportation of
: Palestinians.
: Resolution 694: deplores Israel's deportation of Palestinians and
calls
: on it to ensure their safe and immediate return.
: Resolution 726: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of
Palestinians.
:
: Resolution 799: strongly condemns Israel's deportation of 413
: Palestinians and calls for their immediate return.
:
Springer
2005-09-18 01:57:27 UTC
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Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?

Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
i***@yahoo.com
2005-09-18 02:13:03 UTC
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Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
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Palestinians are a real people and Palestine does exist, despite the
propaganda war that ugly Zionists and ugly Americans have fought
against them for so many decades. The UN and official US Government
policy states that the West Bank and Gaza are part of Palestine and
Israel's illegal invasion and occupation is wrong. Israel has
flourished only because of massive amounts of US foreign aid, extorted
from American families through AIPAC, the America Israel Public Affairs
Committee.

Our founding fathers warned us against foreign subversion of our
government and that is exactly what has happened. I can see from the
posts here that there is little understanding or adult fairness and
compassion for the situation. Most Jews want the world to forget about
Palestine and most want to be worshipped as the Gods of the universe.
They want a license to kill, steal, and destroy because they are chosen
by God. In fact they were only chosen by their own egos and greed, and
their American Christian supporters are no better than they are.
Israel will get nuked one day unless Israel retreats to its pre 1967
borders as per many UN resolutions and international law. If Israel
does not, Israel deserves to be destroyed just as Hitler deserved to be
destroyed. There is little difference between Zionism and Hitler's
quest for "breathing space" for his Aryan super-race. The deceit and
ugliness of the Zionist cult is horrific and unless Jews wake up and
start treating Palestinians as human beings, then Jews will suffer even
more than they have in the past. What goes around comes around and the
days of Jewish rule of America will come to an end sooner or later.

IB
Springer
2005-09-18 10:52:04 UTC
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Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
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Palestinians are a real people and Palestine does exist,
You didn't address the first point at all

(1)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Post by Springer
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Simply stating "Palestinians are a real people" which is the closest you
came to addressing the second point

(2)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
doesn't answer it.

To state that "Palestinians are the legal homeowners" presumes that there
are in fact actually a group called "Palestinians". If you believe this,
then surely you can cite references, point toward some sort of historical
documentation - i.e. what is the basis for this claim besides someone told
you so. Secondly, assuming you can do this, you would similarly need to
demonstrate the basis of their "legal ownership" of the land in question.

Merely offering a rambling tirade against Jews/Israel, the U.S., stupid
Americans, etc. etc. accomplishes neither of the above goals. I look forward
to a focused, factual answer.

Further, if you believe the mass media are somehow Jew controlled and
inherently stacked against those you call Palestinians, it seems odd that
they're referred to as "Palestinians". If there was some subversive Jewish
stranglehold on the media who wished to undermine them as a group, it seems
they would be consistenly be called something else.
El Conquistador
2005-09-18 14:26:23 UTC
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Post by Springer
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
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Palestinians are a real people and Palestine does exist,
You didn't address the first point at all
(1)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Post by Springer
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Simply stating "Palestinians are a real people" which is the closest you
came to addressing the second point
(2)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
doesn't answer it.
To state that "Palestinians are the legal homeowners" presumes that there
are in fact actually a group called "Palestinians". If you believe this,
then surely you can cite references, point toward some sort of historical
documentation
Why? What kind of "documentation" legalizes your presence in USA or Britain
or anywhere else for that matter?
L Alpert
2005-09-18 17:02:46 UTC
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Post by i***@yahoo.com
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
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Palestinians are a real people and Palestine does exist,
You didn't address the first point at all
(1)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Post by Springer
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Simply stating "Palestinians are a real people" which is the closest
you came to addressing the second point
(2)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
doesn't answer it.
To state that "Palestinians are the legal homeowners" presumes that
there are in fact actually a group called "Palestinians". If you
believe this, then surely you can cite references, point toward some
sort of historical documentation
Why? What kind of "documentation" legalizes your presence in USA or
Britain or anywhere else for that matter?
A birth certificate that sates where he was born in some incorporated area.
El Conquistador
2005-09-18 19:13:11 UTC
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Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
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Palestinians are a real people and Palestine does exist,
You didn't address the first point at all
(1)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Post by Springer
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Simply stating "Palestinians are a real people" which is the closest
you came to addressing the second point
(2)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
doesn't answer it.
To state that "Palestinians are the legal homeowners" presumes that
there are in fact actually a group called "Palestinians". If you
believe this, then surely you can cite references, point toward some
sort of historical documentation
Why? What kind of "documentation" legalizes your presence in USA or
Britain or anywhere else for that matter?
A birth certificate that sates where he was born in some incorporated area.
IN WHICH CASE YOU SHOULD NOT BE KISSING JEW ARSE 24/7
L Alpert
2005-09-18 20:03:45 UTC
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Post by Springer
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
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Palestinians are a real people and Palestine does exist,
You didn't address the first point at all
(1)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Post by Springer
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Simply stating "Palestinians are a real people" which is the
closest you came to addressing the second point
(2)
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
doesn't answer it.
To state that "Palestinians are the legal homeowners" presumes that
there are in fact actually a group called "Palestinians". If you
believe this, then surely you can cite references, point toward
some sort of historical documentation
Why? What kind of "documentation" legalizes your presence in USA or
Britain or anywhere else for that matter?
A birth certificate that sates where he was born in some incorporated area.
IN WHICH CASE YOU SHOULD NOT BE KISSING JEW ARSE 24/7
Now that was a thoughtful conclusion.
Springer
2005-09-20 11:53:26 UTC
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Post by i***@yahoo.com
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
So, it seems you're unable to back up your ranting with anything resembling
facts.
f***@verizon.net
2005-09-20 14:29:23 UTC
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Post by Springer
Post by i***@yahoo.com
Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
So, it seems you're unable to back up your ranting with anything resembling
facts.
They never can
&, in answer to the header question: "A settler is a Jew. If the
person is an Arab or a Muslim, they are called "residents"."
The hypocrisy sickens.

Susan

El Conquistador
2005-09-18 14:24:23 UTC
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Palestinians are the
legal home owners in this case.
What do you base this on?
Palestinians have been living in Palestine for thousands of years. Palestine
and Palestinians are mentioned in Pax Romana and on ancient Roman maps. On
the other hand Russian jews simply are Russians with no right whatsoever in
Palestine.
Post by Springer
Also curious if you can explain why they're called Palestinians?
For the same reason that Jews are called jews!
f***@verizon.net
2005-09-18 02:26:23 UTC
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The term "settler" in the case of the occupied territories of the West
Bank and Gaza is an Orwellian euphemism for 'illegal invader.'
[snip rest of lies]

No, the term "Palestinian" is the euphemism for that.

Susan
El Conquistador
2005-09-18 03:09:47 UTC
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The term "settler" in the case of the occupied territories of the West
Bank and Gaza is an Orwellian euphemism for 'illegal invader.'
[snip rest of lies]
No, the term "Palestinian" is the euphemism for that.
Susan
Sure! Palestine is phantom and so are the Palestinians, and Russian
israelites are true owners of Palestine! Is that right?
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