On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 03:34:18 -0700, "Dr. Barry Worthington"
<***@abertay.ac.uk> wrote something wonderfully witty:
Post by Dr. Barry Worthington Post by The Wolf With the Red Roses Post by Dr. Barry Worthington
You really haven't considered any of this, have you?
I've concerned all of it, that is why I said it was "financially
So the right to be told of the medical state of a gay partner injured
in an accident or seriously ill is 'financial' in nature? Or the human
desire to be buried next to your gay lover?
That is an extremely old wives tale that has gone out of practice in
most major hospitals almost entirely. Pretty much anyone with an
interest can find out about the medical state of a person in a
hospital today. That includes visiting them while their hospitalized.
I've never ever had a problem finding out the status of a hospitalized
friend or even had trouble visiting them, even in ICU, regardless of
their gender or our family relationship. It ain't the 50's anymore.
Post by Dr. Barry Worthington Post by The Wolf With the Red Roses
Other then the entitlement to social benefits, which I don't
think anyone is "Entitled" to, any & all of the issues you addressed
can be taken care of with a good lawyer.
Why should that be necessary? It wouldn't be in the case of a
Again, no one (Gay, Straight, or Bent) from my perspective has any
"Right" to stick their hand in the collective till so you simply can't
make the argument to me that anyone should be allowed to regardless of
their sexual preference or even choice of Marriage Partner. Since I
guess two Straight Guys could get Married for no other reason then
access to benefits or their ability to stick their hand into the
public till their is no reason to acknowledge it. Since the argument
of access to Social Benefits doesn't hold water for me from any
perspective I am all for the equality of nobody gets jackshit from the
public coffers because of a relationship to somebody else.
Now if a "Gay" couple have an adopted child, that child would become
eligible for Survivor benefits from Social Security just as the child
from any straight union, natural born or adopted.
Post by Dr. Barry Worthington
Let me ask you a question. If a gay couple wish to marry using a civil
ceremony, why is it any of your business? I mean, how will it affect
Personally, I could care less if they stand naked in their backyard &
howl at the moon. After all the true purpose of Marriage or a Civil
Union is to make the commitment to each, in front of their friends,
family & the deity of their choice. It is at its root the public
proclamation of devotion to another and has nothing to do with
I know many people who consider themselves to be married and have no
stinkin state authorized piece of paper. If any two, or even three,
four or seven people are devoted to each other and create a family
unit of their choice, that is their business and should require no
higher sanctioning authority then between them their friends & family
& the deity of their choice. If they want to ensure that inheritance
desires are followed they should get a good lawyer.
The issue of who can marry whom (to include barnyard animals) has
absolutely nothing to do with business of running this country &
therefore has no business up for discussion & debate at the National
level, especially when we have so many more pressing issues facing us
as a country. I also happen to feel the exact same way about Abortion
as well, with it not being an issue worthy of the expenditure of time,
money & effort at the National level as it has nothing to do with the
business of running the country.
However, being a big states rights guy, I concede that I think it is
up to each individual state (which is the one the grants the Marriage
License after all) anyhow to determine who is eligible to Marry whom.
Therefore again not making it an issue worthy of National Debate or
the expenditure of resources.
Now if you are willing to defend Gay Marriage, are you willing to
defend Polygamy & Incestous ones as well? What about Barnyard animals
if you can get their consent? Where does it stop or do we just become
pure hedonists in the search of whatever pleasure we personally feel
we require. Even if that is the case why does the Federal level of
our government need to get involved?
"Some try to tell me, thoughts they cannot defend,
Just what you want to be, you will be in the end." -- Moody Blues